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  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,848
    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    It has to be odds on that they’ll try to impose some kind of restrictions this winter.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,299
    PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,209
    Scott_xP said:
    The driver shortage is getting critical. A quote from a retail business who has seen its entire supply cut off until further notice. Although the issue appears to be structural, this government has allowed it to become a crisis, not least because of its "Fuck Business" approach and refusal to engage with business interests.

    https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/wholesalers/driver-shortage-crisis-brakes-axes-supply-to-customers-and-suppliers-halt-deliveries/657419.article
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,614
    Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,883
    Case growth rate down quite significantly.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,554
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    No grievance too trivial:

    TESCO has been accused of pouring “salt in the wounds” of Scottish football fans after playing an English supporters’ anthem from the store tannoy.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19424576.tesco-rubs-salt-wounds-scotland-football-fans-english-anthem/

    Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years - now full of cheap irritating songs (even if they annoy a couple of prickly people from Glasgow in this case) wheras once they fascinating to hear which underling employee needed to report to the managers office for a good telling off (or maybe something else if Mike Hancock was in charge). Then you would see some poor downtrodden worker scuttle off embarrassed past the aisles of beans and whisper to them "good luck mate "
    ‘Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years’ is Peak PB in a brilliant way I don’t understand

    I love, for instance, the implication that for a long while ‘supermarket tannoys’ remained consistently and surprisingly excellent, like the paintings of the Dutch Golden Age
    I can't remember a time when they weren't irritating. A lot of people probably don't go to supermarkets these days.
    My son used to work at a supermarket alongside a Mr Seaman and a Miss Swallow.
    The tannoy announcer had fun with that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,885
    jonny83 said:

    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    I would have been more worried if it was truly 'irreversible'. Need to keep as many options open as possible and we don't know what position we are going to be in a few months time.

    Hopefully everything goes smoothly through the rest of summer and into autumn so that our winter situation is a good one to be in but we just don't know right now.

    Only a brain dead government would rule anything out right now.

    It would be meaningless anyway to say it was irreversible and pull the legislation. It could be put back to the Commons within a very short time in an emergency. Starmer will vote it through whatever backbench tories think.

    I am resigned to lockdown this winter to be honest. Focusing on enjoying this summer.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,893

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    No grievance too trivial:

    TESCO has been accused of pouring “salt in the wounds” of Scottish football fans after playing an English supporters’ anthem from the store tannoy.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19424576.tesco-rubs-salt-wounds-scotland-football-fans-english-anthem/

    Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years - now full of cheap irritating songs (even if they annoy a couple of prickly people from Glasgow in this case) wheras once they fascinating to hear which underling employee needed to report to the managers office for a good telling off (or maybe something else if Mike Hancock was in charge). Then you would see some poor downtrodden worker scuttle off embarrassed past the aisles of beans and whisper to them "good luck mate "
    ‘Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years’ is Peak PB in a brilliant way I don’t understand

    I love, for instance, the implication that for a long while ‘supermarket tannoys’ remained consistently and surprisingly excellent, like the paintings of the Dutch Golden Age
    I can't remember a time when they weren't irritating. A lot of people probably don't go to supermarkets these days.
    My son used to work at a supermarket alongside a Mr Seaman and a Miss Swallow.
    The tannoy announcer had fun with that.
    There used to be a primary school head teacher in Aberdeen (retired many years now) who rejoiced under the name of Jack Tw&t.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    32548,33,386

    Rather less than I was fearing for a Wednesday.

    Still holding on to my call that Greater Manchester has peaked.

    While they're not massively concerning yet, the number of people in hospital continues to rise at a fair clip - and we're not seeing "down days" any more. In England, they jumped to 2,144 today - which is a doubling every three weeks.
    Without wanting to be too parochial, though, a quick canter round GM and East Lancashire's hospital trusts shows very clear signs of being at or passed the peak. This is significant because GM and East Lancs are at the forefront of this wave. If GM and East Lancs are peaking and declining, it shouldn't be too long before everyone else is.
    Hopefully.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    jonny83 said:

    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    I would have been more worried if it was truly 'irreversible'. Need to keep as many options open as possible and we don't know what position we are going to be in a few months time.

    Hopefully everything goes smoothly through the rest of summer and into autumn so that our winter situation is a good one to be in but we just don't know right now.

    Only a brain dead government would rule anything out right now.

    Yes. There could be a truly vaccine evading variant. With great transmissibility, and sufficient mutations that it takes a lot of work to retool the vaccines

    That’s the doomsday scenario. All bets off. Civilisational collapse

    It seems far fetched but who, in February 2020, would have considered the possibility that in July 2021 we’d be discussing global curfews, after 16 months of plague and 10 million dead
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,883

    Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.

    I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,505
    rcs1000 said:

    PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you

    If it's Kickstarter, the question is surely whether they'll ever be delivered ?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017
    rcs1000 said:

    PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you

    You might need a lawyer as well - they seem to offer a temporally indefinite guarantee. For a bit of electronics kit. With a battert and a LCD screen. Unless I have missed some small print.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    32548,33,386

    Rather less than I was fearing for a Wednesday.

    Still holding on to my call that Greater Manchester has peaked.

    While they're not massively concerning yet, the number of people in hospital continues to rise at a fair clip - and we're not seeing "down days" any more. In England, they jumped to 2,144 today - which is a doubling every three weeks.
    Without wanting to be too parochial, though, a quick canter round GM and East Lancashire's hospital trusts shows very clear signs of being at or passed the peak. This is significant because GM and East Lancs are at the forefront of this wave. If GM and East Lancs are peaking and declining, it shouldn't be too long before everyone else is.
    Hopefully.
    This is the key point. I think people have not adjusted to cases no longer being the most important indicator. Yes if you massively increase cases there will be some bleed through into hospitals and deaths, but nothing like the same as in 2020, or indeed in Jan/Feb 2021. Imagine if we weren't testing at all, unless you were admitted to hospital. Would it even make the news?
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,010
    Scotland, which was the worst area for case growth, has suddenly plateaued this week.
    That schools broke up a short while ago is not, I suspect, a coincidence.

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,267
    MaxPB said:

    Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.

    I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.
    88% vaccinated surely
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,010
    Meanwhile, in England, case rate growth seems to have slowed somewhat (although still growing).
    My instinct is that schools breaking up will have a far more significant effect than ever before (when we consider that they're the most unvaxxed of all, as a proportion of mixing with those susceptible to being infected, they're at an all-time high).
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,270

    jonny83 said:

    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    I would have been more worried if it was truly 'irreversible'. Need to keep as many options open as possible and we don't know what position we are going to be in a few months time.

    Hopefully everything goes smoothly through the rest of summer and into autumn so that our winter situation is a good one to be in but we just don't know right now.

    Only a brain dead government would rule anything out right now.

    It would be meaningless anyway to say it was irreversible and pull the legislation. It could be put back to the Commons within a very short time in an emergency. Starmer will vote it through whatever backbench tories think.

    I am resigned to lockdown this winter to be honest. Focusing on enjoying this summer.
    I think some measures to be reintroduced is likely in winter. Even if come Winter Covid is putting a similar sort of pressure on us as we are seeing right now with rising cases and rising hospitalisations BUT NOT overwhelming the NHS there are other factors that could result in Covid related clampdowns to make sure our Health Services do not get overwhelmed.

    Flu is the big one, from speaking to colleagues there is a real fear about Flu this winter and how Covid might make it hard to identify what flu strains we need to protect against with the jab.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,883

    MaxPB said:

    Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.

    I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.
    88% vaccinated surely
    In hospital, sorry.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,267
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.

    I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.
    88% vaccinated surely
    In hospital, sorry.
    Sorry, I misread it

    Thank you
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818

    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    It has to be odds on that they’ll try to impose some kind of restrictions this winter.
    That's why Brady won and not the No 10 candidate.

    Imposing new restrictions in the depths of winter at the same time as hitting southern tory voters for six on taxation (now inevitable) really is a very, very bad look for the tories.

    A very bad look.

    If Johnson's going to stay in thrall to the scientists and the NHS, he has some completely stinking choices coming his way. Utterly stinking. End of majority stinking. Decimation of the tory MP ranks stinking.

    Southern leafy suburb tory voters are already anticipating this. That's why they are already starting to abstain.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 1969
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031
    FF43 said:

    The driver shortage is getting critical. A quote from a retail business who has seen its entire supply cut off until further notice. Although the issue appears to be structural, this government has allowed it to become a crisis, not least because of its "Fuck Business" approach and refusal to engage with business interests.

    https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/wholesalers/driver-shortage-crisis-brakes-axes-supply-to-customers-and-suppliers-halt-deliveries/657419.article

    More empty shelves in the supermarket this morning, but now they have a notice up apologising for the Nationwide supply problems...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,768
    O/T I've found out that Shadsy is now working for Smarkets, which is good news for us.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,505
    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    You'd probably be OK with Florida...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,303
    rcs1000 said:

    PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you

    Technically- why not? Control the orientation of the liquid crystals to change the refractive index in different parts of the lens. Sounds plausible. But people get on just fine with varifocals, don't they? I'm not entirely sure what the benefit is of this over tinted glasses that have a short-sight / nothing varifocus.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,883
    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,614
    MaxPB said:

    Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.

    I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.
    If the hospitality industry is legally open, and so receives no Treasury support, but the hospitals fill up, people will get scared and stay home and all the business we spent so much money supporting for the last 18 months will go bust anyway.

    I've been very confident that the vaccines will mostly make everything fine, but these increases are higher than I was expecting.

    Maybe the only thing to do is to hope this wave will scare more people into being vaccinated.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,692
    Alternative to the penalty shootout: "Attacker Defender Goalkeeper (ADG)":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3DONfo2YXk
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,031
    The English (unsurprisingly) want England to win tonight against Denmark. The Scottish don't. The Welsh don't really care.

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 want...
    England win: 21%
    Denmark win: 38%
    Don't care: 38%

    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 want...
    England win: 34%
    Denmark win: 13%
    Don't care: 50%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/030fl6gxw3/SnapPoll_Euros_semifinal_July7.pdf https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1412796324706201607/photo/1
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    It will be infinitely worse this winter because the economic chickens will have come home to roost. Faster inflation, no furlough scheme and lovely huge increases in taxes for tory voters.

    The tory regime is like Dr Faustus. Johnson sold his soul to the socialist Mephistopheles, and now the latter wants to settle. The ultimate payment is due.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    You'd probably be OK with Florida...
    Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winter

    Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,821
    rcs1000 said:

    PB scientists: do you think these will work as advertised?

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deepoptics/32n-glasses-that-adapt-to-you

    Yes, it is a fairly well rstablished technology.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0888B29ZR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_34CSEKP1GSRAEQN6EFVA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,362
    66% of English voters unsurprisingly want England to win tonight to just 3% backing the Danes.

    38% of Scots want Denmark to win however to just 21% backing England.

    34% of Welsh voters want England to win, only 13% want the Danes to win
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1412796324706201607?s=20
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,883

    MaxPB said:

    Looks like hospital numbers are up 40% week on week. We probably need to hit the vaccine wall soon to avoid trouble.

    I'm honestly not sure what we could do about it given that 88% of people are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. Society must resume at some point.
    If the hospitality industry is legally open, and so receives no Treasury support, but the hospitals fill up, people will get scared and stay home and all the business we spent so much money supporting for the last 18 months will go bust anyway.

    I've been very confident that the vaccines will mostly make everything fine, but these increases are higher than I was expecting.

    Maybe the only thing to do is to hope this wave will scare more people into being vaccinated.
    I don't think they will. People are fed up and vaccinated. They realise that hospitals are filling up with people that aren't but the government is not being open about it.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 697
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    You'd probably be OK with Florida...
    Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winter

    Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?
    I liked Sanibel. That and Key West were my favourite bits of Florida.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
    I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerful

    ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN

    Just no

    I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,407

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    No grievance too trivial:

    TESCO has been accused of pouring “salt in the wounds” of Scottish football fans after playing an English supporters’ anthem from the store tannoy.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19424576.tesco-rubs-salt-wounds-scotland-football-fans-english-anthem/

    Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years - now full of cheap irritating songs (even if they annoy a couple of prickly people from Glasgow in this case) wheras once they fascinating to hear which underling employee needed to report to the managers office for a good telling off (or maybe something else if Mike Hancock was in charge). Then you would see some poor downtrodden worker scuttle off embarrassed past the aisles of beans and whisper to them "good luck mate "
    ‘Supermarket tannoys have gone downhill in recent years’ is Peak PB in a brilliant way I don’t understand

    I love, for instance, the implication that for a long while ‘supermarket tannoys’ remained consistently and surprisingly excellent, like the paintings of the Dutch Golden Age
    I can't remember a time when they weren't irritating. A lot of people probably don't go to supermarkets these days.
    My son used to work at a supermarket alongside a Mr Seaman and a Miss Swallow.
    The tannoy announcer had fun with that.
    At least her surname wasn't Staines.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,049
    Leon said:

    Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 1969

    Or Gary Glitter.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,017
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    You'd probably be OK with Florida...
    Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winter

    Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?
    No good. No tortoises left for your barbecues.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
    It's amazing how people pour scorn and vitriol on libertarians on the one hand and rely on them to lead the fight against authoritarianism with the other.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,362
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    You'd probably be OK with Florida...
    Yes, sanibel island. I’ll hunt for shells through the winter

    Mauritius would be ok. Boring but great food. Reunion?
    As long as you avoid the sharks
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
    I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerful

    ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN

    Just no

    I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
    Who are you relying on to lead the mutiny??

    Someone you and almost everybody else on here has given dogs abuse over the past 18 months?

    Inevitably.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748

    Leon said:

    Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 1969

    Or Gary Glitter.
    I actually saw Mr Glitter, before his fall, after his fame, drinking mojitos outside the Hotel Inglaterra in Havana, Cuba, where he liked to have ‘fun’

    I said to my friend ‘that’s Gary Glitter’ and he scoffed - and we walked on; later it turned out I was right. I could have got a feeble Daily Express scoop
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,362
    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    Covid will become like winter flu and peak each year in winter, so the government just being sensible to retain the possibility of future winter restrictions.

    We will also likely need annual top up Covid jabs as there are now winter flu jabs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
    I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerful

    ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN

    Just no

    I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
    Who are you relying on to lead the mutiny??

    Someone you and almost everybody else on here has given dogs abuse over the past 18 months?

    Inevitably.
    Roger?!
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 235
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
    I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerful

    ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN

    Just no

    I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
    I don't think I could take a repeat either. Melodramatic as it sounds, I don't think I've fully recovered mentally from the winter yet.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Trump launches class action lawsuit against Facebook/Twitter/Google.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,423
    Maffew said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
    I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerful

    ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN

    Just no

    I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
    I don't think I could take a repeat either. Melodramatic as it sounds, I don't think I've fully recovered mentally from the winter yet.
    I don't think anyone has.
    However, there are relatively few who are aware of it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,768

    NEW THREAD

  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,903
    edited July 2021
    Encouraging signs that the North West is peaking.
    Remember, a) positive tests <> cases - my view is that due to test and trace (which does do something, contrary to popular opinion), positive tests lags actual prevalence - because we go looking for cases, and do more testing where we have more positives. It's all a little cyclical.
    b) 7-day averages mean this is a lagging indicator.

    My guess therefore is that we are already past the peak in the NW, thoug hdo not yet have the data to show it.

    I give updates on the NW not because it is the best region (though it is) but because we are going through this first, so indicate where the rest of England may go.

    https://twitter.com/RP131/status/1412798234641244162/photo/1
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    HYUFD said:

    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    Covid will become like winter flu and peak each year in winter, so the government just being sensible to retain the possibility of future winter restrictions.

    We will also likely need annual top up Covid jabs as there are now winter flu jabs
    Everyone says this. And maybe that’s right because it’s what the politicians keep saying.

    But what happened to the molecular modelling which predicted that sarscov2 is headed for an evolutionary dead end, where it can’t mutate any further without being unable to latch onto ace2 receptors?

    And what of fading immunity to existing strains? Maybe we’ll see a bit of that in antibodies but I don’t think there’s enough to be too pessimistic about that, certainly not to the extent that we require authoritarian restrictions on how life is lived, with or without booster shots.

    And that’s without t-cell immunity, which that chimp Valance scoffed at earlier on in the crisis, even as studies in Asia showed strong T cell immunity to SARSCov1 over a decade after the event.

    Stop pumping the narrative that winter restrictions are an inevitably. They are not. They are the politically easy fallback if the government fails to ensure we have a sensible vaccination programme and a properly functioning healthcare system.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,748
    As if global plague and mass die-off isn’t enough, NOW THE TRAM HAS BROKEN DOWN IN PORT DE SOLLER
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,478
    HYUFD said:

    66% of English voters unsurprisingly want England to win tonight to just 3% backing the Danes.

    38% of Scots want Denmark to win however to just 21% backing England.

    34% of Welsh voters want England to win, only 13% want the Danes to win
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1412796324706201607?s=20

    I assume the 3% are angry gammons?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,514
    dixiedean said:

    Maffew said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Another fucking winter of this lockdown shitefest. Is intolerable

    Where do we go to escape? I’m just not suffering another. I’ll do myself in

    Thailand is likely off limits. Ditto Oz

    Hmmm

    I think by the time we get there the resistance to another lockdown will be massive and, tbh, with a booster programme I'd be surprised if we needed one.
    I literally could not do a repeat of lockdown 3 - 2020-21. That endless winter. It nearly broke me, I do not exaggerate. I wasn’t suicidal but I was so nihilistic i was as good as. It’s only coming here to Majorca that I’ve finally felt pretty normal, and cheerful

    ANOTHER WINTER IN LOCKDOWN

    Just no

    I don’t think I’m alone. Plenty of people who tolerated this last year could not endure more, emotionally or psychologically. There would be mutiny, as you suggest
    I don't think I could take a repeat either. Melodramatic as it sounds, I don't think I've fully recovered mentally from the winter yet.
    I don't think anyone has.
    However, there are relatively few who are aware of it.
    I'm not sure I agree. There are around 68 million people in the UK - we are ALL different. Yes for some this last winter was hell on earth, but not for all. My wife and I have been working mainly at our respective sites throughout, and have little or no social life in winter. So pretty much normal, aside of mask wearing. I don't think I need to recover from anything. Maybe I am the only one, but I doubt it.
  • If hospitals are being overrun with unvaccinated... Vaccine passports for pubs/stadiums/crowded places? If you're not willing to be vaccinated then you can't be in a place of high risk?

    Sadly when you socialise the costs of irresponsible behaviour (NHS) then you have to find other ways to prevent the behaviour (authoritarianism) or just let society (really individual men and women and families) pick up the costs of others (not right, moral hazard)
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,281
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Vietnam. I’ll go to Vietnam. Hole up in Da Nang like some alcoholic war photographer in 1969

    Or Gary Glitter.
    I actually saw Mr Glitter, before his fall, after his fame, drinking mojitos outside the Hotel Inglaterra in Havana, Cuba, where he liked to have ‘fun’

    I said to my friend ‘that’s Gary Glitter’ and he scoffed - and we walked on; later it turned out I was right. I could have got a feeble Daily Express scoop
    Actually saw GG perform, courtesy of Ken Livingstone. He headlined a free festival on the South Bank back in those halcyon days when Ken was leader of the GLC.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,362
    moonshine said:

    HYUFD said:

    maaarsh said:

    https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1412787809082032138

    Told you so…

    …buried deep in a Govt document released Monday, they confirm the intention to renew emergency Coronavirus Act powers through the winter.

    What happened to “irreversible”?

    Covid will become like winter flu and peak each year in winter, so the government just being sensible to retain the possibility of future winter restrictions.

    We will also likely need annual top up Covid jabs as there are now winter flu jabs
    Everyone says this. And maybe that’s right because it’s what the politicians keep saying.

    But what happened to the molecular modelling which predicted that sarscov2 is headed for an evolutionary dead end, where it can’t mutate any further without being unable to latch onto ace2 receptors?

    And what of fading immunity to existing strains? Maybe we’ll see a bit of that in antibodies but I don’t think there’s enough to be too pessimistic about that, certainly not to the extent that we require authoritarian restrictions on how life is lived, with or without booster shots.

    And that’s without t-cell immunity, which that chimp Valance scoffed at earlier on in the crisis, even as studies in Asia showed strong T cell immunity to SARSCov1 over a decade after the event.

    Stop pumping the narrative that winter restrictions are an inevitably. They are not. They are the politically easy fallback if the government fails to ensure we have a sensible vaccination programme and a properly functioning healthcare system.
    The government already has achieved a widespread vaccination programme but we know flu peaks in winter each year when hospital flu admissions are their highest and we have to be prepared for Covid to be similar, even for the double vaccinated (especially amongst the elderly)
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,281

    Trump launches class action lawsuit against Facebook/Twitter/Google.

    Trump and class in the same sentence ... does not compute.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    If hospitals are being overrun with unvaccinated... Vaccine passports for pubs/stadiums/crowded places? If you're not willing to be vaccinated then you can't be in a place of high risk?

    Sadly when you socialise the costs of irresponsible behaviour (NHS) then you have to find other ways to prevent the behaviour (authoritarianism) or just let society (really individual men and women and families) pick up the costs of others (not right, moral hazard)

    Just make social insurance an actual insurance system, where the personal cost is calculated by each individuals personal risk choices. If you don't want to pay, no NHS coverage.
  • Aslan said:

    If hospitals are being overrun with unvaccinated... Vaccine passports for pubs/stadiums/crowded places? If you're not willing to be vaccinated then you can't be in a place of high risk?

    Sadly when you socialise the costs of irresponsible behaviour (NHS) then you have to find other ways to prevent the behaviour (authoritarianism) or just let society (really individual men and women and families) pick up the costs of others (not right, moral hazard)

    Just make social insurance an actual insurance system, where the personal cost is calculated by each individuals personal risk choices. If you don't want to pay, no NHS coverage.
    Seems sensible! Tho thinking about it now, I think a lot of the issues around vaccination are with people not being rational actors which is a different problem
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,240
    Looking at the frankly weird demand & supply limitation we're now in in the UK, it's clear the JCVI should have reversed the AZ decision as soon as delta started rising. Too late now to be particularly useful though.
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