With just eight campaigning days to go – Tories still strong favourites to take Batley & Spen – poli

NickPalmer said:

Yes, I'd missed the Delta poll (taken over virtually the same period as ComRes, with an unusually large sample). There's an interesting subsample of 2019 Con holds, Con gains and non-Con holds. For the "Con gain" section, the Dlta result is a 42-42 tie with Labour - which is a larger swing than the overall poll. By contrast, the 2019 Con holds now have a 54-26 Tory lead, suggesting that they're piling up support where they already hold it. The poll also shows a LibDem bounce in the south to 14%, but not elsewhere, and it does look from both poll as if the C+A sensation hasn't produced a major national impact.

https://deltapoll.co.uk/polls/voteint220621

Indeed and we saw some signs of this in the County Council elections. There are small islands of LD activity and progress surrounded by oceans of nothing.

In truth, even at their zenith in the mid-2000s, the LDs were only ever active and competitive in perhaps 100-120 seats. Now, I'd argue that's more like 50 seats but in those seats they are a growing threat to the Conservatives (not Labour).

Were the LDs to take 20-25 seats off the Conservatives next time, that might only dent the Conservative majority if Labour is or are unable to make any headway. A Conservative majority of 40-50 based on some further gains from Labour offset by losses to the LDs and SNP - credible?

Pickford. Nae bosh.

dixiedean said:

Pickford. Nae bosh.

Everyone needs a radge mackem in goal

Leon said:

Fucking hell Kane that was a sitter

Nah it was a good save.

FrancisUrquhart said:

BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW

I thought Delta Plus was a frequent flyer programme.

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FPT

O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?

Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?

The phrase "white privilege" is newish.

The attitude of aggressive disparagement towards the working class is not. As is the recognition that this disparagement is not applied to the same behaviours when evinced by members of protected minority groups.

I suggest you try this book by a noted right wing, reactionary extremist (Owen Jones) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=9781781683989

Owen Jones always talks shite.

If you look at the stats you can tell roughly where most people will end up in an educational outcome by their class and the occupation of their parents, which is why you see so many black and other non white children at the bottom of the education league tables.

My life outcome was largely determined by the fact my father was a doctor from Dore, if my father had been a bus driver from Darnall I know my life outcomes would be so much different for the worse.

My Dad left school at 17 and worked his way around the world doing odd jobs…

Your father was an amazing person with such a drive.

The philanthropic work he did says so much about him.

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

Fucking hell Kane that was a sitter

Nah it was a good save.

That was a gold plated chance for a supposed world class striker. They have to go in, or people will wonder if you are indeed world class

It's not a sitter though, you'd want him to score but it was a good save.

TimT said:

Black_Rook said:

solarflare said:

glw said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

BREAKING: India's health ministry describes Delta Plus, a new mutation of the Delta coronavirus variant, as a Variant of Concern https://t.co/8QZrqIpCiW

Oh FFS!

We're going to need a bigger alphabet

We just need to use some additional alphabets. Russian and Hebrew buy us another 55 letters, which should see us out to October at least...

Also: poor Scotland.

Arabic adds a further 28: make that 33 if you add the additional letters from Farsi and Urdu

Given that this is the Wuhan Flu, surely we should use the Chinese alphabet?

It has maybe 50,000 characters, which should see us through the school hols, variant-wise

Philip_Thompson said:

Is it just me that finds the whole notion of third place finishers qualifying for the last 16 rather ridiculous?

Why not just have 8 additional countries qualify for the tournament and can they have 8 groups rather than 6?

UEFA only has (checks t'web) 55 members, so maybe they simply think that having as many as 32 involved would risk there being too many minnows and consequent shellackings earlier on in the tournament, i.e. that the effort and expense of organising all the extra matches would exceed the reward?

TheScreamingEagles said:

Leon said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

Fucking hell Kane that was a sitter

Nah it was a good save.

That was a gold plated chance for a supposed world class striker. They have to go in, or people will wonder if you are indeed world class

Yes, you can see why he hasn't won a trophy in his career.

I really hope he moves to Man City. He's a fine player, and deserves some silverware, even if he is no Gerd Mueller

Wild shots from Croatia. Wastage of chances

If they get one more, Scotland go home. Thin ice for the North Britons

Wulfrun_Phil said:

dixiedean said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Currently England are most likely to face Germany, at home, in the second round if they win the group while Spain are the most likely opposition, in Copenhagen, should England finish second.

Who could England get if they come 3rd? Because it sounds like a good idea to throw this one..

Will be one not to miss if the Czechs decide the same!

A draw is best for England, but the Czechs will come top unless they lose. So the Czechs have either to persuade England to put the ball in their net or contrive between them to score an og. England just have to miss all their chances.

Doesn’t that end with both teams trying to score own goals?

Czechs start aiming to lose
England repeat wanting a draw

Etc etc

Scotland!!!!

Bravo Scotland!

Charles said:

Wulfrun_Phil said:

dixiedean said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Currently England are most likely to face Germany, at home, in the second round if they win the group while Spain are the most likely opposition, in Copenhagen, should England finish second.

Who could England get if they come 3rd? Because it sounds like a good idea to throw this one..

Will be one not to miss if the Czechs decide the same!

A draw is best for England, but the Czechs will come top unless they lose. So the Czechs have either to persuade England to put the ball in their net or contrive between them to score an og. England just have to miss all their chances.

Doesn’t that end with both teams trying to score own goals?

Czechs start aiming to lose
England repeat wanting a draw

Etc etc

Question

"I wonder if you can help me," asks Aladair Maughan. "I remember reading about a match being played in an African cup competition (I think) where both teams were trying to score own goals in order to try to make/try to prevent the game from going into extra time and being won on a golden goal. Does anyone know the exact details of this, or if it's just an urban myth?

Answer

It might sound like an urban myth, Alasdair, but it's (almost) 100% true. The crazy events you describe took place in a Shell Caribbean Cup match between Barbados and Grenada in 1994.

Going into the last group game Barbados needed to beat Grenada by two goals to qualify for the final stages. Anything less and Grenada went through

So far, so simple. Except that the organisers had decided that, in the case of extra time, a golden goal would count as two goals.

You don't have to be Einstein to work out what happened next. Barbados raced to a 2-0 lead before Grenada made it 2-1 with seven minutes remaining. The Barjans were heading out unless they scored a goal; any goal.

Fortunately for them, with three minutes left, they did just that - only not in the right net. Their deliberate own goal made it 2-2 and propelled the game towards extra time.

Now, farcically, Grenada needed to score a goal (at either end) to go through. Cue frantic defending of both penalty areas by Barbados until the final whistle.

Such dubious shenanigans were rewarded, however, when Barbados scored the golden goal - this time in Grenada's net - four minutes into extra time to win the match 3-2 (or 4-2 according to the rules of the tournament) and qualify for the finals.

Incidentally, the match is detailed in more depth here

However this isn't the only example of a blatant own-goal being scored to further a team's ambitions. As James Syme points out, it also happened in the infamous 1998 Tiger Cup game between Thailand and Indonesia.

"Whoever won would get to face hot favourites Vietnam in the next round, so both teams tried to throw the match," he says. "At 2-2 and with a few minutes left, the Indonesians dropped all pretence and turned on their own goal, now defended by Thai players.

"In injury time the Indonesian keeper-captain Mursyid Effendi 'saved' the ball, turned round and thumped the ball into his own goal for a 3-2 final result."

Justice was eventually served, however. For not only did Indonesia and Thailand lose their semi-final games (to Singapore and Vietnam, respectively) but both were also fined $40,000 for "violating the spirit of the game." Meanwhile Mursyid Effendi was banned for life.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2002/mar/28/theknowledge.sport

Black_Rook said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Is it just me that finds the whole notion of third place finishers qualifying for the last 16 rather ridiculous?

Why not just have 8 additional countries qualify for the tournament and can they have 8 groups rather than 6?

UEFA only has (checks t'web) 55 members, so maybe they simply think that having as many as 32 involved would risk there being too many minnows and consequent shellackings earlier on in the tournament, i.e. that the effort and expense of organising all the extra matches would exceed the reward?

A better system, for me, would be to put the 4 best group winners into the QF. Have the other 2 and 6 runners-up play off for the other 4 places.

Hahahaha the gammony Scot!

OnlyLivingBoy said:

What I find interesting about the whole discussion of White Privilege is that the Right has a narrative that the Left use it to attack working class white people. But speaking personally as someone who moves in fairly Woke circles at times, I have never seen it used in that way. Never.
I've seen it used to describe situations like the following: being able to engage with the police and assume that the police will believe them and not assume they are a criminal; being able to get into a few scrapes as a kid and get away without a criminal record; knowing that the press won't always try to dig up dirt on you if you ever make it as a footballer or something; knowing that the Home Office won't try to arbitrarily deport you; not constantly wondering whether you are being judged on the basis of your skin colour whenever you are slighted in some way; being able to express opinions on social media without receiving torrents of abuse.
The idea that it's been dreamt up to minimise the problems that come with class discrimination and economic inequality is just plain wrong. So then you have to wonder why the Right is making out that it is. It's really not hard to figure out.

Really good, perceptive post.

NickPalmer said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

What I find interesting about the whole discussion of White Privilege is that the Right has a narrative that the Left use it to attack working class white people. But speaking personally as someone who moves in fairly Woke circles at times, I have never seen it used in that way. Never.
I've seen it used to describe situations like the following: being able to engage with the police and assume that the police will believe them and not assume they are a criminal; being able to get into a few scrapes as a kid and get away without a criminal record; knowing that the press won't always try to dig up dirt on you if you ever make it as a footballer or something; knowing that the Home Office won't try to arbitrarily deport you; not constantly wondering whether you are being judged on the basis of your skin colour whenever you are slighted in some way; being able to express opinions on social media without receiving torrents of abuse.
The idea that it's been dreamt up to minimise the problems that come with class discrimination and economic inequality is just plain wrong. So then you have to wonder why the Right is making out that it is. It's really not hard to figure out.

Really good, perceptive post.

Bollocks. White Privilege is ABSOLUTELY used to silence white working class people - in America and the UK

Draw sens Ukraine through and gives Finland a better chance I think ?

Pulpstar said:

Draw sens Ukraine through and gives Finland a better chance I think ?

Finland are hoping for a miracle as they need to get above third in Group F (i.e. need Portugal to lose by three or more goals) or to stay above third in Group E, which looks unlikely. Ukraine need a draw at Hampden.

Basically, it will be A, F, E and one of D or C.

Digging up the salt in the Danakil

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Sean_F said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

Leon said:

dixiedean said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

O/T - What the feck are Scotland doing? I hope they get knocked out tonight.

England have two players in isolation because they briefly came into contact with Billy Gilmour but no Scotland player or coaching staff have been in close contact with Billy Gilmour.

An absolute disgrace.

It just seems incredible that most everyone with Scotland were not in contact with Gilmour but two England players were

It is inexplicable and frankly absurd

I some how doubt that the footballers simply train or in their hotel rooms alone, never interacting with one another other than on the training pitch.....about as likely as finding out they aren't spending their downtime asking for nudes from Instagram "models", instead reading the works of Nietzsche.

"The true man wants 2 things:danger and play. For that reason he wants woman as the most dangerous plaything."

Not for me, Clive.

Is that Nietzsche? So true, and especially insightful from a man who had sex maybe twice

I’ve been held at gunpoint in the Lebanon, strafed by Israelis in the mountains, and attacked with a knife in Marseilles, I’ve been slammed in jail as an innocent man. I’ve overdosed on heroin multiple times, I’ve been trapped on a troop train in Siberia, I’ve been lost in the murderous desert of Sechura next a puma rape room. I’ve climbed the high lava lakes of Ethiopia, I’ve lingered in the deathliest place on earth (Yungay, Chile), I’ve broken down in Death Valley, I’ve kayaked in Antarctica with the inventor of Antarctic kayaking (who got scared by the conditions), I’ve jumped off the Dolomites with the world champion paraglider, I’ve had near-fatal heatstroke in Namibia, I’ve smoked dope through the thighbone of a springbok with the last San bushmen, and I once scored crack in Alphabet City, NYC, IN THE 80S - but nothing has fucked with my head so much as a woman. They are brutal

But you've never actually been deported from a country, I think.

Several times

It turns out I have nothing on @Leon.

Have you ever been expelled from a country because your activities were incompatible with your diplomatic status?

No, but I am persona non grata in Uganda after facilitating Idi Amin’s flight from that country.

Time for some Ugandan discussions to get your persona non grata revoked.

I also helped to orchestrate the overthrow of Ceaucescu in 1989.

My aunt was hanging about in Bucharest about that time. Previously been spending time with friends in Poland and Berlin.

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

NickPalmer said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

What I find interesting about the whole discussion of White Privilege is that the Right has a narrative that the Left use it to attack working class white people. But speaking personally as someone who moves in fairly Woke circles at times, I have never seen it used in that way. Never.
I've seen it used to describe situations like the following: being able to engage with the police and assume that the police will believe them and not assume they are a criminal; being able to get into a few scrapes as a kid and get away without a criminal record; knowing that the press won't always try to dig up dirt on you if you ever make it as a footballer or something; knowing that the Home Office won't try to arbitrarily deport you; not constantly wondering whether you are being judged on the basis of your skin colour whenever you are slighted in some way; being able to express opinions on social media without receiving torrents of abuse.
The idea that it's been dreamt up to minimise the problems that come with class discrimination and economic inequality is just plain wrong. So then you have to wonder why the Right is making out that it is. It's really not hard to figure out.

Really good, perceptive post.

Bollocks. White Privilege is ABSOLUTELY used to silence white working class people - in America and the UK

Such a battler for the white working class.

You abandoned them - your own people - and it roils you, emotionally. Topping is right

TheScreamingEagles said:

Charles said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FPT

O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?

Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?

The phrase "white privilege" is newish.

The attitude of aggressive disparagement towards the working class is not. As is the recognition that this disparagement is not applied to the same behaviours when evinced by members of protected minority groups.

I suggest you try this book by a noted right wing, reactionary extremist (Owen Jones) - https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=9781781683989

Owen Jones always talks shite.

If you look at the stats you can tell roughly where most people will end up in an educational outcome by their class and the occupation of their parents, which is why you see so many black and other non white children at the bottom of the education league tables.

My life outcome was largely determined by the fact my father was a doctor from Dore, if my father had been a bus driver from Darnall I know my life outcomes would be so much different for the worse.

My Dad left school at 17 and worked his way around the world doing odd jobs…

Your father was an amazing person with such a drive.

The philanthropic work he did says so much about him.

Thank you. I try to live up to his standards.

I see England is returning to the "bore the opponents to death" strategy that worked so well against Scotland.

rcs1000 said:

I see England is returning to the "bore the opponents to death" strategy that worked so well against Scotland.

It doesn't help that neither side particularly wants to win

Any player other than the goalkeeper and that is probably a pen and red card. Funny old game.

Leon said:

rcs1000 said:

I see England is returning to the "bore the opponents to death" strategy that worked so well against Scotland.

It doesn't help that neither side particularly wants to win

They are already winning though, so they might as well try to win well. After all, if the Czechs really don't want it then the only way England are now getting the draw is through a deliberate own goal, which might be a tad obvious.

Leon said:

kinabalu said:

Leon said:

NickPalmer said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

What I find interesting about the whole discussion of White Privilege is that the Right has a narrative that the Left use it to attack working class white people. But speaking personally as someone who moves in fairly Woke circles at times, I have never seen it used in that way. Never.
I've seen it used to describe situations like the following: being able to engage with the police and assume that the police will believe them and not assume they are a criminal; being able to get into a few scrapes as a kid and get away without a criminal record; knowing that the press won't always try to dig up dirt on you if you ever make it as a footballer or something; knowing that the Home Office won't try to arbitrarily deport you; not constantly wondering whether you are being judged on the basis of your skin colour whenever you are slighted in some way; being able to express opinions on social media without receiving torrents of abuse.
The idea that it's been dreamt up to minimise the problems that come with class discrimination and economic inequality is just plain wrong. So then you have to wonder why the Right is making out that it is. It's really not hard to figure out.

Really good, perceptive post.

Bollocks. White Privilege is ABSOLUTELY used to silence white working class people - in America and the UK

Such a battler for the white working class.

You abandoned them - your own people - and it roils you, emotionally. Topping is right

I didn't abandon them. I go back at Christmas.

rcs1000 said:

DavidL said:

Any player other than the goalkeeper and that is probably a pen and red card. Funny old game.

You mean the whole "using your hands" thing?

More like sliding into your opponent and not getting anywhere near the ball. This is getting very tight.

Foxy said:

Sandpit said:

Northern_Al said:

Sandpit said:

Northern_Al said:

Sandpit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FPT

O/T - Can someone explain to me why discussions of white privilege which really only started in the UK in the last few years is the reason why white working class children have had poor educational outcomes for decades?

Am I missing something major or are people talking shite?

What the report is saying, is that class rather than race is the better determinant of educational outcomes (as you’d know, from experience), and that modern US-imported Crititcal Race Theory is only throwing fuel on that fire.

My version of the report doesn't mention critical race theory at all in the body of the report. I can't think of a serious educationalist in the UK who doesn't think that socio-economic class trumps race as the main determinant of educational outcomes in the UK.

We agree on your main point. The critical race theory, is the concept of “white privilege” which is mentioned in the report. They’re telling WWC kids that they are the “oppressors” who need to atone for the sins of their ancestors.

We desparately need to find a way to improve the educational outcomes, of those kids whose parents don’t care. Aside from picking out the occasional autistic or gifted kid in “care” and sending them to board at public school (which has been done a few times), I’m as lost as anyone else on this subject.

Yes, we don't disagree on the main point.

In answer to your question, and others on here, the answer lies in schools. There's not a lot you can do about parents who are uneducated themselves and couldn't care less about the education of their kids. But there is a magic formula - brilliantly-led schools where brilliant teachers imbue all kids with aspiration and motivation, regardless of their social/economic/racial background, and regardless of parental attitude. There are quite a lot of such schools around, where the exam results are astonishingly good despite, not because of, the intake; more than people think. Things are, actually, getting better with the current generation of teachers. That's not really reflected in the SC report.

And it's in that context that I think the "white privilege" stuff is just a red herring, throwing some red meat to the culture warriors. Excuse fish and meat metaphors.

No, the “white privilege” stuff is real, and starting to be taught in schools in the UK - but with a US context of race that’s totally inappropriate for a British audience.

Not seen it myself with either Fox Jr at schools in heavily right on and multicultural Leicester.

Perhaps such things are only visible from Dubai.

Or you could just Google

"Teach pupils about what white privilege is and
how they can become more aware of it.

"Use visuals such as the White Supremacy
Pyramid or Allport Scale of Prejudice in Society to
help pupils understand how bias, stereotypes
and prejudice can lead to racist words and
actions, leading to physical harm and death"

https://headsup.warwickshire.gov.uk/assets/1/responding_to_racism_warwickshire_version.pdf

"There is a lot of talk at the moment about ‘white privilege’. Your children will be encountering the term in school, and in mainstream media like BBC Newsround."

https://www.barnardos.org.uk/blog/white-privilege-guide-for-parents

http://allianceforlearning.co.uk/our-hubs/race-and-diversity-hub/resources/


"EYFS teachers 'should get white privilege training'
Alternative early years guidance says 'conversations about difference' can help children 'develop anti-racist views'"

https://www.tes.com/news/racism-EYFS-schools-call-early-years-teachers-white-privilege-training

"How to lead whole-school discussions about racism and whiteness

"Find out how to develop your understanding of racism and whiteness so you can increase awareness of these issues and encourage productive discussions in your school."

https://schoolleaders.thekeysupport.com/administration-and-management/ethos-equality/specific-equality-considerations/how-lead-whole-school-discussions-about-racism-and-whiteness/


Are you just.... a bit dim? Can you not Google? Why do PB lefties have to be spoon-fed the facts, like idiots eating porridge?

kinabalu said:

isam said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

How George Galloway is described on the George Galloway website.

"There’s only one George Galloway. Six-term Parliamentarian, freedom fighter, man of the world. Writer, broadcaster, film-maker. Football and boxing enthusiast, movie-goer, box-set binger. Husband, father of five children, Scottish of Irish background, honorary Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian… Friend of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Benazir Bhutto, Yasser Arafat, Tariq Aziz. Trembling with indignation at any injustice, anywhere."

https://www.georgegalloway.com

"Man of the world". Oh dear.

He’s telling us about his life alright! Labour wish he’d never been born

The song's alright but that's as far as it goes. We all know what 'man of the world' means. It means ebullient and intrusive.

Bringing down the neolib, Zionist world order is like making love to a beautiful woman.

Leon said:

Digging up the salt in the Danakil

Glad to see they have a supervisor.

Oh dear.

Big fucking hairy bollocks.

Feck.
I like Modric but he can do one.

Class is indeed permanent. Superb goal.

Incredible goal from Modric.

Theuniondivvie said:

kinabalu said:

isam said:

kinabalu said:

Andy_JS said:

How George Galloway is described on the George Galloway website.

"There’s only one George Galloway. Six-term Parliamentarian, freedom fighter, man of the world. Writer, broadcaster, film-maker. Football and boxing enthusiast, movie-goer, box-set binger. Husband, father of five children, Scottish of Irish background, honorary Palestinian, Iraqi, Syrian, Egyptian… Friend of Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Benazir Bhutto, Yasser Arafat, Tariq Aziz. Trembling with indignation at any injustice, anywhere."

https://www.georgegalloway.com

"Man of the world". Oh dear.

He’s telling us about his life alright! Labour wish he’d never been born

The song's alright but that's as far as it goes. We all know what 'man of the world' means. It means ebullient and intrusive.

Bringing down the neolib, Zionist world order is like making love to a beautiful woman.

☺☺

This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy

Scotland scoring twice is a big big ask.

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Oblivion

Are these photos from the planet your aliens are from? What am I looking at?

You're looking at some photos I took of the ancient salt caravans of the Afar, in northern Ethiopia, in the Danakil Depression. They've been handcvarving salt blocks - in intense heat - and shipping them by donkey and camel, for thousands of years. And stlll they do it

The scenery is especially dramatic because a salt-storm has kicked up: like a sand storm, but literally made of salt

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/130525-salt-ethiopia-mining-extreme-volcano-heat-transportation

When did you take them?

Leon said:

This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy

Indeed.

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

This England side will tamely depart in the next round. They have no energy

Depends, if it's Germany then that's a pretty much guaranteed loss.

I'd rather win the group and face Germany at Wembley with 45,000 fans and if we lose we lose than meekly go through as runners up in the group and timidly go out at penalties against who the fudge cares this time in the knock outs.

Scotland need more players in the box.

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

Leon said:

Gallowgate said:

Leon said:

Oblivion

Are these photos from the planet your aliens are from? What am I looking at?

You're looking at some photos I took of the ancient salt caravans of the Afar, in northern Ethiopia, in the Danakil Depression. They've been handcvarving salt blocks - in intense heat - and shipping them by donkey and camel, for thousands of years. And stlll they do it

The scenery is especially dramatic because a salt-storm has kicked up: like a sand storm, but literally made of salt

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/travel/article/130525-salt-ethiopia-mining-extreme-volcano-heat-transportation

When did you take them?

2017

Prospecting for flints?

I'm trying to understand Kane's role here. Is it to tamely pass the ball back towards the England half whenever he gets the ball?

Class may be permanent.
Except for Vlasic at Everton.

Game over.