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TheScreamingEagles said:

FrankBooth said:

I'm backing Argentina, I don't know why. Germany are a good team but their style still doesn't excite me.

The side that defeated Brazil 7-1 doesn't excite you?

Tell me, have you been diagnosed anhedonic?

SeanT said:

I'm supporting the Argies. The team with talent and genius should win the World Cup. Talent should always, ultimately, outrank organisation, skill and commitment.

The only genius on show is Lionel Messi.

TheScreamingEagles said:

How much fun was it seeing Alastair Cook bowling today?

Also, Gary Ballance, the new Shane Warne?

OldKingCole said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How much fun was it seeing Alastair Cook bowling today?

Also, Gary Ballance, the new Shane Warne?

I've seen Cook bowl in a County game. Four years ago or thereabouts. Took 2-13 in four overs IIRC.

dugarbandier said:

CarlottaVance said:

Wonder why Lab VI are, relative to the others Argie fans?

Sticking one to Fatcha?

UKIP outliers comme d'habitude.....

Scots?

Ninoinoz said:

isam said:

No he didn't, he was asked who he would rather live next door to and he answered in the way that most of the country, no matter who they vote for, would have

No need for the grandiose statements, get over yourself

How about this for a UKIP election slogan:

If you want a paedo for a neighbour, vote Conservative.

Morris_Dancer said:

Good evening, everyone.

Bah. Karlovic lost the first set. Quite annoyed, as the bet looked nice. Oh well.

TheScreamingEagles said:

How on earth is that a German free kick?

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How on earth is that a German free kick?

Quite incredible

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Eagles, ahem, I backed (and tipped) a 2-0 win, though.

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How on earth is that a German free kick?

Quite incredible

I'm reminded of what Brian Clough said about the Italians.

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

How on earth is that a German free kick?

Quite incredible

I'm reminded of what Brian Clough said about the Italians.

What was that?

Called them cheating bastards (and questioned their courage in World War II)

isam said:

Charles said:

isam said:

Charles said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Saying they hurt the cause of the right is even sillier. For the first time in decades, the right is outpolling the left. The Lib Dem vote has collapsed (hopefully forever), and UKIP have replaced them as the third party (again hopefully permanently). This is a great development for the right in British politics.

There's this thing called FPTP. Polls don't matter if it doesn't translate into seats in Parliament. I believe that Miliband will be as bad for the UK as Hollande's first two years were in France. Unfortunately, he lacks the dexterity to execute as elegant a volte face as Hollande has achieved.

British people are indeed moderate and tolerant, but you mistake moderacy and tolerance for current political fashion. Untrammeled immigration is not a particular demonstration of tolerance, and bakers falling foul of the law for not baking a cake is positively intolerant. Successful parties do not position themselves in the middle ground -they change what the middle ground is.

I suspect that a Tory only government would be stricter on immigration than the Coalition has been. That said, there are significant economic gains from the right sort of immigration. The objective is how to put in place intelligent controls that maximise the benefit while limiting the damage, and putting in place the necessary programmes to support those who lose while the country gains.

There are too many racists and fellow travellers in UKIP to give me comfort that UKIP would put in place appropriate designed structures. Farage's nod to the racists in that radio interview gave me deep concern that he does not have the character to be a leader.

And I very much doubt that the baker will be convicted. You will always get radicals who will seek to exploit the laws. Based on the reporting he did not discriminate against the individual, but chose not to pipe the slogan. That should be a question of free speech.

Supporters of all parties said they would prefer to live next door to Germans than Romanians... how people can castigate Farage after that poll came to light is beyond me

Because he quite deliberately made a unpleasant remark that nodded towards racism.

A leader should help us achieve our best, not pander to the worst.

foxinsoxuk said:

isam said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ninoinoz said:

isam said:

No he didn't, he was asked who he would rather live next door to and he answered in the way that most of the country, no matter who they vote for, would have

No need for the grandiose statements, get over yourself

How about this for a UKIP election slogan:

If you want a paedo for a neighbour, vote Conservative.

Perhaps this kipper could be the neighbour?

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/home/article/2964/ukip-paedophile-royal-butler-jailed-for-12-years

Nice try, but...

UKIP didn't know about it, they didn't cover it up and he never stood again once was it known?

How about David Gales accusations then?:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/21/nigel-farage-ukip-leadership-row

I suspect that no party is in the clear and anyone trying to make political capital is likely to come a cropper. UKIPs candidate screening has a record of being rather lax.

SeanT said:

isam said:

BobaFett said:

@isam

I was probably overdoing it - to call the game poor was a bit of an overstatement. Just very frustrated by the finishing, there really should have been two or three goals by now.

The last World Cup final with these two was possibly the worst game I have ever seen

What was cool about the winner? Anyone?

World Cup finals are nearly always a bit disappointing. Too much rides on them. They are either walkovers, or stiflingly, nervously close (usually the latter).

Possibly England-Germany 66 was the last really great World Cup final?

I await a pb brainiac to set me right.

Charles said:

isam said:

Charles said:

isam said:

Charles said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Saying they hurt the cause of the right is even sillier. For the first time in decades, the right is outpolling the left. The Lib Dem vote has collapsed (hopefully forever), and UKIP have replaced them as the third party (again hopefully permanently). This is a great development for the right in British politics.

I suspect that a Tory only government would be stricter on immigration than the Coalition has been. That said, there are significant economic gains from the right sort of immigration. The objective is how to put in place intelligent controls that maximise the benefit while limiting the damage, and putting in place the necessary programmes to support those who lose while the country gains.

There are too many racists and fellow travellers in UKIP to give me comfort that UKIP would put in place appropriate designed structures. Farage's nod to the racists in that radio interview gave me deep concern that he does not have the character to be a leader.

And I very much doubt that the baker will be convicted. You will always get radicals who will seek to exploit the laws. Based on the reporting he did not discriminate against the individual, but chose not to pipe the slogan. That should be a question of free speech.

Supporters of all parties said they would prefer to live next door to Germans than Romanians... how people can castigate Farage after that poll came to light is beyond me

Because he quite deliberately made a unpleasant remark that nodded towards racism.

A leader should help us achieve our best, not pander to the worst.

No he didn't, he was asked who he would rather live next door to and he answered in the way that most of the country, no matter who they vote for, would have

No need for the grandiose statements, get over yourself

BobaFett said:

isam said:

BobaFett said:

@isam

I was probably overdoing it - to call the game poor was a bit of an overstatement. Just very frustrated by the finishing, there really should have been two or three goals by now.

The last World Cup final with these two was possibly the worst game I have ever seen

What was cool about the winner? Anyone?

1990 final? Brehme pen but he admitted it wasn't a foul afterwards?

BobaFett said:

isam said:

BobaFett said:

isam said:

BobaFett said:

@isam

I was probably overdoing it - to call the game poor was a bit of an overstatement. Just very frustrated by the finishing, there really should have been two or three goals by now.

The last World Cup final with these two was possibly the worst game I have ever seen

What was cool about the winner? Anyone?

1990 final? Brehme pen but he admitted it wasn't a foul afterwards?

I always thought it really cool that the left back took a pen in a World Cup final with his right foot!

Ha! Didn't remember that detail. Why did he? Purely to confuse the goalie?

Charles said:

isam said:

Charles said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Saying they hurt the cause of the right is even sillier. For the first time in decades, the right is outpolling the left. The Lib Dem vote has collapsed (hopefully forever), and UKIP have replaced them as the third party (again hopefully permanently). This is a great development for the right in British politics.

There's this thing called FPTP. Polls don't matter if it doesn't translate into seats in Parliament. I believe that Miliband will be as bad for the UK as Hollande's first two years were in France. Unfortunately, he lacks the dexterity to execute as elegant a volte face as Hollande has achieved.

British people are indeed moderate and tolerant, but you mistake moderacy and tolerance for current political fashion. Untrammeled immigration is not a particular demonstration of tolerance, and bakers falling foul of the law for not baking a cake is positively intolerant. Successful parties do not position themselves in the middle ground -they change what the middle ground is.

I suspect that a Tory only government would be stricter on immigration than the Coalition has been. That said, there are significant economic gains from the right sort of immigration. The objective is how to put in place intelligent controls that maximise the benefit while limiting the damage, and putting in place the necessary programmes to support those who lose while the country gains.

There are too many racists and fellow travellers in UKIP to give me comfort that UKIP would put in place appropriate designed structures. Farage's nod to the racists in that radio interview gave me deep concern that he does not have the character to be a leader.

And I very much doubt that the baker will be convicted. You will always get radicals who will seek to exploit the laws. Based on the reporting he did not discriminate against the individual, but chose not to pipe the slogan. That should be a question of free speech.

Supporters of all parties said they would prefer to live next door to Germans than Romanians... how people can castigate Farage after that poll came to light is beyond me

Ishmael_X said:

Ninoinoz said:

foxinsoxuk said:

isam said:

foxinsoxuk said:

Ninoinoz said:

isam said:

No he didn't, he was asked who he would rather live next door to and he answered in the way that most of the country, no matter who they vote for, would have

No need for the grandiose statements, get over yourself

How about this for a UKIP election slogan:

If you want a paedo for a neighbour, vote Conservative.

Perhaps this kipper could be the neighbour?

http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/home/article/2964/ukip-paedophile-royal-butler-jailed-for-12-years

Nice try, but...

UKIP didn't know about it, they didn't cover it up and he never stood again once was it known?

How about David Gales accusations then?:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/21/nigel-farage-ukip-leadership-row

I suspect that no party is in the clear and anyone trying to make political capital is likely to come a cropper. UKIPs candidate screening has a record of being rather lax.

UKIP candidates also have a record of not being elected MPs, not being appointed ministers and NOT BEING PART OF A CHILD ABUSE CONSPIRACY.

How's your war against the BBC conspiracy to portray the RC church as a bunch of choir boy botherers going, now that Pope Francis has joined the conspiracy?

SouthamObserver said:

Is there any country which has a sizeable British-origin population (outside UK) where football is the number one sport?

isam said:

He was asked what the difference was, and apologised for the inference that the "you know" comment made.

But its a fact that most people would rather live next door to Germans than Romanians, and for the same reasons as Farage stated later.

I guess if it were you, the Romanian ambassador or a German prince as a neighbour would be much of a muchness, but try living in Barking for a while and answering the question honestly #cloudcuckooland

SouthamObserver said:

Is there any country which has a sizeable British-origin population (outside UK) where football is the number one sport?

isam said:

Charles said:

isam said:

He was asked what the difference was, and apologised for the inference that the "you know" comment made.

But its a fact that most people would rather live next door to Germans than Romanians, and for the same reasons as Farage stated later.

I guess if it were you, the Romanian ambassador or a German prince as a neighbour would be much of a muchness, but try living in Barking for a while and answering the question honestly #cloudcuckooland

I never lived in Barking, but I did rent a bedroom in a shared house in Southwark; my brother lived in Mile End.

I'm sure that people would rather live next to a decent, hard working family with 2.4 children and a pet dog. They may assume that those characteristics are more likely to be found among one group vs another.

But a politician shouldn't try to win votes by giving voice to ugly sentiments.

Unless the time you lived in that area was in the last ten years, its completely meaningless

Farage answered a question honestly in a hostile interview, and it turns out he was on the right side of public opinion... he wasn't trying to win votes by it I shouldn't think, although he may well in areas of mass Eastern European immigration.. they cant afford your lofty morals

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

Charles said:

isam said:

He was asked what the difference was, and apologised for the inference that the "you know" comment made.

But its a fact that most people would rather live next door to Germans than Romanians, and for the same reasons as Farage stated later.

I guess if it were you, the Romanian ambassador or a German prince as a neighbour would be much of a muchness, but try living in Barking for a while and answering the question honestly #cloudcuckooland

I never lived in Barking, but I did rent a bedroom in a shared house in Southwark; my brother lived in Mile End.

I'm sure that people would rather live next to a decent, hard working family with 2.4 children and a pet dog. They may assume that those characteristics are more likely to be found among one group vs another.

But a politician shouldn't try to win votes by giving voice to ugly sentiments.

Unless the time you lived in that area was in the last ten years, its completely meaningless

Farage answered a question honestly in a hostile interview, and it turns out he was on the right side of public opinion... he wasn't trying to win votes by it I shouldn't think, although he may well in areas of mass Eastern European immigration.. they cant afford your lofty morals

Would it have been acceptable if Farage had said most people wouldn't want to live next to Jews or Blacks?

What is the line between acceptable and unacceptable?

isam said:

rcs1000 said:

isam said:

Charles said:

isam said:

He was asked what the difference was, and apologised for the inference that the "you know" comment made.

But its a fact that most people would rather live next door to Germans than Romanians, and for the same reasons as Farage stated later.

I guess if it were you, the Romanian ambassador or a German prince as a neighbour would be much of a muchness, but try living in Barking for a while and answering the question honestly #cloudcuckooland

I never lived in Barking, but I did rent a bedroom in a shared house in Southwark; my brother lived in Mile End.

I'm sure that people would rather live next to a decent, hard working family with 2.4 children and a pet dog. They may assume that those characteristics are more likely to be found among one group vs another.

But a politician shouldn't try to win votes by giving voice to ugly sentiments.

Unless the time you lived in that area was in the last ten years, its completely meaningless

Farage answered a question honestly in a hostile interview, and it turns out he was on the right side of public opinion... he wasn't trying to win votes by it I shouldn't think, although he may well in areas of mass Eastern European immigration.. they cant afford your lofty morals

Would it have been acceptable if Farage had said most people wouldn't want to live next to Jews or Blacks?

What is the line between acceptable and unacceptable?

Why pick out Farage? Opinion polls say that most people would prefer Germans over Romanians as neighbours