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Probably butchered the grammar. Been rewatching my Scrubs DVDs and discovered they have German subtitles available.
Sticking one to Fatcha?
UKIP outliers comme d'habitude.....
'You can only outflank if there is sufficient ground.
The Liberals were crushed because Labour their left and the Tories absorbed their right.
I suspect that, in GEs, the absolute maximum vote for a UKIP style manifesto is around 20-25%. The Tories approached that (I think they were c. 32%) in 2001 and 2005, but still had some loyalty support from the centre-right.
So the best that UKIP can do is hurt the cause of the right.
Even if they were to take all the current UKIP support (c. 12%), and let's say 2/3 of the current Tory support (+22%), they would still only be where the Tories are currently.
Sometimes you need to appreciate the strategic lie of the ground. The British people, as a whole, are moderate, tolerant and forward looking. UKIP appeals to a minority.'
You have no grounds to suspect that type of ceiling. There is an enormous bloc of potential voters in this country who have genuine concerns, frustrations etc. with this country, but have not yet been 'politicised'. UKIP's job is to make a connection with them, and give them a voice.
Saying they hurt the cause of the right is even sillier. For the first time in decades, the right is outpolling the left. The Lib Dem vote has collapsed (hopefully forever), and UKIP have replaced them as the third party (again hopefully permanently). This is a great development for the right in British politics.
British people are indeed moderate and tolerant, but you mistake moderacy and tolerance for current political fashion. Untrammeled immigration is not a particular demonstration of tolerance, and bakers falling foul of the law for not baking a cake is positively intolerant. Successful parties do not position themselves in the middle ground -they change what the middle ground is.
It is also noticeable that enthusiasm for Germany declines markedly (48>33) with age.....
When the Germans beat us, they beat us fair and square though Italia 90 was more heartbreaking than the above two.
That said I'm backing the Argies to win tonight, that the match goes to penalties and that Müller and Messi are FGS.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgGL2CaeuU8
The Hillsborough inquiry was chaired by a non legal type, the Bishop of Liverpool.
Your suggestion that Jeremy Paxman chairs the Paedo inquiry is a complete non starter.
Newsnight didn't run the Jimmy Savile story and smeared Lord McAlpine as a paedo, which ultimately saw the resignation of the BBC Director-General.
So he'd be tainted from the start.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690121/Is-Met-hiding-sex-claim-files-First-indication-Dickens-dossier-Westminster-paedophile-ring-found.htm
A lot of ifs and buts and standard DM hype...but if it was actually found, crickey.
I was speaking with a Dutch friend of mine and said unlucky about losing the semi-final. And he said, but hey if you can't score a single goal in 240 minutes of football, do you deserve to win the World Cup?
What's the basis of that?
That makes a huge difference
It eats the left up.
http://www.thelovelacemovie.com/
Scotland and London. Scotland will be the football and Maradonna.
And it wouldn't matter if he made a mistake from a judicial perspective.
For example, the arches at the Southern End of Regent Street were known as the, "Meat rack", for donkey's years. Everyone knew what was going on there, surely we don't need an enquiry to tell us what was common knowledge thirty or more years ago.
It was very necessary and helped uncover some appalling stuff, such as, 41 of 96 victims could have survived.
"Diego Maradona arrived in Scotland yesterday before his first game in charge of the Argentina national side on Wednesday. Hundreds of Scottish fans were at Glasgow airport to greet him, many hoping for an autographed picture of his "hand of God" goal against England in the 1986 World Cup."
Yes - 162
No - 414
Looks like done to a high standard - ie not like an internet poll.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-28279790
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28282621
Either he is of the opinion that things are good as they stand (which is a perfectly reasonable position) or that serious action needs to be taken in order to enforce protection of UK companies (again a perfectly reasonable position).
So instead he wants to enact a load of legislation to tinker at things, in other worlds the worst of both worlds.
In government, he is the same as when he was the "sage" for the BBC. Well on one hand we have this, and on the other hand you have that...but in government you have to make decisions.
Instead he has spent 4 years continuing doing basically nothing, other than selling the Post Office on the cheap side.
I'm glad he wasn't anywhere near the levers of powers when the crash hit, he would still be weighing up the pros and cons of what to do now.
In any event, if the Inquiry had indeed got to "the truth", why isn't the Inquest, and the parties thereto, simply taking its conclusions at face value? The answer is that the Inquiry did not proceed according to due process in any understood sense of the term. Suppose that the inquest makes findings of fact different to those of the inquiry? A reasonable man will be obliged to accept the verdict of the jury.
If any demonstration of the sloppiness with which the Inquiry treated its terms of reference is needed, just look at how it dealt with the alterations to the statements by the police. It was as if it had not bothered to read the report of Stuart-Smith LJ, or had decided that his findings were too inconvenient to address.
As someone who has read the Hillsborough Panel's report there's a reason the courts aren't taking inquiry's report at face value, they want other people to come to the same conclusions as they did independently.
Taking things at face value in 1989 led to a modern day blood libel against a City and a Football club and "The Truth" being at variance with the facts.
1. The Germans have played much better, and more enjoyable football.
2. The Germans are our rivals. The Argentinians are our enemies.
Has anyone ever tipped a 50/1 winner on PB before?
I would have more in common with someone from Germany if I met them on the bus tomorrow than I would with someone from Argentina.
Oh God; does that mean I'm heading for an "in" vote in 2017?
Well the 3.15pm cut off point was shown to be bollocks* according to the medical evidence at the Hillsborough panel.
*Yes bollocks is a well known, and accepted legal term.
When to coalition is done and dusted, Uncle Vince gets the heave ho, I don't think anybody in 2016 will remember his "achievements", let alone further into the future.
yes everything was perfect and sound, that's why Stefan Popper's verdicts have been quashed.
Chez St’Clare will be cheering for the krauts for 4 reasons: - (1) I’ve forgiven them for invading the Channel Isles (2) I have not forgiven the Argies for the Falklands (3) can’t stand that de Kirchner woman and (4) meine deutsche Frau hat mir befohlen, dies zu tun.
Never once have I asserted that 'everything was perfect and sound.' You would do better to address the legitimate points I have raised rather than attributing to me strawmen arguments which I have never made and do not believe. Clearly you have difficulties with the facts. The reality is that the situation is far more complex than the vigilantes will allow for. The process and reasoning of the Hillsborough Independent Panel would not have been acceptable in a court of record or inquisition. Dispassionate judgment is needed. Hopefully the new inquests will provide it.
There are too many racists and fellow travellers in UKIP to give me comfort that UKIP would put in place appropriate designed structures. Farage's nod to the racists in that radio interview gave me deep concern that he does not have the character to be a leader.
And I very much doubt that the baker will be convicted. You will always get radicals who will seek to exploit the laws. Based on the reporting he did not discriminate against the individual, but chose not to pipe the slogan. That should be a question of free speech.
Never once have I asserted that 'everything was perfect and sound.' You would do better to address the legitimate points I have raised rather than attributing to me strawmen arguments which I have never made and do not believe. Clearly you have difficulties with the facts. The reality is that the situation is far more complex than the vigilantes will allow for. The process and reasoning of the Hillsborough Independent Panel would not have been acceptable in a court of record or inquisition. Dispassionate judgment is needed. Hopefully the new inquests will provide it.
Considering your opening contribution to this topic was
The Hillsborough Inquiry, despite the absurd degree of praise that it received at the time of its publication, was an appalling and unnecessary charade.
Perhaps you should review your own straw man accusations.
No bet for me, unlike last night when I couldn't believe the 1.88 on the Dutch to win when they were 1-0 up !
The inquiry was needed to look into other aspects, such as the conduct of the police and emergency services.
I agree we end this conversation, and you take the time to acquaint yourself with Matthew 7:3
There are too many racists and fellow travellers in UKIP to give me comfort that UKIP would put in place appropriate designed structures. Farage's nod to the racists in that radio interview gave me deep concern that he does not have the character to be a leader.
And I very much doubt that the baker will be convicted. You will always get radicals who will seek to exploit the laws. Based on the reporting he did not discriminate against the individual, but chose not to pipe the slogan. That should be a question of free speech.
Supporters of all parties said they would prefer to live next door to Germans than Romanians... how people can castigate Farage after that poll came to light is beyond me
As of end 2013, Presidents of ABC News, CNN, and CBS News were married or blood related i.e brother/sister to senior officials in Obama’s White House. Plus there are even more married/related people who are senior for either side of the equation.
And we worry about our politicians being too close to media barons. Imagine having the close family to the heads of the BBC, ITV and Sky News all working for Cameron.
From my knowledge the only similar situation is Cameron hiring that idiot Oliver, whose wife is a pretty lowly newsreader at the BBC.
Tell me, have you been diagnosed anhedonic?
Why Tories are so passionate about Thatcher and the Falklands war, I have never understood. From what I remember, the Thatcher government cut back protection of the Falklands and the Argentinians invaded. Then the government put together a fleet of ships to get them back and after a difficult mission ( which nearly failed), we had lost 255 of are armed forces, with hundreds made disabled for the rest of their lifes.
On a slightly different note, this morning newspaper allegations that the Thatcher government covered up for child abusers within their ranks, might challenge even Thatcher fanatics to still think of her government in a good light, IF the allegations are true. If there is any truth to the allegations and this is revealed prior to May 2015, I would not want to be a Tory candidate in a marginal constituency. It will affect them, even if this happened 30 years ago.
Also, I bet your bottom dollar is Vince's mass of ideas were constantly getting shot down we would hear about it. It isn't exactly unknown that he likes to make sure his opinions are well known by friendly journalists.
Because he quite deliberately made a unpleasant remark that nodded towards racism.
A leader should help us achieve our best, not pander to the worst.
Labour shortlist for Salford and Eccles: Rebecca Long Bailey (solicitor, backed by Unite, Salford Mayor and former council leader, from Cheshire), Sue Pugh (local Cllr, wife of NEC member), Sophie Taylor (Trafford Cllr)
A leader should help us achieve our best, not pander to the worst.
No he didn't, he was asked who he would rather live next door to and he answered in the way that most of the country, no matter who they vote for, would have
No need for the grandiose statements, get over yourself
No wonder I hate him.