Not a good Daily Mail front page tomorrow for the PM – politicalbetting.com
Not a good Daily Mail front page tomorrow for the PM – politicalbetting.com
Increasingly over the past week or so it has been the Mail that appears to have the most negative coverage of Mr. Johnson. Above is the latest for tomorrow’s paper.
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Any particular reason the Mail has suddenly turned on him, lockdown fatigue?0
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I wonder how many on the left will feign that they like, appreciate and trust the Daily Heil now it is saying something that suits their agenda?
It will be good for democracy if the Tories have a great election next week and it shows that the days of newspaper editors wielding tremendous power and influence are well and truly behind us.1 -
I have said it before and I’ll say it again: he is unfit for high office.2
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The Editor hates Boris. He's had it in for him for years.dodrade said:Any particular reason the Mail has suddenly turned on him, lockdown fatigue?
The Mail's been running critical front pages against him since the new Editor was appointed. Before then when he was the Sunday Editor the Sunday paper did the same thing. Worth remembering in 2016 the Mail on Sunday, then under the Editorship of the Mail's new Editor, backed Remain not Leave at the Referendum.1 -
The reason I post "test" or whatever is to enable me to provide a link to the post on TwitterBenpointer said:
Works!MikeSmithson said:Test
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I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.0
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Of the header the only thing that really has the potential to damage him is the bodies quote. The rest just strikes as being there to keep the story going/fleshed out.0
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Check out end of previous thred, for my brilliant insights re: US redistricting!1
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Looks like LAB winning everything next week
Especially Hartlepool
Keir moving into No 10 soon!0 -
INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/0 -
And we thought you were just marking your territory, like an old tom cat!MikeSmithson said:
The reason I post "test" or whatever is to enable me to provide a link to the post on TwitterBenpointer said:
Works!MikeSmithson said:Test
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LBJ's quote on Hoover comes to mind.MaxPB said:I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.
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The link brought me straight here which is good as in the past it has taken me to a gambling site unrelated to this one.MikeSmithson said:
The reason I post "test" or whatever is to enable me to provide a link to the post on TwitterBenpointer said:
Works!MikeSmithson said:Test
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No, Gove doesn't bring anything to the table now. He's also been completely captured by the lockdown and zero COVID ultras. He's the one pushing all of the vaccine passport to get into a pub crap.Philip_Thompson said:
LBJ's quote on Hoover comes to mind.MaxPB said:I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.
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Is he another one of Carrie's very special (advisor) friends?MaxPB said:I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.
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Two possibilities:MaxPB said:I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.
First is to keep friends close but enemies closer. He's different to Hunt et al, who pose no risk to BoJo at all.
Second is that Gove, awful as he his, can run things. Normally, that wouldn't make him worth the trouble- but in a cabinet this weak, that makes him pretty indespensible.1 -
'Gone native'. That sort of BS needs to die a death. Absolutely unnecessary and inexcusable. Though it does seem like they know that now? Any reports recently seem to suggest it will be for international travel only?MaxPB said:
No, Gove doesn't bring anything to the table now. He's also been completely captured by the lockdown and zero COVID ultras. He's the one pushing all of the vaccine passport to get into a pub crap.Philip_Thompson said:
LBJ's quote on Hoover comes to mind.MaxPB said:I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.
The irony is that it could have perhaps been useful if we'd launched it in March similar to Israel's scheme launched in February. But its both useless, crap and authoritarian. Terrible idea, nuke it from orbit.0 -
I remember now, it was weird how it would be pro-brexit during the week under Dacre then suddenly turn into a remain paper on sundays.Philip_Thompson said:
The Editor hates Boris. He's had it in for him for years.dodrade said:Any particular reason the Mail has suddenly turned on him, lockdown fatigue?
The Mail's been running critical front pages against him since the new Editor was appointed. Before then when he was the Sunday Editor the Sunday paper did the same thing. Worth remembering in 2016 the Mail on Sunday, then under the Editorship of the Mail's new Editor, backed Remain not Leave at the Referendum.
Don't see where the "Bodies" story goes from here, an on the record denial Vs anonymous "confirmations". In a courtroom Boris would have to be given the benefit of the doubt but the damage is done even if it could be proven untrue.
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That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.0 -
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.0 -
Greens, FDP and Linke all up on that poll, CDU/CSU well down, AfD and SPD unchangedAndy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/0 -
I suspect we won't be hearing too much about vaccine passports for domestic purposes going forward...Philip_Thompson said:
'Gone native'. That sort of BS needs to die a death. Absolutely unnecessary and inexcusable. Though it does seem like they know that now? Any reports recently seem to suggest it will be for international travel only?MaxPB said:
No, Gove doesn't bring anything to the table now. He's also been completely captured by the lockdown and zero COVID ultras. He's the one pushing all of the vaccine passport to get into a pub crap.Philip_Thompson said:
LBJ's quote on Hoover comes to mind.MaxPB said:I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.
The irony is that it could have perhaps been useful if we'd launched it in March similar to Israel's scheme launched in February. But its both useless, crap and authoritarian. Terrible idea, nuke it from orbit.2 -
In the interests of consistency, wouldn't that mean he would also have to sack himself too?MaxPB said:I don't understand why Boris doesn't fire Gove. He's a completely untrustworthy.
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A week is a long time in politics.1
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The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.0 -
Yes, the FDP are up from 10% at the 2017 election to 12% now, clearly many right of centre voters angry that Laschet was picked as Union chancellor candidate over Soder are protesting by voting FDP while not affecting the coalition outcome potential as the FDP are the CDU's natural alliesrcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.0 -
Hilarious! If you wanted to be believed who would choose Gove as their cornerman!
Oh dear! They're now calling it money laundering!
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True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.0 -
This is delightfully fucked up: https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/26/22403627/china-censored-chloe-zhao-oscars-nomadland-social-media-posts1
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This is appalling from the EU and will guarantee no company develops a vaccine at cost in the future.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1386784309823082500?s=20
What fun!
Whose reputation is going to be damaged long-term do we think?
I have a view.
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Greens plus Union is polling as the most popular option.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
I agree more likely if the Union edge it and get to keep the Chancellorship.
Green SPD Linke is the governing coalition in 3 Lander, so not impossible. But, I agree the SPD wouldn't go for that easily.1 -
Might there be possibility of "rotating chancellors" under a Black-Green coalition IF both sides are roughly equal? With CDU/CSU getting the high chair for part of the term, then Greens for the rest (or visa versa).dixiedean said:
Greens plus Union is polling as the most popular option.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
I agree more likely if the Union edge it and get to keep the Chancellorship.
Green SPD Linke is the governing coalition in 3 Lander, so not impossible. But, I agree the SPD wouldn't go for that easily.
That's what they've got right now in Republic of Ireland with Fianna Fail & Fine Gael0 -
HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
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In Germany today, who do you think is funding die Linke?
My guess is either Putin or CDU? Or maybe both!
Reckon Vlad is also bankrolling AfD?0 -
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
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Interesting that the latest German constituency poll had CDU/CSU winning 198 of 299 constituencies. A FPTP landslide!
And the Greens level with SPD on 42 apiece.0 -
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters1 -
If the Greens are largest party then Green SPD Linke is the likeliest option and the CDU/CSU will go into opposition for the first time since 2005, likely with a move to the right after the humilation for the centrist Laschet wing that would come from losing power and first placedixiedean said:
Greens plus Union is polling as the most popular option.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
I agree more likely if the Union edge it and get to keep the Chancellorship.
Green SPD Linke is the governing coalition in 3 Lander, so not impossible. But, I agree the SPD wouldn't go for that easily.0 -
Not impossible. But I would be surprised if it is very close in the end.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Might there be possibility of "rotating chancellors" under a Black-Green coalition IF both sides are roughly equal? With CDU/CSU getting the high chair for part of the term, then Greens for the rest (or visa versa).dixiedean said:
Greens plus Union is polling as the most popular option.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
I agree more likely if the Union edge it and get to keep the Chancellorship.
Green SPD Linke is the governing coalition in 3 Lander, so not impossible. But, I agree the SPD wouldn't go for that easily.
That's what they've got right now in Republic of Ireland with Fianna Fail & Fine Gael
I think we are at the floor for the Union. The Greens near their ceiling.0 -
Us Labour supporters are well aware of that and grateful for it; we need all the time we can get.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters6 -
On a point of order, Astra Zeneca didn't develop the vaccine at all. It was developed by the University of Oxford, and one of the conditions of licensing was that it was sold at cost.CarlottaVance said:This is appalling from the EU and will guarantee no company develops a vaccine at cost in the future.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1386784309823082500?s=20
What fun!
Whose reputation is going to be damaged long-term do we think?
I have a view.
https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status/1386784633409396736?s=200 -
Yes, though, even with the dire polling for FF, there's a suspicion that they might collapse the coalition when it comes time for them to hand back the position of Taoiseach to FG. So the rotation may not happen in practice.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Might there be possibility of "rotating chancellors" under a Black-Green coalition IF both sides are roughly equal? With CDU/CSU getting the high chair for part of the term, then Greens for the rest (or visa versa).dixiedean said:
Greens plus Union is polling as the most popular option.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
I agree more likely if the Union edge it and get to keep the Chancellorship.
Green SPD Linke is the governing coalition in 3 Lander, so not impossible. But, I agree the SPD wouldn't go for that easily.
That's what they've got right now in Republic of Ireland with Fianna Fail & Fine Gael0 -
Same thing happened in Israel didn't it?LostPassword said:
Yes, though, even with the dire polling for FF, there's a suspicion that they might collapse the coalition when it comes time for them to hand back the position of Taoiseach to FG. So the rotation may not happen in practice.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Might there be possibility of "rotating chancellors" under a Black-Green coalition IF both sides are roughly equal? With CDU/CSU getting the high chair for part of the term, then Greens for the rest (or visa versa).dixiedean said:
Greens plus Union is polling as the most popular option.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
I agree more likely if the Union edge it and get to keep the Chancellorship.
Green SPD Linke is the governing coalition in 3 Lander, so not impossible. But, I agree the SPD wouldn't go for that easily.
That's what they've got right now in Republic of Ireland with Fianna Fail & Fine Gael1 -
Surely that would lead to an election?LostPassword said:
Yes, though, even with the dire polling for FF, there's a suspicion that they might collapse the coalition when it comes time for them to hand back the position of Taoiseach to FG. So the rotation may not happen in practice.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Might there be possibility of "rotating chancellors" under a Black-Green coalition IF both sides are roughly equal? With CDU/CSU getting the high chair for part of the term, then Greens for the rest (or visa versa).dixiedean said:
Greens plus Union is polling as the most popular option.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
I agree more likely if the Union edge it and get to keep the Chancellorship.
Green SPD Linke is the governing coalition in 3 Lander, so not impossible. But, I agree the SPD wouldn't go for that easily.
That's what they've got right now in Republic of Ireland with Fianna Fail & Fine Gael
At which FF would receive their arses on a silver platter? Are they that stupid?
Oh. Wait.0 -
"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."0 -
I think Mr Newson has been fortunate: CV19 cases are among the lowest in the US, life is returning to normal in CA, vaccine uptake is very high relative to (say) Mississippi, and I think he'll walk the recall election.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."
If this had happened last November, he'd have been in real trouble.0 -
Recall elections like this are dumb. I think there should be a pretty high bar before one is allowed.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."0 -
I suspect he will get away with this, he always does. However it was quite wonderful to see the scoundrel squirm as he cringeingly denied the "bodies piled high" remark, and then quickly changed the subject.BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
Any previous PM would be on the verge of falling on his or her sword after the revelations of the last few days. But we still love the old rascal, however tall his stories. Funny old thing, democracy.0 -
Ummm... do you not remember cash-for-honours and Bernie Eccelstone and New Labour?Mexicanpete said:
I suspect he will get away with this, he always does. However it was quite wonderful to see the scoundrel squirm as he cringeingly denied the "bodies piled high" remark, and then quickly changed the subject.BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
Any previous PM would be on the verge of falling on his or her sword after the revelations of the last few days. But we still love the old rascal, however tall his stories. Funny old thing, democracy.
(Holy cr&p, Bernie is 90 years old.)1 -
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?7 -
Maybe any former PM except Blair, another scoundrel! Having said that Ecclestone's million would hang around Blair's neck all the way to 2007, and I am not sure Blair would have survived had Ecclestone, WMDs and cash for honours all been revealed over the same weekend.rcs1000 said:
Ummm... do you not remember cash-for-honours and Bernie Eccelstone and New Labour?Mexicanpete said:
I suspect he will get away with this, he always does. However it was quite wonderful to see the scoundrel squirm as he cringeingly denied the "bodies piled high" remark, and then quickly changed the subject.BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
Any previous PM would be on the verge of falling on his or her sword after the revelations of the last few days. But we still love the old rascal, however tall his stories. Funny old thing, democracy.
(Holy cr&p, Bernie is 90 years old.)0 -
Regarding Die Linke. They have a libertarian caucus whose leaders' names are 3 of my favourite activities.SeaShantyIrish2 said:In Germany today, who do you think is funding die Linke?
My guess is either Putin or CDU? Or maybe both!
Reckon Vlad is also bankrolling AfD?
Lay, Bonk and Kipping.5 -
Isn't he alleged to have said it after the lockdown was agreed?NickPalmer said:
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?0 -
I'm not sure you can write off Caitlyn Jenner.rcs1000 said:
I think Mr Newson has been fortunate: CV19 cases are among the lowest in the US, life is returning to normal in CA, vaccine uptake is very high relative to (say) Mississippi, and I think he'll walk the recall election.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."
If this had happened last November, he'd have been in real trouble.0 -
...and your point is?RobD said:
Isn't he alleged to have said it after the lockdown was agreed?NickPalmer said:
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?
My understanding is the foolish and very insensitive remark was made in a fit of pique at having lost the argument over lockdowns. I don't consider anyone believes Johnson uttered the words (assuming he uttered them at all) with any malice aforethought, however it is the insensitivity which will hurt.1 -
Strewth. That would annoy all the right people on both sides.williamglenn said:
I'm not sure you can write off Caitlyn Jenner.rcs1000 said:
I think Mr Newson has been fortunate: CV19 cases are among the lowest in the US, life is returning to normal in CA, vaccine uptake is very high relative to (say) Mississippi, and I think he'll walk the recall election.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."
If this had happened last November, he'd have been in real trouble.1 -
That poll points to an unworkable stalemate.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
Would that political insecurity bad for Germany be great for Brexit Britain?
I think yes. I think Boris is one of the luckiest politicians ever.
Add to the imminent very weak Germany, the EU is under weak leadership lost on Ireland. The Scots Nats may box themselves in calling a referendum they lose badly.
Tory party funding painter and decorator in a flat insignificant compared to everything moving his way.0 -
That he allegedly said it after enacting a policy of doing precisely the opposite of what is claimed.Mexicanpete said:
...and your point is?RobD said:
Isn't he alleged to have said it after the lockdown was agreed?NickPalmer said:
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?
My understanding is the foolish and very insensitive remark was made in a fit of pique at having lost the argument over lockdowns. I don't consider anyone believes Johnson uttered the words (assuming he uttered them at all) with any malice aforethought, however it is the insensitivity which will hurt.0 -
Too many implied double negatives for me to get my head around after midnight. Good night.RobD said:
That he allegedly said it after enacting a policy of doing precisely the opposite of what is claimed.Mexicanpete said:
...and your point is?RobD said:
Isn't he alleged to have said it after the lockdown was agreed?NickPalmer said:
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?
My understanding is the foolish and very insensitive remark was made in a fit of pique at having lost the argument over lockdowns. I don't consider anyone believes Johnson uttered the words (assuming he uttered them at all) with any malice aforethought, however it is the insensitivity which will hurt.0 -
Nick said he said the remark and then followed policies that led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands. That's simply not true.Mexicanpete said:
Too many implied double negatives for me to get my head around after midnight. Good night.RobD said:
That he allegedly said it after enacting a policy of doing precisely the opposite of what is claimed.Mexicanpete said:
...and your point is?RobD said:
Isn't he alleged to have said it after the lockdown was agreed?NickPalmer said:
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?
My understanding is the foolish and very insensitive remark was made in a fit of pique at having lost the argument over lockdowns. I don't consider anyone believes Johnson uttered the words (assuming he uttered them at all) with any malice aforethought, however it is the insensitivity which will hurt.1 -
I think we are all missing the point. What is powerful about Boris is not what is said, but who he is saying it to. He didn’t say it to a room full of scientists thinking it crazy not to have the second lock down, he said it to delegation of back benchers uncomfortable about the hit on businesses in their constituency’s.RobD said:
That he allegedly said it after enacting a policy of doing precisely the opposite of what is claimed.Mexicanpete said:
...and your point is?RobD said:
Isn't he alleged to have said it after the lockdown was agreed?NickPalmer said:
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?
My understanding is the foolish and very insensitive remark was made in a fit of pique at having lost the argument over lockdowns. I don't consider anyone believes Johnson uttered the words (assuming he uttered them at all) with any malice aforethought, however it is the insensitivity which will hurt.
You don’t get anyone into bed telling them what they don’t want to hear.
The only thing that matters under Boris is all the right things happen. It’s an active, effective government.
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Back benchers? I thought it was after a meeting of a cabinet sub-committee on covid had wrapped up?gealbhan said:
I think we are all missing the point. What is powerful about Boris is not what is said, but who he is saying it to. He didn’t say it to a room full of scientists thinking it crazy not to have the second lock down, he said it to delegation of back benchers uncomfortable about the hit on businesses in their constituency’s.RobD said:
That he allegedly said it after enacting a policy of doing precisely the opposite of what is claimed.Mexicanpete said:
...and your point is?RobD said:
Isn't he alleged to have said it after the lockdown was agreed?NickPalmer said:
Indeed. Whether it's a LONG time to a change of PM is a more open question. My MP (Jeremy Hunt) would, I suspect, think that an interesting question.londonpubman said:
All the LAB supporters on here need to know and understand that it is a LONG time to the next General Election...BluestBlue said:
It's really going to piss you off when he gets away with this, isn't it?IanB2 said:HEADLINES 27 April:
Metro: Slurry of sleaze
Mail: Boris on the ropes
Express: Boris denies ‘let bodies pile high’ outburst
Times: Johnson ‘said he would let COVID rip” in lockdown row
Star: [Boris]- My pants are NOT on fire..
Telegraph: PM fights to move on from leaks row
Mirror: Now three people say Johnson raged ‘let bodies pile high’
Guardian: Pressure on Johnson after claim of slur on COVID dead
i: Boris tainted by sleaze, say voters
As for BluestBlue's thoughts, I can be as partisan as the next man, but I'm not sure I'd joke about someone I liked allegedly talking blithely about tolerating thousands of bodies and then following policies that led to precisely that. It's not really just a game. If he didn't say it, fine. If he did, are you OK with it, BB?
My understanding is the foolish and very insensitive remark was made in a fit of pique at having lost the argument over lockdowns. I don't consider anyone believes Johnson uttered the words (assuming he uttered them at all) with any malice aforethought, however it is the insensitivity which will hurt.
You don’t get anyone into bed telling them what they don’t want to hear.
The only thing that matters under Boris is all the right things happen. It’s an active, effective government.0 -
No, I'm pretty sure you can write off Caitlin Jenner.williamglenn said:
I'm not sure you can write off Caitlyn Jenner.rcs1000 said:
I think Mr Newson has been fortunate: CV19 cases are among the lowest in the US, life is returning to normal in CA, vaccine uptake is very high relative to (say) Mississippi, and I think he'll walk the recall election.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."
If this had happened last November, he'd have been in real trouble.5 -
I've always said there's no government like no government. Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have always prospered most with weak or non-existent governments, and it's only when they've had the smack of strong leadership that things have gone particularly badly.gealbhan said:
That poll points to an unworkable stalemate.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
Would that political insecurity bad for Germany be great for Brexit Britain?
I think yes. I think Boris is one of the luckiest politicians ever.
Add to the imminent very weak Germany, the EU is under weak leadership lost on Ireland. The Scots Nats may box themselves in calling a referendum they lose badly.
Tory party funding painter and decorator in a flat insignificant compared to everything moving his way.2 -
Except the trains.rcs1000 said:
I've always said there's no government like no government. Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have always prospered most with weak or non-existent governments, and it's only when they've had the smack of strong leadership that things have gone particularly badly.gealbhan said:
That poll points to an unworkable stalemate.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
Would that political insecurity bad for Germany be great for Brexit Britain?
I think yes. I think Boris is one of the luckiest politicians ever.
Add to the imminent very weak Germany, the EU is under weak leadership lost on Ireland. The Scots Nats may box themselves in calling a referendum they lose badly.
Tory party funding painter and decorator in a flat insignificant compared to everything moving his way.0 -
True. It occurs to me that most of Blair's bad decisions may not have been made if he hadn't had a majority of either 179 or 167, whereas the good things he did probably would have happened no matter how small his majority had been. (Too many negatives in that sentence).rcs1000 said:
I've always said there's no government like no government. Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have always prospered most with weak or non-existent governments, and it's only when they've had the smack of strong leadership that things have gone particularly badly.gealbhan said:
That poll points to an unworkable stalemate.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
Would that political insecurity bad for Germany be great for Brexit Britain?
I think yes. I think Boris is one of the luckiest politicians ever.
Add to the imminent very weak Germany, the EU is under weak leadership lost on Ireland. The Scots Nats may box themselves in calling a referendum they lose badly.
Tory party funding painter and decorator in a flat insignificant compared to everything moving his way.1 -
This is probably one of those "high ice cream sales leads to more drownings near the beach" scenarios that was being discussed earlier.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9513973/At-1-500-people-complain-developed-ringing-ears-vaccine.html
"The patients who blame their tinnitis on Covid jab: At least 1,500 people complain that they developed ringing in the ears after their vaccine"1 -
I am only slightly less likely to be the first person to have lived in Sleepy Hollow, NY, to become governor of California than Caitlin Jenner, and I'm not even running.rcs1000 said:
No, I'm pretty sure you can write off Caitlin Jenner.williamglenn said:
I'm not sure you can write off Caitlyn Jenner.rcs1000 said:
I think Mr Newson has been fortunate: CV19 cases are among the lowest in the US, life is returning to normal in CA, vaccine uptake is very high relative to (say) Mississippi, and I think he'll walk the recall election.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."
If this had happened last November, he'd have been in real trouble.0 -
That’s almost like saying mistakes are born out of triumph, whilst greater the weakness greater the caution.rcs1000 said:
I've always said there's no government like no government. Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have always prospered most with weak or non-existent governments, and it's only when they've had the smack of strong leadership that things have gone particularly badly.gealbhan said:
That poll points to an unworkable stalemate.Philip_Thompson said:
True, true. Which again is very good news.rcs1000 said:
The FDP has also done well from the collapse of the CDU/CSU - don't forget they missed the 5% threshold not that long ago.Philip_Thompson said:
I've got a bet from years ago with someone here (Max I think?) that Linke and AfD combined will be sub-35%dixiedean said:
That's 2 Union 2 Green and one tie from the last five. After years of Union leads.Andy_JS said:INSA opinion poll:
CDU/CSU 23%
Greens 23%
SPD 16%
FDP 12%
Afd 12%
Linke 8%
Others 6%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Enough to declare something has changed.
Linke and AfD stable.
That's looking pretty certain now in my eyes. The collapse away from the SPD and CDU seems to have all gone to the Greens instead of Linke or AfD. Which is good for Germany in my opinion.
Had 35-40% of Germany backed Linke or AfD then proper governance would have become nigh on impossible.
I'm curious what form of coalition will come out of the negotiations in the end, considering the SPD really don't want to be junior partners again, and if the Greens come first neither probably do the CDU.
Green + [either CDU/CSU or SPD] + FDP would be my guess. Strange rainbow.
Would that political insecurity bad for Germany be great for Brexit Britain?
I think yes. I think Boris is one of the luckiest politicians ever.
Add to the imminent very weak Germany, the EU is under weak leadership lost on Ireland. The Scots Nats may box themselves in calling a referendum they lose badly.
Tory party funding painter and decorator in a flat insignificant compared to everything moving his way.
In reality though, a government with weak numbers in a parliament and in coalition with parties who don’t share views and hobby horses are likely to avoid or fudge the big or more contentious decisions. Logically this will mean drift. Stagnation even?1 -
That’s almost like saying mistakes are born out of triumph, whilst greater the weakness greater the caution.
In reality though, a government with weak numbers in a parliament and in coalition with parties who don’t share views and hobby horses are likely to avoid or fudge the big or more contentious decisions. Logically this will mean drift. Stagnation even?
Or it can mean unnecessary vanity projects, wars and corruption as an untrammelled executive enriches themselves and their friends at the expense of joe public with little to stop them0 -
Two sources who claim Boris Johnson did say he would rather have ‘bodies pile high in their thousands’ than implement a third lockdown are prepared to speak publicly.
If the prime minister continues to deny it, they will speak under oath, says @Peston
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-26/robert-peston-boris-johnson-did-make-bodies-pile-high-in-their-thousands-comment https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1386793997788663809/video/10 -
California voters will have TWO voting opportunities on their recall ballot:rcs1000 said:
No, I'm pretty sure you can write off Caitlin Jenner.williamglenn said:
I'm not sure you can write off Caitlyn Jenner.rcs1000 said:
I think Mr Newson has been fortunate: CV19 cases are among the lowest in the US, life is returning to normal in CA, vaccine uptake is very high relative to (say) Mississippi, and I think he'll walk the recall election.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."
If this had happened last November, he'd have been in real trouble.
1) should Gov. Gavin Newsom be removed from office?
2) if so, who should replace him?
Note that #2 is operative ONLY if #1 receives a majority of votes cast on that question. In that case, top vote-getter wins.
So for Caitlyn Jenner to be elected Governor, she needs to NOT ONLY get the most votes on #2, she first needs majority of voters to vote to recall. Without that, does NOT matter how many votes she (or anyone else) gets.0 -
So what's the deal with supposed tape of BoJo's alleged remarks?Scott_xP said:Two sources who claim Boris Johnson did say he would rather have ‘bodies pile high in their thousands’ than implement a third lockdown are prepared to speak publicly.
If the prime minister continues to deny it, they will speak under oath, says @Peston
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-26/robert-peston-boris-johnson-did-make-bodies-pile-high-in-their-thousands-comment https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1386793997788663809/video/1
Without that, still just they say versus he denies, regardless of how many politicos swear on a stack of Bibles.0 -
Did you ever win an Olympic gold medal? OR get your picture on a box of Wheaties?? Or have a sex-change operation???rpjs said:
I am only slightly less likely to be the first person to have lived in Sleepy Hollow, NY, to become governor of California than Caitlin Jenner, and I'm not even running.rcs1000 said:
No, I'm pretty sure you can write off Caitlin Jenner.williamglenn said:
I'm not sure you can write off Caitlyn Jenner.rcs1000 said:
I think Mr Newson has been fortunate: CV19 cases are among the lowest in the US, life is returning to normal in CA, vaccine uptake is very high relative to (say) Mississippi, and I think he'll walk the recall election.williamglenn said:"@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: California Secretary of State announces the signature threshold for recalling Gavin Newsom has been met. Election to be held later this year."
If this had happened last November, he'd have been in real trouble.
Thought not.
Though IF you took up pole vaulting, am guessing you still have a pole to vault!0 -
My god! I've been jabbed AND I've got tinnitis!Andy_JS said:This is probably one of those "high ice cream sales leads to more drownings near the beach" scenarios that was being discussed earlier.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9513973/At-1-500-people-complain-developed-ringing-ears-vaccine.html
"The patients who blame their tinnitis on Covid jab: At least 1,500 people complain that they developed ringing in the ears after their vaccine"
Only thing I cannot figure out, is how the damn vaccine made my ears rinng YEARS before I actually got my two jabs????3 -
Anecdotal stories from India hospitals that Remdesivir isn't helping much against their local variant.0
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Disappointing.FrancisUrquhart said:Anecdotal stories from India hospitals that Remdesivir isn't helping much against their local variant.
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Does the Downing Street wallpaper thing (ie 58,000 `loaned' to the PM) actually cut through with voters...? I am genuinely unsure0
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More than disappointing, worrying.....its no magic bullet, but it has saved loads of lives.Andy_JS said:
Disappointing.FrancisUrquhart said:Anecdotal stories from India hospitals that Remdesivir isn't helping much against their local variant.
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USA and UK vaccination doses per population are neck and neck right now.0
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Way things are going, UK will be overtaking Israel shortly as it is seems Israel have run out of people who want to be jabbed.Pulpstar said:USA and UK vaccination doses per population are neck and neck right now.
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Their uptake is better than it might first look. We're 8.5 million first (For our pop) doses behind themFrancisUrquhart said:
Way things are going, UK will be overtaking Israel shortly as it is seems Israel have run out of people who want to be jabbed.Pulpstar said:USA and UK vaccination doses per population are neck and neck right now.
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They also have far more kids than we do, so their maximum percentage of the population is lower than us.FrancisUrquhart said:
Way things are going, UK will be overtaking Israel shortly as it is seems Israel have run out of people who want to be jabbed.Pulpstar said:USA and UK vaccination doses per population are neck and neck right now.
I believe Israel is at around 77% of adults jabbed - the vast, vast majority of whom have been double-jabbed. We probably won't be at that level of adults double jabbed until late June or July, given the long time gaps with the AZ vaccine.0 -
What's interesting is that some states (like California and NY) are still going great guns, while others (like Mississippi or Alabama) are really slowing down. Some of the Southern States look like they might get marooned in the mid-30s - which is shocking really.Pulpstar said:USA and UK vaccination doses per population are neck and neck right now.
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Epidemiologically or socially?rcs1000 said:
What's interesting is that some states (like California and NY) are still going great guns, while others (like Mississippi or Alabama) are really slowing down. Some of the Southern States look like they might get marooned in the mid-30s - which is shocking really.Pulpstar said:USA and UK vaccination doses per population are neck and neck right now.
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Goodness me we’ve approached tiresome silly season in the British media haven’t we.
SCANDAL: Political party pays for redecoration of official residence so it doesn’t fall on the taxpayer!!
DISGRACE: Unnamed sources disclose that man who nearly dies of covid still retains balance when assessing pros and cons of lockdown!!
If this is the best that long standing enemies can come up with after a year long cease fire, it only serves to show the PM has successfully navigated the choppy waters of both Brexit and the catastrophe of Covid. These are bulllets that would bounce off the Marshmellow Man, much less the Terminator.
If Gove is behind the briefing (Mail links suggest he might be), he will be out of government by Christmas is my guess.3 -
Given they took it through clinical trials, and into bulk manufacturing, it would be completely inaccurate to say they didn’t develop it.rcs1000 said:
On a point of order, Astra Zeneca didn't develop the vaccine at all. It was developed by the University of Oxford, and one of the conditions of licensing was that it was sold at cost.CarlottaVance said:This is appalling from the EU and will guarantee no company develops a vaccine at cost in the future.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1386784309823082500?s=20
What fun!
Whose reputation is going to be damaged long-term do we think?
I have a view.
https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status/1386784633409396736?s=20
Someone else invented it, sure.2 -
More accounts of the myocarditis side effect associated with Pfizer vaccine.
https://twitter.com/MarcusReports/status/1386787809751715845
Note that it is pretty rare, and in the vast majority of cases resolves without problems, and pretty rapidly.
It’s important people are aware of it, since any vigorous exercise while you’ve got the condition can cause permanent heart damage. (Same reason you shouldn’t exercise if you’ve got a fever - it’s a condition which occurs in around 10% of flu cases, for example.)0 -
"......And yet, a lot of senior government figures seem to take genuine pleasure in pointing at the polls and excusing any amount of obviously questionable behaviour as “just Boris being Boris”. They’re seemingly incapable of grasping that the entire executive taking on the character of this amoral and discipline-free man will end very badly indeed. It is precisely Johnson’s lack of discipline and moral courage that has resulted in this country having both the highest Covid death toll in Europe and the most unnecessarily long economic shutdown and loss of essential freedoms. Gloating that the voters don’t think they deserve better will not be the recipe for a great British future."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/23/boris-johnsons-text-addiction-dominic-cummings
Too angry to be funny but who isn't.......0 -
The story is not who paid, but Johnson not declaring it. In previous governments this has been a resignation matter. Ask Peter Mandelson. But it is undoubtedly true that standards have so slipped under Johnson that at a time when economic optimism is soaring on the back of a highly successful vaccine roll-out this episode will have no effect on anything. Had the story broken at the start of the year, when the government and the PM were far less popular, it would probably have been a very different matter.moonshine said:Goodness me we’ve approached tiresome silly season in the British media haven’t we.
SCANDAL: Political party pays for redecoration of official residence so it doesn’t fall on the taxpayer!!
DISGRACE: Unnamed sources disclose that man who nearly dies of covid still retains balance when assessing pros and cons of lockdown!!
If this is the best that long standing enemies can come up with after a year long cease fire, it only serves to show the PM has successfully navigated the choppy waters of both Brexit and the catastrophe of Covid. These are bulllets that would bounce off the Marshmellow Man, much less the Terminator.
If Gove is behind the briefing (Mail links suggest he might be), he will be out of government by Christmas is my guess.
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Nope.swing_voter said:Does the Downing Street wallpaper thing (ie 58,000 `loaned' to the PM) actually cut through with voters...? I am genuinely unsure
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Shame they didn’t go for whitewash though. Imagine the punning opportunities.SouthamObserver said:
Nope.swing_voter said:Does the Downing Street wallpaper thing (ie 58,000 `loaned' to the PM) actually cut through with voters...? I am genuinely unsure
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That Johnson is a liar will not be news to anyone. The only attack that will work is convincing the thicko Johnson lovers-well represented on here-that it mattersScott_xP said:Two sources who claim Boris Johnson did say he would rather have ‘bodies pile high in their thousands’ than implement a third lockdown are prepared to speak publicly.
If the prime minister continues to deny it, they will speak under oath, says @Peston
https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-26/robert-peston-boris-johnson-did-make-bodies-pile-high-in-their-thousands-comment https://twitter.com/ITVNewsPolitics/status/1386793997788663809/video/10 -
Of course Johnson will get away with this. I genuinely do not understand how anyone can think otherwise. Take a step back and look at the reality of what the Tory-leaning part of the population is seeing and experiencing at the moment:
* A hugely successful vaccine roll-out.
* The permanent easing of the lockdown after a long, hard 14 months.
* A furlough scheme protecting working age incomes.
* The triple lock protecting the incomes of retirees.
* Rising house prices.
On the back of all of this, economic optimism is soaring in a way it hasn't done for years, decades even.
Does anyone seriously believe that a bout of who said what and he should have declared that is going to have any impact on the national mood or voting intentions? It is an absurd proposition.2 -
Fair point.Nigelb said:
Given they took it through clinical trials, and into bulk manufacturing, it would be completely inaccurate to say they didn’t develop it.rcs1000 said:
On a point of order, Astra Zeneca didn't develop the vaccine at all. It was developed by the University of Oxford, and one of the conditions of licensing was that it was sold at cost.CarlottaVance said:This is appalling from the EU and will guarantee no company develops a vaccine at cost in the future.
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1386784309823082500?s=20
What fun!
Whose reputation is going to be damaged long-term do we think?
I have a view.
https://twitter.com/SpinningHugo/status/1386784633409396736?s=20
Someone else invented it, sure.1
