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Indeed. Just seen that.Phil said:
Sure, but better to (attempt) to de-escalate a confrontation by moving to a securable location than to be out on the street with someone giving you aggro. Just bad luck that it turned out that the individual in question was the landlord!Anabobazina said:
That probably is the case, but then Sir Keir must have forgotten that you aren't allowed to actually go inside pubs at the moment!!Phil said:
Looks to me like the landlord was giving him verbal outside, so he and his team stepped into the pub to try and avoid a confrontation, not realising that it was his pub!Cookie said:
There's got to be more to this, surely? Wouldn't a LOTO ordinarily try to find somewhere hospitable for this sort of visit? I'm struggling to believe Keir Starmer's in the habit of getting his heavies to bully business owners into letting him in for a photo shoot.contrarian said:
That security guard is being quite heavy handed. Is it necessary?Leon said:WTF?
'Wow. Longer video here. A man who is apparently the pub landlord being assaulted because he says he doesn’t want Starmer and Dan Norris in there. Really unacceptable.'
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1384135505961394184?s=20
So then the security detail has to hold him off while Kier and the gang make their exit. You do not get in the face of the LotO like this, what did the guy think was going to happen? Non story.
Apparently the co-owner of the pub is not impressed
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I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.1 -
These fuckers are fucking themselves. They are in the most lucrative competitions in the world and they are fucking off to start a new competition. Which, medium term, will be less lucrative. It will be unable to sustain the long term interest of top level national football or Europe-wide football open to all.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
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Son who runs a bar commented he got shut down for less at weekend........contrarian said:
Maybe that's the thing though?Cookie said:
That's very funny.Pulpstar said:
Starmer clearly didn't realise he was the landlord !Cookie said:
There's got to be more to this, surely? Wouldn't a LOTO ordinarily try to find somewhere hospitable for this sort of visit? I'm struggling to believe Keir Starmer's in the habit of getting his heavies to bully business owners into letting him in for a photo shoot.contrarian said:
That security guard is being quite heavy handed. Is it necessary?Leon said:WTF?
'Wow. Longer video here. A man who is apparently the pub landlord being assaulted because he says he doesn’t want Starmer and Dan Norris in there. Really unacceptable.'
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1384135505961394184?s=20
But wouldn't these visits normally be arranged in advance? Wouldn't they try to find a business which would be reasonably happy to play along with the friendly photoshoot?
Feelings are running much higher in hospitality businesses( many of whom believe they have been scapegoated), than many politicians realise.
Giving some politico (either tory or labour) who poleaxed the industry a photo-op might be letting the side down.
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The FA has to sanction it and the government and FA agree policin policy for matches. The FA is essentially a public body so the government has a lot of leverage. They could banish those clubs to playing these matches behind closed doors losing about 11 matches worth of revenue, which is a huge sum for Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and United.RochdalePioneers said:
Surely there is a restriction of trade issue for any government attempt to dictate which competitions these clubs want to play in. They have decided to set up a rival to the UEFA Champions League. What specific action can the government take to stop them?Stuartinromford said:
Trouble is, I don't think there is a law that does that without horrible collateral damage.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
For the first time in ages, maybe ever, Boris hasn't been able to make something happen or unhappen by the pure force of his reputation.
Though it might look totally different in two hours' time.0 -
Targeting laws at particular individuals, or individual companies, is not a great thing to do.Stuartinromford said:
Trouble is, I don't think there is a law that does that without horrible collateral damage.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
For the first time in ages, maybe ever, Boris hasn't been able to make something happen or unhappen by the pure force of his reputation.
Though it might look totally different in two hours' time.3 -
If he wanted him out of his pub then maybe he shouldn’t have been blocking the only exit while sounding more and more unhinged?Taz said:
Sir Keir’s thug really had no right to restrain the landlord. He wasn’t a threat. He just wanted Starmer out of his pub and it would have been a better look for starmer to have listened and sympathised and come back with bland platitudes instead of sneering at a man who is simply worried for his business . I see labour supporters on social media are already attacking the landlordPhil said:
Looks to me like the landlord was giving him verbal outside, so he and his team stepped into the pub to try and avoid a confrontation, not realising that it was his pub!Cookie said:
There's got to be more to this, surely? Wouldn't a LOTO ordinarily try to find somewhere hospitable for this sort of visit? I'm struggling to believe Keir Starmer's in the habit of getting his heavies to bully business owners into letting him in for a photo shoot.contrarian said:
That security guard is being quite heavy handed. Is it necessary?Leon said:WTF?
'Wow. Longer video here. A man who is apparently the pub landlord being assaulted because he says he doesn’t want Starmer and Dan Norris in there. Really unacceptable.'
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1384135505961394184?s=20
So then the security detail has to hold him off while Kier and the gang make their exit. You do not get in the face of the LotO like this, what did the guy think was going to happen? Non story.
Looks to me as if the protection officer did about as well as could be expected in the circumstances: moves the guy into a space where he can put himself between him and Starmer, whilst simultaneously opening up the exit for Starmer to get out (which is exactly what the guy claimed to want!)
It would have been better all round if Starmer could have listened & sympathised, but from the video, it really doesn’t seem like the guy was very interested in that kind of exchange & was steadily winding himself up. Protection officer at that point (rightly imo) intervened to prevent a potential physical confrontation, nobody got hurt, the press got a good story for the day. Good outcome all round.1 -
Clubs have competed in both the Champions League and the Premier League for years. Clubs have competed to win both for years.AlistairM said:
They normally played their best teams in the PL. Why? To make sure they got into the European tournaments. If they no longer have to qualify then they will field weakened sides in the PL and focus where the money is - midweek ESL matches.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
You can feel the atmosphere at a midweek Liverpool European tie even watching on TV because against the big sides they were uncommon events (few times/year max). Would it be the same week-in, week-out in the ESL? I somehow doubt it, particularly if the fans boycott it.
Interesting that the one topic that stops everyone from talking about Covid is football!
Why wouldn't they compete to win the Premier League still? You're acting as if Top 4 was all the clubs competed for, that they never competed to win titles.
Once a club is out of the running for winning the League then absolutely they might field weaker squads - but they already do that too.0 -
Not to mention "restraint of trade" applies primarily to individuals rather than companies, that would be competition law, but Parliament is sovereign and can do whatever the f*ck it wants, as we've literally spent the last 5 years discussing endlessly.MaxPB said:
The FA has to sanction it and the government and FA agree policin policy for matches. The FA is essentially a public body so the government has a lot of leverage. They could banish those clubs to playing these matches behind closed doors losing about 11 matches worth of revenue, which is a huge sum for Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and United.RochdalePioneers said:
Surely there is a restriction of trade issue for any government attempt to dictate which competitions these clubs want to play in. They have decided to set up a rival to the UEFA Champions League. What specific action can the government take to stop them?Stuartinromford said:
Trouble is, I don't think there is a law that does that without horrible collateral damage.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
For the first time in ages, maybe ever, Boris hasn't been able to make something happen or unhappen by the pure force of his reputation.
Though it might look totally different in two hours' time.0 -
Labour need to get John Prescott on the airwaves pronto to reminisce about that farm hand and the egg - remind everyone of the time when politicians' battering members of the public was viewed with affection.1
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I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.0 -
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The Raven was recommended to my daughter by her university tutor - though she hasn't been able to go yet...turbotubbs said:
Its a good pub (The Raven) - a popular spot for decent beer, although not the biggest venue.felix said:
Their must be a ton of those in Bath!eek said:
Surely your typical Labour Leader needs to look at home in a vegan cafe given their current membership.Brom said:
That's really not a good look for Starmer. Labour leaders are supposed to look at home in a pub.FrancisUrquhart said:
That's an even worse look than telling him you aren't going to be lectured to.Leon said:WTF?
'Wow. Longer video here. A man who is apparently the pub landlord being assaulted because he says he doesn’t want Starmer and Dan Norris in there. Really unacceptable.'
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1384135505961394184?s=20
I am not clear did Starmer try to go into this pub unannounced, the landlord get shouty and then they had their exchange outside....or did Starmer try and go into the pub after shouty mcshouty face spoke?0 -
I’m not sure why you’re taking this position but I have to say you’re coming over as quite naive.Philip_Thompson said:
Clubs have competed in both the Champions League and the Premier League for years. Clubs have competed to win both for years.AlistairM said:
They normally played their best teams in the PL. Why? To make sure they got into the European tournaments. If they no longer have to qualify then they will field weakened sides in the PL and focus where the money is - midweek ESL matches.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
You can feel the atmosphere at a midweek Liverpool European tie even watching on TV because against the big sides they were uncommon events (few times/year max). Would it be the same week-in, week-out in the ESL? I somehow doubt it, particularly if the fans boycott it.
Interesting that the one topic that stops everyone from talking about Covid is football!
Why wouldn't they compete to win the Premier League still? You're acting as if Top 4 was all the clubs competed for, that they never competed to win titles.
Once a club is out of the running for winning the League then absolutely they might field weaker squads - but they already do that too.0 -
The quality of discourse gets ever better on PB. This really is top drawer.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
Is that the time?1 -
......The Landlord of the Raven will be live on Talk Radio with Mark Dolan this afternoon......
All we need now is Al Murray....0 -
The owners of these clubs don’t care. If they get a larger slice of a smaller pie & come out ahead, then they’ll do just that. Then they can juice the books a bit & sell the clubs into the open market for a nice fat profit & move on to the next industry.Cookie said:
These fuckers are fucking themselves. They are in the most lucrative competitions in the world and they are fucking off to start a new competition. Which, medium term, will be less lucrative. It will be unable to sustain the long term interest of top level national football or Europe-wide football open to all.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
They don’t care if they leave a smoking crater behind them - it’s just business.1 -
Quite.AlistairM said:
They normally played their best teams in the PL. Why? To make sure they got into the European tournaments. If they no longer have to qualify then they will field weakened sides in the PL and focus where the money is - midweek ESL matches.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
You can feel the atmosphere at a midweek Liverpool European tie even watching on TV because against the big sides they were uncommon events (few times/year max). Would it be the same week-in, week-out in the ESL? I somehow doubt it, particularly if the fans boycott it.
Interesting that the one topic that stops everyone from talking about Covid is football!
Once upon a time, if there was European football on, you watched it, even if it was Alex Ferguson's Manchester United and most of the time you disliked them heartily. But there is an optimum amount of European football which keeps it special. We passed that point about 20-odd years ago, and diminishing returns have set in.
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Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.1 -
So what? Nobody is saying they don't. What they're saying it will devalue the PL, which it will, because suddenly it has no real bearing to the financials of these clubs.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
There's currently an exciting race happening for 4th place. That won't exist anymore because why would Liverpool, Chelsea, or Spurs care if they finish in the top 4?1 -
Its naive to think clubs will continue to want to win the Premier League?moonshine said:
I’m not sure why you’re taking this position but I have to say you’re coming over as quite naive.Philip_Thompson said:
Clubs have competed in both the Champions League and the Premier League for years. Clubs have competed to win both for years.AlistairM said:
They normally played their best teams in the PL. Why? To make sure they got into the European tournaments. If they no longer have to qualify then they will field weakened sides in the PL and focus where the money is - midweek ESL matches.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
You can feel the atmosphere at a midweek Liverpool European tie even watching on TV because against the big sides they were uncommon events (few times/year max). Would it be the same week-in, week-out in the ESL? I somehow doubt it, particularly if the fans boycott it.
Interesting that the one topic that stops everyone from talking about Covid is football!
Why wouldn't they compete to win the Premier League still? You're acting as if Top 4 was all the clubs competed for, that they never competed to win titles.
Once a club is out of the running for winning the League then absolutely they might field weaker squads - but they already do that too.
Lets have a bet shall we - if this goes ahead with the Big 6 still in the Premier League then in the first season it goes ahead I reckon the Premier League will be won by a Big 6 club.
I'll wager £100 at evens if anyone wants to take the opposite opinion.0 -
You're completely missing the point. Completely and totally.Philip_Thompson said:
Its naive to think clubs will continue to want to win the Premier League?moonshine said:
I’m not sure why you’re taking this position but I have to say you’re coming over as quite naive.Philip_Thompson said:
Clubs have competed in both the Champions League and the Premier League for years. Clubs have competed to win both for years.AlistairM said:
They normally played their best teams in the PL. Why? To make sure they got into the European tournaments. If they no longer have to qualify then they will field weakened sides in the PL and focus where the money is - midweek ESL matches.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
You can feel the atmosphere at a midweek Liverpool European tie even watching on TV because against the big sides they were uncommon events (few times/year max). Would it be the same week-in, week-out in the ESL? I somehow doubt it, particularly if the fans boycott it.
Interesting that the one topic that stops everyone from talking about Covid is football!
Why wouldn't they compete to win the Premier League still? You're acting as if Top 4 was all the clubs competed for, that they never competed to win titles.
Once a club is out of the running for winning the League then absolutely they might field weaker squads - but they already do that too.
Lets have a bet shall we - if this goes ahead with the Big 6 still in the Premier League then in the first season it goes ahead I reckon the Premier League will be won by a Big 6 club.
I'll wager £100 at evens if anyone wants to take the opposite opinion.1 -
This is going to get very messy.Gallowgate said:https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/1384142677277437952
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@skysports_bryan
NEW: Premier League to host meeting with 14 clubs tomorrow morning. Clubs involved in proposed European Super League are not included. Meeting chaired by Richard Masters online #SSN0 -
It will damage it yes, and I've said that myself since last night. I oppose it in part for that reason.MaxPB said:
Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
But hyperbole helps nobody, it won't kill it, it will hurt it.
There's a difference between hurt and kill. Losing the race for the top 4 will hurt the League, losing the best clubs in the country will kill it as a top League.0 -
I think they will leave a medium-sized but salvageable smouldering crater behind them while marching forward into their own obliteration.Phil said:
The owners of these clubs don’t care. If they get a larger slice of a smaller pie & come out ahead, then they’ll do just that. Then they can juice the books a bit & sell the clubs into the open market for a nice fat profit & move on to the next industry.Cookie said:
These fuckers are fucking themselves. They are in the most lucrative competitions in the world and they are fucking off to start a new competition. Which, medium term, will be less lucrative. It will be unable to sustain the long term interest of top level national football or Europe-wide football open to all.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
They don’t care if they leave a smoking crater behind them - it’s just business.0 -
I don't care about it being a "top League". Why as a Newcastle fan do I care about that? All I care about is it being a fair sporting competition.Philip_Thompson said:
It will damage it yes, and I've said that myself since last night. I oppose it in part for that reason.MaxPB said:
Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
But hyperbole helps nobody, it won't kill it, it will hurt it.
There's a difference between hurt and kill. Losing the race for the top 4 will hurt the League, losing the best clubs in the country will kill it as a top League.0 -
Wow stay tuned.Floater said:
Son who runs a bar commented he got shut down for less at weekend........contrarian said:
Maybe that's the thing though?Cookie said:
That's very funny.Pulpstar said:
Starmer clearly didn't realise he was the landlord !Cookie said:
There's got to be more to this, surely? Wouldn't a LOTO ordinarily try to find somewhere hospitable for this sort of visit? I'm struggling to believe Keir Starmer's in the habit of getting his heavies to bully business owners into letting him in for a photo shoot.contrarian said:
That security guard is being quite heavy handed. Is it necessary?Leon said:WTF?
'Wow. Longer video here. A man who is apparently the pub landlord being assaulted because he says he doesn’t want Starmer and Dan Norris in there. Really unacceptable.'
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1384135505961394184?s=20
But wouldn't these visits normally be arranged in advance? Wouldn't they try to find a business which would be reasonably happy to play along with the friendly photoshoot?
Feelings are running much higher in hospitality businesses( many of whom believe they have been scapegoated), than many politicians realise.
Giving some politico (either tory or labour) who poleaxed the industry a photo-op might be letting the side down.
If this gathers momentum (publicans vs politicians) your son's experience could be newsworthy!0 -
Surely MESSI...???? Ed.MaxPB said:
This is going to get very messy.Gallowgate said:https://twitter.com/skysports_bryan/status/1384142677277437952
Bryan Swanson
@skysports_bryan
NEW: Premier League to host meeting with 14 clubs tomorrow morning. Clubs involved in proposed European Super League are not included. Meeting chaired by Richard Masters online #SSN0 -
It won't. There's much more important things going on right now.contrarian said:
Wow stay tuned.Floater said:
Son who runs a bar commented he got shut down for less at weekend........contrarian said:
Maybe that's the thing though?Cookie said:
That's very funny.Pulpstar said:
Starmer clearly didn't realise he was the landlord !Cookie said:
There's got to be more to this, surely? Wouldn't a LOTO ordinarily try to find somewhere hospitable for this sort of visit? I'm struggling to believe Keir Starmer's in the habit of getting his heavies to bully business owners into letting him in for a photo shoot.contrarian said:
That security guard is being quite heavy handed. Is it necessary?Leon said:WTF?
'Wow. Longer video here. A man who is apparently the pub landlord being assaulted because he says he doesn’t want Starmer and Dan Norris in there. Really unacceptable.'
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1384135505961394184?s=20
But wouldn't these visits normally be arranged in advance? Wouldn't they try to find a business which would be reasonably happy to play along with the friendly photoshoot?
Feelings are running much higher in hospitality businesses( many of whom believe they have been scapegoated), than many politicians realise.
Giving some politico (either tory or labour) who poleaxed the industry a photo-op might be letting the side down.
If this gathers momentum (publicans vs politicians) your son's experience could be newsworthy!0 -
I quite like @leon 's suggestion. No idea who or what he is referring to. But as a general principle with wide applicability, I'm in.Mexicanpete said:
The quality of discourse gets ever better on PB. This really is top drawer.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
Is that the time?1 -
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Which was my point about it being an unsporting closed shop!Gallowgate said:
I don't care about it being a "top League". Why as a Newcastle fan do I care about that? All I care about is it being a fair sporting competition.Philip_Thompson said:
It will damage it yes, and I've said that myself since last night. I oppose it in part for that reason.MaxPB said:
Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
But hyperbole helps nobody, it won't kill it, it will hurt it.
There's a difference between hurt and kill. Losing the race for the top 4 will hurt the League, losing the best clubs in the country will kill it as a top League.
I said that, so how is that disagreeing with me?0 -
He (the farmhand) deserved it though, even if I probably did agree with him (the farmhand). You can't go throwing eggs at politicans just because you don't like what they stand for.Stark_Dawning said:Labour need to get John Prescott on the airwaves pronto to reminisce about that farm hand and the egg - remind everyone of the time when politicians' battering members of the public was viewed with affection.
See also John Prescott's robust response to Danbert Nobacon of Chumawamba tipping a bucket of water over him at the Brits. As Prescott later apparently related to his son: "I knocked him down, and he didn't get up again."
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You miss the point spectacularly. You’re not going to get Kane or Salah playing against saints at the weekend. You’re going to get the top strikers outside of the current “big 6” turning out for those all powerful big 6 “league squad” and the clubs they came from shoved further down the pecking order. The Premier League will become a finishing school for youngsters or those returning from long term injury.Philip_Thompson said:
Its naive to think clubs will continue to want to win the Premier League?moonshine said:
I’m not sure why you’re taking this position but I have to say you’re coming over as quite naive.Philip_Thompson said:
Clubs have competed in both the Champions League and the Premier League for years. Clubs have competed to win both for years.AlistairM said:
They normally played their best teams in the PL. Why? To make sure they got into the European tournaments. If they no longer have to qualify then they will field weakened sides in the PL and focus where the money is - midweek ESL matches.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
You can feel the atmosphere at a midweek Liverpool European tie even watching on TV because against the big sides they were uncommon events (few times/year max). Would it be the same week-in, week-out in the ESL? I somehow doubt it, particularly if the fans boycott it.
Interesting that the one topic that stops everyone from talking about Covid is football!
Why wouldn't they compete to win the Premier League still? You're acting as if Top 4 was all the clubs competed for, that they never competed to win titles.
Once a club is out of the running for winning the League then absolutely they might field weaker squads - but they already do that too.
Lets have a bet shall we - if this goes ahead with the Big 6 still in the Premier League then in the first season it goes ahead I reckon the Premier League will be won by a Big 6 club.
I'll wager £100 at evens if anyone wants to take the opposite opinion.
And as has now been blurted out by one of the clubs, if the Premier League don’t like that then stuff them. We’d rather play 36 Super League games than 18 a year, we only revealed this midweek plan as an opening salvo in the PR war.2 -
Because you don't think the EPL will cease to be a "top league" if the big 6 remain whereas I wholeheartedly do.Philip_Thompson said:.
Which was my point about it being an unsporting closed shop!Gallowgate said:
I don't care about it being a "top League". Why as a Newcastle fan do I care about that? All I care about is it being a fair sporting competition.Philip_Thompson said:
It will damage it yes, and I've said that myself since last night. I oppose it in part for that reason.MaxPB said:
Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
But hyperbole helps nobody, it won't kill it, it will hurt it.
There's a difference between hurt and kill. Losing the race for the top 4 will hurt the League, losing the best clubs in the country will kill it as a top League.
I said that, so how is that disagreeing with me?2 -
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How can the EPL be a top league if it no longer has the countries top clubs?Gallowgate said:
Because you don't think the EPL will cease to be a "top league" if the big 6 remain whereas I wholeheartedly do.Philip_Thompson said:.
Which was my point about it being an unsporting closed shop!Gallowgate said:
I don't care about it being a "top League". Why as a Newcastle fan do I care about that? All I care about is it being a fair sporting competition.Philip_Thompson said:
It will damage it yes, and I've said that myself since last night. I oppose it in part for that reason.MaxPB said:
Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
But hyperbole helps nobody, it won't kill it, it will hurt it.
There's a difference between hurt and kill. Losing the race for the top 4 will hurt the League, losing the best clubs in the country will kill it as a top League.
I said that, so how is that disagreeing with me?
It would be about as top as the Championship is top.0 -
Just completed a YouGov on the Senedd election plus questions on the Super league
And on the Super League questions I gave one answer - No0 -
Other top clubs will emerge to replace them. In the 90s it was Arsenal vs Man United, then Chelsea and Liverpool made it a big 4 in the 00s. City and Spurs are relatively recent additions and City are wholly reliant on oil billions like Chelsea to maintain that status. The Big 6 isn't something that has existed since the beginning of time, of them I'd only class United and Liverpool as historically big clubs because of the sheer weight of silverware they've won. City and Chelsea are plastic, Arsenal had a good run but are now Banter FC and sadly at Spurs we've haven't fucking won any trophies for ages.Philip_Thompson said:
It will damage it yes, and I've said that myself since last night. I oppose it in part for that reason.MaxPB said:
Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
But hyperbole helps nobody, it won't kill it, it will hurt it.
There's a difference between hurt and kill. Losing the race for the top 4 will hurt the League, losing the best clubs in the country will kill it as a top League.
You expel and be damned because there's no way that any of the 6 clubs can survive without EPL TV money and no one wants to watch those six teams play each other 6 times a year.2 -
Point of order! The Scottish Premiership is not a second rate competition ... it's far worse than that (and I say that as an afc fan). Seriously though, I can't help but have a wry smile on my face about the impact of this ESL plan on the EPL. Talk about hoisted by your petard. Just as the two big teams in Scotland have manufactured a situation in which they win the league before it starts every year and basically go through the motions of disposing of the cannon fodder on a weekly basis, so has the EPL trended in the same direction.eek said:
The EPL has a serious problem - expel them and see what happens to the money.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Allow them to say and watch the income drop as the Premiership becomes a second rate competition ala the Scottish Premiership..
I suspect the only reason the EPL are silent is because they are frantically working out what to do....
Although most Scottish football fans outside the big two would be glad to see the back of them, the fact is that they ARE the league from a commercial point of view (as was cynically demonstrated with the infamous TV contract "guaranteeing" 4 derbies a year despite the split after 3 rounds of matches). If they left (which is looking more likely now I have to say), the league finances would be devastated and it would become a semi-pro, non-league (some might say it's that already!).
If the big 6 in England are kicked out, the EPL is finished as an "elite" league ... therefore, not going to happen. But I hope you are all looking forward to watching Man City Colts in years to come ...0 -
Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/13841411883037900870 -
How can the EPL be a top league if it is no longer a fair sporting competition? Where certain teams automatically are entitled to more "prize money", regardless of their sporting achievement, because they happen to be "founding fathers" of some random Super League?Philip_Thompson said:.
How can the EPL be a top league if it no longer has the countries top clubs?Gallowgate said:
Because you don't think the EPL will cease to be a "top league" if the big 6 remain whereas I wholeheartedly do.Philip_Thompson said:.
Which was my point about it being an unsporting closed shop!Gallowgate said:
I don't care about it being a "top League". Why as a Newcastle fan do I care about that? All I care about is it being a fair sporting competition.Philip_Thompson said:
It will damage it yes, and I've said that myself since last night. I oppose it in part for that reason.MaxPB said:
Lol, have you been watching football at all for the last 15 years? The race for the top 4 is one of the most compelling parts of the season narrative. Losing that will kill the PL.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm saying clubs compete to win the Premier League, not just scrape fourth place.Gallowgate said:
I have no idea why you are separating the two. You have to consider the competition in the context of its actual circumstances.Philip_Thompson said:
How?Gallowgate said:
It isn't bullshit. It's entirely valid and it's amazing you can't see it.Philip_Thompson said:
Yes its what already happens. Its what its called.Gallowgate said:
"Squad rotation" come on man FFS.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Besides if this goes ahead as suggested, and the players banned from international football then overall the players will be playing fewer fixtures not more than they are today. So there might be less squad rotation than occurs today, not more.
The fact its an unsporting closed shop is an extremely valid criticism, the hyperbole over the future of the Premier League is bullshit.
There is already squad rotation today. There is already prioritisation of the Champions League today. There is already a surfeit of fixtures today.
The proposed difference in number of fixtures between the Champions League and the Super League is tiny.
That is not the story here. The story is it being a closed shop, that is what is damning.
The Champions League does not devalue the Premier League because you have to do well in the Premier League to enter the Champions League. It maintains the pyramid.
The Super League does the opposite.
You arguing for the sake of it that "the EPL will be fine" because "squad rotation is nothing new" is just nonsense.
If we were comparing an open "super league" to replace the champions league and the actual Super League, then your argument might be valid, but we're not.
But hyperbole helps nobody, it won't kill it, it will hurt it.
There's a difference between hurt and kill. Losing the race for the top 4 will hurt the League, losing the best clubs in the country will kill it as a top League.
I said that, so how is that disagreeing with me?
It would be about as top as the Championship is top.1 -
I should say as well, I have been a tv watcher of the World Cup from 4 different continents (never been in person). It’s one of the few things in life that seems to unite most of the planet in unbridled pleasure and optimism, creating memories of who you were with and what you doing, even for a lot of people with only a casual interest normally. Fuck these clubs for taking that away from us.1
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Why do they give these idiots the oxygen of publicity. I have no problem with calm discourse, but we shouldn't be encouraging people to scream and shout at politicians by then giving them spots of radio shows.contrarian said:......The Landlord of the Raven will be live on Talk Radio with Mark Dolan this afternoon......
All we need now is Al Murray....3 -
This is the email Liverpool's CEO sent to all staff.
Dear Colleagues,
You will be aware of the announcement published late last night regarding Europe’s leading football Clubs coming together to establish a new mid-week competition, the European Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.
It’s important as a member of our team that I share with you some of the context.
For quite some time now, Clubs, including our own, have held numerous longstanding concerns about not only the future of European football but also the way football is run by UEFA. The global pandemic has also accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model.
We have therefore joined AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur as Founding Clubs of the Super League. It is anticipated that a further three Clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.
The Super League will be the future of European football and if we want to continue our journey of being a sustainable Club with ambition to grow and continue winning trophies then we should absolutely be part of that process and have a seat at the table rather than outside that group.
The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments are expected to be roughly three times what is currently achieved from UEFA competitions. One of the core commitments of the European Super League is to vastly increase financial support for the football pyramid.
After the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.
We know that this announcement has provoked strong feelings within the game and elsewhere but we believe this decision is in the best long-term interests of Liverpool Football Club.
Importantly, this is the beginning of the journey and we can now start an engagement process with you, supporters and key stakeholders to help shape this process in the right way.
There is still much more information to come in due course.
I will keep you updated as we progress on this journey and discuss further on our Town Hall tomorrow.
Thank you for your continued support.0 -
The Labour source was Mandy Rice Davies clearly.TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/13841411883037900870 -
I think the fact that the pub's owner has apologised for the man's behaviour tells you everything.felix said:
The Labour source was Mandy Rice Davies clearly.TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/13841411883037900870 -
Do we really want the government directing the FA to take action against certain clubs because they have decided to bypass a UEFA tournament? In reality, I can't see what the FA/PL can do about it. To expel a club for breach of the rules there has to be a vote in favour of at least 15 clubs...Gallowgate said:
Not to mention "restraint of trade" applies primarily to individuals rather than companies, that would be competition law, but Parliament is sovereign and can do whatever the f*ck it wants, as we've literally spent the last 5 years discussing endlessly.MaxPB said:
The FA has to sanction it and the government and FA agree policin policy for matches. The FA is essentially a public body so the government has a lot of leverage. They could banish those clubs to playing these matches behind closed doors losing about 11 matches worth of revenue, which is a huge sum for Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and United.RochdalePioneers said:
Surely there is a restriction of trade issue for any government attempt to dictate which competitions these clubs want to play in. They have decided to set up a rival to the UEFA Champions League. What specific action can the government take to stop them?Stuartinromford said:
Trouble is, I don't think there is a law that does that without horrible collateral damage.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
For the first time in ages, maybe ever, Boris hasn't been able to make something happen or unhappen by the pure force of his reputation.
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YesRochdalePioneers said:Do we really want the government directing the FA to take action against certain clubs because they have decided to bypass a UEFA tournament?
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“ One of the core commitments of the European Super League is to vastly increase financial support for the football pyramid.”TheScreamingEagles said:This is the email Liverpool's CEO sent to all staff.
Dear Colleagues,
You will be aware of the announcement published late last night regarding Europe’s leading football Clubs coming together to establish a new mid-week competition, the European Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.
It’s important as a member of our team that I share with you some of the context.
For quite some time now, Clubs, including our own, have held numerous longstanding concerns about not only the future of European football but also the way football is run by UEFA. The global pandemic has also accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model.
We have therefore joined AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur as Founding Clubs of the Super League. It is anticipated that a further three Clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.
The Super League will be the future of European football and if we want to continue our journey of being a sustainable Club with ambition to grow and continue winning trophies then we should absolutely be part of that process and have a seat at the table rather than outside that group.
The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments are expected to be roughly three times what is currently achieved from UEFA competitions. One of the core commitments of the European Super League is to vastly increase financial support for the football pyramid.
After the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.
We know that this announcement has provoked strong feelings within the game and elsewhere but we believe this decision is in the best long-term interests of Liverpool Football Club.
Importantly, this is the beginning of the journey and we can now start an engagement process with you, supporters and key stakeholders to help shape this process in the right way.
There is still much more information to come in due course.
I will keep you updated as we progress on this journey and discuss further on our Town Hall tomorrow.
Thank you for your continued support.
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Odd. I thought the shouty bloke was the landlord. Or was he just one of those diehard locals who think they own the place anyway?TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
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What's wrong with a semi-pro league?ridaligo said:
Point of order! The Scottish Premiership is not a second rate competition ... it's far worse than that (and I say that as an afc fan). Seriously though, I can't help but have a wry smile on my face about the impact of this ESL plan on the EPL. Talk about hoisted by your petard. Just as the two big teams in Scotland have manufactured a situation in which they win the league before it starts every year and basically go through the motions of disposing of the cannon fodder on a weekly basis, so has the EPL trended in the same direction.eek said:
The EPL has a serious problem - expel them and see what happens to the money.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Allow them to say and watch the income drop as the Premiership becomes a second rate competition ala the Scottish Premiership..
I suspect the only reason the EPL are silent is because they are frantically working out what to do....
Although most Scottish football fans outside the big two would be glad to see the back of them, the fact is that they ARE the league from a commercial point of view (as was cynically demonstrated with the infamous TV contract "guaranteeing" 4 derbies a year despite the split after 3 rounds of matches). If they left (which is looking more likely now I have to say), the league finances would be devastated and it would become a semi-pro, non-league (some might say it's that already!).
If the big 6 in England are kicked out, the EPL is finished as an "elite" league ... therefore, not going to happen. But I hope you are all looking forward to watching Man City Colts in years to come ...
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Indeed.Gallowgate said:
YesRochdalePioneers said:Do we really want the government directing the FA to take action against certain clubs because they have decided to bypass a UEFA tournament?
Come on Boris. Time to step up and save football.
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They do have a point about UEFA!TheScreamingEagles said:This is the email Liverpool's CEO sent to all staff.
Dear Colleagues,
You will be aware of the announcement published late last night regarding Europe’s leading football Clubs coming together to establish a new mid-week competition, the European Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.
It’s important as a member of our team that I share with you some of the context.
For quite some time now, Clubs, including our own, have held numerous longstanding concerns about not only the future of European football but also the way football is run by UEFA. The global pandemic has also accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model.
We have therefore joined AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur as Founding Clubs of the Super League. It is anticipated that a further three Clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.
The Super League will be the future of European football and if we want to continue our journey of being a sustainable Club with ambition to grow and continue winning trophies then we should absolutely be part of that process and have a seat at the table rather than outside that group.
The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments are expected to be roughly three times what is currently achieved from UEFA competitions. One of the core commitments of the European Super League is to vastly increase financial support for the football pyramid.
After the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.
We know that this announcement has provoked strong feelings within the game and elsewhere but we believe this decision is in the best long-term interests of Liverpool Football Club.
Importantly, this is the beginning of the journey and we can now start an engagement process with you, supporters and key stakeholders to help shape this process in the right way.
There is still much more information to come in due course.
I will keep you updated as we progress on this journey and discuss further on our Town Hall tomorrow.
Thank you for your continued support.2 -
Ironically that's the kind of action that sees UEFA/FIFA bans national associations for, which means they cannot play international football.Gallowgate said:
YesRochdalePioneers said:Do we really want the government directing the FA to take action against certain clubs because they have decided to bypass a UEFA tournament?
From 2018.
FIFA has suspended the Sierra Leone Football Association (SLFA) with immediate effect due to government interference in soccer affairs, the sport's world governing body said here on Friday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-sle-fifa-ban-idUKKCN1MF27A0 -
The landlord presumably is the person who has the license to operate the establishment, and might be different from the person who owns it?Stark_Dawning said:
Odd. I thought the shouty bloke was the landlord. Or was he just one of those diehard locals who think they own the place anyway?TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
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Feelings are running high. Many hardworking small business people have been completely steam-rollered by the government and they are angry.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why do they give these idiots the oxygen of publicity. I have no problem with calm discourse, but we shouldn't be encouraging people to scream and shout at politicians by then giving them spots of radio shows.contrarian said:......The Landlord of the Raven will be live on Talk Radio with Mark Dolan this afternoon......
All we need now is Al Murray....
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Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.TheScreamingEagles said:This is the email Liverpool's CEO sent to all staff.
Dear Colleagues,
You will be aware of the announcement published late last night regarding Europe’s leading football Clubs coming together to establish a new mid-week competition, the European Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.
It’s important as a member of our team that I share with you some of the context.
For quite some time now, Clubs, including our own, have held numerous longstanding concerns about not only the future of European football but also the way football is run by UEFA. The global pandemic has also accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model.
We have therefore joined AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur as Founding Clubs of the Super League. It is anticipated that a further three Clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.
The Super League will be the future of European football and if we want to continue our journey of being a sustainable Club with ambition to grow and continue winning trophies then we should absolutely be part of that process and have a seat at the table rather than outside that group.
The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments are expected to be roughly three times what is currently achieved from UEFA competitions. One of the core commitments of the European Super League is to vastly increase financial support for the football pyramid.
After the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.
We know that this announcement has provoked strong feelings within the game and elsewhere but we believe this decision is in the best long-term interests of Liverpool Football Club.
Importantly, this is the beginning of the journey and we can now start an engagement process with you, supporters and key stakeholders to help shape this process in the right way.
There is still much more information to come in due course.
I will keep you updated as we progress on this journey and discuss further on our Town Hall tomorrow.
Thank you for your continued support.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.2 -
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Newton-Dunn may as well call himself a secretary because all he does is take political dictation.felix said:
The Labour source was Mandy Rice Davies clearly.TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
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Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.0 -
My son has just picked up his phone from school reception. Safe to say he’s not happy.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.TheScreamingEagles said:This is the email Liverpool's CEO sent to all staff.
Dear Colleagues,
You will be aware of the announcement published late last night regarding Europe’s leading football Clubs coming together to establish a new mid-week competition, the European Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.
It’s important as a member of our team that I share with you some of the context.
For quite some time now, Clubs, including our own, have held numerous longstanding concerns about not only the future of European football but also the way football is run by UEFA. The global pandemic has also accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model.
We have therefore joined AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur as Founding Clubs of the Super League. It is anticipated that a further three Clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.
The Super League will be the future of European football and if we want to continue our journey of being a sustainable Club with ambition to grow and continue winning trophies then we should absolutely be part of that process and have a seat at the table rather than outside that group.
The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments are expected to be roughly three times what is currently achieved from UEFA competitions. One of the core commitments of the European Super League is to vastly increase financial support for the football pyramid.
After the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.
We know that this announcement has provoked strong feelings within the game and elsewhere but we believe this decision is in the best long-term interests of Liverpool Football Club.
Importantly, this is the beginning of the journey and we can now start an engagement process with you, supporters and key stakeholders to help shape this process in the right way.
There is still much more information to come in due course.
I will keep you updated as we progress on this journey and discuss further on our Town Hall tomorrow.
Thank you for your continued support.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.0 -
Only those who drive round in top end range rovers but declare £11k a year income. Everyone else has had a more than decent bit of support.contrarian said:
Feelings are running high. Many hardworking small business people have been completely steam-rollered by the government and they are angry.FrancisUrquhart said:
Why do they give these idiots the oxygen of publicity. I have no problem with calm discourse, but we shouldn't be encouraging people to scream and shout at politicians by then giving them spots of radio shows.contrarian said:......The Landlord of the Raven will be live on Talk Radio with Mark Dolan this afternoon......
All we need now is Al Murray....0 -
But how many opposed the premier league when it was first proposed. There was outrage over the idea at the time and talks of banning the teams from football league competitions and so on.TheScreamingEagles said:
Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.0 -
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But you could get relegated from the Premier League.Taz said:
But how many opposed the premier league when it was first proposed. There was outrage over the idea at the time and talks of banning the teams from football league competitions and so on.TheScreamingEagles said:
Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.
This is a closed shop.
This is the express highway to a glorified version of the Scottish Premier League.1 -
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Show some balls man! [Metaphorically] Find another club that deserves your support. You don't get many chances to change club in life. This is the perfect opportunity.TheScreamingEagles said:
Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.
I reckon far fewer than 85% will stick with it. Football fans of my aquaintance typically seem to loathe football as it has become. Typically they say they carry on going out of force of habit, or because it is how they see one particular group of friends, of relatives, or some such. Most seem desperate for a reason to stop.
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Do journalists even bother fact checking these days ? He’s just rehashing the labour line verbatim.TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1384141188303790087
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But this isn't the same thing, the Premier League was a new elite level at the top of the pyramid, it had relegation into the EFL and promotion from it. It was built in conjunction with the existing systems. This is completely outside of the pyramid.Taz said:
But how many opposed the premier league when it was first proposed. There was outrage over the idea at the time and talks of banning the teams from football league competitions and so on.TheScreamingEagles said:
Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.2 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
But you could get relegated from the Premier League.Taz said:
But how many opposed the premier league when it was first proposed. There was outrage over the idea at the time and talks of banning the teams from football league competitions and so on.TheScreamingEagles said:
Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.
This is a closed shop.
This is the express highway to a glorified version of the Scottish Premier League.
Changes and compromises were made after the initial EPL announcement to get to,that situation. I expect some compromise will be forthcoming0 -
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Look, in recent years I've already given up on a lifelong association with the Tory Party, I'm not sure I can give up on LFC either.Cookie said:
Show some balls man! [Metaphorically] Find another club that deserves your support. You don't get many chances to change club in life. This is the perfect opportunity.TheScreamingEagles said:
Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.
I reckon far fewer than 85% will stick with it. Football fans of my aquaintance typically seem to loathe football as it has become. Typically they say they carry on going out of force of habit, or because it is how they see one particular group of friends, of relatives, or some such. Most seem desperate for a reason to stop.
If I stop supporting Liverpool then that's me done with football, I cannot transfer my loyalties elsewhere, I just cannot.1 -
In the main, no. As sadly shown by many incidents. One is reminded of the story about a Tory MP (or was it advisor?) being punched by a Labour person during the 2019 election, which was repeated by most political journalists for hours until the video came out and clearly showed it hadn't happened. It's very disappointing, and doesn't help inform the public.Taz said:
Do journalists even bother fact checking these days ? He’s just rehashing the labour line verbatim.TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
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No flights aiui, lots of panic from NRIs who thought India would never be red listed.FrancisUrquhart said:
And now we will see a mad rush of arrivals for 4 days.Scott_xP said:@iainjwatson: India added to travel #RedList list - from 4am friday
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Exactly my point. Direct government interference in the operation of sport is a Bad Thing. If Football is going to stop the ESL from occurring then it is up to football to do so. As the EFL are effectively powerless due to 6 teams joining the ESL, then the sanction will have to come down from UEFA or FIFA. The idea that a government can step in and fiddle with sport because a club has done something unpopular is not a precedent we want to set.TheScreamingEagles said:
Ironically that's the kind of action that sees UEFA/FIFA bans national associations for, which means they cannot play international football.Gallowgate said:
YesRochdalePioneers said:Do we really want the government directing the FA to take action against certain clubs because they have decided to bypass a UEFA tournament?
From 2018.
FIFA has suspended the Sierra Leone Football Association (SLFA) with immediate effect due to government interference in soccer affairs, the sport's world governing body said here on Friday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-sle-fifa-ban-idUKKCN1MF27A0 -
I don'tTaz said:TheScreamingEagles said:
But you could get relegated from the Premier League.Taz said:
But how many opposed the premier league when it was first proposed. There was outrage over the idea at the time and talks of banning the teams from football league competitions and so on.TheScreamingEagles said:
Judging by the forums/groups I belong to I'd say it is about 99% opposed to it.MaxPB said:
Lol, what a joke. It's literally lie after lie after lie. Madrid and Barca have been going bankrupt for a decade, COVID had nothing to do with Barca spending €500m keeping Messi in employment and another €500m on players that barely get any game time.
How are Liverpool fans taking this? Spurs fans are basically all anti, even though it guarantees Spurs an elite place every season, almost all are against it.
I'll be honest, I suspect about 85% of them will suck it up, because there's FOMO, and the fact it is the club we've supported our entire lives.
They are ripping into for the fact that four of the twelve super clubs have never won the Champions League/European Cup and the fact that Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
The only positive things about it is that Everton weren't invited and the fact most fans view UEFA with disdain.
This is a closed shop.
This is the express highway to a glorified version of the Scottish Premier League.
Changes and compromises were made after the initial EPL announcement to get to,that situation. I expect some compromise will be forthcoming
The only acceptable compromise is to continue with either a qualification process (top x positions in the national league) or promotion and relegation.
Neither of those items are things the founders of the league understand nor want.1 -
Nope.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the fact that the pub's owner has apologised for the man's behaviour tells you everything.felix said:
The Labour source was Mandy Rice Davies clearly.TheScreamingEagles said:Ah.
Labour sources say that, as well as shouting at Starmer, this man also physically manhandled a female member of staff, hence why he was restrained. No apology forthcoming - in fact the pub's owner has apparently apologised to Labour for the man's behaviour.
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Perhaps a mistake of the ESL was to make it too elitist....I wonder if they had proposed a two division system, with an element of promotion / relegation?0
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Why was he IN a pub?Scott_xP said:@Keir_Starmer: My statement on being confronted in a pub today:
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Hear Hearmoonshine said:I should say as well, I have been a tv watcher of the World Cup from 4 different continents (never been in person). It’s one of the few things in life that seems to unite most of the planet in unbridled pleasure and optimism, creating memories of who you were with and what you doing, even for a lot of people with only a casual interest normally. Fuck these clubs for taking that away from us.
It is one the most repulsive acts of myopic, arrogant, over-entitled greed that I have ever-witnessed. It is breathtaking in its avarice as much as its stupidity. It will, I suspect, blow them all up.1 -
Why by the balls of Beelzebub do they do this?FrancisUrquhart said:
And now we will see a mad rush of arrivals for 4 days.Scott_xP said:@iainjwatson: India added to travel #RedList list - from 4am friday
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Scottn'Paste pasted the wrong link!Scott_xP said:@Keir_Starmer: My statement on being confronted in a pub today:
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Apple will let Parler back on the App Store
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Nothing wrong with it all ... but how many fans will actually turn up at 3 o'clock on a Saturday to watch it?Cookie said:
What's wrong with a semi-pro league?ridaligo said:
Point of order! The Scottish Premiership is not a second rate competition ... it's far worse than that (and I say that as an afc fan). Seriously though, I can't help but have a wry smile on my face about the impact of this ESL plan on the EPL. Talk about hoisted by your petard. Just as the two big teams in Scotland have manufactured a situation in which they win the league before it starts every year and basically go through the motions of disposing of the cannon fodder on a weekly basis, so has the EPL trended in the same direction.eek said:
The EPL has a serious problem - expel them and see what happens to the money.Philip_Thompson said:
The EPL won't expel them.Leon said:More of that remarkable Sky interview
"If the Big Six stay in the Premiership, they will focus on midweek games, and very possibly field weakened teams for the EPL."
This is what I predicted downthread.
They are destroying the EPL, quite openly. They are daring the EPL to expel them, by admitting they will undermine it, and don't care anyway
https://twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1384137782973456387?s=20
Squad rotation is something that has long happened, it isn't an original concept.
Allow them to say and watch the income drop as the Premiership becomes a second rate competition ala the Scottish Premiership..
I suspect the only reason the EPL are silent is because they are frantically working out what to do....
Although most Scottish football fans outside the big two would be glad to see the back of them, the fact is that they ARE the league from a commercial point of view (as was cynically demonstrated with the infamous TV contract "guaranteeing" 4 derbies a year despite the split after 3 rounds of matches). If they left (which is looking more likely now I have to say), the league finances would be devastated and it would become a semi-pro, non-league (some might say it's that already!).
If the big 6 in England are kicked out, the EPL is finished as an "elite" league ... therefore, not going to happen. But I hope you are all looking forward to watching Man City Colts in years to come ...
I can't be the only one who would rather see a compeitive league than a rich one.
If the big 6 do get kicked out (or even if they don't) despite all the howls of protest the owners know that most fans are still fans first and customers second ... 90% of them will still support the club and that's the calculation the big 6 have made (along with the fact that local fans are a minority now and the growth market is Asia anyway). Sad but true. The game was lost a long time ago when the EPL became an entertainment product rather than a tribal "don't care how pretty we play as long as we win" sporting competition.
I'm not sure that modern fans, brought up on a diet of live EPL on Sky, have the same mindset as us traditionalists.0 -
I think it's a typo, in the video he is in the street outside the pub. He may have entered the pub with his team briefly to get away from the man shouting at him.Floater said:
Why was he IN a pub?Scott_xP said:@Keir_Starmer: My statement on being confronted in a pub today:
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https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/status/1384159420725141512
Goodness me that is not a healthy man whatsoever, he needs to hit the gym0 -
He's still got the charm tho. Look at the adoring faces of the publicCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/status/1384159420725141512
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Hope so.Leon said:
Hear Hearmoonshine said:I should say as well, I have been a tv watcher of the World Cup from 4 different continents (never been in person). It’s one of the few things in life that seems to unite most of the planet in unbridled pleasure and optimism, creating memories of who you were with and what you doing, even for a lot of people with only a casual interest normally. Fuck these clubs for taking that away from us.
It is one the most repulsive acts of myopic, arrogant, over-entitled greed that I have ever-witnessed. It is breathtaking in its avarice as much as its stupidity. It will, I suspect, blow them all up.
Still there’s a big open goal for Boris. He can single-handedly save football. It’s a penalty without a keeper.
Political opportunities like this don’t come around very often.1 -
In the second video, he was exiting the pubQuincel said:
I think it's a typo, in the video he is in the street outside the pub. He may have entered the pub with his team briefly to get away from the man shouting at him.Floater said:
Why was he IN a pub?Scott_xP said:@Keir_Starmer: My statement on being confronted in a pub today:
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Pure greed. If they had just allowed one relegation a season, including the - boak - Founding Fathers, then much of the wild anger would have been defused. It would still be horribly unpopular, but not the Work of Satan.FrancisUrquhart said:Perhaps a mistake of the ESL was to make it too elitist....I wonder if they had proposed a two division system, with an element of promotion / relegation?
This, this is the Work of Satan. No relegation at all. The big 12 clubs are the big 12 clubs for the rest of time, and no one else will ever break in.
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Surely drawers would have to be lowered?Mexicanpete said:
The quality of discourse gets ever better on PB. This really is top drawer.Leon said:Go on Boris, pass a law to fuck these fuckers
Is that the time?0 -
You're right however he's not setting a good example to people, he said just a few months ago how important losing weight was, he's evidently not stuck to that.Leon said:
He's still got the charm tho. Look at the adoring faces of the publicCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/status/1384159420725141512
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Oh dear. Rotten luck for Keir there. That "Rod Humphries" sounds utterly ghastly. Thank the lord he won't be voting Labour.Theuniondivvie said:SKS just dropped in on the wrong day
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That last sentence must be one of the most out of touch sentences ever made by a football club, and there have been manyTheScreamingEagles said:This is the email Liverpool's CEO sent to all staff.
Dear Colleagues,
You will be aware of the announcement published late last night regarding Europe’s leading football Clubs coming together to establish a new mid-week competition, the European Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.
It’s important as a member of our team that I share with you some of the context.
For quite some time now, Clubs, including our own, have held numerous longstanding concerns about not only the future of European football but also the way football is run by UEFA. The global pandemic has also accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model.
We have therefore joined AC Milan, Arsenal, Atletico Madrid, Chelsea, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid and Tottenham Hotspur as Founding Clubs of the Super League. It is anticipated that a further three Clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.
The Super League will be the future of European football and if we want to continue our journey of being a sustainable Club with ambition to grow and continue winning trophies then we should absolutely be part of that process and have a seat at the table rather than outside that group.
The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments are expected to be roughly three times what is currently achieved from UEFA competitions. One of the core commitments of the European Super League is to vastly increase financial support for the football pyramid.
After the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.
We know that this announcement has provoked strong feelings within the game and elsewhere but we believe this decision is in the best long-term interests of Liverpool Football Club.
Importantly, this is the beginning of the journey and we can now start an engagement process with you, supporters and key stakeholders to help shape this process in the right way.
There is still much more information to come in due course.
I will keep you updated as we progress on this journey and discuss further on our Town Hall tomorrow.
Thank you for your continued support.1 -
He did also about last May (?) when he left hospital. All that talk about obesity campaigns.CorrectHorseBattery said:
You're right however he's not setting a good example to people, he said just a few months ago how important losing weight was, he's evidently not stuck to that.Leon said:
He's still got the charm tho. Look at the adoring faces of the publicCorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/PoliticalPics/status/1384159420725141512
Goodness me that is not a healthy man whatsoever, he needs to hit the gym0
