We need to talk about antivaxxer GOPers – politicalbetting.com
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You forgot tanks.Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia2 -
@lucrezianews: RT @GaryLineker: Jose Mourinho is fired. He is the first of the European Super League managers to lose their job.1
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@SamanthaQuek: Mourinho has just been sacked...
@SamanthaQuek: ...just 12 hours after qualifying for the European Super League as well. 🙄4 -
It's an interesting poll, with him holding good chunks of support from Republicans (30%) and Dems (66%). The poll didn't include a named Democrat candidate. This makes me assume he'd have to run as an independent or Democrat, but either path would risk losing him a bunch of voters. If he runs as an Ind then there will be a named Dem candidate and party loyalties would recover a lot of those. If he runs as a Dem he'll never get 30% of GOP voters. He could primary challenge Abbott for the GOP nomination, but polls have that as an uphill struggle and he'd burn himself with a lot of supporters on both sides if he failed (Dems seeing him as basically a Republican, GOPs seeing him as a disloyal Republican).HYUFD said:Matthew McConaughey next governor of Texas?
A new poll has McConaughey leading incumbent Greg Abbott 45% to 33%
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1383953675027058688?s=20
I think his best bet would be to stay Ind and try to hold together a broad coalition as a non-standard politician who cut across ideological divides, but that's a very tricky path and he'd probably be squeezed out of the race. Although if he does want to try, the Governorship is the right target as it is a role more suited to an independent than a Senate seat.
Tbh I think Greg Abbott will probably win, and even at 1/2 is value. It's a very tough race for the GOP nominee to lose, and Abbott is big favourite to be renominated.3 -
Is that properly weighted or is it a sub-sample? I know you get confused.HYUFD said:
Just read the data, a very high 62% of Tory voters say the UK government should not allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years even with an SNP majority and the Tories are in power with a majority across the UKTheuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-04/scotland-future-of-the-union-tables-april-2021.pdf0 -
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.1 -
Munich torpedoes the Super League as a serious venture I think.0
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My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.OldKingCole said:
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.Alistair said:
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.OldKingCole said:
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system.Gallowgate said:
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.Sunil_Prasannan said:I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.0 -
I wouldn't be surprised if Klopp is next. I reckon he is not signed up to the idea - maybe why he has been somewhat semi-detached in recent weeks...Scott_xP said:Breaking: Tottenham have sacked Jose Mourinho. Full story to follow @TeleFootball #thfc
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Leaves them somewhat unprotected in the upcoming elections?williamglenn said:The German Green Party has chosen Annalena Baerbock as their Chancellor candidate for the federal elections.
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Sometimes your language really does you even less favours than mine does me!HYUFD said:
Just read the data, a very high 62% of Tory voters say the UK government should not allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years even if the SNP win a majority and the Tories are in power with a majority across the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
65% of Labour voters and 53% of LD voters by contrast say the UK government should allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years if the SNP win a majority but why would Boris care what Labour and LD voters think when he still has a comfortable poll lead?
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-04/scotland-future-of-the-union-tables-april-2021.pdf0 -
You southerners south of the Tyne play both League and Union.Philip_Thompson said:
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.OldKingCole said:
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.Alistair said:
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.OldKingCole said:
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system.Gallowgate said:
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.Sunil_Prasannan said:I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
We play Union up here in the true North.0 -
@andreajenkyns: RT @EddieHughes4WN: I'm calling on all MPs to lobby Marcus Rashford to put an end to this talk of a #SuperLeague7
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And it is infantileAnabobazina said:
Why do you insist on calling him Shagger? It's a stupid name and glamorises him if anything.RochdalePioneers said:Shagger cancels his trip to India. Who knew that there was a health risk?
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TSE’s comment was fine. It was @OldKingCole i was criticising. Happy to clear up any confusionCarnyx said:
It doesn't have to be a matter of death, so Charles is being a tad unfair to TSE. Just catching the pox bad and having to payt the medical bills (or it happening to a reelative) is going to be very upsetting to at least some GOP voters.Philip_Thompson said:
I see no cheering there, but its the best bit of political analysis which is what PB is very good at, yes.Charles said:
The best bit is cheering on the death of your opponents?OldKingCole said:The best bit in the piece is this:
'This does have betting implications, if significant number of GOPers remain unvaccinated then there are likely to (be) a lot fewer GOP voters at the time of the next Presidential election which not even GOP voter suppression can overturn. At some point someone in the GOP will realise this."
Although I'm not sure the last sentence will make a lot of difference; the damage will have been done.
If through a Darwinian process one party removes more of its voters than another does then that could affect future political betting.
If the GOP wants to keep its voters voting, then keeping them alive is a good starting point.1 -
Cue the Special One speaking out against The Super League. "it is a disgrace to football. I told the Chairman this. He showed me the door".0
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Just reality, Boris has a majority of 80 achieved on 43% of the vote, this poll has 40% of UK voters opposing an indyref2 even with an SNP Holyrood majority (the vast majority Tories) so Boris will again listen to his base and tell the SNP no whatever happens in MayOldKingCole said:
Sometimes your language really does you even less favours than mine does me!HYUFD said:
Just read the data, a very high 62% of Tory voters say the UK government should not allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years even if the SNP win a majority and the Tories are in power with a majority across the UK.Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
65% of Labour voters and 53% of LD voters by contrast say the UK government should allow an indyref2 within the next 5 years if the SNP win a majority but why would Boris care what Labour and LD voters think when he still has a comfortable poll lead?
https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2021-04/scotland-future-of-the-union-tables-april-2021.pdf0 -
We do sadly have some people here in the UK who go way beyond Mr Fox and his anti-vax views and are right into the most extreme of conspiracy theories.
I have a designer and supplier for one of my small sideline companies who I actively try to avoid going to visit these days as he is so completely off the rails. Highly intelligent in some ways but a complete conspiracy loon. His latest claims are that the vaccination programme is a targeted genocide designed to massively reduce the world's population and that already 600,000 people have died in the UK from the vaccine but it is all being covered up.
He genuinely believes this and, because sadly I need what he supplies and I have no alternative sources, I choose rightly or wrongly to just make sympathetic faces and get out as quickly as possible. I did used to try to argue him round, politely of course. But all I want to do these days is scream at him.
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Yes, he needs to feel the heat over this.Scott_xP said:@andreajenkyns: RT @EddieHughes4WN: I'm calling on all MPs to lobby Marcus Rashford to put an end to this talk of a #SuperLeague
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Moving to the NorthWest in my 20's meant I took more of an interest in League, and, especially now the rather vestigial 'scrums' have been eliminated it's a far better spectacle than Union.Philip_Thompson said:
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.OldKingCole said:
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.Alistair said:
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.OldKingCole said:
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system.Gallowgate said:
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.Sunil_Prasannan said:I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.2 -
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form in 10 years, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc tooRochdalePioneers said:
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.0 -
Union. League. Its all egg throwing. Someone needs to open up an Aussie-Rules Football league over here - that's a man's game...Gallowgate said:
You southerners south of the Tyne play both League and Union.Philip_Thompson said:
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.OldKingCole said:
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.Alistair said:
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.OldKingCole said:
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system.Gallowgate said:
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.Sunil_Prasannan said:I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
We play Union up here in the true North.0 -
Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.4 -
On topic, if you still think the virus is a hoax perpetrated by by the DNC to help Biden beat Trump, then it makes total sense to both oppose both continued restrictions, and refuse to get a vaccine.
Edit: also, the number of GOP voters this is likely to kill in the medium to long run is electorally negligible. Especially if hesitancy drops off as age increases. Which I strongly suspect it does.0 -
Is Liar going to back federalism then?HYUFD said:
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc tooRochdalePioneers said:
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
QTWTAIN.0 -
“No means no” would be an interesting slogan. Although I suspect the Indy supporters would try to argue it is minimising the significance of rape.Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia0 -
Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.3 -
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.3 -
This might prove handy for some local clubs who rely a lot more on ticket sales than TV revenue for income, and have been hit very hard by the pandemic.0
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What are Roc Nation's views on the SL ?tlg86 said:
Yes, he needs to feel the heat over this.Scott_xP said:@andreajenkyns: RT @EddieHughes4WN: I'm calling on all MPs to lobby Marcus Rashford to put an end to this talk of a #SuperLeague
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I assume the leagues can in turn sue the individual clubs for their breaches of the league rules?TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.0 -
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.1 -
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than BidenTheScreamingEagles said:
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.
And Macron is an arrant twat.0 -
Possibly, however they ESL clubs only need one more club to vote alongside them and they should be safe.Gallowgate said:
I assume the leagues can in turn sue the individual clubs for their breaches of the league rules?TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.0 -
I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.Philip_Thompson said:
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?1 -
Boris will refuse indyref2 regardless so it does not matter.RochdalePioneers said:
Is Liar going to back federalism then?HYUFD said:
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc tooRochdalePioneers said:
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
QTWTAIN.
If Starmer becomes PM he may allow indyref2 and move to Federalism but that would not be Boris' problem anymore0 -
I agree with all of that, but this is political betting.Alanbrooke said:
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than BidenTheScreamingEagles said:
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.
And Macron is an arrant twat.1 -
6/20 is 30% so they are safe in any case, are they not?TheScreamingEagles said:
Possibly, however they ESL clubs only need one more club to vote alongside them and they should be safe.Gallowgate said:
I assume the leagues can in turn sue the individual clubs for their breaches of the league rules?TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.0 -
The French being twats is baked in.Alanbrooke said:
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than BidenTheScreamingEagles said:
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.
And Macron is an arrant twat.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.0 -
Newcastle Thunder?Gallowgate said:
You southerners south of the Tyne play both League and Union.Philip_Thompson said:
My knowledge of Rugby Union is that its that version of Rugby that southerners play.OldKingCole said:
Although brought up on Rugby Union, the organisation, and the way the game is now played has effectively killed my interest. I'll enjoy the closing stages of a Welsh win, but that's about as far as it goes.Alistair said:
Premiership Rugby Union is pure scum baggery. The profit sharing via share ownership means that the promoted team (unless they have one of the golden 13 founder shares) get fuck all money.OldKingCole said:
Once promotion and relegation was kept, it was a renamed First Division. It's still theoretically possible for one of the Big Six to drop down to the Championship, which isn't the case with a full franchise system.Gallowgate said:
The PL was just another layer on the pyramid. This is literally a closed shop. It isn't the same thing at all.Sunil_Prasannan said:I remember people freaking out over the creation of the EPL back in the early '90s, saying "Oh shit! This means the end of football as we know it!"
No such thing happened.
Look at the knicker-twisting in Premiership Rugby Union.
That is if the promoted team can get promoted at all with criteria to fulfil that the existing memebers don't have to meet but the new members do have to meet.
Incidentally the only reason there are 13 golden shares and not 12 is that Harlequins were relegated the year the system was put in place so an extra golden share was given to them. I bet if Leeds had went down they wouldn't have got the share.
I'll cheer on England but that's about the limit.
We play Union up here in the true North.0 -
Possibly, I haven't read the PL articles of association for a few years.Gallowgate said:
6/20 is 30% so they are safe in any case, are they not?TheScreamingEagles said:
Possibly, however they ESL clubs only need one more club to vote alongside them and they should be safe.Gallowgate said:
I assume the leagues can in turn sue the individual clubs for their breaches of the league rules?TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.0 -
Mebbes, it might have a bit of extra resonance with Baroness Ruth of Rape Clause still floating about the scene. However I think indy supporters would be more likely to say that Scotland has said no to the Tories for 60+ years, and that that no certainly means no.Charles said:
“No means no” would be an interesting slogan. Although I suspect the Indy supporters would try to argue it is minimising the significance of rape.Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia0 -
🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms1 -
Shut up and take my vote Boris.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
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It's almost like 6 clubs have been invited from England to ensure it gets round Premier League rules.Gallowgate said:
I don't believe the PL CAN expelI the 6 because it requires a 75% majority under Rule B6 and thus the 6 can block it.Philip_Thompson said:
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
Of course the government could intervene with primary legislation.
I assume maybe the PL could go to the courts for an injunction?2 -
Yes if it takes 75% to vote to expel then there's no way that 75% of 20 are going to vote to expel 6.Gallowgate said:
6/20 is 30% so they are safe in any case, are they not?TheScreamingEagles said:
Possibly, however they ESL clubs only need one more club to vote alongside them and they should be safe.Gallowgate said:
I assume the leagues can in turn sue the individual clubs for their breaches of the league rules?TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
Maybe the reason the Gunners and Spurs were invited was to ensure that? 🤔0 -
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.Philip_Thompson said:
The French being twats is baked in.Alanbrooke said:
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than BidenTheScreamingEagles said:
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.
And Macron is an arrant twat.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet
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If the government can legislate to make sure certain sporting occasions stay on free-to-air TV it can surely legislate to intervene in the super league debacle
It could make life for the big 6 supremely uncomfortable0 -
Jose out.0
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There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...1 -
That does look the likely outcomePhilip_Thompson said:
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.0 -
How does he do that then?Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
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It's a very boring political point to make about this super-exciting football drama, but this is actually a great illustration of the difficulties of being Leader of the Opposition. Johnson and Starmer both made very similar statements within 10 minutes of each other when this was announced yesterday - but while a lot of coverage mentioned Johnson's statement alongside the FA/EPL/etc virtually no-one bothered including even a mention that Starmer had made a statement. Being LotO just isn't as newsworthy because you don't have power, so it's tough to get noticed by the public and influence the agenda.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
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But the golden goose has already flown the nest. There would be little incentive for the super 6 to field full strength or even half strength sides in the domestic league. League position means nothing financially, there’s no concept of needing to finish high enough to qualify for Europe. And there can only be one champion. So it’s B Sides in the domestic league from now on. Which massively degrades the value of the tv contacts.Philip_Thompson said:
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.1 -
@Kelly1958R BREAKING...following instruction from new Hollywood owners, Wrexham FC are poised to form a North Wales Super League alongside Inter Harlech, Real Llangefni, Locomotive Llanberis, Dynamo Prestatyn and Sporting Club Capel Curig.RochdalePioneers said:There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...5 -
The virus spreads around the globe quite rapidly, it doesn't matter where the virus evolves once it does it will spread realistically. So a country of 330 million is a much greater risk of seeing new mutations arise than one of 67 million.Alanbrooke said:
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.Philip_Thompson said:
The French being twats is baked in.Alanbrooke said:
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than BidenTheScreamingEagles said:
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.
And Macron is an arrant twat.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet0 -
It sounds really pathetic and glamorises him.RochdalePioneers said:
Why? Do people just call Keir Starmer Keir or Starmer? Which part of my namecalling jars with you factually? That he is a liar? Or that he is a serial shagger?Anabobazina said:
Just call him Boris, or Johnson?RochdalePioneers said:
Would you prefer liar? I have nothing but utmost contempt for the man. Shags anything that walks, lies openly, eulogised as "he's a lad isn't he".Anabobazina said:
Why do you insist on calling him Shagger? It's a stupid name and glamorises him if anything.RochdalePioneers said:Shagger cancels his trip to India. Who knew that there was a health risk?
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You are like a broken record and in denial of the reality that to win, the union needs to make its case which is a good oneHYUFD said:
Boris will refuse indyref2 regardless so it does not matter.RochdalePioneers said:
Is Liar going to back federalism then?HYUFD said:
Technically not true, they said the UK may not exist in its current form, which could mean a Federal UK with an English Parliament, devomax for Scotland etc tooRochdalePioneers said:
Some fascinating stuff in there. A majority of people in all 4 nations back a referendum. A majority of people in all 4 nations think the UK will be history within 10 years (ok Wales isn't a majority but 46% agree, 30% disagree)Theuniondivvie said:
Incoming HYUFDAlistair said:https://twitter.com/AngusRobertson/status/1384068683706736646
New UK Poll: Majority support for Scottish #indyref2 in England, Scotland, Wales and NI if SNP wins majority. Poll via
@IpsosMORI
#SP21
#nomeansnoonceinagenerationQuebecCatalonia
Time for that fatherly dictatorship that HYUFD is such a passionate advocate of.
QTWTAIN.
If Starmer becomes PM he may allow indyref2 and move to Federalism but that would not be Boris' problem anymore
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If there really is to be no relegation (of the founders) then there's always competition grounds?RochdalePioneers said:
How does he do that then?Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
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Cancelled his India tour today and comes out fighting for the red wall voters who will really care about this seems very good politicsLeon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
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Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.RochdalePioneers said:
How does he do that then?Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.0 -
You jest but Ferrari have 'often' threatened to split from FIA and either exit F1 or set up a different series.RochdalePioneers said:There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...2 -
Doesn't change the fact that the Premier League having the top clubs and their fans, even with B sides, is a much better product than a Premier League without the top clubs.moonshine said:
But the golden goose has already flown the nest. There would be little incentive for the super 6 to field full strength or even half strength sides in the domestic league. League position means nothing financially, there’s no concept of needing to finish high enough to qualify for Europe. And there can only be one champion. So it’s B Sides in the domestic league from now on. Which massively degrades the value of the tv contacts.Philip_Thompson said:
Would the Premier League really expel the 6 clubs that bring in probably 90% of their revenue? I just don't see it.TheScreamingEagles said:Speaking with my legal hat on for a moment, I don't think the broadcasters will be able to sue the individual clubs, only the leagues.
The clubs will be able to argue that they still want to play in their respective domestic leagues and it is the leagues that have kicked them out.
UEFA would fight this with all they've got because this kills their golden goose (the Champions League) but the Premier League surely have no alternative but to defer to the big 6 over UEFA.
Keep the top 6 and the Premier League is devalued but still has the fans of the top clubs, expel the top 6 (which looks like they can't do as there's a blocking minority there preventing a 75% supermajority vote anyway) and the Premier League becomes a glorified "Championship".0 -
Epic! How about a Manchester Citeh Super League! A line-up of Manchester City, New York City, Melbourne City, Monteviedo City, Mumbai City etc etcScott_xP said:
@Kelly1958R BREAKING...following instruction from new Hollywood owners, Wrexham FC are poised to form a North Wales Super League alongside Inter Harlech, Real Llangefni, Locomotive Llanberis, Dynamo Prestatyn and Sporting Club Capel Curig.RochdalePioneers said:There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...0 -
The country on our doorstep is the EU which has 747 million citizens and free movement, If your risk theory holds true time to reassess.Philip_Thompson said:
The virus spreads around the globe quite rapidly, it doesn't matter where the virus evolves once it does it will spread realistically. So a country of 330 million is a much greater risk of seeing new mutations arise than one of 67 million.Alanbrooke said:
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.Philip_Thompson said:
The French being twats is baked in.Alanbrooke said:
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than BidenTheScreamingEagles said:
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.
And Macron is an arrant twat.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet0 -
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
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Just listening to Gary Neville's impressive rant about US inspired super leagues and came across this. A Man City fan site run by someone who doesn't sound particularly educated but some of his lines are Bob Dylanesque 'I don't want my team on a meaningless carousel of nothingness'.
Angry young man or poet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BtbwtXKwnw
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I know this Super League story is absurd. But football has been absurd for a long time - the corruption inside FIFA and UEFA, the awarding of the World Cup to Qatar, we shouldn't be surprised by the corrupting power of money>
All we need to do now is to merge Fulchester United and Peddleworth Albion where the new Fulchester Albion club tales the combined points tally so that Billy the Fish can finally win the league without that evil billionaire Wynyard Hall stopping him.0 -
Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.0
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The simple solution would be to insist all matches have to be shown on Free to Air Television.Quincel said:
Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.RochdalePioneers said:
How does he do that then?Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
Without the TV money it won't last.0 -
Primary legislation?Temporarily nationalise teams? Refuse government cooperation - policing, etc- with super league games? A really determined government could make it hideously uncomfortable for the big clubsRochdalePioneers said:
How does he do that then?Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
This is such a huge story and if Boris can do what he promises he will be a hero to many. Quite the prize1 -
447 million and yes the EU should be on our red list in my opinion, I've said this for a long time.Alanbrooke said:
The country on our doorstep is the EU which has 747 million citizens and free movement, If your risk theory holds true time to reassess.Philip_Thompson said:
The virus spreads around the globe quite rapidly, it doesn't matter where the virus evolves once it does it will spread realistically. So a country of 330 million is a much greater risk of seeing new mutations arise than one of 67 million.Alanbrooke said:
Unlikely a substantial volume of people cross into the UK from France every day, the USA is nowhere near the same total and the barriers to US\UK travel are currently higher than those between the UK and France.Philip_Thompson said:
The French being twats is baked in.Alanbrooke said:
Magnifique, but more people will die here if Macron gets his sums wrong rather than BidenTheScreamingEagles said:
We bet more on the US Presidential election than we do on the French Presidential election.Alanbrooke said:Hmmm
quite what conditions 3000 miles away has to do with our day to day I fail to see. Of much more interest is the country 20 miles across the channel where anti vax sentiment is fairly retrenched , the president has scared the crap out of the population so nobody believes what the government says and where for some reason we still leave our borders open.
Simples.
And Macron is an arrant twat.
America being a 330 million population pool keeping the virus alive and mutating is probably more of a threat to us than France actually.
Estimates put french anti vaxxers at 27 million. Dont book your holiday just yet
But based on surveys by this time next year I expect more people to be unvaccinated in America than Europe.0 -
Indeed - and a single-manufacturer racing series would be great for Ferarri.Slackbladder said:
You jest but Ferrari have 'often' threatened to split from FIA and either exit F1 or set up a different series.RochdalePioneers said:There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...0 -
Spare a thought for those of us whose local club is a super league club. Hard for many PB 'Scousers' to understand, I know.Morris_Dancer said:This might prove handy for some local clubs who rely a lot more on ticket sales than TV revenue for income, and have been hit very hard by the pandemic.
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No way he was that equivocal. All I saw was him saying "we support football authorities in taking action". Very clear whose job it is to deal with this.Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
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I suspect it will be effectively Free to Air anyway as Amazon will bundle it in with Prime.eek said:
The simple solution would be to insist all matches have to be shown on Free to Air Television.Quincel said:
Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.RochdalePioneers said:
How does he do that then?Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
Without the TV money it won't last.0 -
More details were expected when Dowden makes a Commons statement at about 5pm on Monday.Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Speaking on a visit to Gloucestershire, the prime minister said: “I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.”
The prime minister told reporters: “We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed. I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country.
“These clubs are not just great global brands – of course they’re great global brands – they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fanbase in their community. So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case.”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/ministers-urged-to-take-action-over-european-super-league-plan1 -
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
Again.2 -
Ferrari are the Arsenal of F1 teams.RochdalePioneers said:
Indeed - and a single-manufacturer racing series would be great for Ferarri.Slackbladder said:
You jest but Ferrari have 'often' threatened to split from FIA and either exit F1 or set up a different series.RochdalePioneers said:There is an opportunity for similar concepts to The Super League to go into Other Sports.
I want to see Super Formula. Ferrari break away from Formula One and set up their own series. Based in Italy with the Ferarri-powered teams as founder members", people would pay Big Money to watch Ferarri, Alfa Romeo and Haas compete at neutral tracks like Monza and Mugello against an exciting list of new Ferarri-powered teams...0 -
https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'
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Or Disney+RochdalePioneers said:
I suspect it will be effectively Free to Air anyway as Amazon will bundle it in with Prime.eek said:
The simple solution would be to insist all matches have to be shown on Free to Air Television.Quincel said:
Announces Tier 5 COVID restrictions in perpetuity applying only to their stadia.RochdalePioneers said:
How does he do that then?Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
I jest, but if he wants to he probably could stop this. Use competition law to get the regulator to call this an unlawful cartel, announce the ESL won't be included for some kind of sports travel consent which other teams/fans would need to visit the UK for matches. Or just pass a law declaring the 6 teams as 'National Heritage' and thus a government veto on their board. It's all rather extreme, but didn't the Brazilian Government stop Pele being sold abroad once in a similar manner?
At the very least, he can announce that regulators in the media/sport/competition will oppose this, and while the ESL could sue it would be a stumbling block.
Without the TV money it won't last.0 -
Its politics4all with zero quotes. Nonsense from twitter until he adds to his initial statement.Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Can't imagine he would act as fast as to say something like that anyway.0 -
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.Endillion said:
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
Again.0 -
If that's true then much respect. Klopp next please.MaxPB said:
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.Endillion said:
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
Again.0 -
No. The news is he was fired because he protested, and refused to take players onto the training pitchEndillion said:
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
Again.0 -
In fact please can Bruce also resign in protest?
Please...0 -
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Yeah no way would he want to be on the hook for resolving the mess.Endillion said:
No way he was that equivocal. All I saw was him saying "we support football authorities in taking action". Very clear whose job it is to deal with this.Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
It would be like deliberately sticking your penis into a hornet's nest.0 -
Spurs confirm that Mourinho and his entire staff have been "relieved of their duties". With a cup final this weekend and European football within qualification reach (probably a moot point now) it can't be a sudden decision on footballing grounds.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
So come on Jose. Tell us what the chairman said when you expressed your opinions of the Super League. We know he's sacked you for *something*. Make it count.0 -
Graun politics feed says:Brom said:
Its politics4all with zero quotes. Nonsense from twitter until he adds to his initial statement.Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Can't imagine he would act as fast as to say something like that anyway.
Boris Johnson has also said the government will do everything it can to stop the European super league going ahead as currently proposed. He told reporters:
We are going to look at everything that we can do with the football authorities to make sure that this doesn’t go ahead in the way that it’s currently being proposed.
I don’t think that it’s good news for fans, I don’t think it’s good news for football in this country ...
These clubs are not just great global brands - of course they’re great global brands - they’re also clubs that have originated historically from their towns, from their cities, from their local communities, they should have a link with those fans, and with the fan base in their community.
So it is very, very important that that continues to be the case. I don’t like the look of these proposals, and we’ll be consulted about what we can do.0 -
Sky News suggesting the government could refuse to allow police at games.
I guess they’d just fuck off abroad.0 -
Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' todayLeon said:
https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'
Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed0 -
Of course the irony is that all these clubs are in Labour held constituencies? (I believe so, anyway).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' todayLeon said:
https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'
Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed1 -
See @Gallowgate postBrom said:
Its politics4all with zero quotes. Nonsense from twitter until he adds to his initial statement.Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
Can't imagine he would act as fast as to say something like that anyway.
He has acted fast0 -
Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.MaxPB said:
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.Endillion said:
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
Again.
Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.0 -
On the other hand, he's harking back to a model of football which is about what, 40 years out of date? Thanks largely to the rich and the elite which support the Tory Party. I can't quite see how he can reconcile those - and I'm not a footie enthusiast.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' todayLeon said:
https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'
Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed1 -
I thought Kane had already told Spurs he wants to leave to go top team.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
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5/6 - Chelsea is the exception to prove the general rule.Gallowgate said:
Of course the irony is that all these clubs are in Labour held constituencies? (I believe so, anyway).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Boris detractors must be having a 'mare' todayLeon said:
https://twitter.com/mirrorbreaking_/status/1384082583965765632?s=21Philip_Thompson said:
Has he really or is this a joke? Nothing on the news about him announcing that.Leon said:🚨 BREAKING: Boris Johnson has announced that he will make sure the European Super League doesn’t go ahead as it stands #mufc #mujournal
If Boris can kill this he wins six terms
BREAKING Boris Johnson vows to block plans for Super League 'by the elite, for the elite'
Of all the stories that influences red wall voters this is the one and if he manages to stop or even moderate it he will be very popular indeed0 -
We've got the league cup final this weekend, his first shot at silverware with Spurs. There's literally no way this happened over nothing and there's no way that the board would have sacked him in the run up to a cup final unless it was over something very serious.Endillion said:
Possible, although I would be surprised - his usual MO is to be sacked in such a way as to maximise his payoff, and committing gross misconduct doesn't fit that pattern.MaxPB said:
He got sacked for refusing to take the players out for training and essentially telling them to go on strike aiui.Endillion said:
You do realise he hasn't walked out in protest, right? He's just been fired.MaxPB said:Fair play to Mourinho. I've been looking forwards to this day when he'd be sacked for almost two years. Now it's all just meaningless. If Klopp and Ole don't follow suit then it shows how meaningless their persona of being the people's champions really is. Rashford and other moralising footballers also need to take a stand, Kane is another one who needs to think long and hard about this move.
Again.
Anyway, I can't find any reports of this anywhere in the mainstream news outlets, all of whom are convinced Levy pulled the plug due to performance issues. No doubt we'll find out over the coming days.
People like you who support this bullshit is why football is the way it is.0
