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I've read about that volcano. I believe it's the kind that spews out big spreading lava flows rather than explosive ejections of ash and gas (like that totally unpronounceable one that went off a few years back.)Floater said:Time to cancel those summer flights ....
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1373036033605054466
The Plague is much more likely to wreck sunshine holiday plans than the eruption.0 -
Switzerland in; Croatia, Latvia and Bulgaria out. Can't be arsed to check if anyone's entirely missing.MattW said:
Boris ?Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
Off topic.
Given where this thread seems to be, Comical Dave has a new graph, and has declared Switzerland to be back in the EU (cockup, not conspiracy):
https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1372963379040686088
EDIT: looks like Leave.EU might also have had a point. Apparently the EU has also admitted Turkey.0 -
That is very beautiful.Pagan2 said:for those wondering what I meant by mayday here is a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6VSxh1qRhU
I've heard of the Old Oss, and I've been to Padstow, but only in peak tourist season. Of course, as a tourist, I don't mind seeing it in peak tourist season - the town puts on a good show for its hordes of visitors - but that video is different: that is for the community, not the visitors. These people are somewheres of the first order, to whom home, place and community matter.
This sort of thing happens in miniature up and down the country of course. But seldom so melodically.0 -
France isn't publishing any covid statistics today because of a technical issue.0
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Is technical issue French for on strike?williamglenn said:France isn't publishing any covid statistics today because of a technical issue.
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Most people, yes. Lunatics on Twitter, maybe not.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.0 -
Everyone who worked on the statistics has rushed to catch the last train out of Paris.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is technical issue French for on strike?williamglenn said:France isn't publishing any covid statistics today because of a technical issue.
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However. Just paid the final instalment on my son's school trip to Iceland in July.Black_Rook said:
I've read about that volcano. I believe it's the kind that spews out big spreading lava flows rather than explosive ejections of ash and gas (like that totally unpronounceable one that went off a few years back.)Floater said:Time to cancel those summer flights ....
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1373036033605054466
The Plague is much more likely to wreck sunshine holiday plans than the eruption.
He's not having much luck with this school lark lately.0 -
Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.3
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Dave wants us to compare the EU with Africa, Asia, South America, Central America, Russia.MattW said:
Boris ?Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
Off topic.
Given where this thread seems to be, Comical Dave has a new graph, and has declared Switzerland to be back in the EU (cockup, not conspiracy):
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They're saying it's because the figures received by the health ministry don't match the ones collected from the field, so they need to be checked.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is technical issue French for on strike?williamglenn said:France isn't publishing any covid statistics today because of a technical issue.
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Yes, he seemed to be saying he fancied lots of Labour MPs, but would never want to date them.kinabalu said:
Well on PT Casino said he could never date a Labour lassie. So it's a 2 way street.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.
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They're not going to be reasonably forgiving of a party arguing with itself over the ten year old tweets of its candidate for election as MP. They could do with getting a grip of themselves and concentrating on what's important.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.2 -
Flight should be OK for the same reason. The volcano is in a relatively remote location and is apparently not a threat to the airport, let alone Reykjavik itself, which stands no realistic chance of being consumed by lava.dixiedean said:
However. Just paid the final instalment on my son's school trip to Iceland in July.Black_Rook said:
I've read about that volcano. I believe it's the kind that spews out big spreading lava flows rather than explosive ejections of ash and gas (like that totally unpronounceable one that went off a few years back.)Floater said:Time to cancel those summer flights ....
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1373036033605054466
The Plague is much more likely to wreck sunshine holiday plans than the eruption.
He's not having much luck with this school lark lately.
Again, his chance of getting there depend rather more on the state of UK and Icelandic Plague restrictions at that point.0 -
Orientating myself on this, this is Second Age.glw said:
I was reading about him yesterday, he's got quite an impressive academic CV now, has become a well regarded stage actor, and most recently has been cast in the Lord of the Rings TV show (the most expensive televsion show ever). So I'd say he's doing quite a lot even if his profile isn't as high as it once was, but when the Lord of the Rings show starts later this year he'll probably become better known than ever before.Casino_Royale said:Does Lenny Henry only pop up once a year for Comic Relief?
Does he do anything else??
So Foundation of Numenor to the Last Alliance.
Side show of Nargothrond for a bit, and Life in Gondolin.
All the long running characters have to be Elves, as men don't live long enough for a 3500 year story cycle.
And we have Gandalf. And Sauron not Morgoth.
And the Nine Wraiths. Slightly unclear - do we get a Boss Wraith or the King of Angmar?
How on earth are the PC warriors going to pigeonhole this?
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Oh dear, hopefully not the same as our stupid Excel issues of using .xls files with it 65k rows.williamglenn said:
They're saying it's because the figures received by the health ministry don't match the ones collected from the field, so they need to be checked.FrancisUrquhart said:
Is technical issue French for on strike?williamglenn said:France isn't publishing any covid statistics today because of a technical issue.
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FrancisUrquhart said:
No idea why Labour lost the red wall...man says coohhh blimey that tennis player is a looker and which Tory MP is a bit of all right....Stoke man and woman, yes she is good looking lass, carry on drinking pint...Labour top brass, BUUUURRRNNNNN HIIIIIIIIMMMMM.kle4 said:
All sins are equal, and there shall be no forgiveness or opportunity for redemption.Andy_JS said:
As I understand it, that isn't the case and in fact he's been chosen by Starmer for the Hartlepool race.
Isn't this just a solitary Corbynite figure calling for his head?1 -
Reminds me the editor of Teen Vogue has just had to go for a racist tweet from 10 years ago (when she was a teenager) and for which she previously apologized 2 years ago. No redemption ever allowed.LostPassword said:
They're not going to be reasonably forgiving of a party arguing with itself over the ten year old tweets of its candidate for election as MP. They could do with getting a grip of themselves and concentrating on what's important.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.2 -
And in vaccine news, the authorities in the UAE are now giving 3rd doses of the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine to some as the response to the 1st two jabs isn't considered up to scratch.0
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Ah my God. The prickle of tears here.Cookie said:
That is very beautiful.Pagan2 said:for those wondering what I meant by mayday here is a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6VSxh1qRhU
I've heard of the Old Oss, and I've been to Padstow, but only in peak tourist season. Of course, as a tourist, I don't mind seeing it in peak tourist season - the town puts on a good show for its hordes of visitors - but that video is different: that is for the community, not the visitors. These people are somewheres of the first order, to whom home, place and community matter.
This sort of thing happens in miniature up and down the country of course. But seldom so melodically.
I've been to Mayday in Padstow several times. Danced with the Oss. What that wonderful video doesn't tell you is that the singing - of that one, repetitive, hypnotic song - goes on all day, again and again and again, as everyone gets more and more drunk. By dusk it is really quite pagan and aggressive (in an exciting way) - the drumming and the weird movements of Obby Oss - and you can sense how old the tradition is. Some say it is pre-Norman, maybe much older than that. It certainly feels pre-Christian
And what is marvellous, right now, is knowing that in 50 years time the people of Padstow will still be doing that strange dance and singing their mesmerising song, on Mayday, when Covid is just a distant and faded memory,
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Sure, but one shouldn't live one's life by Twitter.Cookie said:
Most people, yes. Lunatics on Twitter, maybe not.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.0 -
Sinopharm. I forget, is that the Chinese one that is supposed to be legit or the one that had already been revealed as very poor?Yokes said:And in vaccine news, the authorities in the UAE are now giving 3rd doses of the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine to some as the response to the 1st two jabs isn't considered up to scratch.
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Sure, but you can find someone attractive you wouldn't necessarily want to date.kinabalu said:
Well on PT Casino said he could never date a Labour lassie. So it's a 2 way street.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.
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The Telegraph have a rather majestic photo of Duchess Bingham KG GCMG GCB attached to an article where she describes Macron as a complete idiot.0
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Isn't the more solid argument for redemption not caring what someone tweeted 10 years or 20 years ago?FrancisUrquhart said:
Reminds me the editor of Teen Vogue has just had to go for a racist tweet from 10 years ago (when she was a teenager) and for which she previously apologized 2 years ago. No redemption ever allowed.
As an aside, I wonder if other parties routinely instruct their prospective candidates to delete their social media history as a prerequisite for being accepted onto a an approved candidates' list?
This you finish up with candidates who have no history - almost Orwellian you might say.0 -
Who is arguing about it? I have just read on here that one Corbynite peer is opposing his candidacy. Is that a big row? Dunno.LostPassword said:
They're not going to be reasonably forgiving of a party arguing with itself over the ten year old tweets of its candidate for election as MP. They could do with getting a grip of themselves and concentrating on what's important.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.0 -
Labour Women's Network are having a mild seizure about it afaics. Presumably Corbynistas will blame Sir Kendrick, and demand that he we-ignite the wevolution.Anabobazina said:
Who is arguing about it? I have just read on here that one Corbynite peer is opposing his candidacy. Is that a big row? Dunno.LostPassword said:
They're not going to be reasonably forgiving of a party arguing with itself over the ten year old tweets of its candidate for election as MP. They could do with getting a grip of themselves and concentrating on what's important.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.
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Did you rule out girls because they voted for the opposite party?Cookie said:
Sure, but you can find someone attractive you wouldn't necessarily want to date.kinabalu said:
Well on PT Casino said he could never date a Labour lassie. So it's a 2 way street.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.
That just seems ridiculous to me.0 -
On his thread I've taken to describing the UK system as "resilient to despotism, whether from Washington or Brussels"Andy_JS said:
Dave wants us to compare the EU with Africa, Asia, South America, Central America, Russia.MattW said:
Boris ?Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
Off topic.
Given where this thread seems to be, Comical Dave has a new graph, and has declared Switzerland to be back in the EU (cockup, not conspiracy):
https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1372963379040686088 . 1 -
Mrs U rarely if ever votes for the same party as me.Anabobazina said:
Did you rule out girls because they voted for the opposite party?Cookie said:
Sure, but you can find someone attractive you wouldn't necessarily want to date.kinabalu said:
Well on PT Casino said he could never date a Labour lassie. So it's a 2 way street.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.
That just seems ridiculous to me.1 -
Ikarran War Machines At Work.....FrancisUrquhart said:
No idea why Labour lost the red wall...man says coohhh blimey that tennis player is a looker and which Tory MP is a bit of all right....Stoke man and woman, yes she is good looking lass, carry on drinking pint...Labour top brass, BUUUURRRNNNNN HIIIIIIIIMMMMM.kle4 said:
All sins are equal, and there shall be no forgiveness or opportunity for redemption.Andy_JS said:0 -
Owen Jones is of course on the case....MattW said:
Labour Women's Network are having a mild seizure about it afaics. Presumably Corbynistas will blame Sir Kendrick.Anabobazina said:
Who is arguing about it? I have just read on here that one Corbynite peer is opposing his candidacy. Is that a big row? Dunno.LostPassword said:
They're not going to be reasonably forgiving of a party arguing with itself over the ten year old tweets of its candidate for election as MP. They could do with getting a grip of themselves and concentrating on what's important.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.0 -
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
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I believe Sinopharm is the most common one in international circulation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Sinopharm. I forget, is that the Chinese one that is supposed to be legit or the one that had already been revealed as very poor?Yokes said:And in vaccine news, the authorities in the UAE are now giving 3rd doses of the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine to some as the response to the 1st two jabs isn't considered up to scratch.
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A quick google is it sinovac that isn't very good. Sinopharm is the one that is supposed to be decent.Yokes said:
I believe Sinopharm is the most common one in international circulation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Sinopharm. I forget, is that the Chinese one that is supposed to be legit or the one that had already been revealed as very poor?Yokes said:And in vaccine news, the authorities in the UAE are now giving 3rd doses of the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine to some as the response to the 1st two jabs isn't considered up to scratch.
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Are there sea shanties in Cornish? Can you give us the words of one?Pagan2 said:
tbh didnt even realise it was such a big deal till nowPagan2 said:
Shrugs I have met other people speaking cornish I can understand from other places so dont see why you say that. Cornish is a dying language its on its last legs these days its just not quite dead yet. I personally dont feel like being an exhibit for linguists as I guess most dont so we arent going to volunteer itLeon said:
I don't think you understand how unique you are. Again, I don't wish to sound skeptical, but if what you are saying is true, it means a European language thought dead, as a mother tongue, for 250 years, actually survived all that timePagan2 said:
Why should I care, it dies out or it doesnt. There are people who speak cornish and those that dont, we really arent bothered about passing it on to other that our childrenLeon said:
Indeed. It would be explosive. Linguists across the world ejaculating in surprise. Quite the survival.CatMan said:
If what you are saying is true, then you should absoultely contact some linguists, because you would be living proof of the Cornish language never becoming exctinct, which woud be *very* big news in the world of both linguistics and Cornish identity.Pagan2 said:
Why would I care about linguists....puzzled here? I can trace my mothers side back to an gof. I don't really care what linguist think nor do I need to chase moneyLeon said:
I've gotta be honest, I don't believe you. That would make you a mother tongue speaker of Cornish, and they died out with Dolly PentreathPagan2 said:
Of course the survey in 1800 may have been wrong there may have been people who refused to admit it. I got taught it by my father and mother who learnt it from their parents etc back several generations far past the 1800'sBenpointer said:
Do you really speak Cornish or do you just know a few words? I am intrigued because Cornish as a language had zero native speakers by 1800.Pagan2 said:
As someone that speaks cornish I agree, should be permitted if translation is there but I dont think everyone should learn cornish and the language of parliament for the time being has to be englishydoethur said:
Because it’s not an official language of the Commons and facilities are not provided to translate it. Nor could they be easily provided given the antiquated nature of the chamber.Gallowgate said:
Why shouldn't a Welsh MP be able to do a speech in Welsh? Inconvenient, sure, but if it's their first language...Philip_Thompson said:
That's exactly how I understood what he was saying too.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't like to ever defend Rees-Mogg, but he doesn't actually say that by my reading.TheScreamingEagles said:Has John Redwood become a SPAD to Jacob Rees-Mogg?
https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1372811601364070404
He says "modest quotation in foreign languages is permissible" and "some [members] occasionally use Latin quips, and that is perfectly allowable" and "Welsh quips and Scots quotations are allowed, but not full speeches" going on to go into the cost of translation of full speeches.
I read that as three separate but related points about foreign languages, dead/classical languages, and UK languages other than English. I don't actually think it's correct that he was referring to Welsh or Scots as "foreign languages".
The key to speeches in debate is that everyone needs to be able to understand them or they are a complete waste of time.
I believe the three surviving Celtic languages *should* be permitted to be used in the Commons, but the fact is at this moment they are not and unless a democratic decision is taken to change and enable that, speeches should be in English.
It's 'revival' in the 1900s must surely have been entirely academic and artificial.
If you are telling the truth, you could make money telling your story to linguists. Right back to the 1800s??!
A bit like the re-discovery of the ceolacanth for zoologists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coelacanth
In the world of linguistics this would be close to miraculous. Cornish is often cited, around the world, as a classic example of HOW languages die out, under pressure from more vigorous competitors
So if it was revealed that in Padstow one family continued speaking Cornish, at home, from 1800-ish to the 1980s, that would be HUUUGE. Really. MAJOR0 -
It would be ironic if in order to address the issues caused by the questions they had raised about the AZ vaccine they ended up relying on a Russian knock-off of AZ.Leon said:
Yes. It works well. There are rumours the Russians just hacked Oxford computers and stole the blueprint of AZ. No idea if that's true. Russia has a proud scientific tradition and is quite capable of making its own vaccinerottenborough said:
I've lost track on Sputnik. Does it work?Black_Rook said:
They've watched Hungary break ranks and the light bulb has flicked on. I'm surprised they've not done it already. The only question must be over production capacity: Germany can doubtless afford to pay whatever it takes to get hold of Sputnik V, but how quickly can it be delivered?Leon said:
The EU has completely failed on vaccines. This is the final admission: Germany goes solo, and buys from Russia.Floater said:
What a disaster
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It's amazing to think that the UK's decision not to join the EU vaccine scheme was possibly the most geopolitically consequential decision of the whole Brexit process.Leon said:
The EU has completely failed on vaccines. This is the final admission: Germany goes solo, and buys from Russia.Floater said:
What a disaster
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The thing with all these cases, for me it comes down to is there consistent evidence of poor behaviour, in particular recently. That is why case of O'Mara was bad, his social media contained a long pattern of outbursts, which were just as bad a few months for his election and evidence he was even worse in person.MattW said:
Somewhere there is a post that Own Jones made to a UK-Left Yahoo Group when he was a wiggling internationalist revolutionary aged 16 engaged in the People's Front of Judea Leftist Uncivil wars. He was not happy when it was republished.FrancisUrquhart said:
Owen Jones is of course on the case....MattW said:
Labour Women's Network are having a mild seizure about it afaics. Presumably Corbynistas will blame Sir Kendrick.Anabobazina said:
Who is arguing about it? I have just read on here that one Corbynite peer is opposing his candidacy. Is that a big row? Dunno.LostPassword said:
They're not going to be reasonably forgiving of a party arguing with itself over the ten year old tweets of its candidate for election as MP. They could do with getting a grip of themselves and concentrating on what's important.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.1 -
Sputtering vaccination program, they called it.Leon said:0 -
Yes. And conversely, the EU's decision to have a pooled vaccine policy, which then turned into a relative nightmare (worsened by the member states, it must be said) proved to be the biggest vindicator OF Brexit.williamglenn said:
It's amazing to think that the UK's decision not to join the EU vaccine scheme was possibly the most geopolitically consequential decision of the whole Brexit process.Leon said:
The EU has completely failed on vaccines. This is the final admission: Germany goes solo, and buys from Russia.Floater said:
What a disaster
An enormous cluster of ironies. It will take historians decades to tease them all out.
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Nah, you’re the enemy. I think I’m subject to a blood oath against you. Anything over the Tamar is evil.Andy_JS said:
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
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That's fair enough though.Leon said:
It did worry experts.
It is working.
Both stories were right.
The moral: we learn stuff.2 -
we'll see how extensive the UAE 3rd dose campaign is going to be over the next few weeks.FrancisUrquhart said:
A quick google is it sinovac that isn't very good. Sinopharm is the one that is supposed to be decent.Yokes said:
I believe Sinopharm is the most common one in international circulation.FrancisUrquhart said:
Sinopharm. I forget, is that the Chinese one that is supposed to be legit or the one that had already been revealed as very poor?Yokes said:And in vaccine news, the authorities in the UAE are now giving 3rd doses of the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine to some as the response to the 1st two jabs isn't considered up to scratch.
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Nor Mrs C (who has, by the way, voted for five different parties (the big five, no nationalists or poxy independents) at the last five general elections.FrancisUrquhart said:
Mrs U rarely if ever votes for the same party as me.Anabobazina said:
Did you rule out girls because they voted for the opposite party?Cookie said:
Sure, but you can find someone attractive you wouldn't necessarily want to date.kinabalu said:
Well on PT Casino said he could never date a Labour lassie. So it's a 2 way street.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.
That just seems ridiculous to me.
But we agree on most things.
I think it's possible for a relationship to work in which partners vote for different parties. But I'd be wary of a relationship in which the other party had completely different values. That's not to say I couldn't be friewith someone with completely different values - that describes many of my friends - but I wouldn't want to be making a life together.
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Bloody experts.Anabobazina said:
That's fair enough though.Leon said:
It did worry experts.
It is working.
Both stories were right.
The moral: we learn stuff.1 -
Or, the British government got the right people in the right roles, gave them authority to make these decisions, and, because they were well-chosen, they made the right call. Risky, but right. And in a plague you have to take risks.Anabobazina said:
That's fair enough though.Leon said:
It did worry experts.
It is working.
Both stories were right.
The moral: we learn stuff.
I am all for criticising our government when they get it wrong. And, as they now admit, they got it terribly wrong in 2020 on masks, quarantine, test and trace. Many died needlessly. In the end, there must be a reckoning.
But no one in the West (Australasia excepted, and they are lucky to be isolated) got this entirely "right", Not Germany (as we now see) not Sweden, not anyone.
But HMG did get one vital thing right, in multiple ways. Vaccines. They got the procurement, the investment, the diverse portfolio, the rigorous contracts, the one dose strategy, almost everything. Massive success.
Credit where credit is due. Make Kate Bingham a duchess.
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I'm sure it's the biggest reason for the turnaround in polling on Scottish independence. Having done more vaccinations in one day than Ireland has done in three months hasn't gone unnoticed either, although their leading expert on England, Fintan O'Toole, is uncharacteristically silent.Leon said:
Yes. And conversely, the EU's decision to have a pooled vaccine policy, which then turned into a relative nightmare (worsened by the member states, it must be said) proved to be the biggest vindicator OF Brexit.williamglenn said:
It's amazing to think that the UK's decision not to join the EU vaccine scheme was possibly the most geopolitically consequential decision of the whole Brexit process.Leon said:
The EU has completely failed on vaccines. This is the final admission: Germany goes solo, and buys from Russia.Floater said:
What a disaster
An enormous cluster of ironies. It will take historians decades to tease them all out.1 -
I've always wondered whether the people of Boyton – and Boyton Mill – think that, or whether the hatred tapers as the Tamar narrows.Time_to_Leave said:
Nah, you’re the enemy. I think I’m subject to a blood oath against you. Anything over the Tamar is evil.Andy_JS said:
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
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I was expecting you to say that, lol. It doesn't work the other way round, does it. Devonians don't dislike Cornish people in the same way as vice versa for some reason.Time_to_Leave said:
Nah, you’re the enemy. I think I’m subject to a blood oath against you. Anything over the Tamar is evil.Andy_JS said:
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
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"Cornwall overtakes London as place most of us want to live"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cornwall-overtakes-london-as-place-most-of-us-want-to-live-hqp2bzpt90 -
Nonsense. The Cornish don't "dislike" people from Devon, at all. They just want to be differentiated from them, that is all - and often government policy lumps them in with Devon (eg the police force or, as was, universities) or even with a greater southwest, inc Bristol, absurdlyAndy_JS said:
I was expecting you to say that, lol. It doesn't work the other way round, does it. Devonians don't dislike Cornish people in the same way as vice versa for some reason.Time_to_Leave said:
Nah, you’re the enemy. I think I’m subject to a blood oath against you. Anything over the Tamar is evil.Andy_JS said:
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
The Cornish have their own identity. And have had, for thousands of years. Let them enjoy it.
The Cornish can take a bit of a funny turn when it comes to super-rich Londoners buying all the nice houses on the Fal estuary, that I admit.0 -
You say Boyton. I say the frontier. Trelawny is not so soon forgotten, and Devon has failed as buffer.Anabobazina said:
I've always wondered whether the people of Boyton – and Boyton Mill – think that, or whether the hatred tapers as the Tamar narrows.Time_to_Leave said:
Nah, you’re the enemy. I think I’m subject to a blood oath against you. Anything over the Tamar is evil.Andy_JS said:
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
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Let’s also remember that both Cornwall and Devon have a navy. We’re one miscalculation away from a war. 99 red balloons and all that.Time_to_Leave said:
You say Boyton. I say the frontier. Trelawny is not so soon forgotten, and Devon has failed as buffer.Anabobazina said:
I've always wondered whether the people of Boyton – and Boyton Mill – think that, or whether the hatred tapers as the Tamar narrows.Time_to_Leave said:
Nah, you’re the enemy. I think I’m subject to a blood oath against you. Anything over the Tamar is evil.Andy_JS said:
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
https://www.devonandsevernifca.gov.uk/
https://www.cornwall-ifca.gov.uk/Cornwall_IFCA_Vessels
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Interesting.
That Goldman-Sachs survey just made the R4 Midnight News.0 -
Just as long as it isn't sung in German.Time_to_Leave said:
Let’s also remember that both Cornwall and Devon have a navy. We’re one miscalculation away from a war. 99 red balloons and all that.Time_to_Leave said:
You say Boyton. I say the frontier. Trelawny is not so soon forgotten, and Devon has failed as buffer.Anabobazina said:
I've always wondered whether the people of Boyton – and Boyton Mill – think that, or whether the hatred tapers as the Tamar narrows.Time_to_Leave said:
Nah, you’re the enemy. I think I’m subject to a blood oath against you. Anything over the Tamar is evil.Andy_JS said:
Some of my distant relatives are from west Devon. Maybe there are some Cornish ones there somewhere as well.Time_to_Leave said:Re: Whether anyone cares about Cornish, I’d like to metaphorically hold my hand up. My grandma was Cornish and it matters to me, not least because it would have mattered to her.
https://www.devonandsevernifca.gov.uk/
https://www.cornwall-ifca.gov.uk/Cornwall_IFCA_Vessels
There'd be hell to pay if it were.0 -
So glad they didn't have Twitter when I was a teenager. I'd probably have been fired from every job I ever had.FrancisUrquhart said:
Reminds me the editor of Teen Vogue has just had to go for a racist tweet from 10 years ago (when she was a teenager) and for which she previously apologized 2 years ago. No redemption ever allowed.LostPassword said:
They're not going to be reasonably forgiving of a party arguing with itself over the ten year old tweets of its candidate for election as MP. They could do with getting a grip of themselves and concentrating on what's important.Anabobazina said:
It’s probably not the sort of thing anyone would choose to put on social media these days, be they male, female or trans. But my understanding is that that the tweet in question was from ten years ago. I suspect most people will be reasonably forgiving.Cookie said:
Well that's what you or I would say.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?
But if you're from a sect within a party which spends its time being furious about everything, this sort of thing will get your goat.3 -
Lets hope we don't get any dry fogs. A repeat of 1783 would not be entirely welcome at the moment...Black_Rook said:
Flight should be OK for the same reason. The volcano is in a relatively remote location and is apparently not a threat to the airport, let alone Reykjavik itself, which stands no realistic chance of being consumed by lava.dixiedean said:
However. Just paid the final instalment on my son's school trip to Iceland in July.Black_Rook said:
I've read about that volcano. I believe it's the kind that spews out big spreading lava flows rather than explosive ejections of ash and gas (like that totally unpronounceable one that went off a few years back.)Floater said:Time to cancel those summer flights ....
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1373036033605054466
The Plague is much more likely to wreck sunshine holiday plans than the eruption.
He's not having much luck with this school lark lately.
Again, his chance of getting there depend rather more on the state of UK and Icelandic Plague restrictions at that point.0 -
It's simple - Labour considers it a very bad thing when anyone but them does it. Hypocrisy is built into their DNA.Anabobazina said:
We’ve done this. Lots of people fancy people from the opposite party. There’s loads of them on here. How many PB Tories openly lust after Lisa Nandy, Rosena Allin-Khan, Rachel Reeves etc.Andy_JS said:
I have a leftie primary school teacher friend who fancies Boris.
So what?0 -
Good morning, everyone.
My dad's having his second jab a couple of weeks earlier than expected, which was a nice surprise.2 -
When the news is grim, it's nice to have a bit of humour.
Kate Bingham, the former UK vaccine supremo, is holding forth about the irresponsibility of European leaders in undermining confidence in the AstraZeneca vaccine.
This is the same woman who publicly said we shouldn't vaccinate healthy younger people for fear of side effects!0 -
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F1: this isn't my type of bet (low odds, longish time frame). But Ladbrokes has a best rookie market Yuki Tsunoda (AlphaTauri) is 1.08. Schumacher and Mazepin are 10 and 15 respectively.
Tsunoda is almost certain to win this, barring serious injury that stops him racing. Haas have already said they aren't developing their car this year. The AlphaTauri was significantly faster last year anyway.
So, if a low odds but very likely bet is your thing, give this a look.1 -
The EU has been saying they shouldn't vaccinate elderly people who die from Covid for fear of side effects.Chris said:When the news is grim, it's nice to have a bit of humour.
Kate Bingham, the former UK vaccine supremo, is holding forth about the irresponsibility of European leaders in undermining confidence in the AstraZeneca vaccine.
This is the same woman who publicly said we shouldn't vaccinate healthy younger people for fear of side effects!
Or because it is quasi-ineffective. It's easy to lose track when discussing the EU's policy towards vaccination. The EU and vaccine common sense haven't been on speaking terms for months now.0 -
Has Nicola Sturgeon resigned yet?1
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It’s the difference between identifying a specific product and a general statementChris said:When the news is grim, it's nice to have a bit of humour.
Kate Bingham, the former UK vaccine supremo, is holding forth about the irresponsibility of European leaders in undermining confidence in the AstraZeneca vaccine.
This is the same woman who publicly said we shouldn't vaccinate healthy younger people for fear of side effects!
No one in the industry has an issue with the concept of risk/benefit. All pharmaceutical products, including vaccines, have side effects. The question is whether the benefits outweigh those risks.
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Astonishing that anyone would defend what Bingham said about its being undesirable to vaccinate the whole population - with any vaccine - for fear of serious side-effects.Charles said:
It’s the difference between identifying a specific product and a general statementChris said:When the news is grim, it's nice to have a bit of humour.
Kate Bingham, the former UK vaccine supremo, is holding forth about the irresponsibility of European leaders in undermining confidence in the AstraZeneca vaccine.
This is the same woman who publicly said we shouldn't vaccinate healthy younger people for fear of side effects!
No one in the industry has an issue with the concept of risk/benefit. All pharmaceutical products, including vaccines, have side effects. The question is whether the benefits outweigh those risks.
The answers may differ on an individual vs a population level
But I should just stop being astonished at people's stupidity over COVID-19.
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I resisted the temptation to bag a first on the new thread.0
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Why don’t you post the precise quote you are referring to? Kate may have been answering a specific question.Chris said:
Astonishing that anyone would defend what Bingham said about its being undesirable to vaccinate the whole population - with any vaccine - for fear of serious side-effects.Charles said:
It’s the difference between identifying a specific product and a general statementChris said:When the news is grim, it's nice to have a bit of humour.
Kate Bingham, the former UK vaccine supremo, is holding forth about the irresponsibility of European leaders in undermining confidence in the AstraZeneca vaccine.
This is the same woman who publicly said we shouldn't vaccinate healthy younger people for fear of side effects!
No one in the industry has an issue with the concept of risk/benefit. All pharmaceutical products, including vaccines, have side effects. The question is whether the benefits outweigh those risks.
The answers may differ on an individual vs a population level
But I should just stop being astonished at people's stupidity over COVID-19.
But nothing I have said is untrue. All medical intervention is a trade off.0 -
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