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In the betting Sturgeon’s chances of being First Minister at the end of the year tighten to 9/4 – po

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  • TresTres Posts: 2,204
    Foxy said:
    I hope the moderate members of the police community make their voice heard.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Has John Redwood become a SPAD to Jacob Rees-Mogg?

    https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1372811601364070404

    I don't like to ever defend Rees-Mogg, but he doesn't actually say that by my reading.

    He says "modest quotation in foreign languages is permissible" and "some [members] occasionally use Latin quips, and that is perfectly allowable" and "Welsh quips and Scots quotations are allowed, but not full speeches" going on to go into the cost of translation of full speeches.

    I read that as three separate but related points about foreign languages, dead/classical languages, and UK languages other than English. I don't actually think it's correct that he was referring to Welsh or Scots as "foreign languages".
    That's exactly how I understood what he was saying too.
    Why shouldn't a Welsh MP be able to do a speech in Welsh? Inconvenient, sure, but if it's their first language...
    Because the commons is supposed to be about debating with your fellow MPs and only a minority speak Welsh fluently
    AFAIU, Liz Saville Roberts simply said 'Happy St Patrick's Day" in Welsh and Irish -- before the jackboots of Lindsay Hoyle -- the Fash of the North -- came crunching swiftly down.

    AFAIU, Rees-Mogg was trying to defend Ms Saville-Roberts use of language, but he referred to Welsh as a "foreign language" because he was arguing that it was analogous to occasional use of Latin or Greek, which is permitted.

    The Moggster said: "I know that some honourable and right honourable members occasionally use Latin quips, and that is perfectly allowable and Welsh quips and Scots quotations are allowed, but not full speeches."

    So, the Moggster is a bit of a wanker, but we knew that. Anyhow, he is not as big a wanker as Lindsay Hoyle.

    I mean, what kind of person responds to "Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona daoibh go léir!" with "Stop that. You can't do that here"
    Disagree. He brackets Welsh quips with Scottish quotations and treats them as distinct to Latin quips.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 12,812
    Andy_JS said:

    LDs calling for stiffer sentences. Interesting.

    It's an obvious fallacy Liberal Democrats are "soft" on law and order. The party has always wanted reform of the criminal justice system and supports rehabilitation as a desired objective.

    The numbers incarcerated and the conditions under which many prisoners exist are legitimate causes for public concern as is the question of the access to proper legal advice for those without the financial resources to afford high-charging members of the legal profession.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    ydoethur said:

    Has John Redwood become a SPAD to Jacob Rees-Mogg?

    https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1372811601364070404

    I don't like to ever defend Rees-Mogg, but he doesn't actually say that by my reading.

    He says "modest quotation in foreign languages is permissible" and "some [members] occasionally use Latin quips, and that is perfectly allowable" and "Welsh quips and Scots quotations are allowed, but not full speeches" going on to go into the cost of translation of full speeches.

    I read that as three separate but related points about foreign languages, dead/classical languages, and UK languages other than English. I don't actually think it's correct that he was referring to Welsh or Scots as "foreign languages".
    That's exactly how I understood what he was saying too.
    Why shouldn't a Welsh MP be able to do a speech in Welsh? Inconvenient, sure, but if it's their first language...
    Because it’s not an official language of the Commons and facilities are not provided to translate it. Nor could they be easily provided given the antiquated nature of the chamber.

    The key to speeches in debate is that everyone needs to be able to understand them or they are a complete waste of time.

    I believe the three surviving Celtic languages *should* be permitted to be used in the Commons, but the fact is at this moment they are not and unless a democratic decision is taken to change and enable that, speeches should be in English.
    Welsh definitely should. I'm not sure if the British population contains enough fluent native speakers of the others to reliably staff a large translation service.

    It's not just a matter of the chamber. If you're going to take bilingualism seriously then you need to reliably translate Bills, Hansard and all the rest of the documentation as well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,905
    edited March 2021

    Floater said:
    Would?

    Not will?
    I think she's already had the Pfizer-BioNTech one. So, while I guess she could double up, it would be a bit odd.

    Edit to add: I could well be completely wrong. So please ignore this comment.

    Edit o add (again): it's mentioned in the Wikipedia page change history, but has since been deleted. So either it happened and she's keeping it quiet (a la Trump). Or someone wrote it on Wikipedia without a source.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606
    rcs1000 said:

    Floater said:
    Would?

    Not will?
    I think she's already had the Pfizer-BioNTech one. So, while I guess she could double up, it would be a bit odd.
    I don't think she's had anything yet, the German programme hasn't reached that age group.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,077
    Hurray for Leeds United
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,973
    Leon said:

    The UK dropped out of the top 20 for cases today. First time in a year, probably, despite testing more per capita than any other large country

    13th for daily deaths

    The UK is also falling down the league table for the overall death rate.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,175
    Tres said:

    Foxy said:
    I hope the moderate members of the police community make their voice heard.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-56454792
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,905
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Floater said:
    Would?

    Not will?
    I think she's already had the Pfizer-BioNTech one. So, while I guess she could double up, it would be a bit odd.
    I don't think she's had anything yet, the German programme hasn't reached that age group.
    You may well be right.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,175
    Andy_JS said:

    LDs calling for stiffer sentences. Interesting.

    Just in time for the Local Erections :lol:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656

    Leon said:

    The UK dropped out of the top 20 for cases today. First time in a year, probably, despite testing more per capita than any other large country

    13th for daily deaths

    The UK is also falling down the league table for the overall death rate.
    Yes, I noticed that too. Overtaken by Hungary today? Not that this is a league table anyone wants to gloat about. Horrific.

    I suspect in the end the UK will be in the 10-20th bracket for overall deaths, ie actual excess deaths. SA, Russia, Iran, and others are surely ahead of us in reality.

    So we did bad, but definitely not the worst.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 39,929
    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse
    When you're chewing on life's gristle
    Don't grumble, give a whistle
    And this'll help things turn out for the best
    And
    Always look on the bright side of life
    Always look on the light side of life

    https://twitter.com/EricIdle/status/1372966780826611712?s=20
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,905
    As an aside, did anyone see the absurdity of France on the AZ vaccine.

    First they said it was "quasi ineffective" on older people
    Now they are only allowing it for older people.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,534
    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Has John Redwood become a SPAD to Jacob Rees-Mogg?

    https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1372811601364070404

    I don't like to ever defend Rees-Mogg, but he doesn't actually say that by my reading.

    He says "modest quotation in foreign languages is permissible" and "some [members] occasionally use Latin quips, and that is perfectly allowable" and "Welsh quips and Scots quotations are allowed, but not full speeches" going on to go into the cost of translation of full speeches.

    I read that as three separate but related points about foreign languages, dead/classical languages, and UK languages other than English. I don't actually think it's correct that he was referring to Welsh or Scots as "foreign languages".
    That's exactly how I understood what he was saying too.
    Why shouldn't a Welsh MP be able to do a speech in Welsh? Inconvenient, sure, but if it's their first language...
    Because it’s not an official language of the Commons and facilities are not provided to translate it. Nor could they be easily provided given the antiquated nature of the chamber.

    The key to speeches in debate is that everyone needs to be able to understand them or they are a complete waste of time.

    I believe the three surviving Celtic languages *should* be permitted to be used in the Commons, but the fact is at this moment they are not and unless a democratic decision is taken to change and enable that, speeches should be in English.
    As someone that speaks cornish I agree, should be permitted if translation is there but I dont think everyone should learn cornish and the language of parliament for the time being has to be english
    Do you really speak Cornish or do you just know a few words? I am intrigued because Cornish as a language had zero native speakers by 1800.

    It's 'revival' in the 1900s must surely have been entirely academic and artificial.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,380
    edited March 2021
    "The EU's AstraZeneca vaccine stance will cost lives, here in Spain and all over Europe
    Giles Tremlett

    Pooling the European Covid vaccine effort was a noble idea. In practice, it has been a disaster"

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/eu-astrazeneca-vaccine-stance-spain-europe-covid


    Isn't this the perfect example of privileging theory over practicalities, which is the cliche that is always thrown in the direction of the EU?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,748
    edited March 2021
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, did anyone see the absurdity of France on the AZ vaccine.

    First they said it was "quasi ineffective" on older people
    Now they are only allowing it for older people.

    Yes - see posts here.

    (Not my posts, but others made this clear)
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,346
    RobD said:

    Has John Redwood become a SPAD to Jacob Rees-Mogg?

    https://twitter.com/BBCWalesNews/status/1372811601364070404

    I don't like to ever defend Rees-Mogg, but he doesn't actually say that by my reading.

    He says "modest quotation in foreign languages is permissible" and "some [members] occasionally use Latin quips, and that is perfectly allowable" and "Welsh quips and Scots quotations are allowed, but not full speeches" going on to go into the cost of translation of full speeches.

    I read that as three separate but related points about foreign languages, dead/classical languages, and UK languages other than English. I don't actually think it's correct that he was referring to Welsh or Scots as "foreign languages".
    That's exactly how I understood what he was saying too.
    Why shouldn't a Welsh MP be able to do a speech in Welsh? Inconvenient, sure, but if it's their first language...
    Because a debate requires both sides to understand. Usually, at least :D
    Yes, the Welsh speaker gains absolutely no advantage by doing so. Having the floor is an advantage to him - why not use it?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,346

    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse
    When you're chewing on life's gristle
    Don't grumble, give a whistle
    And this'll help things turn out for the best
    And
    Always look on the bright side of life
    Always look on the light side of life

    https://twitter.com/EricIdle/status/1372966780826611712?s=20

    What's Eric Idle's beef?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    edited March 2021

    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse
    When you're chewing on life's gristle
    Don't grumble, give a whistle
    And this'll help things turn out for the best
    And
    Always look on the bright side of life
    Always look on the light side of life

    https://twitter.com/EricIdle/status/1372966780826611712?s=20

    lol

    Is Eric Idle a Scot Nat??!

    Or is this just an anti-Tory thing

    Most unexpected

    Wait... let me guess..... Strasbourg Syndrome?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, did anyone see the absurdity of France on the AZ vaccine.

    First they said it was "quasi ineffective" on older people
    Now they are only allowing it for older people.

    Obviously they believe lots of people will die and then they can use it to discredit perfidious Albion and its vaccine
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,346
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK dropped out of the top 20 for cases today. First time in a year, probably, despite testing more per capita than any other large country

    13th for daily deaths

    The UK is also falling down the league table for the overall death rate.
    Yes, I noticed that too. Overtaken by Hungary today? Not that this is a league table anyone wants to gloat about. Horrific.

    I suspect in the end the UK will be in the 10-20th bracket for overall deaths, ie actual excess deaths. SA, Russia, Iran, and others are surely ahead of us in reality.

    So we did bad, but definitely not the worst.
    And, also, this particular table should be treated as indicative only. I suspect many countries lack either the will (Iran?) or the means (Ecuador?) to record all that accurately.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 2,869
    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, did anyone see the absurdity of France on the AZ vaccine.

    First they said it was "quasi ineffective" on older people
    Now they are only allowing it for older people.

    Is that what it meant? I thought they'd said it shouldn't be used for the over 65s, and yesterday restricted it to the 55 to 65 cohort.

    Very glad that wasn't so.

    Good evening, everybody.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,905
    Pfizer now says it will produce 2bn CV19 vaccine doses this year.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    justin124 said:

    FPT
    Kinabalu said:
    'This is the traditional analysis but it's no longer applicable in the new politics forged by the 2016 EU Referendum and its aftermath. If the Tories can't win here, a triumphant Brexit just pocketed, they are losing their grip on what won them their GE majority - their consolidation and ownership of the Leave political identity, transcending class. Which means big trouble for them, since they offer little else except the "Boris" act. If Labour win this seat in May, Starmer will not quite be measuring up the curtains for number 10, but he will be immensely heartened, trust me. '

    I really fail to see the psephological logic here. Is there any serious evidence that voters today in Hartlepool - or anywhere else - are more obsessed with Brexit - and Corbyn - than was the case in December 2019? The Tories failed by some margin to win the seat at a time when both those factors were at their most salient. Why should they be so much more likely to win the seat now - particularly when the national polling evidence shows a more modest Tory lead compared with 16 months ago?

    But where are the 25% who voted Brexit Party going? Brexit is more a salient issue to them, than anyone else, I'd say. Back to Labour, to the arms of arch-Remainer Starmer? To Boris who delivered Brexit? Or staying at home sat on their arse?

    I'd say 20% Labour, 60% Tory, 20% not voting. That's about enough of the vote going Tory to win.
    But that is much like the assumption so many made in 2017 re-the 2015 Ukip vote in seats where the latter stood down.Many defied expectations by switching back to Labour. Beyond that though, the steam has gone out of Brexit as an issue. Discussion of it is pretty well now confined to political anoraks.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187
    rcs1000 said:

    Pfizer now says it will produce 2bn CV19 vaccine doses this year.

    Nice timing given all the AZ trouble this week...
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,885
    Just had a zoom quiz round entirely on Muse songs :o
  • Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    And Germany are going back into Lockdown at a point we were only a week ago.

    Shows how Germany locks down far far far earlier than the UK ever did when things were getting out of control
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,905

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    That Portugal number is quite extraordinary.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,380

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    Portugal's drop is remarkable, and nothing to do with vaccines.

    Friends say the lockdown there is very strict, much more severe than previous examples...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,560
    rcs1000 said:

    Pfizer now says it will produce 2bn CV19 vaccine doses this year.

    How much of the world can handle the cold chain required?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    AnneJGP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, did anyone see the absurdity of France on the AZ vaccine.

    First they said it was "quasi ineffective" on older people
    Now they are only allowing it for older people.

    Is that what it meant? I thought they'd said it shouldn't be used for the over 65s, and yesterday restricted it to the 55 to 65 cohort.

    Very glad that wasn't so.

    Good evening, everybody.
    Hello Anne.

    First the French decided that it was quasi-ineffective in the over 65s, then they (briefly) changed their minds, then they decided it was too dangerous for everyone (because extremely rare blood clots, allegedly,) and now they've decided it's too dangerous for the under 55s but magically becomes perfectly safe after one's 55th birthday party.

    Apparently, polling evidence suggests that only 20% of the French population would now be prepared to have it. I wonder why?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,885
    Pulpstar said:

    Just had a zoom quiz round entirely on Muse songs :o

    The quizmaster's twin brother has won again
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    rcs1000 said:

    Pfizer now says it will produce 2bn CV19 vaccine doses this year.

    How much of the world can handle the cold chain required?
    And utterly irrelevant to the UK if the Belgians prohibit export.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222
    Welsh, Scottish and Irish flags good.

    English and British flags are "flegs", and bad.

    Have I got it right??
  • stodge said:

    Andy_JS said:

    LDs calling for stiffer sentences. Interesting.

    It's an obvious fallacy Liberal Democrats are "soft" on law and order. The party has always wanted reform of the criminal justice system and supports rehabilitation as a desired objective.

    The numbers incarcerated and the conditions under which many prisoners exist are legitimate causes for public concern as is the question of the access to proper legal advice for those without the financial resources to afford high-charging members of the legal profession.
    And the LDs were the biggest supporters of the EAW.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just had a zoom quiz round entirely on Muse songs :o

    The quizmaster's twin brother has won again
    Lockdown has totally put me off quizzes. Possibly for life.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,187

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    And Germany are going back into Lockdown at a point we were only a week ago.

    Shows how Germany locks down far far far earlier than the UK ever did when things were getting out of control
    Alternatively, why did they ever come out of lockdown?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Leon said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    Portugal's drop is remarkable, and nothing to do with vaccines.

    Friends say the lockdown there is very strict, much more severe than previous examples...
    Portugal and the UK were the countries with the worst Christmas/New Year horror shows, and the longest, tightest lockdowns as a result. Much of the rest of the continent now seems, in broad brush terms, to be where we were in December.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    rcs1000 said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    That Portugal number is quite extraordinary.
    Lockdown apparently. I have close friends out there who've endured the whole plague who say the latest lockdown is a total bitch, whereas others were blithely ignored or quite light.

    But it's working.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,885

    rcs1000 said:

    Pfizer now says it will produce 2bn CV19 vaccine doses this year.

    How much of the world can handle the cold chain required?
    And utterly irrelevant to the UK if the Belgians prohibit export.
    Belgium seems to be behaving in a sane manner fortunately for the rest of the world.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,416

    Leon said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    Portugal's drop is remarkable, and nothing to do with vaccines.

    Friends say the lockdown there is very strict, much more severe than previous examples...
    Portugal and the UK were the countries with the worst Christmas/New Year horror shows, and the longest, tightest lockdowns as a result. Much of the rest of the continent now seems, in broad brush terms, to be where we were in December.
    Again an obsession to beat covid-19 whatever the cost to society . Lockdowns cause debt (personal and national) , misery and lost opportunity and mental illness . There has to be a getting away from using it to rises in cvoid -19 - at best it just delays it anyway
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222
    Cookie said:

    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse
    When you're chewing on life's gristle
    Don't grumble, give a whistle
    And this'll help things turn out for the best
    And
    Always look on the bright side of life
    Always look on the light side of life

    https://twitter.com/EricIdle/status/1372966780826611712?s=20

    What's Eric Idle's beef?
    I think that's just what Twitter does to you.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656

    Leon said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    Portugal's drop is remarkable, and nothing to do with vaccines.

    Friends say the lockdown there is very strict, much more severe than previous examples...
    Portugal and the UK were the countries with the worst Christmas/New Year horror shows, and the longest, tightest lockdowns as a result. Much of the rest of the continent now seems, in broad brush terms, to be where we were in December.
    Ireland was very bad, as well, back around Xmas. That may be why some Irish people are so angry now


    https://twitter.com/philthrill69/status/1373015072734318592?s=20
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    Czech Republic 1088 (-10%)
    Estonia 978 (-2%)
    Hungary 738 (16%)
    Poland 509 (37%)
    Bulgaria 474 (33%)
    Sweden 443 (16%)
    France 401 (23%)
    Italy 373 (5%)
    Netherlands 348 (24%)
    Slovakia 338 (-10%)
    Romania 266 (24%)
    Norway 172 (43%)
    Germany 158 (49%)
    Finland 126 (11%)
    Denmark 117 (-11%)
    Ireland 104 (2%)
    Spain 104 (-6%)
    United Kingdom 83 (-3%)
    Portugal 49 (-32%)

    :smile:
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The UK dropped out of the top 20 for cases today. First time in a year, probably, despite testing more per capita than any other large country

    13th for daily deaths

    The UK is also falling down the league table for the overall death rate.
    Yes, I noticed that too. Overtaken by Hungary today? Not that this is a league table anyone wants to gloat about. Horrific.

    I suspect in the end the UK will be in the 10-20th bracket for overall deaths, ie actual excess deaths. SA, Russia, Iran, and others are surely ahead of us in reality.

    So we did bad, but definitely not the worst.
    I think we'll end up lower than that on excess deaths. The UK is now heading to negative excess deaths already. Most of those countries around us won't get to that stage until the autumn.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,924

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just had a zoom quiz round entirely on Muse songs :o

    The quizmaster's twin brother has won again
    Lockdown has totally put me off quizzes. Possibly for life.
    And why is that?

    Is it
    A) A reminder of the lost opportunity of what you could be doing instead?
    B) The on-screen interaction reminding you of the impossibility of actual physical interaction?
    C) Just bloody tedious?
    D) Sick of no winning?

    ;)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,748

    Welsh, Scottish and Irish flags good.

    English and British flags are "flegs", and bad.

    Have I got it right??
    Huw Edwards is pretty ghastly. He's a master undoubtedly of the sneer. Quite hard to imagine how we all earned that.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222
    dixiedean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Just had a zoom quiz round entirely on Muse songs :o

    The quizmaster's twin brother has won again
    Lockdown has totally put me off quizzes. Possibly for life.
    And why is that?

    Is it
    A) A reminder of the lost opportunity of what you could be doing instead?
    B) The on-screen interaction reminding you of the impossibility of actual physical interaction?
    C) Just bloody tedious?
    D) Sick of no winning?

    ;)
    E) All of the above!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,885
    edited March 2021
    We are 22nd on today's cases on Worldometers and have more testing than anywhere else in the top 50 except Denmark and the UAE
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606

    rcs1000 said:

    Pfizer now says it will produce 2bn CV19 vaccine doses this year.

    How much of the world can handle the cold chain required?
    It doesn't require the -80 degree cold chain, the FDA and MHRA have approved it for -27 degree storage which is just an ordinary medical freezer.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222
    It's not a good thing that Europe is flaring up because it will complicate our exit from lockdown. We can't seal ourselves off completely.

    Best hope is we trade magnanimity and help on vaccines to them (Uber) once we get to late May *but* the quid pro quo is they stop being absolute strokers over SPS standards, the Deal & NI, and financial services equivalence.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    Czech Republic 1088 (-10%)
    Estonia 978 (-2%)
    Hungary 738 (16%)
    Poland 509 (37%)
    Bulgaria 474 (33%)
    Sweden 443 (16%)
    France 401 (23%)
    Italy 373 (5%)
    Netherlands 348 (24%)
    Slovakia 338 (-10%)
    Romania 266 (24%)
    Norway 172 (43%)
    Germany 158 (49%)
    Finland 126 (11%)
    Denmark 117 (-11%)
    Ireland 104 (2%)
    Spain 104 (-6%)
    United Kingdom 83 (-3%)
    Portugal 49 (-32%)

    :smile:
    A strikingly ominous number out of Germany. Huge surge
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222
    Does Lenny Henry only pop up once a year for Comic Relief?

    Does he do anything else??
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,009
    What do people think of Simon Jenkins' idea for Covid Bank Holidays over the summer to kickstart consumer spending once we are [mostly] vaccinated?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/covid-bank-holidays-uk-economy-pandemic-summer

    Personally I think I'd have the first one on June 18th, after bringing forward the final unlockdown step forward at least three days.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,748

    What do people think of Simon Jenkins' idea for Covid Bank Holidays over the summer to kickstart consumer spending once we are [mostly] vaccinated?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/covid-bank-holidays-uk-economy-pandemic-summer

    Personally I think I'd have the first one on June 18th, after bringing forward the final unlockdown step forward at least three days.

    Bank holidays are a slight drain on the economy.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,346
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    I'd say Mozambique, Zimbabwe...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,020

    Welsh, Scottish and Irish flags good.

    English and British flags are "flegs", and bad.

    Have I got it right??
    Any home nation flag should only be allowed out on Six Nations and Autumn International weekends. It is crass bad taste to display them on any privately owned building at any other time of the year.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Nah, Mozambique has an AK-47, like Hezbollah. Cannot think of any others.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Nah, Mozambique has an AK-47, like Hezbollah. Cannot think of any others.
    Well remembered
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,924

    What do people think of Simon Jenkins' idea for Covid Bank Holidays over the summer to kickstart consumer spending once we are [mostly] vaccinated?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/covid-bank-holidays-uk-economy-pandemic-summer

    Personally I think I'd have the first one on June 18th, after bringing forward the final unlockdown step forward at least three days.

    Great idea. My second jab is 13th.
    So perfect.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Bolivia and Mozambique I think
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,606
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Mozambique
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,380

    AnneJGP said:

    rcs1000 said:

    As an aside, did anyone see the absurdity of France on the AZ vaccine.

    First they said it was "quasi ineffective" on older people
    Now they are only allowing it for older people.

    Is that what it meant? I thought they'd said it shouldn't be used for the over 65s, and yesterday restricted it to the 55 to 65 cohort.

    Very glad that wasn't so.

    Good evening, everybody.
    Hello Anne.

    First the French decided that it was quasi-ineffective in the over 65s, then they (briefly) changed their minds, then they decided it was too dangerous for everyone (because extremely rare blood clots, allegedly,) and now they've decided it's too dangerous for the under 55s but magically becomes perfectly safe after one's 55th birthday party.

    Apparently, polling evidence suggests that only 20% of the French population would now be prepared to have it. I wonder why?
    You've missed out the fact that for a few hours yesterday it was okay for everyone to take.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Nah, Mozambique has an AK-47, like Hezbollah. Cannot think of any others.
    Well remembered
    Well, it makes it unique to remember, like Nepal's flag being easy to spot. But I guess I remembered wrong about the uniqueness!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    2 with cannons. 1 rifle, one ak47
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Bolivia and Mozambique I think
    Nope, Bolivia is just pikestaffs, no firearms. I am still refraining from Googling
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Mozambique
    The only one with an automatic weapon, the AK47
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,009

    Does Lenny Henry only pop up once a year for Comic Relief?

    Does he do anything else??

    He was a villain in a recent-ish Doctor Who episode. Series finale two-parter, I think it was. Rather good at it too I thought.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,924
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    2 with cannons. 1 rifle, one ak47
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    2 with cannons. 1 rifle, one ak47
    Guatemala.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222
    Why Labour could lose Hartlepool:

    "The ideal candidate for Labour would have been a local person who, while imbued with Labour values and passionate about challenging economic and social inequality, understood working-class Britain and spoke its language, voted to leave the EU, perhaps — God forbid — had a job in the private sector and knew what it was like to take a shower after work rather than before, didn’t obsess about trans rights and wasn’t ashamed of the national flag."

    "Labour has plumped instead — following a process that some are calling a stitch-up — for what appears to be an identikit candidate: Dr Paul Williams, a Remain-voting, university-educated member of the professional and managerial classes who banged the drum very loudly for a second referendum and subscribes to a liberal-progressive worldview. And a budding retread MP to boot. The very opposite, in other words, to what is needed."

    https://unherd.com/2021/03/how-labour-could-lose-hartlepool/
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Leon said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    Portugal's drop is remarkable, and nothing to do with vaccines.

    Friends say the lockdown there is very strict, much more severe than previous examples...
    Portugal and the UK were the countries with the worst Christmas/New Year horror shows, and the longest, tightest lockdowns as a result. Much of the rest of the continent now seems, in broad brush terms, to be where we were in December.
    Again an obsession to beat covid-19 whatever the cost to society . Lockdowns cause debt (personal and national) , misery and lost opportunity and mental illness . There has to be a getting away from using it to rises in cvoid -19 - at best it just delays it anyway
    What we've learned about this particular Plague from everything that's happened over the last year is that it responds to lockdowns, vaccines and possibly to warm, sunny weather (which obviously doesn't help at this time of year.) Nothing else works.

    France and Sweden are examples of two nations that have attempted different varieties of lighter touch approaches. The French curfew only delayed the inevitable. Sweden has managed to get away without a total lockdown but only because of unusual local circumstances (e.g. a very high proportion of single person households,) and it has still laboured under many restrictions whilst at the same time suffering many times the number of deaths per capita of the rest of Scandinavia.

    The restrictions, of which we are all heartily sick and which are doubtless fraying around the edges, were forced upon the Government because the alternative was mass slaughter and the collapse of the healthcare system. At the end of the day they weren't going to allow that to happen in order that pubs could cater to the survivors and their kids could go to school on those days they weren't attending funerals. And we have reason to believe that, because of the vaccines, the next tsunami of deaths has not just been delayed - it now won't happen.

    Of course, the proof of the pudding and all that - we'll only be truly sure that the vaccine project has worked when we are all let out of prison. God alone knows when that will happen (I'm cynical about timetables and afraid that things will go wrong and thus delay them,) but logically, eventually, that point will come. And then we'll know.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Bolivia and Mozambique I think
    Nope, Bolivia is just pikestaffs, no firearms. I am still refraining from Googling
    Canon as well
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    Actually Bolivia is debatable. It could be a musket with a bayonet? Hard to tell
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,924
    Saudi Arabia and Sri Lanka have swords. Not the same I know.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Bolivia and Mozambique I think
    Bolivia has cannons
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    2 with cannons. 1 rifle, one ak47
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    2 with cannons. 1 rifle, one ak47
    Guatemala.
    Correct.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,222

    Welsh, Scottish and Irish flags good.

    English and British flags are "flegs", and bad.

    Have I got it right??
    Any home nation flag should only be allowed out on Six Nations and Autumn International weekends. It is crass bad taste to display them on any privately owned building at any other time of the year.

    Why?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Bolivia and Mozambique I think
    Nope, Bolivia is just pikestaffs, no firearms. I am still refraining from Googling
    Canon as well
    Are the cannon those little circles, one of which has a Liberty cap over the top?

    Bolivia's flag is REALLY shit, with terrible drawing.

    Everything about Bolivia is slightly comical. And I speak as someone who has been there and loved it

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Bolivia_(state).svg
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    What do people think of Simon Jenkins' idea for Covid Bank Holidays over the summer to kickstart consumer spending once we are [mostly] vaccinated?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/covid-bank-holidays-uk-economy-pandemic-summer

    Personally I think I'd have the first one on June 18th, after bringing forward the final unlockdown step forward at least three days.

    The article is OK, but the comments are brilliant -- rants about the money hoarders, empty consumerism, the greedy kleptocracy, the lazy middle-classes with trillions in the bank and Simon Jenkins.

    We could really do with some of those commentators on pb.com as an antidote to its niche high-end and bespoke consumerism.

    My favourite comment is: Won’t extra bank holidays just result in the nice middle class people (who’ve had a rather nice year working from home whilst poor people deliver things to them) having a nice day spent being waited on by poor people who work in bars & restaurants?

    Super !
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,924
    dixiedean said:

    Saudi Arabia and Sri Lanka have swords. Not the same I know.

    And Kenya and Swaziland (which has a new name) have spears.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,127
    ONS relying on PCR tests that detect single gene, despite manufacturers instructions that two or more are required for a + result.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n208/rr-3
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    Think of the second oldest Republic in the Western Hemisphere
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    edited March 2021
    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Bolivia and Mozambique I think
    Nope, Bolivia is just pikestaffs, no firearms. I am still refraining from Googling
    Canon as well
    Are the cannon those little circles, one of which has a Liberty cap over the top?

    Bolivia's flag is REALLY shit, with terrible drawing.

    Everything about Bolivia is slightly comical. And I speak as someone who has been there and loved it

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Bolivia_(state).svg
    Jeez, looks like something designed by committee, with a dozen different symbols wedged in haphazardly as no one would agree to leave their idea out.

    I'm not a fan of just how many plain tricolours there are out there, but with flags you need to keep it simple, stupid! An idiot needs to be able remember it and recreate it easily.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    In La Paz in Bolivia there is a "Museum of the Lost Coastline".

    They lost it to the Chileans (who they still hate) about a hundred and fifty years ago.


    https://boliviaesturismo.com/en/museo-del-litoral-boliviano-la-paz-bolivia-boliviaesturismo/

    The whole country was invented by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, during a major bender
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,380
    edited March 2021
    "German Health Minister Jens Spahn has said that Europe lacks the vaccines needed to significantly reduce cases.

    "We have to be honest about the situation - in Europe we don't have enough vaccines to stop a third wave through vaccinations alone," he told reporters."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56460696


    But:

    "Germany’s Covid vaccine stocks unused because people don’t want AstraZeneca jab"

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/germans-covid-astrazeneca-oxford-vaccine-b921196.html
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,924
    dixiedean said:

    Saudi Arabia and Sri Lanka have swords. Not the same I know.

    As of course does Essex.
    Handy for the Home Guard when the tanks roll through Carter Bar.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    edited March 2021

    What do people think of Simon Jenkins' idea for Covid Bank Holidays over the summer to kickstart consumer spending once we are [mostly] vaccinated?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/19/covid-bank-holidays-uk-economy-pandemic-summer

    Personally I think I'd have the first one on June 18th, after bringing forward the final unlockdown step forward at least three days.

    The article is OK, but the comments are brilliant -- rants about the money hoarders, empty consumerism, the greedy kleptocracy, the lazy middle-classes with trillions in the bank and Simon Jenkins.

    We could really do with some of those commentators on pb.com as an antidote to its niche high-end and bespoke consumerism.

    My favourite comment is: Won’t extra bank holidays just result in the nice middle class people (who’ve had a rather nice year working from home whilst poor people deliver things to them) having a nice day spent being waited on by poor people who work in bars & restaurants?

    Super !
    'Tis a good point, but in the words of Belloc: it is the duty of the wealthy man to provide employment to the artisan.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,564
    Leon said:

    In La Paz in Bolivia there is a "Museum of the Lost Coastline".

    They lost it to the Chileans (who they still hate) about a hundred and fifty years ago.


    https://boliviaesturismo.com/en/museo-del-litoral-boliviano-la-paz-bolivia-boliviaesturismo/

    The whole country was invented by Gabriel Garcia Marquez, during a major bender

    UN ruled against them on the coast thing just a couple of years ago, as I recall.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,020

    Welsh, Scottish and Irish flags good.

    English and British flags are "flegs", and bad.

    Have I got it right??
    Any home nation flag should only be allowed out on Six Nations and Autumn International weekends. It is crass bad taste to display them on any privately owned building at any other time of the year.

    Why?
    Because we should be one big happy family celebrating our common bonds rather than our nationalistic differences.

    We are the United Kingdom!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,656
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Charles said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Current daily Covid cases (per million people) for various European countries:

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1373000369542987776

    You need to be a flag expert to understand this tweet.
    We are all vexicologists now.

    Quick (no google) quiz. Which 4 countries have firearms on their flag?
    Great question. Without Googling, I can't think of ANY

    Cannons, I am guessing? Still can't think of any
    Bolivia and Mozambique I think
    Nope, Bolivia is just pikestaffs, no firearms. I am still refraining from Googling
    Canon as well
    Are the cannon those little circles, one of which has a Liberty cap over the top?

    Bolivia's flag is REALLY shit, with terrible drawing.

    Everything about Bolivia is slightly comical. And I speak as someone who has been there and loved it

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Bolivia_(state).svg
    Jeez, looks like something designed by committee, with a dozen different symbols wedged in haphazardly as no one would agree to leave their idea out.

    I'm not a fan of just how many plain tricolours there are out there, but with flags you need to keep it simple, stupid! An idiot needs to be able remember it and recreate it easily.
    I think it may actually be the worst national flag in the world, I cannot think of any flag which is more confused, unimpressive, visually incoherent, overly complex and which says nothing. You can't even tell the cannons are cannons

    It is on a par with Bolivian food, I am afraid to say
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,924
    edited March 2021
    Foxy said:

    Think of the second oldest Republic in the Western Hemisphere

    Foxy said:

    Think of the second oldest Republic in the Western Hemisphere

    Brazil?
    Edit: Haiti?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,473
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Think of the second oldest Republic in the Western Hemisphere

    Foxy said:

    Think of the second oldest Republic in the Western Hemisphere

    Brazil?
    Edit: Haiti?
    Haiti
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