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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    edited March 2021

    Band E.
    Christ on a bike, thought my band E was bad.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    Quelle fucking surprise. We shall see. An excuse to backtrack on April 12th may well yet be found.
    The dates were stated as 'at earliest' when announced. I hope the timetable doesn't slip, but its better that it does rather than have a more radical backtracking later.

  • you just dont lik her because shes from an Asian background
    Fake news.

    I don't like her because she's a terrible human being and a disgraced national security risk.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    Leon said:

    Kinabalu, the Sinfinder General. Pricking the victims, to see if they bleed. Drooling as they strip
    It's simply that I lack the peculiar mindset required to assume that anything short of KKK white sheets and hanging trees is not racist. And I note no substantive counter-argument yet offered by anybody as to why somebody like Darren Grimes would be flying this flag. He's from Durham.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Amazing achievement. Almost 1% of the population. Previous highest was 598,000 I think.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    Fake news.

    I don't like her because she's a terrible human being and a disgraced national security risk.
    so was Osborne yet he was your pop idol
  • Freggles said:

    Below 1 when we've just opened schools and the % vaccinated is only going to rise. I'll absolutely take that.
    Factor in there's a stronger variant than 12 months ago and lockdown isn't being observed as strictly as 12 months ago then it's an excellent place to be all things considered.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    DavidL said:

    One of them was my wife. Very efficient and no ill effects at all she said from her second head.
    In which head did she have the CVST?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Welcome to the warped world of Kinabalu. Start from a set of pre-determined views and then twist the evidence to fit them.
    Feel free to actually think about the issue at hand.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Thumping! We were already doing a record 0.68 per 100 per day before this, so this'll take us in the stratosphere.

    Calling @IanB2 :wink:
  • so was Osborne yet he was your pop idol
    Well he wasn't, but you need to move on, George Osborne CH hasn't been Chancellor for nearly five years and an MP for nearly four years.

    It'll be good for your soul.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    It's simply that I lack the peculiar mindset required to assume that anything short of KKK white sheets and hanging trees is not racist. And I note no substantive counter-argument yet offered by anybody as to why somebody like Darren Grimes would be flying this flag. He's from Durham.
    I literally gave you the reason. 🤦‍♂️

    It is a campaign to get a free trade and free movement (but no political union) agreement between the 4 countries named.

    Flying that is the same as flying the EU flag, it is symbolising your support for that project. What part of that are you struggling to understand?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    you just dont like her because shes from an Asian background
    The only person I consider to be more authoritarian - and therefore least suited to be Home Secretary - than Patel is the awful excuse for a human being Theresa May.

    Such people should not be allowed within a million miles of positions of authority because they lack the basic ability to empathise.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    Andy_JS said:

    Amazing achievement. Almost 1% of the population. Previous highest was 598,000 I think.
    At what point does the UK second dose figure start to rank #1 in EU + UK and Keating has to find another statistic to prove that the EU is better?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    tlg86 said:

    Welsh and Scottish people display a level of antipathy to the English flag that is not reciprocated by the English.

    Only 44% of Welsh people and 30% of Scottish people hold a favourable view of someone flying the English flag. By contrast, 56-57% of English people have a favourable view of someone flying the Scottish or Welsh flag.

    'Three in ten Labour voters (31%) and four in ten Lib Dem voters (42%) have an unfavourable view of someone flying the England flag. Among Conservative voters this figure is only 16%.

    Likewise, 26% of Labour voters and 30% of Lib Dem voters have an unfavourable view of someone flying the Union Jack, compared to just 12% of Conservative voters.'
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    kinabalu said:

    It's simply that I lack the peculiar mindset required to assume that anything short of KKK white sheets and hanging trees is not racist. And I note no substantive counter-argument yet offered by anybody as to why somebody like Darren Grimes would be flying this flag. He's from Durham.
    Why would half the members of the Labour Party be flying the Palestinian flag when they're from Islington?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Omnium said:

    The dates were stated as 'at earliest' when announced. I hope the timetable doesn't slip, but its better that it does rather than have a more radical backtracking later.

    Depends how much it slips by. If it's "not now but in two weeks' time" then that's vastly better then "not now, not telling you when." Although that said I'm in full-on cynic mode about all these timetables and milestones. I won't believe any of them are going to be met until it actually happens.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Here you go @kinabalu maybe educate yourself before you assume others are racist just because you're unaware of what they mean: https://www.canzukinternational.com/
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255
    kinabalu said:

    Feel free to actually think about the issue at hand.
    I do. You can't.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    Well he wasn't, but you need to move on, George Osborne CH hasn't been Chancellor for nearly five years and an MP for nearly four years.

    It'll be good for your soul.
    No its just good remembering how we dodged the bullet.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    TimT said:

    In which head did she have the CVST?
    Actually neither but she had an unfair advantage. When she had her op on Tuesday they offered her a blood thinning injection afterwards and she thought that might be handy. Unfortunately the nurse gave it to her before they removed the needle from her hand, which proved messy.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,257
    kinabalu said:

    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
    Tricky one, though. Many people may think as you do, but then think some more and, well, do they want to diss the Queen?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759
    edited March 2021

    There's not enough meaty racism left in the Britain for an insatiable disapprover of people like our Kinabula - sadly he came to it too late. Short of inventing a time machine whereby he can return to a time of the National Front and 'No blacks' signs in boarding houses, he must be content with 'tells' to convince him of how thoroughly wicked most other people are.
    Just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Our little nationalists are going to grow under an enabling government and certain insignia will be used to unite against the other. What's more appealing to those with specific tendencies than a union of the Anglophone, the old colonies and the populace of Empire deemed to be people like us.

    Fortunately for the Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders they get a say this time and we know they are not supportive.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 788
    edited March 2021
    kinabalu said:

    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
    Are you sure you're not Emily Thornberry stuck in 2014?

    My parents used to do this during the World Cup, and while it's not something I would do, I wouldn't prejudge someone based on that alone.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    kinabalu said:

    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
    Whereas you are happy to be seen as such
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    HYUFD said:

    No I have understood it.

    The poll you linked to yourself suggested most ethnic minorities wanted statues of slavers removed, which is what the CofE is doing.

    A future black Archbishop of Canterbury could be the next step which would be fine
    You missed (a) that they said it was a distraction from race equality and (b) that they said it represents political correctness going too far. As Sunder says they want to differentiate between the most egregious examples and a year zero approach, because that'd be a polarising distraction. The CoE report points to far more of the latter.

    I supported Sentamu for Archbishop of Canterbury so yes, it would be - why wouldn't it? - but I did so because I thought he'd be the best man for the job.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
    You better not come to my home during The Ashes or World Cup then.

    Maybe over half the country are rational and not hate-filled closed-minded bigots like yourself.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    kinabalu said:

    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
    And that is why your political analysis is just so much GIGO!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    Just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Our little nationalists are going to grow under an enabling government and certain insignia will be used to unite against the other. What's more appealing to those with specific tendencies than a union of the Anglophone, the old colonies and the populace of Empire deemed to be people like us.

    Fortunately for the Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders they get a say this time and we know they are not supportive.
    https://twitter.com/PhilipYip3/status/1104921552146124801?s=20
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    Comedy Dave has finally realised that the EU have made some mistakes in this rather long thread. TL;DR - Mean US & UK prioritized their own citizens. Poor, trusting EU was naive.

    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1372897635577761803
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Just because you don't want to see it doesn't mean it isn't there. Our little nationalists are going to grow under an enabling government and certain insignia will be used to unite against the other. What's more appealing to those with specific tendencies than a union of the Anglophone, the old colonies and the populace of Empire deemed to be people like us.

    Fortunately for the Australians, Canadians and New Zealanders they get a say this time and we know they are not supportive.
    Oh really?

    Actually they are supportive and trade talks are already underway. The Conservative Party of Canada and other parties and politicians across the four countries have endorsed the project - and all four countries are undergoing official trade talks right now.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    edited March 2021
    kinabalu said:

    A sneaky nod to White Power? Or less viscerally, the "chaps we can trust"?
    The percentage of non-white people will almost certainly be higher in Australia, NZ, UK and Canada compared to the EU. In NZ 17% of the population are Maori for example.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    kinabalu said:

    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
    You must distinguish between patriotic flag shagging (very, very good) and nationalist flag shagging (very, very bad). A very, very easy distinction to make apparently.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043

    You missed (a) that they said it was a distraction from race equality and (b) that they said it represents political correctness going too far. As Sunder says they want to differentiate between the most egregious examples and a year zero approach, because that'd be a polarising distraction. The CoE report points to far more of the latter.

    I supported Sentamu for Archbishop of Canterbury so yes, it would be - why wouldn't it? - but I did so because I thought he'd be the best man for the job.
    The fact they want race equality as well does not change the fact most of them still wanted to remove statues of slavers.

    They only said the statues debate was PC gone too far on a general level eg Churchill's statue for instance, they still supported removing slavers statues overall
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814

    You missed (a) that they said it was a distraction from race equality and (b) that they said it represents political correctness going too far. As Sunder says they want to differentiate between the most egregious examples and a year zero approach, because that'd be a polarising distraction. The CoE report points to far more of the latter.

    I supported Sentamu for Archbishop of Canterbury so yes, it would be - why wouldn't it? - but I did so because I thought he'd be the best man for the job.
    Quite. A fine man. And I would imagine high up in his order of business would be to gut the CofE of its parasitical manager class that comes up with utter twaddle like this statues report.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Omnium said:

    The dates were stated as 'at earliest' when announced. I hope the timetable doesn't slip, but its better that it does rather than have a more radical backtracking later.

    Precisely nobody I know is paying any heed to the "at the earliest" garbage.

    The roadmap is already extremely conservative.

    It must be adhered to.
  • That should be enough to lose her her job. It probably won't but it should do.

    It doesn't remove criticism of the police for the way they behaved but she should have been honest that she was in agreement with them rejecting compromise rather than pretending it had nothing to do with her. It makes those who were calling for Kahn's look pretty foolish. (and for the record I wouldn't vote for Khan in a million years)
    Why would she lose her job? What has she done?
    She told the police they should stop people gathering
    She told the police she would speak out publicly not to gather - and didn't
    She criticised the police for stopping people gathering
    She told the police they have her full support

    It doesn't matter that she is a scheming cow happy to throw people under the bus for her own smirking self-advancement. This isn't remotely the worst thing she has done and gotten away with. She is untouchable.

    This though is the context through which I view Tory calls for Sturgeon to resign. As Patel doesn't even consider her position why should nippy?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,839
    French PM does get his AstraZeneca jab.
    https://twitter.com/CNEWS/status/1372909619366989824
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    RobD said:

    So let me get this straight, the vaccine that is only 'quasi-effective' for the oldies can now only be used exclusively for the oldies. Macron, you are a complete tool.

    I think you meant to say "self taught expert"

  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759

    Oh really?

    Actually they are supportive and trade talks are already underway. The Conservative Party of Canada and other parties and politicians across the four countries have endorsed the project - and all four countries are undergoing official trade talks right now.
    Actions peak louder than words no?

    Australia rejects visa-free immigration deal with UK
    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6119925706001

    A trade deal is not a promise of EU style freedom of movement.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,649
    edited March 2021

    In the most recent test of public opinion amongst ethnic minorities by “Hope Not Hate” (dated August 2020) (https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/BAME-report-2020-08-v3-00000003.pdf) around two-thirds supported the removal of statues of slavers but a very wide majority of 60% to 15% felt it was a distraction from the substantive issue of race equality.

    A majority of ethnic minorities also agreed that the statues debate represented "political correctness" going too far by 52% to 22%.

    As Sunder Katwala has said this shows “a concern to differentiate between the most egregious examples and a sweeping 'year zero' idea of interrogating every historical figure by contemporary standards”; “views of ethnic minority Britons could be summed up as one of frustration that these polarising culture wars misrepresent and trivialise ethnic minority concerns about race equality.”

    The CoE seems to have decided to go for the year zero approach in response. It's wrong.
    I don't know what they have decided, as no one has seen the full report yet. Since a huge number of these statues will be listed, it may well be mainly educational notices or paragraphs in the church guide.

    I don't think even the Church's own planning system can move listed parts of buildings with a Max Bygraves "Just Like That". It can be subject to Judicial Review.

    My concern is that the whole thing is a one-eyed view of slavery, and I don't think the CofE should agree to be gaslit.

    We can be sure that Simon Jenkins will have kittens several weeks in a row.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,480

    Precisely nobody I know is paying any heed to the "at the earliest" garbage.

    The roadmap is already extremely conservative.

    It must be adhered to.
    Nonetheless the dates were announced as such.

    (Personally I think it's entirely reasonable to allow slippage if needed, and sensible to have announced the plan as they did.)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,649

    Actions peak louder than words no?

    Australia rejects visa-free immigration deal with UK
    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6119925706001

    A trade deal is not a promise of EU style freedom of movement.
    Last time I went to Oz, it was a short online form followed by putting my passport into a machine for 15 seconds at the airport.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,255

    Why would she lose her job? What has she done?
    She told the police they should stop people gathering
    She told the police she would speak out publicly not to gather - and didn't
    She criticised the police for stopping people gathering
    She told the police they have her full support

    It doesn't matter that she is a scheming cow happy to throw people under the bus for her own smirking self-advancement. This isn't remotely the worst thing she has done and gotten away with. She is untouchable.

    This though is the context through which I view Tory calls for Sturgeon to resign. As Patel doesn't even consider her position why should nippy?
    I think Sturgeon should go as well. She has tried to destroy a man's reputation in the most vile manner. And I say that as someone who was, until last year, a big fan of Sturgeon even if is disagreed with some of her policies. I am hugely disappointed that she has lived down to the reputation of all politicians.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/PhilipYip3/status/1104921552146124801?s=20
    Ok its popular but will it happen? The Australian government seem pretty keen to keep Brits at arms length.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    kinabalu said:

    LOL. That is a bollocks poll! So you go to some blokes's house and see he's got the flag of St George billowing from the roof - and OVER HALF of people say they APPROVE of that?

    Come off it. You get out of there pronto, wondering what's down in the cellar.

    No, that's people not answering honestly for fear of coming over as snobby and judgemental.
    You might be correct Mrs Thornberry
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    Ok its popular but will it happen? The Australian government seem pretty keen to keep Brits at arms length.
    Given how many end up going there it doesn't seem to be that effective!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Actions peak louder than words no?

    Australia rejects visa-free immigration deal with UK
    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6119925706001

    A trade deal is not a promise of EU style freedom of movement.
    Free movement doesn't need to be EU-style, there are other ways of having free movement.

    From your own link "changes to work rights would be proposed and accepted on both sides but not full free movement" - so it depends what changes are accepted.

    Australia and New Zealand already have a free movement agreement between themselves but it is not full EU style free movement. There are many flaws in the EU free movement scheme that don't exist in the Aus/NZ one and if a future agreement was close to the Aus/NZ one that would be a good thing.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924

    I think Sturgeon should go as well. She has tried to destroy a man's reputation in the most vile manner. And I say that as someone who was, until last year, a big fan of Sturgeon even if is disagreed with some of her policies. I am hugely disappointed that she has lived down to the reputation of all politicians.
    If trying to destroy a mans reputation is the bar. Most of the PLP would be off
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759
    MattW said:

    Last time I went to Oz, it was a short online form followed by putting my passport into a machine for 15 seconds at the airport.
    To travel yes but you were not treated as a citizen of Australia nor have the freedom to live, work and retire in the lucky country.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Ok its popular but will it happen? The Australian government seem pretty keen to keep Brits at arms length.
    They are? Then why are they, as per your own link, saying that "changes to work rights would be proposed and accepted on both sides"?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,243

    Ok its popular but will it happen? The Australian government seem pretty keen to keep Brits at arms length.
    The main reason it won't happen is that the population of Britain would drop like Lithuania in the noughties.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Omnium said:

    Nonetheless the dates were announced as such.

    (Personally I think it's entirely reasonable to allow slippage if needed, and sensible to have announced the plan as they did.)
    It is already extremely conservative. Any slippage will be a disaster for the hospitality industry, which is already gearing up for those launch dates. Of course, many on PB will be happy to see it slide.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    There's not enough meaty racism left in the Britain for an insatiable disapprover of people like our Kinabula - sadly he came to it too late. Short of inventing a time machine whereby he can return to a time of the National Front and 'No blacks' signs in boarding houses, he must be content with 'tells' to convince him of how thoroughly wicked most other people are.
    You're not the deepest of thinkers on this topic, though, are you? Somebody would need to be sat on a Union Jack sofa, wearing a "Jim Davidson: The White Riot Tour" tee-shirt, and watching endless reruns of Love Thy Neighbour before your antenna would pick up the faintest signal. And even then ...
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759

    Free movement doesn't need to be EU-style, there are other ways of having free movement.

    From your own link "changes to work rights would be proposed and accepted on both sides but not full free movement" - so it depends what changes are accepted.

    Australia and New Zealand already have a free movement agreement between themselves but it is not full EU style free movement. There are many flaws in the EU free movement scheme that don't exist in the Aus/NZ one and if a future agreement was close to the Aus/NZ one that would be a good thing.
    And as much as the world cares I'd be very happy with a close a deal as possible and I was wrong about the popularity of it.

    But, this is not the thrust of what I was arguing before. That a minority in the UK see the flag and are not using it for the principle of closer union but division at home.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    Going to be SADDDDDD when we go back down to 300-400k a day in a few weeks....when we know the infrastructure and systems are in place to efficiently do double that.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    I see the EU are coming over here winning our races at Cheltenham


    They appear to hold all the cards
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Q: Why are you calling Darren Grimes a racist?
    A: Because he's flying the CANZUK flag.
    Q: Why is that racist?
    A: Because racists fly that flag.
    Q: Racists like who?
    A: Darren Grimes.

    See also: St George's cross, the Union Jack.
    Why not show just a little intellectual curiosity about why people do what they do? It won't bring you out in a rash, I promise.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,649
    edited March 2021
    TimT said:

    At what point does the UK second dose figure start to rank #1 in EU + UK and Keating has to find another statistic to prove that the EU is better?
    This is vs EU average.

    So maybe a new graph needed around end of March.



  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    I presume comedy dave has given up with the alister haimes type charts showing the EU winning....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited March 2021
    One of the big consistent takeaways I repeatedly hear about the vaccination system is just how quick, efficient and well organized it....which isn't the universal experience of normally going to the GPs or NHS appointments.

    Its seamless to book a vaccinantion slot, something that can't be said about GP visit for many.

    Hopefully lessons can learned across the system and wider across other customer facing public sector.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    HYUFD said:
    Unionist vote realising it had to coalesce around Labour to beat the SNP.....
  • ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 509
    edited March 2021
    MattW said:

    I don't know what they have decided, as no one has seen the full report yet.
    Haven't they?

    Last year the church set up a ‘taskforce’ whose resulting report (‘From Lament to Action: Report of the Archbishops’ Anti-Racism Taskforce’) is due before the Archbishops’ Council next week. Happily, a copy found its way into my hands first... 'The BLM movement and in particular the dumping of the Colston statue in Bristol docks shed new light and brought needed urgency to the C of E’s consideration of its own contested heritage.’ The report makes it clear that the church is going to have to bring down monuments and statues that disturb the modern mind, for ‘Our churches should be welcoming spaces for all and we must deal with any part of the church building that may cause pain or offence’.

    We'll see how accurate that summary may be shortly, but 'The report makes it clear that the church is going to have to bring down monuments and statues' is pretty categorical...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,649
    kinabalu said:

    Why not show just a little intellectual curiosity about why people do what they do? It won't bring you out in a rash, I promise.
    Remember that Darren Grimes' chair has 4 legs.

    And there are 4 arms on a Swastika.

    He must be a real Nazi.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005

    Going to be SADDDDDD when we go back down to 300-400k a day in a few weeks....when we know the infrastructure and systems are in place to efficiently do double that.
    They always have been. Supply has always been the biggest constraint. If the UK hadn't much such efforts to secure our supply chain then we would probably be in a similar position to the EU. I suspect though even if we had we would have distributed it better than them and certainly not have encouraged anti-vaccers.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357
    MattW said:

    This is vs EU average.

    So maybe a new graph needed around end of March.



    The Drakeford surge.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    Loads of female Labour MPs are fit. Those are great picks (although Liz Kendall isn't quite my type) and Gloria de Piero, Stella Creasey and Luciana Berger? Gorgeous. And I liked Caroline Flint. Even Angela Rayner can have something about her, as can Sarah Champion.

    However, I can't imagine it'd be much fun dating them. So earnest and serious, and you'd be treading on eggshells the whole time whilst waiting to receive lectures about patriarchy and transgenderism.

    Ugh.
    Very odd post. The last para, I mean.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    Foxy said:

    The main reason it won't happen is that the population of Britain would drop like Lithuania in the noughties.
    So would New Zealand's to be fair, Australia's would probably double overnight.

    Though it might reduce the pressure here for new housing
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    And as much as the world cares I'd be very happy with a close a deal as possible and I was wrong about the popularity of it.

    But, this is not the thrust of what I was arguing before. That a minority in the UK see the flag and are not using it for the principle of closer union but division at home.
    I don't think anyone is using it for division because few people even know what it means. Its been designed as a symbol of friendship and unity between countries so you and @kinabalu trying to turn it into a symbol of division is just bitter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    AlistairM said:

    They always have been. Supply has always been the biggest constraint. If the UK hadn't much such efforts to secure our supply chain then we would probably be in a similar position to the EU. I suspect though even if we had we would have distributed it better than them and certainly not have encouraged anti-vaccers.
    Yes we know this, but to see the supply appear for a week or two, seeing it actually been done consistently, then back down to half that is psychologically worse.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809
    Leon said:

    Indeed. Everyone should have the option, is what I suggest. My mum's visits to docs and hospitals are basically her social life, apart from family. She'd genuinely miss them
    That's very sad. I hope you're exaggerating a tad.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited March 2021

    Unionist vote realising it had to coalesce around Labour to beat the SNP.....
    Yes encouraging as the Tories got the Unionist vote in Helensburgh and gained the seat there so tactical voting clear again

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1372915784205369347?s=20
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759
    HYUFD said:

    So would New Zealand's to be fair, Australia's would probably double overnight.

    Though it might reduce the pressure here for new housing
    Although both Aus and NZ are having problems with their inflated housing markets. If you can't buy in the UK you can't buy in the antipodean.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,665
    edited March 2021
    Time arrest and imprison Toby Young & Lockdown sceptics, they peddling dangerous bullshit that would make Macron proud.

    https://twitter.com/whippletom/status/1372921159084343309
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    Helensburgh and Lomond South (Argyll & Bute) first preferences:

    CON: 50.7% (+11.7)
    SNP: 23.6% (+5.8)
    LDEM: 14.0% (-8.1)
    LAB: 5.6% (-2.9)
    GRN: 5.2% (+5.2)
    WORK: 0.9% (+0.9)

    Seat change:
    Conservative GAIN from Liberal Democrat.

    LDem elected under STV in 2017.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,649
    edited March 2021

    Why do I get the feeling that this Keating twitter thread leads inexorably to the final conclusion that what the EU did wrong was being too lovely and too kind to the evil Brits and that they really should have practiced tough love and bombed London.
    Yes. It's just the latest version of a fabricated narrative, pulling together what he happens currently to have noticed.

    On this one he hasn't realised yet that the USA has announced exports to Canada and Mexico, so here he says:

    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1372897671053213699
  • One of the big consistent takeaways I repeatedly hear about the vaccination system is just how quick, efficient and well organized it....which isn't the universal experience of normally going to the GPs or NHS appointments.

    Its seamless to book a vaccinantion slot, something that can't be said about GP visit for many.

    Hopefully lessons can learned across the system and wider across other customer facing public sector.

    That was my experience, and the same for everyone I have spoken to about it.

    Makes me think the Army must have been involved somewhere but I don't know.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,735

    That was my experience, and the same for everyone I have spoken to about it.

    Makes me think the Army must have been involved somewhere but I don't know.
    It's a simple IT project thrown at people who know what they are doing.

    Create a system that allows x slots to be booked on this date at these locations - it really is a very easy task to do.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    edited March 2021
    About half of Tories went to Labour. 3% went to SNP.

    The Tory first round was much down (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/former-glasgow-tory-councillor-disqualified-23299511), so not a complete picture.

    The SNP got a similar proportion of Scottish Green votes. Labour got 30% which I find a little surprising, although that includes some LD/CON voters which the Greens had picked up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,043
    edited March 2021

    Although both Aus and NZ are having problems with their inflated housing markets. If you can't buy in the UK you can't buy in the antipodean.
    Plenty of UK home owners would move to Australia, better weather and higher average salaries, not just those without home ownership who might actually find homes here more affordable if the population in the UK falls and there is less demand
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    Yes we know this, but to see the supply appear for a week or two, seeing it actually been done consistently, then back down to half that is psychologically worse.
    I am not at all sure I agree with that. Seeing jabs in arms numbers go up and down as a sign that doses are being used as soon as they are available is to me very reassuring. Holding on to some jabs to smooth out the flow would not be reassuring at all - just a transparent ploy.

    In any flow process there is a rate-limiting step. Most people intuitively understand this. And they understand that it is far, far better that this rate limiting step is production rather than anything else downstream.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,735
    kinabalu said:

    That's very sad. I hope you're exaggerating a tad.
    I suspect that's fairly common as most conversations now are almost about what aliments people have - the we saw abc while doing x and def while doing Y doesn't exist.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    In case there was any doubt about Delingpole's lunacy:

    https://twitter.com/JamesDelingpole/status/1372923088220913671?s=20
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,786
    kinabalu said:

    It's simply that I lack the peculiar mindset required to assume that anything short of KKK white sheets and hanging trees is not racist. And I note no substantive counter-argument yet offered by anybody as to why somebody like Darren Grimes would be flying this flag. He's from Durham.
    I'll talk you through it.

    Some people think the UK would have more power and say in the world if we were in a union with like-minded countries. I imagine you are one of them, except for you it is the EU

    For many eurosceptics, the EU is deeply sub-optimal because all the countries are too different (Bulgaria with Greece with Finland with Ireland?) it takes too much sovereignty, is way too bureaucratic, it can never be truly democratic, things like the euro are huge problems, and it is generally quite shit at doing important stuff, such as vaccines during a global plague

    These people think Britain would be better off in a different, looser union with countries culturally more similar to us, who have a similar standard of living, the obvious examples around the globe are Oz, Canada, NZ, with whom we ALREADY share: a language, common law, a monarchy, and parliamentary systems - that is why they are culturally similar.

    That's it. It's got fuck all to do with race, except in your tiny, feverish, witch-hunting brain
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    The whole BBC flag stuff, reminds me when Emily Thornberry dug herself a hole over similar incident.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,735
    MattW said:

    Yes. It's just the latest version of a fabricated narrative, pulling together what he happens currently to have noticed.

    On this one he hasn't realised yet that the USA has announced exports to Canada and Mexico, so here he says:

    https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1372897671053213699
    He has - the US are allowing AZ vaccines to be exported but not Pfizer ones.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited March 2021
    Sandpit said:

    Well, that was most unexpected. Went to drop wifey at the vaccine centre and they invited me in too. 10 mins later and I’m sitting in the exit waiting room. Good times, thanks Pfizer and BioNTech. 💉

    The sand pit is having a very impressive vaccine roll out, really not far behind Israel. Maybe that's a motivating factor...
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,759

    I don't think anyone is using it for division because few people even know what it means. Its been designed as a symbol of friendship and unity between countries so you and @kinabalu trying to turn it into a symbol of division is just bitter.
    The CANZAC crest Grimes is using does not appear to be on the organisation that's fronting the project
    https://www.canzukinternational.com

    on the wiki
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CANZUK

    This seems to be the most popular but I'm not sure
    https://external-preview.redd.it/rIHxo1aKxO3xJgsLjLv7uuJjp6zRNBKeU64apEgG1Mc.png?auto=webp&s=b14720a2a21659166dd1ab519b447c8bc88281bd

    It like you say is not well known.

    It just looks like and I'm exposing my prejudice, a useful little crusader style insignia. One that could be stapled to the brim of a hat, pinned to armband or for the fanatical tattooed on a bicep.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    eek said:

    He has - the US are allowing AZ vaccines to be exported but not Pfizer ones.
    But it is still a selective narrative, implying that only the EU is exporting vaccines, whereas the US is about to start on a large scale.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    The Tories were in almost exactly the same position in 2008 as Labour is now - out of power for 11 years straight, only 198 seats to their name. What would you have said then if the Tories - instead of seizing Labour seats like Crewe and Nantwich, which they did - had desperately tried to spin retaining one of their own heartland seats as a victory? It would have been laughable then, and it's laughable now.
    But 2008 was ye olde world. Before the EU referendum transformed the landscape. We need a new way to analyse things now. Look, I could be wrong, but I'm perfectly serious. If Labour win Hartlepool in May, per how I'm reading the political runes, it bodes ill for the Tories. I'm not seeking to pollute the thread with partisan spin. I'm being my usual 'objective to a fault' self. If you try the same you'll see I have a great point. And btw it's not a prediction. My money is on the Cons winning Hartlepool. £50 at evens. And I have big money on Cons largest party at the next GE at 1.8.
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