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LibDem isn’t he?Leon said:Is this a Nat beating up Sturgeon?
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So why the excitement about them? Is it mainly a shiny badge to give to local MPs and mayors?rcs1000 said:
Personally... I think the age of Freeports is rather behind us. They are great for emerging economies with high tariff barriers looking to learn a little bit about the world. But given the UK has relatively low tariffs, and that stuff finished in free port manufacturing zones is often exempted from FTAs, I think they are likely to remain unused except for very low value add "putting stuff in boxes".Richard_Tyndall said:
So he said. I have no idea of the truth of that because I suppose it depends entirely on what he means as a Freeport compared to what the EU means.Daveyboy1961 said:
Is this the Freeport which supposedly the EU was preventing us from having?Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't even get one of those. The only inland Freeport is East Midlands Airport which is well outside the West Midlands.ping said:I think Andy Street is disappointed.
Expected more for the WM than just a Freeport.1 -
You do know that when you buy a new car, and you turn it on, and there's that big screen about Terms & Conditions for using the in car systems (without which your car will basically not work), that you are agreeing they have the right to sell your location data to whoever they want, right?Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
Anyone buying a new Ford, Tesla, GM, etc., today has already agreed to let Google and Amazon look at your location history so as to work out what things to sell you.0 -
Yes.Stuartinromford said:
So why the excitement about them? Is it mainly a shiny badge to give to local MPs and mayors?rcs1000 said:
Personally... I think the age of Freeports is rather behind us. They are great for emerging economies with high tariff barriers looking to learn a little bit about the world. But given the UK has relatively low tariffs, and that stuff finished in free port manufacturing zones is often exempted from FTAs, I think they are likely to remain unused except for very low value add "putting stuff in boxes".Richard_Tyndall said:
So he said. I have no idea of the truth of that because I suppose it depends entirely on what he means as a Freeport compared to what the EU means.Daveyboy1961 said:
Is this the Freeport which supposedly the EU was preventing us from having?Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't even get one of those. The only inland Freeport is East Midlands Airport which is well outside the West Midlands.ping said:I think Andy Street is disappointed.
Expected more for the WM than just a Freeport.3 -
Raising electricity prices further would be an interesting idea, politically.Gallowgate said:Taxing electricity use per kWh is better than per mile because it encourages people to buy as efficient vehicles as possible.
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He’s goodTime_to_Leave said:
Or, alternatively, she is now so tired and weakened she’s easier to hit
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I'm getting Cheadle muddled with somewhere else. Sorry.MattW said:
Is this a new wave?eek said:
The only town that qualified in Co. Durham was Bishop Auckland and their plan is a mad hotchpotch of expensive ideas that totaled £47m.Gallowgate said:
Distinct lack of North East towns such as those in Co. Durham away from Teesside and Northumberland. Have the Tories given up on them?Casino_Royale said:
That's how I'd spin it, yes ;-)Philip_Thompson said:
Isn't that because almost towns are marginals? The cities are Labour, the rural areas Tory and the towns are the marginals?Casino_Royale said:Towns Fund Deal. Spot the marginal:
North East: Middlesbrough, Thornaby-On-Tees 46
North West: Preston, Workington, Bolton, Cheadle, Carlisle, Leyland, Southport, Staveley, Rochdale 211
Yorkshire and the Humber: Wakefield, Whitby, Scarborough, Grimsby, Castleford, Goldthorpe, Scunthorpe, Morley, Stocksbridge 199
East Midlands: Newark, Clay Cross, Skegness, Mablethorpe, Boston, Lincoln, Northampton, Mansfield 175
West Midlands: Wolverhampton, Kidsgrove, Rowley Regis, Smethwick, West Bromwich, Burton-on-Trent, Nuneaton 155
East of England: Lowestoft, Colchester, Stevenage, Great Yarmouth, Ipswich, Milton Keynes 148
South East: Crawley, Margate 43
South West: Swindon, Bournemouth 41
The reality is that places like Fareham, Gosport, Alton, Wellington etc. could really use this money too. But, they're not key marginals.
I get it, but it's a bit obvious (I have a bit of inside info on this btw, because I know there was a shortlisting)
I don't know why it failed but I suspect the answer was they asked for too much for too many bits as they couldn't decide on their priorities.
Mansfield already had £10m iirc.
What's Bournemouth doing on the list - they can introduce a Sandbanks Tax and a Grand Designs Tax instead.
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Yes.Stuartinromford said:
So why the excitement about them? Is it mainly a shiny badge to give to local MPs and mayors?rcs1000 said:
Personally... I think the age of Freeports is rather behind us. They are great for emerging economies with high tariff barriers looking to learn a little bit about the world. But given the UK has relatively low tariffs, and that stuff finished in free port manufacturing zones is often exempted from FTAs, I think they are likely to remain unused except for very low value add "putting stuff in boxes".Richard_Tyndall said:
So he said. I have no idea of the truth of that because I suppose it depends entirely on what he means as a Freeport compared to what the EU means.Daveyboy1961 said:
Is this the Freeport which supposedly the EU was preventing us from having?Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't even get one of those. The only inland Freeport is East Midlands Airport which is well outside the West Midlands.ping said:I think Andy Street is disappointed.
Expected more for the WM than just a Freeport.1 -
Personally I don't think that for a second. I agree that simply wanting to block someone returning to frontline politics is not grounds for a plot to destroy and imprison them, but I think that's because there are more layers to this that both Salmond and Sturgeon are aware of, but the public is not. They are fighting to the death, but there's implicit agreement at the same time to do it within certain limits - many of them legal.Leon said:My conclusion from this committee is that Sturgeon may be telling the truth, in part. She wasn’t involved in a conspiracy - she genuinely pursued it for the complainers and MeToo. However there WAS a lower level ‘conspiracy’ - call it ‘over-eagerness to please the Leader’ - which she discovered to her horror. Everything since has been cover-up
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Well, I think there's a world of difference between choice and compulsion. And public opinion can move both ways, it's not inevitable it goes in one direction. Most people are horrified when they realise how their data is abused.Richard_Tyndall said:
I understand and share your views on this. But like Canute I have to point out the futility of trying to hold back the tide. Most new drivers are now opting for the black boxes in their cars which monitor everything they do and where they go to get themselves cheaper insurance. It is the only way most of them can afford to even get insurance.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
So the public view is changing. Combined with the ubiquity of mobile phones and other trackable devices I am afraid that people like us who still try to hold on to the illusion of living offline, away from governmental scrutiny, are becoming dinosaurs.
If the Government gave a choice - tax on the clock, or per KwH (at a slightly higher rate maybe) or real-time road pricing - I might accept it. But, I want that choice because monopolies are dangerous, and I simply don't trust them.
The new technological/AI age cannot be one where all agency and control is stripped away from the citizen in the name of "efficiency".
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This isn't in line with my experience. My view is that telematics has been a miserable failure, and other than cases where they physically can't buy a policy without one, drivers tend to opt out.Richard_Tyndall said:
I understand and share your views on this. But like Canute I have to point out the futility of trying to hold back the tide. Most new drivers are now opting for the black boxes in their cars which monitor everything they do and where they go to get themselves cheaper insurance. It is the only way most of them can afford to even get insurance.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
So the public view is changing. Combined with the ubiquity of mobile phones and other trackable devices I am afraid that people like us who still try to hold on to the illusion of living offline, away from governmental scrutiny, are becoming dinosaurs.
It's worth remembering that telematics doesn't reduce insurance costs in aggregate - in fact it increases them, because the cost of the box and monitoring driving ability is non-zero. All it does is help the better drivers to prove they're deserving of lower premiums faster than they would normally (ie by not claiming over the course of several years). The worse than average drivers (50% of the population) will see no benefit from informing their insurer of the fact.0 -
Prince Philip is "slightly improving", the Duchess of Cornwall has said, following his 15th night in hospital.1
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Fair enough. And you probably know more than me, so that’s helpful, taLuckyguy1983 said:
Personally I don't think that for a second. I agree that simply wanting to block someone returning to frontline politics is not grounds for a plot to destroy and imprison them, but I think that's because there are more layers to this that both Salmond and Sturgeon are aware of, but the public is not. They are fighting to the death, but there's implicit agreement at the same time to do it within certain limits - many of them legal.Leon said:My conclusion from this committee is that Sturgeon may be telling the truth, in part. She wasn’t involved in a conspiracy - she genuinely pursued it for the complainers and MeToo. However there WAS a lower level ‘conspiracy’ - call it ‘over-eagerness to please the Leader’ - which she discovered to her horror. Everything since has been cover-up
What I do know is that this day started well for Sturgeon but this last session has been dreadful for her. It is also absolutely gripping.0 -
Yep - our local MP can't explain any benefit that comes from it beyond jobs.MaxPB said:
Yes.Stuartinromford said:
So why the excitement about them? Is it mainly a shiny badge to give to local MPs and mayors?rcs1000 said:
Personally... I think the age of Freeports is rather behind us. They are great for emerging economies with high tariff barriers looking to learn a little bit about the world. But given the UK has relatively low tariffs, and that stuff finished in free port manufacturing zones is often exempted from FTAs, I think they are likely to remain unused except for very low value add "putting stuff in boxes".Richard_Tyndall said:
So he said. I have no idea of the truth of that because I suppose it depends entirely on what he means as a Freeport compared to what the EU means.Daveyboy1961 said:
Is this the Freeport which supposedly the EU was preventing us from having?Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't even get one of those. The only inland Freeport is East Midlands Airport which is well outside the West Midlands.ping said:I think Andy Street is disappointed.
Expected more for the WM than just a Freeport.
When you ask how they plan to avoid the typical issue of local relocations into the area the answer you usually get is um, errr....
However it's interesting that Teesside International is included as a few of the leasing firms have been setting up plane servicing / refurbishment hubs there - so it's not all bad as this will remove a lot of paperwork there.0 -
I don't have any of those cars but, yes, I do, and I have similar concerns about the use of my data by private companies too. I'd like to see that regulated by primary legislation.rcs1000 said:
You do know that when you buy a new car, and you turn it on, and there's that big screen about Terms & Conditions for using the in car systems (without which your car will basically not work), that you are agreeing they have the right to sell your location data to whoever they want, right?Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
Anyone buying a new Ford, Tesla, GM, etc., today has already agreed to let Google and Amazon look at your location history so as to work out what things to sell you.
I don't see why I should "accept" the government - who have the power to arrest, detain or fine me - having access to all of my data in real-time just because it's increasingly a feature in the private commercial space.
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Do Freeports make any difference on origin shares for products going EU bound, or to the double tariff issue? I jus don't know on that one.Stuartinromford said:
So why the excitement about them? Is it mainly a shiny badge to give to local MPs and mayors?rcs1000 said:
Personally... I think the age of Freeports is rather behind us. They are great for emerging economies with high tariff barriers looking to learn a little bit about the world. But given the UK has relatively low tariffs, and that stuff finished in free port manufacturing zones is often exempted from FTAs, I think they are likely to remain unused except for very low value add "putting stuff in boxes".Richard_Tyndall said:
So he said. I have no idea of the truth of that because I suppose it depends entirely on what he means as a Freeport compared to what the EU means.Daveyboy1961 said:
Is this the Freeport which supposedly the EU was preventing us from having?Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't even get one of those. The only inland Freeport is East Midlands Airport which is well outside the West Midlands.ping said:I think Andy Street is disappointed.
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By my calculations you would need to raise electricity prices by less than 1p per kWh to much more than 100% replace fuel duty.Malmesbury said:
Raising electricity prices further would be an interesting idea, politically.Gallowgate said:Taxing electricity use per kWh is better than per mile because it encourages people to buy as efficient vehicles as possible.
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Absolutely. I get up to six months on full pay if I am sick.noneoftheabove said:
Sick pay needs reform regardless of covid. At least the first week per year should be at full rate of pay paid in full by the employer. Good employers already do this and more.dixiedean said:50p increase in sick pay.
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I’ve never seen any leading British politician brutally interrogated like this. For hour after hour, as she visibly tireskle4 said:
Its not like she has been tested much in recent years. Makes a change.Floater said:Looking at her - this is not a politician who feels on comfortable ground and on top of the questioning
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Sell of Millions and billions combined returned £37.4
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There is a structural belief in Government, now, that road use needs to be priced down.Philip_Thompson said:
By my calculations you would need to raise electricity prices by less than 1p per kWh to much more than 100% replace fuel duty.Malmesbury said:
Raising electricity prices further would be an interesting idea, politically.Gallowgate said:Taxing electricity use per kWh is better than per mile because it encourages people to buy as efficient vehicles as possible.
The upset when you make calculations about the CO2 efficiency of some public transport vs ZEVs, is quite entertains. Also revealing.1 -
Electricity tax is an interesting concept. Presumably, in terms of domestic consumption, it wouldn't be very difficult to identify and exempt all the old crusties (based on the precedents of protecting vulnerable users and the existing practice of doling out winter fuel payments) whilst it could be used to really soak working families for extra revenue, in a way that they could do almost nothing to avoid. I can see how a future Government might buy into that one.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:Won't the simplest solution for replacing fuel tax ultimately be to just tax electricity? Its not as if people are going to avoid using electricity so a tax per kWh seems the simplest solution?
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Salmond survived it.Leon said:
I’ve never seen any leading British politician brutally interrogated like this. For hour after hour, as she visibly tireskle4 said:
Its not like she has been tested much in recent years. Makes a change.Floater said:Looking at her - this is not a politician who feels on comfortable ground and on top of the questioning
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Just Insure says "hello!"Endillion said:
This isn't in line with my experience. My view is that telematics has been a miserable failure, and other than cases where they physically can't buy a policy without one, drivers tend to opt out.Richard_Tyndall said:
I understand and share your views on this. But like Canute I have to point out the futility of trying to hold back the tide. Most new drivers are now opting for the black boxes in their cars which monitor everything they do and where they go to get themselves cheaper insurance. It is the only way most of them can afford to even get insurance.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
So the public view is changing. Combined with the ubiquity of mobile phones and other trackable devices I am afraid that people like us who still try to hold on to the illusion of living offline, away from governmental scrutiny, are becoming dinosaurs.
It's worth remembering that telematics doesn't reduce insurance costs in aggregate - in fact it increases them, because the cost of the box and monitoring driving ability is non-zero. All it does is help the better drivers to prove they're deserving of lower premiums faster than they would normally (ie by not claiming over the course of several years). The worse than average drivers (50% of the population) will see no benefit from informing their insurer of the fact.
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Yes, but those who do so will be at the margins. When they're looking at a total collapse of revenue, I doubt the Treasury will worry too much about that.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.0 -
On the other hand, remember VAT on domestic fuel bills? I'd call it a third rail issue, except that people will say that we won't be able to afford the electricity...Black_Rook said:
Electricity tax is an interesting concept. Presumably, in terms of domestic consumption, it wouldn't be very difficult to identify and exempt all the old crusties (based on the precedents of protecting vulnerable users and the existing practice of doling out winter fuel payments) whilst it could be used to really soak working families for extra revenue, in a way that they could do almost nothing to avoid. I can see how a future Government might buy into that one.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:Won't the simplest solution for replacing fuel tax ultimately be to just tax electricity? Its not as if people are going to avoid using electricity so a tax per kWh seems the simplest solution?
Also, if you're going to tax driving in general, it's better to tax it in the places it does the most damage, not the places it does the least.0 -
He’s not in office like her. This is the first minister of Scotland being kneecappedMarqueeMark said:
Salmond survived it.Leon said:
I’ve never seen any leading British politician brutally interrogated like this. For hour after hour, as she visibly tireskle4 said:
Its not like she has been tested much in recent years. Makes a change.Floater said:Looking at her - this is not a politician who feels on comfortable ground and on top of the questioning
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Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
And she clearly knows it.1 -
General Tax on electricity, or a more general carbon tax, is an interesting one. It would incentivise micro-renewables without need for an FIT subsidy.rcs1000 said:
Yes.Philip_Thompson said:Won't the simplest solution for replacing fuel tax ultimately be to just tax electricity? Its not as if people are going to avoid using electricity so a tax per kWh seems the simplest solution?
Also, if you're going to tax driving in general, it's better to tax it in the places it does the most damage, not the places it does the least.
My solar array generates enough lecky for 15,000 Tesla miles per year. And a Tesla is like a Panzer.
Far better than the hole the Spanish dug themselves into where they ended up taxing solar panels.0 -
Popcorn shares to go up...Big_G_NorthWales said:It will be interesting to hear from Salmond or his lawyers after this
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Just embarrassing and she has no way out of this meetingMarqueeMark said:
Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
And she clearly knows it.1 -
Not waving.
Drowning.1 -
Percipient comments in the Guardian blog:
These measures also bury what was arguably George Osborne’s major legacy as chancellor; he dragged corporation tax down during his six years in office, but Rishi Sunak’s plans would largely reverse the Osborne cuts, with the rise generating an extra £16bn for the Treasury by the end of this parliament. This is much closer to Jeremy Corbyn’s policy for corporation tax at the 2019 election than Boris Johnson’s. Sunak’s plans would also raise an extra £6bn a year from income tax by the end of this parliament, through fiscal drag, with more people dragged into the higher rate. Disraeli once said the secret to a “sound Conservative government” was “Tory men and Whig measures”. Perhaps this is what they look like.
And yet, as Sir Keir Starmer argued in his response, a Labour budget would be different. There was nothing on social care, little on welfare (the row about cutting the £20-per-week uplift has just been postponed) and little that sounded truly transformational in terms of work and learning.
Sunak ended with an announcement intended about free ports to persuade the public there will be a Brexit dividend. This was the first budget since the UK properly left the ambit of the EU. During the 2016 referendum campaign Boris Johnson and Vote Leave said that, if the UK left the EU, VAT on fuel would go. Fuel duty has been frozen in this budget, but - like other Brexit promises - the pledge to scrap VAT on fuel seems to have vanished.3 -
You have an interest mate ;-)rcs1000 said:
Just Insure says "hello!"Endillion said:
This isn't in line with my experience. My view is that telematics has been a miserable failure, and other than cases where they physically can't buy a policy without one, drivers tend to opt out.Richard_Tyndall said:
I understand and share your views on this. But like Canute I have to point out the futility of trying to hold back the tide. Most new drivers are now opting for the black boxes in their cars which monitor everything they do and where they go to get themselves cheaper insurance. It is the only way most of them can afford to even get insurance.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
So the public view is changing. Combined with the ubiquity of mobile phones and other trackable devices I am afraid that people like us who still try to hold on to the illusion of living offline, away from governmental scrutiny, are becoming dinosaurs.
It's worth remembering that telematics doesn't reduce insurance costs in aggregate - in fact it increases them, because the cost of the box and monitoring driving ability is non-zero. All it does is help the better drivers to prove they're deserving of lower premiums faster than they would normally (ie by not claiming over the course of several years). The worse than average drivers (50% of the population) will see no benefit from informing their insurer of the fact.1 -
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We'll get back to that.....Leon said:Narrow escape there
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I don't think that's born out by the polling, as @Malmesbury says.Nigelb said:
Yes, but those who do so will be at the margins. When they're looking at a total collapse of revenue, I doubt the Treasury will worry too much about that.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
Besides which several alternatives have already been outlined on this thread.0 -
‘My recollection is not as good as I’d like it to be, not least for me’
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in ultra HD in slow motionLeon said:
He’s not in office like her. This is the first minister of Scotland being kneecappedMarqueeMark said:
Salmond survived it.Leon said:
I’ve never seen any leading British politician brutally interrogated like this. For hour after hour, as she visibly tireskle4 said:
Its not like she has been tested much in recent years. Makes a change.Floater said:Looking at her - this is not a politician who feels on comfortable ground and on top of the questioning
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Another uppercutFloater said:
in ultra HD in slow motionLeon said:
He’s not in office like her. This is the first minister of Scotland being kneecappedMarqueeMark said:
Salmond survived it.Leon said:
I’ve never seen any leading British politician brutally interrogated like this. For hour after hour, as she visibly tireskle4 said:
Its not like she has been tested much in recent years. Makes a change.Floater said:Looking at her - this is not a politician who feels on comfortable ground and on top of the questioning
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True, of course, but the havoc caused by Covid has provided a blanket excuse for practically everything.NickPalmer said:Sunak ended with an announcement intended about free ports to persuade the public there will be a Brexit dividend. This was the first budget since the UK properly left the ambit of the EU. During the 2016 referendum campaign Boris Johnson and Vote Leave said that, if the UK left the EU, VAT on fuel would go. Fuel duty has been frozen in this budget, but - like other Brexit promises - the pledge to scrap VAT on fuel seems to have vanished.
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In theory smart meters could be used to work out what people use their electricity for. Most devices have a recognisable signature.Casino_Royale said:
You get billed for KWH in your home. The Government doesn't snoop to see what you're using it on, or when, except at a very macro level - and it's wholly commercial.Malmesbury said:
The problem is that all polling on the matter has shown that road pricing is a Fuel Strike moment. No one trusts the government on this.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
This is one of the reasons that hydrogen was the promoted clean fuel solution - when the time was right, you would shift the fuel taxes to hydrogen.
Problem is that electricity is everywhere.
The resistance to rebalancing the anti-road structural plans in the light of ZEVs being universal is strong. But it is needed - and it is quite interesting to see some public transport plans in that light....
The thing is Governments have different policy agendas, supreme power, aren't in competition with anyone, so you can't choose, are able to join lots of dots and are this perfectly corruptable: they could also use this to do you for speeding, as much as pricing per mile, and you could be blackmailed. Or petty personal vendettas could be pursued with it.
I will be making my thoughts known on it to my MP.
They could even work out which TV channel you are watching.
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Reducing VAT on home energy was the effing poster child for Brexiters. Now of course they "could" have zero rated (sovereignty - huzzah!) it but no sane person thought they ever would.NickPalmer said:Percipient comments in the Guardian blog:
These measures also bury what was arguably George Osborne’s major legacy as chancellor; he dragged corporation tax down during his six years in office, but Rishi Sunak’s plans would largely reverse the Osborne cuts, with the rise generating an extra £16bn for the Treasury by the end of this parliament. This is much closer to Jeremy Corbyn’s policy for corporation tax at the 2019 election than Boris Johnson’s. Sunak’s plans would also raise an extra £6bn a year from income tax by the end of this parliament, through fiscal drag, with more people dragged into the higher rate. Disraeli once said the secret to a “sound Conservative government” was “Tory men and Whig measures”. Perhaps this is what they look like.
And yet, as Sir Keir Starmer argued in his response, a Labour budget would be different. There was nothing on social care, little on welfare (the row about cutting the £20-per-week uplift has just been postponed) and little that sounded truly transformational in terms of work and learning.
Sunak ended with an announcement intended about free ports to persuade the public there will be a Brexit dividend. This was the first budget since the UK properly left the ambit of the EU. During the 2016 referendum campaign Boris Johnson and Vote Leave said that, if the UK left the EU, VAT on fuel would go. Fuel duty has been frozen in this budget, but - like other Brexit promises - the pledge to scrap VAT on fuel seems to have vanished.
As @RochdalePioneers keeps pointing out - we voted to allow men to become pregnant. That they can't become pregnant is neither here nor there.0 -
Blimey sounds like I'd better get over to BBC Parliament.
How, out of interest, are people listening otherwise - is it live on LBC?0 -
On SkyTOPPING said:Blimey sounds like I'd better get over to BBC Parliament.
How, out of interest, are people listening otherwise - is it live on LBC?0 -
Nicola can't remember clearly enough.
It's a shame there are no written notes.
Oh...2 -
I can't find a stream. Link?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
And she clearly knows it.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn wouldn't have balanced the budget; he would have dealt with the security services and our armed forces with such suspicion and contempt that Russia, China and Iran, and other extremists, would have had a field day. So we'd have got an inflationary boom, with an almighty crash, coupled with nasty security incidents, and lots of general incompetence and nasty culture war aggro along the way.NickPalmer said:Percipient comments in the Guardian blog:
These measures also bury what was arguably George Osborne’s major legacy as chancellor; he dragged corporation tax down during his six years in office, but Rishi Sunak’s plans would largely reverse the Osborne cuts, with the rise generating an extra £16bn for the Treasury by the end of this parliament. This is much closer to Jeremy Corbyn’s policy for corporation tax at the 2019 election than Boris Johnson’s. Sunak’s plans would also raise an extra £6bn a year from income tax by the end of this parliament, through fiscal drag, with more people dragged into the higher rate. Disraeli once said the secret to a “sound Conservative government” was “Tory men and Whig measures”. Perhaps this is what they look like.
And yet, as Sir Keir Starmer argued in his response, a Labour budget would be different. There was nothing on social care, little on welfare (the row about cutting the £20-per-week uplift has just been postponed) and little that sounded truly transformational in terms of work and learning.
Sunak ended with an announcement intended about free ports to persuade the public there will be a Brexit dividend. This was the first budget since the UK properly left the ambit of the EU. During the 2016 referendum campaign Boris Johnson and Vote Leave said that, if the UK left the EU, VAT on fuel would go. Fuel duty has been frozen in this budget, but - like other Brexit promises - the pledge to scrap VAT on fuel seems to have vanished.
Where I agree with you is that the Budget was unambitious on post-Brexit reforms, except the NIB, some cosmetic and some straws in the wind on financial services.
I want to see a top-to-toe regulatory review of everything. Is it coming? Will it ever come?1 -
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That has the beginnings of a credible take.Leon said:My conclusion from this committee is that Sturgeon may be telling the truth, in part. She wasn’t involved in a conspiracy - she genuinely pursued it for the complainers and MeToo. However there WAS a lower level ‘conspiracy’ - call it ‘over-eagerness to please the Leader’ - which she discovered to her horror. Everything since has been cover-up
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Try SkyMattW said:
I can't find a stream. Link?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
And she clearly knows it.0 -
There is no way tax per mile will work because it will show people how much tax people are actually paying, which is precisely what fuel duty is designed to avoid. People buy fuel and when they pay the bill they think they're paying for fuel, even if they're aware of the fact they don't really think too much about the fact that most of what they're paying is pure tax and not fuel.
Take the tax alone and present that as a bill, not buried alongside fuel or anything else, and people will not accept that. It will be even more unpopular than fuel duty.
A tax per kWh works for the same way fuel duty works which is why it seems to me the only viable replacement: it buries the tax so that when people pay their tax they think they're paying their electricity bill, not tax.0 -
really scraping barrel with Edinburgh airport:
Edinburgh airport thing smear again.
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https://www.scottishparliament.tv/channel/committee-room-1TOPPING said:Blimey sounds like I'd better get over to BBC Parliament.
How, out of interest, are people listening otherwise - is it live on LBC?0 -
Goodness, be glad you didn't say that on Twitter.TOPPING said:
Reducing VAT on home energy was the effing poster child for Brexiters. Now of course they "could" have zero rated (sovereignty - huzzah!) it but no sane person thought they ever would.NickPalmer said:Percipient comments in the Guardian blog:
These measures also bury what was arguably George Osborne’s major legacy as chancellor; he dragged corporation tax down during his six years in office, but Rishi Sunak’s plans would largely reverse the Osborne cuts, with the rise generating an extra £16bn for the Treasury by the end of this parliament. This is much closer to Jeremy Corbyn’s policy for corporation tax at the 2019 election than Boris Johnson’s. Sunak’s plans would also raise an extra £6bn a year from income tax by the end of this parliament, through fiscal drag, with more people dragged into the higher rate. Disraeli once said the secret to a “sound Conservative government” was “Tory men and Whig measures”. Perhaps this is what they look like.
And yet, as Sir Keir Starmer argued in his response, a Labour budget would be different. There was nothing on social care, little on welfare (the row about cutting the £20-per-week uplift has just been postponed) and little that sounded truly transformational in terms of work and learning.
Sunak ended with an announcement intended about free ports to persuade the public there will be a Brexit dividend. This was the first budget since the UK properly left the ambit of the EU. During the 2016 referendum campaign Boris Johnson and Vote Leave said that, if the UK left the EU, VAT on fuel would go. Fuel duty has been frozen in this budget, but - like other Brexit promises - the pledge to scrap VAT on fuel seems to have vanished.
As @RochdalePioneers keeps pointing out - we voted to allow men to become pregnant. That they can't become pregnant is neither here nor there.
You'd be brandished with the transphobic stick - by hordes.4 -
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https://www.scottishparliament.tv/channel/committee-room-1MattW said:
I can't find a stream. Link?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
And she clearly knows it.1 -
I do need to remember to add "in the UK" to a lot of my posts.rcs1000 said:
Just Insure says "hello!"Endillion said:
This isn't in line with my experience. My view is that telematics has been a miserable failure, and other than cases where they physically can't buy a policy without one, drivers tend to opt out.Richard_Tyndall said:
I understand and share your views on this. But like Canute I have to point out the futility of trying to hold back the tide. Most new drivers are now opting for the black boxes in their cars which monitor everything they do and where they go to get themselves cheaper insurance. It is the only way most of them can afford to even get insurance.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
So the public view is changing. Combined with the ubiquity of mobile phones and other trackable devices I am afraid that people like us who still try to hold on to the illusion of living offline, away from governmental scrutiny, are becoming dinosaurs.
It's worth remembering that telematics doesn't reduce insurance costs in aggregate - in fact it increases them, because the cost of the box and monitoring driving ability is non-zero. All it does is help the better drivers to prove they're deserving of lower premiums faster than they would normally (ie by not claiming over the course of several years). The worse than average drivers (50% of the population) will see no benefit from informing their insurer of the fact.
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https://www.scottishparliament.tv/channel/committee-room-1MattW said:
I can't find a stream. Link?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
And she clearly knows it.0 -
Well my experience with my daughter is exactly as I set out. She had the black box fitted when she passed the test and her initial year's insurance was £1300. It more than halved when she renewed for the second year based on her performance during that first year. The incentives were so large she was more than willing to pay attention to how she drove.Endillion said:
This isn't in line with my experience. My view is that telematics has been a miserable failure, and other than cases where they physically can't buy a policy without one, drivers tend to opt out.Richard_Tyndall said:
I understand and share your views on this. But like Canute I have to point out the futility of trying to hold back the tide. Most new drivers are now opting for the black boxes in their cars which monitor everything they do and where they go to get themselves cheaper insurance. It is the only way most of them can afford to even get insurance.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
So the public view is changing. Combined with the ubiquity of mobile phones and other trackable devices I am afraid that people like us who still try to hold on to the illusion of living offline, away from governmental scrutiny, are becoming dinosaurs.
It's worth remembering that telematics doesn't reduce insurance costs in aggregate - in fact it increases them, because the cost of the box and monitoring driving ability is non-zero. All it does is help the better drivers to prove they're deserving of lower premiums faster than they would normally (ie by not claiming over the course of several years). The worse than average drivers (50% of the population) will see no benefit from informing their insurer of the fact.0 -
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I'm watching on Telegraph via You tubeBig_G_NorthWales said:
Try SkyMattW said:
I can't find a stream. Link?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
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Rees Mogg's eyes have a glint when he mentions them and this for me obviates the need to do any further research on the topic.rcs1000 said:
Personally... I think the age of Freeports is rather behind us. They are great for emerging economies with high tariff barriers looking to learn a little bit about the world. But given the UK has relatively low tariffs, and that stuff finished in free port manufacturing zones is often exempted from FTAs, I think they are likely to remain unused except for very low value add "putting stuff in boxes".Richard_Tyndall said:
So he said. I have no idea of the truth of that because I suppose it depends entirely on what he means as a Freeport compared to what the EU means.Daveyboy1961 said:
Is this the Freeport which supposedly the EU was preventing us from having?Richard_Tyndall said:
He doesn't even get one of those. The only inland Freeport is East Midlands Airport which is well outside the West Midlands.ping said:I think Andy Street is disappointed.
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Thanks Big G. Licence fee money well spent by those watching.Big_G_NorthWales said:
On SkyTOPPING said:Blimey sounds like I'd better get over to BBC Parliament.
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Jackie Baillie and Murdo Fraser taking Sturgeon apart and it is difficult to watch as she sinks in disarray2
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Not that difficult to watch - she is getting her true dessertsBig_G_NorthWales said:Jackie Baillie and Murdo Fraser taking Sturgeon apart and it is difficult to watch as she sinks in disarray
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Is there anyone on here, perhaps with a literary bent, who might be able to give me a summary?Leon said:
I googled sturgeon and inquiry. Lots of livestreamsTOPPING said:Blimey sounds like I'd better get over to BBC Parliament.
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https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1367144586867597317?s=21
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Just tuned in, seems to be back to all about how bad that mean Mr Salmond is now.0
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Fabiani suspending the session to save Sturgeon once again?0
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I have seen children with jam and sugar all over their face give a more convincing argument as to why they haven't eaten the missing donuts....Leon said:I don’t see how she survives this. But this is Scotland
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It ended with her close to tears. Or actually cryingTOPPING said:
Is there anyone on here, perhaps with a literary bent, who might be able to give me a summary?Leon said:
I googled sturgeon and inquiry. Lots of livestreamsTOPPING said:Blimey sounds like I'd better get over to BBC Parliament.
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Pithy, descriptive, dramatic. Thanks v much.Leon said:
It ended with her close to tears. Or actually cryingTOPPING said:
Is there anyone on here, perhaps with a literary bent, who might be able to give me a summary?Leon said:
I googled sturgeon and inquiry. Lots of livestreamsTOPPING said:Blimey sounds like I'd better get over to BBC Parliament.
How, out of interest, are people listening otherwise - is it live on LBC?
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Post of the dayMarqueeMark said:
I have seen children with jam and sugar all over their face give a more convincing argument as to why they haven't eaten the missing donuts....Leon said:I don’t see how she survives this. But this is Scotland
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https://www.scottishparliament.tv/channel/committee-room-1MattW said:
I can't find a stream. Link?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody is buying it.Leon said:She’s completely trapped in the lie about the meeting
And she clearly knows it.
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Your membership of the Fraternity of PB Scotch Experts is hereby withdrawn.Leon said:Is this a Nat beating up Sturgeon?
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I'm not sure this is the sort of thing that will change minds vis a vis Scottish independence. The fundamental problem for unionists in Scotland though is that the Nats have been united whereas they haven't. That could change now. Leaving aside the differences over Salmond/Surgeon there has to be conflict over when, say, to call another referendum. As soon as possible strikes me as complete madness in the current economic climate and surely there are quite a few Indy sympathisers who would agree?0
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LOL sound advice. About anything for that matter.Casino_Royale said:
Goodness, be glad you didn't say that on Twitter.TOPPING said:
Reducing VAT on home energy was the effing poster child for Brexiters. Now of course they "could" have zero rated (sovereignty - huzzah!) it but no sane person thought they ever would.NickPalmer said:Percipient comments in the Guardian blog:
These measures also bury what was arguably George Osborne’s major legacy as chancellor; he dragged corporation tax down during his six years in office, but Rishi Sunak’s plans would largely reverse the Osborne cuts, with the rise generating an extra £16bn for the Treasury by the end of this parliament. This is much closer to Jeremy Corbyn’s policy for corporation tax at the 2019 election than Boris Johnson’s. Sunak’s plans would also raise an extra £6bn a year from income tax by the end of this parliament, through fiscal drag, with more people dragged into the higher rate. Disraeli once said the secret to a “sound Conservative government” was “Tory men and Whig measures”. Perhaps this is what they look like.
And yet, as Sir Keir Starmer argued in his response, a Labour budget would be different. There was nothing on social care, little on welfare (the row about cutting the £20-per-week uplift has just been postponed) and little that sounded truly transformational in terms of work and learning.
Sunak ended with an announcement intended about free ports to persuade the public there will be a Brexit dividend. This was the first budget since the UK properly left the ambit of the EU. During the 2016 referendum campaign Boris Johnson and Vote Leave said that, if the UK left the EU, VAT on fuel would go. Fuel duty has been frozen in this budget, but - like other Brexit promises - the pledge to scrap VAT on fuel seems to have vanished.
As @RochdalePioneers keeps pointing out - we voted to allow men to become pregnant. That they can't become pregnant is neither here nor there.
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That's great to hear!Richard_Tyndall said:
Well my experience with my daughter is exactly as I set out. She had the black box fitted when she passed the test and her initial year's insurance was £1300. It more than halved when she renewed for the second year based on her performance during that first year. The incentives were so large she was more than willing to pay attention to how she drove.Endillion said:
This isn't in line with my experience. My view is that telematics has been a miserable failure, and other than cases where they physically can't buy a policy without one, drivers tend to opt out.Richard_Tyndall said:
I understand and share your views on this. But like Canute I have to point out the futility of trying to hold back the tide. Most new drivers are now opting for the black boxes in their cars which monitor everything they do and where they go to get themselves cheaper insurance. It is the only way most of them can afford to even get insurance.Casino_Royale said:
The alternative is an annual reading of the clock for a road tax bill, or a form of a self-assessment of mileage reconciled by the clock at the end. Just as we do for income tax.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep that is an issue but there really is no alternative that I can think of.Casino_Royale said:
If my clock is read once a year at MOT time, to reconcile my road tax bill for the next year, fine.Richard_Tyndall said:
I think this is another area where he has to bite the bullet sooner rather than later. There is no longer a need to encourage drivers to take up electric cars - they are going to be forced to do so within 9 years anyway. So he should now look to move to payment per mile for driving with all cars being classed the same. Replace fuel duty and road tax with a completely new system based on how much you drive. If you are worried about the impact on rural areas then you can tinker with rates but basically it will be one system for all with perhaps some regional variation.Casino_Royale said:Budget: the CPI inflation assumption (that it stays at or below 2.0% until 2026) looks rocky to me. A 1% increase in RPI increases debt costs by £7bn, and 1% in gilts by £9 billion. Rather sensitive. This could budget could be out by £50-60bn by FY2025/26.
The corp tax and income tax freezes yield £25bn a year by 2025, so that's big money. IHT also frozen for an extra 0.4bn yield. If it gets desperate he could up VAT to 22%, I guess to give an extra £10-12bn per year.
Also, has he factored in a progressive degradation of fuel duty? I think he's just TBC'ed it in this. I'd have thought it'd be 10-15% below current levels by 2025, 25-35% by 2030 and 60-70% by 2040. That's probably a £3-4bn hole by 2026 alone.
Carbon neutrality will have a serious fiscal cost, although cheaper than the environmental one of course.
But, I do not want to be satellite tracked and monitored for real-time road pricing.
No way do I want any part of the Government knowing where I'm going, when or why, or for how long. Nor do I expect to have to explain myself to anyone: the prospects for abuse are legion.
The fuzz would have dug all over it during this latest lockdown.
That said if you carry a mobile phone then the ability to do that is already there.
Road pricing can be used only for congestion zones or smart motorways.
You can leave the phone at home, turn off the phone off, turn location services and data off on your phone, and, even if you don't do any of that the police/ Government need to pursue a legal route to access the data with a test.
Real time tracking and pricing? No way. I'll just get an old car that doesn't have or it or avoid driving.
So the public view is changing. Combined with the ubiquity of mobile phones and other trackable devices I am afraid that people like us who still try to hold on to the illusion of living offline, away from governmental scrutiny, are becoming dinosaurs.
It's worth remembering that telematics doesn't reduce insurance costs in aggregate - in fact it increases them, because the cost of the box and monitoring driving ability is non-zero. All it does is help the better drivers to prove they're deserving of lower premiums faster than they would normally (ie by not claiming over the course of several years). The worse than average drivers (50% of the population) will see no benefit from informing their insurer of the fact.
The questions are: 1) will she be happy to keep the box long term, or will she get rid as soon as the incentive is no longer meaningful, and 2) is the proportion of young drivers who'll benefit to a similar extent high enough to make the tech widespread?0 -
Well, that was a day well spent. The best real-life political drama I have ever seen
And it started so boring
It was like a script, the cool calm woman slowly crumbling, then finally collapsing into tears1
