You can get evens that Biden’s approval will still be in the 50-54.9 range after 100 days – politica

kle4 said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

O/T

This year is peak population year for Germany according to this page.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/population-growth-rate

Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?

And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/26/covid-and-climate-of-fear-puts-italian-birth-rate-at-lowest-since-unification

Add in 150,000 dead of the bug, and a knackered economy making people migrate.....

It is quite possible the UK's population will sharply decline from here, at least for a while.

Some still seem to be expecting a baby boom which will start impacting schools in a few years though.

kle4 said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

O/T

This year is peak population year for Germany according to this page.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/population-growth-rate

Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?

And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/26/covid-and-climate-of-fear-puts-italian-birth-rate-at-lowest-since-unification

Add in 150,000 dead of the bug, and a knackered economy making people migrate.....

It is quite possible the UK's population will sharply decline from here, at least for a while.

Some still seem to be expecting a baby boom which will start impacting schools in a few years though.

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

dixiedean said:

kle4 said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

O/T

This year is peak population year for Germany according to this page.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/population-growth-rate

Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?

And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/26/covid-and-climate-of-fear-puts-italian-birth-rate-at-lowest-since-unification

Add in 150,000 dead of the bug, and a knackered economy making people migrate.....

It is quite possible the UK's population will sharply decline from here, at least for a while.

Some still seem to be expecting a baby boom which will start impacting schools in a few years though.

kle4 said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

O/T

This year is peak population year for Germany according to this page.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/population-growth-rate

Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?

And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/26/covid-and-climate-of-fear-puts-italian-birth-rate-at-lowest-since-unification

Add in 150,000 dead of the bug, and a knackered economy making people migrate.....

It is quite possible the UK's population will sharply decline from here, at least for a while.

Some still seem to be expecting a baby boom which will start impacting schools in a few years though.

We may get one after this is over.
At no time in the past 12 months have I thought this would all be so much easier with a new born baby...

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

O/T

This year is peak population year for Germany according to this page.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/population-growth-rate

Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?

And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.

Isn't that because couples/husbands & wives now hate each other after living together 24x7 for the past year?

DavidL said:

Yet more nonsense. Sturgeon denies that the name of one of the complainers was given to Geoff Aberdein in the run up to the meeting on 2nd April. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56198840

This is the same Geoff Aberdein who @sarissa told us was not going to be a witness and whose statement has been objected to by Crown Office (again) and will not officially be before the Committee.

So this is another allegation of lying which the Committee and Mr Hamilton (the independent investigator in respect of the Ministerial code) will simply not be able to reach a view on because the relevant evidence is not before them.

But its ok because Nicola is willing to answer questions on it and that is the most we can apparently hope for. Jeez.

kinabalu said:

BluestBlue said:

MaxPB said:

kinabalu said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not quite reproducing the blubbery, scalded pork thing imo

https://twitter.com/skytv/status/1364902717395775488?s=20

I do hope this will be warts and all.

If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.

Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

Jesus, Max, I'd hate to see you fillet a fish - that was quite the brutal deboning.

That's what Fortis Green does to a person. They get lively.

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

DougSeal said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

You've been working for the wrong companies.

Pagan2 said:

DougSeal said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

You've been working for the wrong companies.

Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?

malcolmg said:

DavidL said:

Yet more nonsense. Sturgeon denies that the name of one of the complainers was given to Geoff Aberdein in the run up to the meeting on 2nd April. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56198840

This is the same Geoff Aberdein who @sarissa told us was not going to be a witness and whose statement has been objected to by Crown Office (again) and will not officially be before the Committee.

So this is another allegation of lying which the Committee and Mr Hamilton (the independent investigator in respect of the Ministerial code) will simply not be able to reach a view on because the relevant evidence is not before them.

But its ok because Nicola is willing to answer questions on it and that is the most we can apparently hope for. Jeez.

Unless someone wants to claim this reward....
£25,000 Reward Offered for Copy of Geoff Aberdein Testimony
This website is offering a reward of £25,000 cash to help a public spirited whistleblower to come forward and reveal a copy of Geoff Aberdein’s evidence to the Sturgeon Inquiry, which the Committee of Crooks has refused to publish, accept or consider, because it categorically proves that Sturgeon lied to Parliament.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2021/02/25000-reward-offered-for-copy-of-geoff-aberdein-testimony/

Philip_Thompson said:

Pagan2 said:

DougSeal said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

You've been working for the wrong companies.

Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?

I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.

If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.

If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.

MaxPB said:

kinabalu said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not quite reproducing the blubbery, scalded pork thing imo

https://twitter.com/skytv/status/1364902717395775488?s=20

I do hope this will be warts and all.

If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.

Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

ydoethur said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Pagan2 said:

DougSeal said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

You've been working for the wrong companies.

Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?

I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.

If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.

If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.

You could have a soft drink, of course. Lime and soda is nice and cheap (albeit they still rip you off something chronic) and doesn’t impair your ability to drive.

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

MarqueeMark said:

ydoethur said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Pagan2 said:

DougSeal said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

You've been working for the wrong companies.

Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?

I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.

If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.

If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.

You could have a soft drink, of course. Lime and soda is nice and cheap (albeit they still rip you off something chronic) and doesn’t impair your ability to drive.

Try an evening or ten on it, as a designated driver....

MarqueeMark said:

Leon said:

TOPPING said:

Leon said:

Andy_JS said:

O/T

This year is peak population year for Germany according to this page.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/population-growth-rate

Could be the same for the UK. We've lost 500,000 overseas residents, at least, thanks to Covid. Are they coming back?

And the birth rate might be crushed by the virus - as it has been in Italy.

Isn't that because couples/husbands & wives now hate each other after living together 24x7 for the past year?

That is, indeed, one of the theories. A few couples I know suggest it might be right

I am in the fortunate position where my wife has gone to look after a house that some friends have been unable to visit since before Christmas. Alone, she is writing there and bringing it back to life for when they can return.

We have been together 28 years and had lengthy periods during that when we have spent weeks, even months at a time apart with work. This past year we have not spent a night apart. We have survived it surprisingly well, but man alive am I enjoying a few days when I can do exactly as I like, when I like. This is what "normal" was - and I really like it!

Sandpit said:

Gallowgate said:

Are Brexiteers prepared to watch Macron or Merkel celebrate a German or French Euro 2021 victory at Wembley?

No problem, providing they don’t think themselves to be above ten days’ quarantine beforehand.

Malmesbury said:

Sandpit said:

Gallowgate said:

Are Brexiteers prepared to watch Macron or Merkel celebrate a German or French Euro 2021 victory at Wembley?

No problem, providing they don’t think themselves to be above ten days’ quarantine beforehand.

They have to take AZN first, of course.

kle4 said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.

ydoethur said:

Philip_Thompson said:

Pagan2 said:

DougSeal said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

You've been working for the wrong companies.

Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?

I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.

If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.

If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.

You could have a soft drink, of course. Lime and soda is nice and cheap (albeit they still rip you off something chronic) and doesn’t impair your ability to drive.

TimT said:

kle4 said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.

Clearly the road system in the UK is too good if people are doing that. Dig up some of the lanes and plant them with meadow flowers.

Philip_Thompson said:

Pagan2 said:

DougSeal said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

You've been working for the wrong companies.

Or maybe I am just one of those people who has a perfectly adequate social life and don't need to socialise with random work colleagues?

I think the distinction between city dwellers and more suburban people is the biggest difference.

If you're driving home then after work drinks are not a good option. The overwhelming majority of the country drives home, but those who don't seem to view their choices as the mainstream.

If you drink and drive you're a bloody idiot.

Floater said:

kle4 said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.

I knew I guy who commuted from Scotland to London and another who commuted in his own plane to Chatham

TimT said:

Sandpit said:

Malmesbury said:

contrarian said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CarlottaVance said:

Philip_Thompson said:

CarlottaVance said:

More lies?

https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1364867750380920833?s=20
(Snip)

Prof Devi Sridhar seems absolutely obsessed with elimination idea.

But I don't understand either how it could work with an open economy with lots of movement, or why it would even be desired in a post vaccination world given the isolation, costs and risks associated with such a policy.

New Zealand going isolationist and closing to the world until they get vaccinated makes sense.

Scotland going isolationist and closing to the world after they get vaccinated makes no sense whatsoever.

This is the final, hilariously self-unaware tweet of her rant response:

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1364888934975684609?s=20

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1364875159891554311?s=19

This goes to what I said, buying time with no tolerance can make sense to get to the point of vaccines being available. But she's still advocating post vaccination zero tolerance. That's madness.

PS it's possible the UK and Israel being first nations vaccinated will begin economic recovery quicker than other nations staying shut down.

Its almost like Sridhar, and Michie, and a few others, have another agenda.

In one company I worked at, IT security had a mandate to *anything* to prevent data breaches. Awesome, right?

Well, it turned out that one of their policies would mean (effectively) shutting down external access. All external access. In a customer facing web based company. Yes, their policy/mandate meant that the company couldn't do business.....

The mandate was amended....

LOL. That’s a great way to be fired as an IT director. You’re supposed to work *with* the business, not against it.

Same with safety. The object is to make the product/deliver the service safely and securely, not to be as safe and secure as possible, because the safest and securest is generally to do no business.

BluestBlue said:

kinabalu said:

BluestBlue said:

MaxPB said:

kinabalu said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Not quite reproducing the blubbery, scalded pork thing imo

https://twitter.com/skytv/status/1364902717395775488?s=20

I do hope this will be warts and all.

If the public see Johnson, warts and all, they'll be repelled.

Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

Jesus, Max, I'd hate to see you fillet a fish - that was quite the brutal deboning.

That's what Fortis Green does to a person. They get lively.

Fortis by name, fortis by nature.

ydoethur said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

I knew somebody who commuted from Coventry to Gloucester.

Also from Stroud to Cannock.

Both of those paled in comparison to the lecturer at Aber who commuted in from Worcester.

In all those cases, family ties were in one place and the job in another.

YBarddCwsc said:

kle4 said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.

I can name two commuters to Wales from Wiltshire straight off the bat.

There is Rhiannon Passmore, Labour's Senedd Cymru Member for Islwyn -- who lives in Wiltshire

Or Neil Hamilton, UKIP's Senedd Cymru member for Mid and West Wales -- who lives in Wiltshire.

Mango said:

MaxPB said:

Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...

Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.

Back to the cricket now.

Oh, bugger.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Mango said:

MaxPB said:

Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...

Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.

Back to the cricket now.

Oh, bugger.

Mass executions of Tories

At a time so many lives are being lost due to a pandemic you introduce executions

What a nasty specimen you are

Mango said:

MaxPB said:

Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...

Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.

Back to the cricket now.

Oh, bugger.

RobD said:

BluestBlue said:

Mango said:

MaxPB said:

Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...

Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.

Back to the cricket now.

Oh, bugger.

Lol, you're funny.

Yeah. Hoping for the mass executions of Tories? I think that’s crossing a line.

Leon said:

DougSeal said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Dave and George were right.

https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/1364964256907751431

Why is that depressing? Sinn Fein - until quite recently the political wing of a violently murderous revolutionary movement - are in power in Ulster and in parliament in Dublin.

It makes sense to talk to these people rather than ignore them.

The issue with the loyalist groups is that they ended up in Prison and spent their time body building.

Sinn Fein and the IRA spent their time studying and worked out how the future could be played out to their advantage.

Brutally speaking: the loyalists won. They amped up the violence in Ulster to such an extent, in the end more Catholic civilians were dying than Protestants. It is one of the key reasons the IRA sued for peace. They were losing.

Ulster remains in the UK.

2/3rds of Ulster. Three of the nine counties remain unoccupied.

ULSTER SAYS NO!!

Leon said:

Yes.

A happily married friend of mine (in his 40s) was going slowly insane, locked in a two bed flat with his wife and teen daughter, 24/7. Wife lost her job early on in the Rona, so was at home all the time, for the first time ever, he is a freelancer so works from home anyway.

He was inches from divorce... when she at last got a new job, meaning she's out of the house most of the day, 5 days a week. Marriage saved. But it was close

Malmesbury said:

He is forgetting the main characteristic of violent revolution -

"But, I *am* loyal to the party..."

{sound of rifle bolts}....

YBarddCwsc said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/patrick_kidd/status/1364872099496677381

I think there is a simple explanation as to why the College's wine cellar might be exhausted.

TimT said:

Floater said:

kle4 said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.

I knew I guy who commuted from Scotland to London and another who commuted in his own plane to Chatham

Is that Chatham in Trinidad?

kle4 said:

Leon said:

eek said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

Leon said:

Pagan2 said:

MaxPB said:

Leon said:

And more. Juicy

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1364831766561890304?s=20

He's right, from my team the requests for remote working are zero so far. Almost all of the responses are 3 or 4 days in office with a few choosing 1 day from home every fortnight and two in the 5 days in office, only one has opted for 3 days WFH and she already did two days WFH before all this started.

The death of inner cities and offices are overdone and I expect the young, social under 40s will hold onto city life and that will force people back into offices as they will find their career growth stunted by remote working.

As a contrary anecdote, none of the team I work in want to go back to the office , the exceptions being managers. Indeed my company has let all but the head office leases lapse and the head office is more a paper fiction having a staff of about 8 out of the 200 the company employs

FOMO tho.

You'll be sat at home and the keen youngsters will go in. They will have those chance meetings, water cooler moments, important drinks, which can help a business and advance a career in multiple ways. They will have the whole shared office experience which makes a *team mentality* - the jokes and anecdotes and crises and Days to Remember - you won't.

They will make rapid progress, and be rewarded for their eagerness, the homesters might not.

This stuff is actually more important in areas beyond the obvious (banking, law, insurance).

In the creative industries the face to face stuff is absolutely crucial. Brainstorming doesn't work on Zoom. The lunch with that talented actor, dancer, writer, sculptor, agent, editor, singer, flint toy knapper, which tells you if they are any good, cannot happen if everyone is in their kitchen.

Right now most media/arts companies - publishing, journalism, events, drama, music, are WFH. I expect all of them to come back for nearly all of the week.

Team drinks have been pretty much a myth in any company I have worked for since 1990. Simple reason being when most finish work they have a 1 to 2 hour commute to go home often by car. Even for big things like the company christmas do it was rare to get more than 50% attendance.

Fair enough. All I know is that central London pubs - esp in the City, Soho, Mayfair, the Wharf - were, generally, absolutely rammed after about 6pm pre-Covid. And not with tourists.

London = no need to drive.

Once you get outside London (and other cities) the idea of going for drinks after work falls apart very rapidly

But Pagan2 talks of a 1-2 hour commute, generally by car. The only city big enough and rich enough to justify a 2 hour commute (in the UK) is London.

Are there people commuting for 2 hours to get to Bristol?! Manc? Edinburgh? Why?? The nice villages begin - max - 30 minutes from the centre...

People commute in very odd ways sometimes. I knew people who commuted 2 hours from Wales to get to Salisbury.

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Or it will have no effect like that brexit dramatisation. The liberal left (you) will wank themselves blind and post furiously on twitter about how this will change everything, the rest of the country will roll its collective eyes and get on with life and Starmer will still lose.

Ha. I'm that part of the liberal left that has given up all hope of anything changing for the better. I guess I have a tiny hope that when the violent change comes (which it inevitably will do, as you lot roll your collective eyes instead of fixing the constitution and the social settlement), it will lead to mass conviction/execution of Tories, the rentier class and the oligarchy, but of course it's far more likely to be fascism...

Anyway WWIII will kick off before that happens.

Back to the cricket now.

Oh, bugger.

Lol, you're funny.

Yeah. Hoping for the mass executions of Tories? I think that’s crossing a line.

He's talking about the danger of a break to extremism unless we wise up.