For the first time since July Johnson is back on top in YouGov’s “Best PM” ratings – politicalbettin
One of the most extraordinary polling trends that hasn’t been commented on that much is seen in the above YouGov table of its best prime minister ratings.
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So after the Brexit shambles and the pandemic chaos, he is as popular as when he won his majority. Pretty surprising I'd say
That's actually an interesting point - whether whoever formulates the proposed law actually remembers that sort of issue. Imagine being banned from Oxford for teaching creationism in the Dept of Zoology, or suing the Uni of Edinburgh for not being allowed to lecture on phlogiston in the Dept of Chemistry. Or homeopathy in the Dept of Medicine.
The vast majority of students will never attend any of these "talks". They will never even be aware that such "talks" are taking place. They literally do not care. Nobody cares.
It's the most middle-class obsession ever.
But you said it was the obsession of right-wingers!
If a guest speaker wanted to advocate for a modern theory based upon phlogiston (or indeed creationism or homeopathy) then should that be illegal or halted? I'd say no absolutely not, let them speak.
Existing thought should always be able to be challenged, even if the challengers are wrong. Because sometimes they won't be and that's how we learn and progress.
Almost every other world leader is similar. The only surprise would be if he wasn't.
For what it is worth, I think the NUS is run by nutters and that the obsession with "safe spaces" and "no platforming" is equally as ridiculous.
But to be THAT bothered about who speaks at universities that you advocate using valuable legislative time to actually make laws about it, Jesus Christ.
It's pathetic.
The only reason conflict could possibly exist is if there exists people who wish to deny the right to speak to others? If people exist who think that "No Platform" is appropriate. Do you deny that?
Some of those most forthright about "cancel culture" coincidentally see that as a case for summary dismissal and disbarring.
Also - any decent uni teacher includes controversies and opposing theories andf makes the student attempt to assess them, anyway. Fior instance, why might homoeopathy have seemed to be successful when it was introduced?
But nobody cares because Student Unions are meaningless. This is about petty student political squabbles. 99%+ of students are not interested in any of this on both sides of the argument. They just want to get pissed, have lots of sex, get a 2:1, and get a job.
As I said in the last thread, this is "Oxford Union" people growing up and thinking the "Oxford Union" is the entire world. It isn't.
They’re now getting really upset at a little pushback against their aggressive cancel culture.
https://twitter.com/rcolvile/status/1361673425140543490
By the way - was there ever any discussion of one rather obvious reason for doctors, especially BAME ones, declining a vaccine - that they had already had the bug (being in a high risk part of a high risk job) and were happy to wait a little longer to see how the vaccines shook out? I tried to raise it but there was lots of stuff about juju and so on and I don't knoiw if my point was considered.
Yet they would all be re elected tomorrow, just like Johnson.
As both departments (even though they share buildings in places like Newcastle) have fundamental reasons why they won't trust the other department with their data.
Here's a spoiler for you: student unions are meaningless and irrelevant. Nobody cares about them other than you, weirdly. It's weird.
"Anyone who wants to hear the thoughts of (say) Jordan B. Peterson can easily do so with a couple of clicks on the internet.
Hardly anyone does, in the same way that hardly any uni students go and see him in person."
*Hardly anyone* is an interesting definition of "millions of people"
Here's one of Peterson's lectures on Bible history (not an obviously sexy subject)
It has had...... 7.8 MILLION views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w
He is an extremely popular academic. One of the most high profile in the world. Your remarks are laughably stupid.
If that's accurate, then one wonders how many of them merit a place at university at all, or whether their institution merits its title as one.
Sure you can argue against "no platforming". I certainly do. I think "no platforming" is stupid.
But if you start describing it in terms of the "loony left" and that they must be "crushed at universities" you're not actually tackling the issue you're simply igniting the culture war. Again.
Well to 99% of students the "student union" is merely a place where there is a cheap bar. So what exactly are you arguing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYQpge1W5s&t=471s
24 MILLION views.
"Hardly anyone"
I disagree.
I think the only talk I ever attended that didn't have an embarrassingly small number of people attending was a Robin Cook talk and that was because all his son's mates went along...
But - as you say - very interesting. Thanks.
"12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos is a 2018 self-help book by Canadian clinical psychologist and psychology professor Jordan Peterson. It provides life advice through essays in abstract ethical principles, psychology, mythology, religion, and personal anecdotes.
The book topped bestseller lists in Canada, the United States, and the United Kingdom, and has sold over five million copies worldwide"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12_Rules_for_Life
It is interesting to see that the Tory Party has dug a great big bear pit for the Labour Party with the creation of the new post of the Woke-finder General in Universities.
I expect some Labour MPs will helpfully fall straight into the bear pit.
My guess is that the Tories have no great interest in the University seats, almost all of which they don't hold (with the exception of NPxMP's Broxtowe).
They do have a great deal of interest in provoking a Great Woke-Hunt.
I cared about the student union in my day, I was an active member and I went to many guest lectures that were educational, informative or fun. As well as getting pissed. Its not only booze that matters.
Also Starmer seems to have gone backwards and at present is invisible
https://www.tomforth.co.uk/binsandthelaw/
It is literally the realm of weirdos and obsessives. I'm obsessed with politics and even I don't bother with this rubbish now and when I was an undergraduate.
For example, the Universal Credit system will log, validate and authorise every request to every single record except for some very minor exceptions (database DBAs who all hold high security clearance).
For performance issues that was changed slightly to allow people access for 10 minutes after the initial authorization is given but that took 6 months of work and explicit ministerial approval.
They are introducing these measures to avoid being outflanked on the right.
This is not about "free speech". This is about 35+ year olds getting angry because the man they "support" isn't invited to speak at the university they attended 15 year ago. Something must be done you're so oppressed!
It's pathetic. Why not actually focus on improving people's lives rather than this culture war nonsense. You are just as bad as the no platformers.
Everyone else is far more interested in getting the best degree they can and repaying the loans they've been forced to take.
So the reality is that you (and the Government) are complaining about something that no one else cares 1 iota about.
If the Health Secretary is getting involved with this it would be weird. If the Universities Minister or equivalent is then its part of his portfolio.
Pleased to see that we are agreed that attacks on free speech are real. We disagree about its significance. Recent events in the USA suggest that freedom is a fragile plant, and that the time to deal carefully with fascistic mentalities is now, soon and always. Freedom is always a work in progress.
The Universities Minister should concentrate on things of real importance for example mental health provision, improving university standards, tuition fee reform. Literally anything is a more valuable use of time than this culture war nonsense.
Freedom of speech is the cornerstone of democracy, it’s worth an awful lot of fighting over.
Most politicians went to those, and participated vigorously in them.
Most normal people didn't and didn't.
Except that would mean looking at real problems so they go for the culture war instead as its less awkward and embarrassing then trying to work out how a university offers the practical elements of a degree that they've failed to provide but are contractually obliged to fulfil.
It's like crying "freedom of speech" when the teacher tells you off in the playground for bullying another student. It's juvenile.
That we even need to debate this, rather than reflexively saying "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is tragic.
So who is opposed to freedom of speech? They are the ones you should turn your fire upon, not those in favour of it.
However I don't think its unreasonable to view an unreasonable amount of focus and fanfair on an issue that affects virtually nobody as anything other than banging the culture war drum.
Mainly I haven't got a clue what the actual issue is because it's not that people are barred from speaking (the only person I've seen pull that trick is the Home Secretary barring people who have been invited) it's more they are complaining that they haven't been invited (because no one wants to listen to them).
But if anyone disagrees with me - I 100% respect their right to speak.
What the government is doing is obliging universities to accept a range of views ministers themselves find acceptable.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4iKfrY9l2kY
We're talking about maybe 100-200 hardcore politics obsessives out of 40,000 in a particular city. The 39,800 do not believe their freedom of speech is constrained in the slightest. They are just getting on with being students.
You're suggesting that Parliament should get involved in something that affects literally nobody.
It's like you suggesting Parliament should get involved in banning teachers from telling kids off for insulting each other in the name of free speech.
This isn't a free speech issue. It's nothing.
It must be nice having breakfast in the Gallowgate household
Gallowgate (marching down the stairs in tartan pyjamas): "I'm NOT HAVING LAMB'S TESTICLES FOR BREAKFAST!!"
Mrs Gallowgate (quietly): "But we're having cornflakes, dear, no one mentioned lamb's testicles."
Gallowgate: "THERE YOU GO AGAIN. BANGING ON ABOUT LAMB'S TESTICLES. STOP TALKING ABOUT LAMB'S TESTICLES FOR BREAKFAST. NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT A HOT, TASTY DISH OF LAMB'S TESTICLES. ESPECIALLY AT BREAKFAST."
Mrs Gallowgate (edging to the door): "I might just, er, nip to the shop for bread."
Gallowgate: "AH. SO WE CAN HAVE HOT, FRESH, TASTY, LAMB'S TESTICLES ON TOAST?"
Although I dislike Warsi now as she has gone down her own extreme rabbit hole, all parties put up an A List against the fool and they demolished him in open debate.
Support for the BNP cratered after that. Free speech works.
One side is in favour of freedom of speech.
The other side is in favour of cancellations, boycotts, and protests about speakers.
Which side are you on?