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It certainly seems to cause more of a short-term reaction than the Pfizer one, presumably because you actually get infected with a live (but harmless) virus, which isn't the case with the mRNA jabs.turbotubbs said:
YepRichard_Nabavi said:
AZ?turbotubbs said:
Mine did too - worst about 36 hours in and now eased off to nothing. Headache at 36 hours as well, but minor.Floater said:Son's arm still hurts 24 hours after his jab - but count me in!!!
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The one solid rule of Republican politics is that everyone hates Cruz.Stocky said:
Hope you`re wrong I`ve lumped on him at tasty prices.Nigelb said:
Cruz has no chance.HYUFD said:
Haley is probably the GOP's best chance to win the 2024 Presidential election but also the least likely to win the GOP nomination of the main contenders, the best she can do is be the VP pick to balance the ticket for Pence or Cruz, one of whom will likely be the nominee if Trump does not run again.Nigelb said:Reposting this link from the last thread: excellent long read article about Nikki Haley, which is essential reading for anyone intending to be on the next US presidential election.
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/magazine-nikki-haleys-choice/
This bit from the end of the piece is quite amazing...
...Perhaps the greatest threat to Haley is Fox News after dark. There is a reason she went on Laura Ingraham’s show on January 25—a few weeks after blaming Trump for the siege of the Capitol—and said we should “give the man a break.” (This was my latest Haley-induced whiplash; it made, by my count, three distinct stances on Trump in the span of six weeks.)...
...Hoping for a hint, I asked Haley on January 12: Does she still consider Trump a friend?
“Friend,” she answered, “is a loose term.”
... in the contact of this story, also posted today.
Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: 'We shouldn't have followed him'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/538573-haley-breaks-with-trump-we-shouldnt-have-followed-him
I'd be laying him at current odds if it were much closer to the election, but it's an awful lot of money to tie up for several years.2 -
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To be fair - it was a bit of a "what the fuck" momentkle4 said:
It is one of those rare, unguarded reactions from a politician, and so very amusing.TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
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England are doing a Newcastle UnitedAnabobazina said:
We are going to end up at the bottom!!CarlottaVance said:Wales widening its lead - and strong performances from NI & Scotland:
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Or it could be Bill Gates' microchips downloading a massive software update.ozymandias said:
Headache obviously attributable to the nanobots rearranging the DNA in preparation for biological integration with our soon-to-be overlords from the planet Zarg.CarlottaVance said:
Interesting - SinoVac administered in Indonesia also led to splitting headache - fixed with paracetamol....turbotubbs said:
Mine did too - worst about 36 hours in and now eased off to nothing. Headache at 36 hours as well, but minor.Floater said:Son's arm still hurts 24 hours after his jab - but count me in!!!
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I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:1 -
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Yes. OMFG.Floater said:
It wasnt Macron - click the link in my original post to see what was said by the ministerydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
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We conceded our long-held top spot to the Welsh on Wednesday and are about to be superseded by the Irish, with the spectre of an in-form Scotland threatening to hammer all-comers and surge up the table!Gallowgate said:
England are doing a Newcastle UnitedAnabobazina said:
We are going to end up at the bottom!!CarlottaVance said:Wales widening its lead - and strong performances from NI & Scotland:
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Not really heard much about the Russian rollout of their Sputnik vaccine. I wonder if the fiddling with their Covid figures (with excess deaths around 3x that) is hindering acceptance of it.0
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That's a sore point, because of the Expulsion and then being banned from living here for three hundred years.algarkirk said:
What no Jewish people?Alphabet_Soup said:
Will no-one stand up for the Beaker People?DavidL said:
Take some Picts, Celts and SiluresMarqueeMark said:Yay for us!
And let them settle,
Then overrun them with Roman conquerors.
Remove the Romans after approximately 400 years
Add lots of Norman French to some
Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Vikings, then stir vigorously.
Mix some hot Chileans, cool Jamaicans, Dominicans,
Trinidadians and Bajans with some Ethiopians, Chinese,
Vietnamese and Sudanese.
Then take a blend of Somalians, Sri Lankans, Nigerians
And Pakistanis,
Combine with some Guyanese
And turn up the heat.
Sprinkle some fresh Indians, Malaysians, Bosnians,
Iraqis and Bangladeshis together with some
Afghans, Spanish, Turkish, Kurdish, Japanese
And Palestinians
Then add to the melting pot.
Leave the ingredients to simmer.
As they mix and blend allow their languages to flourish
Binding them together with English.
Allow time to be cool.
Add some unity, understanding, and respect for the future,
Serve with justice
And enjoy.
Note: All the ingredients are equally important. Treating one ingredient better than another will leave a bitter unpleasant taste.
Warning: An unequal spread of justice will damage the people and cause pain. Give justice and equality to all.
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Sorry to hear that, hope he is ok.OldKingCole said:Friend of mine, whose wife tested positive a day or so after, I believe, he had his first vaccination is, according to his daughter, on a ventilator!
Bad luck to get exposed (presumably) before any protective effect from vaccine.0 -
Agree. Don't think Carlson either. My lay book (for GOP nom) is going gangbusters. I've done the 2 above plus all the Trumps, Haley, Pence, Paul, Pompeo, Carson. It's the most incredible fun.Nigelb said:
Cruz has no chance.HYUFD said:
Haley is probably the GOP's best chance to win the 2024 Presidential election but also the least likely to win the GOP nomination of the main contenders, the best she can do is be the VP pick to balance the ticket for Pence or Cruz, one of whom will likely be the nominee if Trump does not run again.Nigelb said:Reposting this link from the last thread: excellent long read article about Nikki Haley, which is essential reading for anyone intending to be on the next US presidential election.
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/magazine-nikki-haleys-choice/
This bit from the end of the piece is quite amazing...
...Perhaps the greatest threat to Haley is Fox News after dark. There is a reason she went on Laura Ingraham’s show on January 25—a few weeks after blaming Trump for the siege of the Capitol—and said we should “give the man a break.” (This was my latest Haley-induced whiplash; it made, by my count, three distinct stances on Trump in the span of six weeks.)...
...Hoping for a hint, I asked Haley on January 12: Does she still consider Trump a friend?
“Friend,” she answered, “is a loose term.”
... in the contact of this story, also posted today.
Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: 'We shouldn't have followed him'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/538573-haley-breaks-with-trump-we-shouldnt-have-followed-him
I'd sooner put money on Tucker Carlson.1 -
Sure, but why leap across to them now? For such people I'd have thought not restoring the whip to Saint Jezza would have been the final straw (he's kept quiet, I am amazed it has not been restored - or would be, were it not for his court case)Gallowgate said:0 -
Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
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Yeah; complex genetic mixtures in East Europe. With a bit of effort almost anything can be 'proved'.algarkirk said:
Good luck with that explanation.OldKingCole said:
Palestinians? After all, that was where they started. Unless you're a follower of Koestler.algarkirk said:
What no Jewish people?Alphabet_Soup said:
Will no-one stand up for the Beaker People?DavidL said:
Take some Picts, Celts and SiluresMarqueeMark said:Yay for us!
And let them settle,
Then overrun them with Roman conquerors.
Remove the Romans after approximately 400 years
Add lots of Norman French to some
Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Vikings, then stir vigorously.
Mix some hot Chileans, cool Jamaicans, Dominicans,
Trinidadians and Bajans with some Ethiopians, Chinese,
Vietnamese and Sudanese.
Then take a blend of Somalians, Sri Lankans, Nigerians
And Pakistanis,
Combine with some Guyanese
And turn up the heat.
Sprinkle some fresh Indians, Malaysians, Bosnians,
Iraqis and Bangladeshis together with some
Afghans, Spanish, Turkish, Kurdish, Japanese
And Palestinians
Then add to the melting pot.
Leave the ingredients to simmer.
As they mix and blend allow their languages to flourish
Binding them together with English.
Allow time to be cool.
Add some unity, understanding, and respect for the future,
Serve with justice
And enjoy.
Note: All the ingredients are equally important. Treating one ingredient better than another will leave a bitter unpleasant taste.
Warning: An unequal spread of justice will damage the people and cause pain. Give justice and equality to all.
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I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
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Here's the link again. See also the twitter feed below the video:ydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1360222480980443138
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Even the Haley article has a go at him.Nigelb said:
The one solid rule of Republican politics is that everyone hates Cruz.Stocky said:
Hope you`re wrong I`ve lumped on him at tasty prices.Nigelb said:
Cruz has no chance.HYUFD said:
Haley is probably the GOP's best chance to win the 2024 Presidential election but also the least likely to win the GOP nomination of the main contenders, the best she can do is be the VP pick to balance the ticket for Pence or Cruz, one of whom will likely be the nominee if Trump does not run again.Nigelb said:Reposting this link from the last thread: excellent long read article about Nikki Haley, which is essential reading for anyone intending to be on the next US presidential election.
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2021/magazine-nikki-haleys-choice/
This bit from the end of the piece is quite amazing...
...Perhaps the greatest threat to Haley is Fox News after dark. There is a reason she went on Laura Ingraham’s show on January 25—a few weeks after blaming Trump for the siege of the Capitol—and said we should “give the man a break.” (This was my latest Haley-induced whiplash; it made, by my count, three distinct stances on Trump in the span of six weeks.)...
...Hoping for a hint, I asked Haley on January 12: Does she still consider Trump a friend?
“Friend,” she answered, “is a loose term.”
... in the contact of this story, also posted today.
Nikki Haley breaks with Trump: 'We shouldn't have followed him'
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/538573-haley-breaks-with-trump-we-shouldnt-have-followed-him
I'd be laying him at current odds if it were much closer to the election, but it's an awful lot of money to tie up for several years.
...Haley didn’t really know Cruz, but he was everything she had expected—awkward, insincere. Over a painfully long dinner, the Texas senator recited line after line from his stump speech. When she asked Cruz, near the end of the dinner, what he would want his legacy to be as president, he responded, “I want to be remembered as the president who repealed every word of Obamacare.” When the senator left, Haley and her staff burst into laughter...0 -
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:0 -
Maybe. If so there'll be 14 million people in the UK with exception errors shortly, and having to switch themselves off and on again. Utter Tory shambles.Richard_Nabavi said:
Or it could be Bill Gates' microchips downloading a massive software update.ozymandias said:
Headache obviously attributable to the nanobots rearranging the DNA in preparation for biological integration with our soon-to-be overlords from the planet Zarg.CarlottaVance said:
Interesting - SinoVac administered in Indonesia also led to splitting headache - fixed with paracetamol....turbotubbs said:
Mine did too - worst about 36 hours in and now eased off to nothing. Headache at 36 hours as well, but minor.Floater said:Son's arm still hurts 24 hours after his jab - but count me in!!!
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To be fair Plaid are still a poor third in Wales, had Sturgeon said it it would have been a different matterGallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
https://twitter.com/Esquerra_INT/status/1360266146755342339?s=200 -
The only Welsh politician the world is listening to Mark Drakeford though, thanks to his marvellous rollout of the vaccine.Gallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
https://twitter.com/Esquerra_INT/status/1360266146755342339?s=20
He really should be a contender to succeed Sir Keir Starmer, if not Boris Johnson1 -
Funny how we got the thread the other day about how supposedly Starmer is leading in the favourability ratings - except actually Johnson has more favourables, Starmer just has more don't knows than negatives is the only difference.Scott_xP said:
This rating shows the same thing. More people favour Boris than Starmer - but there's a chunk that don't know.2 -
I dunno, anecdotally the removal of the whip from Saint Jezza sparked apathy rather than opposition to Starmer's Labour. Perhaps Bozza's vaccine success is causing the same people to give up seeking actual power and rather align with a party they feel actually represents their views?kle4 said:
Sure, but why leap across to them now? For such people I'd have thought not restoring the whip to Saint Jezza would have been the final straw (he's kept quiet, I am amazed it has not been restored - or would be, were it not for his court case)Gallowgate said:
I'm not sure it guides us on the outcome of the next election but its certainly not good for Labour in the locals.1 -
Given the higher refusal rates among the BAME population, unless that changes, it's almost inevitable.Anabobazina said:
We are going to end up at the bottom!!CarlottaVance said:Wales widening its lead - and strong performances from NI & Scotland:
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1360259400443834372?s=20
% BAME:
Eng & Wls: 14%
Scotland: 4%
NI: <2%
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I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:1 -
The 'so what' is you saying it was incidental to the point when it was very much an impactful factor in any national decision. I think you are presuming I was making a point beyond that and are seeking to counter it, but that is not the case.TOPPING said:
My point is that like so much else, we remain and would have remained sovereign. Had we wanted to as EU members (indeed weren't we to all intents and purposes EU members at the time) have done our own thing. As did Malta and Germany.kle4 said:
We may or may not have chosen to do so, I dont know. I doubt most EU nations think they made a wrong call sticking with the coordinated approach. I merely contest the idea it is incidental if there is a preferred and recommended EU approach. That's highly relevant for any nation considering going outside. They could, some did, but it's not a minor factor.TOPPING said:
Hmm. The mightykle4 said:
Many things are possible whilst also facing pressure to not do those things. The EU prizes solidarity so highly it may well be difficult for some to take alternative actions. So I dont agree its incidental when the EC is saying the approach was right as that is relevant.TOPPING said:
So how come the EU is the baddy? They just turned out to be useless at vaccine procurement.CarlottaVance said:
Germany did.TOPPING said:
So Carlotta you are saying that countries could have gone out and got vaccines regardless of their status of EU membership?CarlottaVance said:Then answer me this. How come the European country which is furthest ahead of all the other EU members is tiny Malta which went out and procured vaccines on its own?
As with everything else, membership of the EU was incidental to the real issue.
They might well still consider it the right approach even with the issues, but if presented two options and I'm very strongly told I should pick one of them it's not incidental.MaltaUK would not have been able to plough its own furrow?
You may think people are making too much of it, but it certainly is not incidental.
I get that the EU were crap at vaccine procurement and we were the dog's. But that we were the dog's had nothing to do with us being members of the EU. Of course they had a preferred and recommended approach but so what?0 -
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Local Greens round my way seem to work a lot harder between elections than many other parties, which is deserving of some amount of praise.noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:1 -
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Wow.TimT said:
Here's the link again. See also the twitter feed below the video:ydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1360222480980443138
That’s just extraordinary.
It’s a bit like Roehm’s famous claim that Hitler wasn’t being violent enough.
Although hopefully it won’t provoke quite the same reaction.0 -
Actually given Corbyn Labour was 11% behind the Tories in the 2017 county council elections which are up again this year, for Labour to be only 6% behind now would still be a swing to LabourCarlottaVance said:Someone's pleased.....
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He really shouldn’t.TheScreamingEagles said:
The only Welsh politician the world is listening to Mark Drakeford though, thanks to his marvellous rollout of the vaccine.Gallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
https://twitter.com/Esquerra_INT/status/1360266146755342339?s=20
He really should be a contender to succeed Sir Keir Starmer, if not Boris Johnson0 -
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Drakeford will likely lose seats in May in the Senedd on current pollsTheScreamingEagles said:
The only Welsh politician the world is listening to Mark Drakeford though, thanks to his marvellous rollout of the vaccine.Gallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
https://twitter.com/Esquerra_INT/status/1360266146755342339?s=20
He really should be a contender to succeed Sir Keir Starmer, if not Boris Johnson1 -
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Not sure why they care how unprepared the team was, everyone can see the votes are there since before the trial even started. And it's not like they worry about the liberal media thinking that makes them look craven.Nigelb said:Are Senators supposed to be jurors in cases of impeachment ?
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Runaway winner of most impressive political eyebrows since Denis Healey.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
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Drakeford is clearly the finest politician in the UK – a true hero of Wales. As I am sure you and @Big_G_NorthWales will agree.ydoethur said:
He really shouldn’t.TheScreamingEagles said:
The only Welsh politician the world is listening to Mark Drakeford though, thanks to his marvellous rollout of the vaccine.Gallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
https://twitter.com/Esquerra_INT/status/1360266146755342339?s=20
He really should be a contender to succeed Sir Keir Starmer, if not Boris Johnson
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If you say something really patently ridiculous it can have the effect of stopping everyone in their tracks processing it before working out it is nonsense. I once witnessed in a meeting someone asking why there was no bad creditors provision on the creditors figure. It took several seconds of people going through the 'oh god we haven't, to this guy is a blithering idiot'.TimT said:
Here's the link again. See also the twitter feed below the video:ydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
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How extreme are the NF in France now? They've been tacking to the centre when other global right wing parties have got more nationalistic. Are they still an outlier? Are they really worse than Trump Republicans are or UKIP were (the Farage version, not the mad spin offs)?ydoethur said:
Wow.TimT said:
Here's the link again. See also the twitter feed below the video:ydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1360222480980443138
That’s just extraordinary.
It’s a bit like Roehm’s famous claim that Hitler wasn’t being violent enough.
Although hopefully it won’t provoke quite the same reaction.
I dont know, but my sense is the British perception is they are more extreme but the reality may be different?0 -
What strikes me about that one is how close the Kent districts are to the bottom of that table. Canterbury is only propped up by Orkney and Shetland. I seriously think the post infection immunity of being ravaged by our own varient, plus the vaccine rollout, has built up a degree of immunity here.Malmesbury said:UK local R
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Trump is using it to say the election was stolen.kle4 said:
Not sure why they care how unprepared the team was, everyone can see the votes are there since before the trial even started. And it's not like they worry about the liberal media thinking that makes them look craven.Nigelb said:Are Senators supposed to be jurors in cases of impeachment ?
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1360258176478814210
R Senators want him to say he didnt mean to incite the crowds. Trump wont do that for them.
As always it is Trump demonstrating he has power, and the Senators wishing he didn't but unable or unwilling to stop him acting as he pleases.
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Oh that's entirely understandable. Most of us are in one-party states in that sense, of course. The last time the constituency where I live returned anyone other than a Tory was 1970. One Shirley Williams. Wonder what happened to her?noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:0 -
Well done Mike on your vaccination and to all the others on here who are either having it or close to those who are.
It's a stellar success story.2 -
I suspect TSE's tongue was firmly in cheek.HYUFD said:
Drakeford will likely lose seats in May in the Senedd on current pollsTheScreamingEagles said:
The only Welsh politician the world is listening to Mark Drakeford though, thanks to his marvellous rollout of the vaccine.Gallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
https://twitter.com/Esquerra_INT/status/1360266146755342339?s=20
He really should be a contender to succeed Sir Keir Starmer, if not Boris Johnson
But you are right. Anecdotally here in Wales, Johnson is responsible for the vaccine rollout whilst Drakeford is responsible for the lockdown.2 -
They are very able to do something about it. It is that they are choosing not to. I fear for the GOP's foreseeable future as a national party. Failing to challenge Trump here, where the Senators actually have the power to do so in a very conclusive manner, means that they are giving up on electoral viability across whole swathes of the countrynoneoftheabove said:
Trump is using it to say the election was stolen.kle4 said:
Not sure why they care how unprepared the team was, everyone can see the votes are there since before the trial even started. And it's not like they worry about the liberal media thinking that makes them look craven.Nigelb said:Are Senators supposed to be jurors in cases of impeachment ?
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1360258176478814210
R Senators want him to say he didnt mean to incite the crowds. Trump wont do that for them.
As always it is Trump demonstrating he has power, and the Senators wishing he didn't but unable or unwilling to stop him acting as he pleases.
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1970? A marginal then.Black_Rook said:
Oh that's entirely understandable. Most of us are in one-party states in that sense, of course. The last time the constituency where I live returned anyone other than a Tory was 1970. One Shirley Williams. Wonder what happened to her?noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
1922 here. And that was presumably part of the 1922-23 last gasp of Liberalism0 -
I'd concur but in their minds they probably believe they can't. Not sure when they expect to get a better opportunity.TimT said:
They are very able to do something about it. It is that they are choosing not to. I fear for the GOP's foreseeable future as a national party. Failing to challenge Trump here, where the Senators actually have the power to do so in a very conclusive manner, means that they are giving up on electoral viability across whole swathes of the countrynoneoftheabove said:
Trump is using it to say the election was stolen.kle4 said:
Not sure why they care how unprepared the team was, everyone can see the votes are there since before the trial even started. And it's not like they worry about the liberal media thinking that makes them look craven.Nigelb said:Are Senators supposed to be jurors in cases of impeachment ?
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1360258176478814210
R Senators want him to say he didnt mean to incite the crowds. Trump wont do that for them.
As always it is Trump demonstrating he has power, and the Senators wishing he didn't but unable or unwilling to stop him acting as he pleases.0 -
@Malmesbury thanks again for the graphs - they tell a great (as in clear and as in good content) story!2
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If not President of the world.TheScreamingEagles said:
The only Welsh politician the world is listening to Mark Drakeford though, thanks to his marvellous rollout of the vaccine.Gallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
https://twitter.com/Esquerra_INT/status/1360266146755342339?s=20
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Per Owen Jones -kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
The Greens are far from a homogeneous bunch. They are best understood as having three main factions: the environmentalist “figs”, who are passionate about the climate and human rights, and fear an overbearing state; the liberal (yellow) “mangoes” who care about the same issues, but favour incremental market solutions; and the leftist “watermelons” (green on the outside, red on the inside) who prefer the role of an active government to achieve greater equality.2 -
Oddly that ties in with anecdotal evidence from the Grauniad I think. It's an odd poll though as all the others barely detect a LD pulse let alone a rise in support.CarlottaVance said:Someone's pleased.....
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And the Lib Dems are starting to pick up again. Not surprising. They are back in campaigning mode, ahead of the local elections.CarlottaVance said:Someone's pleased.....
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Not as bad as the Trump Republicans imo. But then ...noneoftheabove said:
How extreme are the NF in France now? They've been tacking to the centre when other global right wing parties have got more nationalistic. Are they still an outlier? Are they really worse than Trump Republicans are or UKIP were (the Farage version, not the mad spin offs)?ydoethur said:
Wow.TimT said:
Here's the link again. See also the twitter feed below the video:ydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1360222480980443138
That’s just extraordinary.
It’s a bit like Roehm’s famous claim that Hitler wasn’t being violent enough.
Although hopefully it won’t provoke quite the same reaction.
I dont know, but my sense is the British perception is they are more extreme but the reality may be different?0 -
Also firmly on the Path of the Mahayana.kle4 said:
There can be no liberation for us without liberation for allHYUFD said:
And accordingly, you're not even allowed to discuss things with other people. Or, indeed, achieve any partial success, ever.
Buddhist schism reference.
Not many of them to the pound.0 -
Congrats on showing up on this thread. Can't have been easy. Keep at it.kinabalu said:
Per Owen Jones -kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
The Greens are far from a homogeneous bunch. They are best understood as having three main factions: the environmentalist “figs”, who are passionate about the climate and human rights, and fear an overbearing state; the liberal (yellow) “mangoes” who care about the same issues, but favour incremental market solutions; and the leftist “watermelons” (green on the outside, red on the inside) who prefer the role of an active government to achieve greater equality.0 -
There are invidual London Boroughs like Newham, and Ealing, that alone have more BAME residents than the whole of Scotland. London is likely to be way at the bottom of the list for vaccination due to the demographics, which is bad news when many of the people forgoing the vaccine are those that need the protection most.CarlottaVance said:
Given the higher refusal rates among the BAME population, unless that changes, it's almost inevitable.Anabobazina said:
We are going to end up at the bottom!!CarlottaVance said:Wales widening its lead - and strong performances from NI & Scotland:
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1360259400443834372?s=20
% BAME:
Eng & Wls: 14%
Scotland: 4%
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Just booked it for Sunday, which is a relief in case I have to go into hospital. Haven't had my MRI result yet, but I know the consultant has had it for several days so I'm hoping that means there is nothing urgent re my vocal cord paralysis.Mysticrose said:Well done Mike on your vaccination and to all the others on here who are either having it or close to those who are.
It's a stellar success story.0 -
The daughter of King Felipe is coming to Wales to study at some, I presume, International or private school.Gallowgate said:
I doubt "Madrid" cares what he has to say to be honest.HYUFD said:Adam Price applauding Catalan nationalists, I expect Madrid will take note
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They are trying very hard to sell themselves as not the boot-boy-Petainist-tribute-bandnoneoftheabove said:
How extreme are the NF in France now? They've been tacking to the centre when other global right wing parties have got more nationalistic. Are they still an outlier? Are they really worse than Trump Republicans are or UKIP were (the Farage version, not the mad spin offs)?ydoethur said:
Wow.TimT said:
Here's the link again. See also the twitter feed below the video:ydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1360222480980443138
That’s just extraordinary.
It’s a bit like Roehm’s famous claim that Hitler wasn’t being violent enough.
Although hopefully it won’t provoke quite the same reaction.
I dont know, but my sense is the British perception is they are more extreme but the reality may be different?
From what French people I know tell me, this is regarded as lipstick on a pig. But the people I know are all firmly in the vote-for-anyone-but-FN* group
*Yes, they have changed the name.1 -
Le Pen is now polling higher than the Tories got in 2019 in the French presidential election latest runoff polls and about the same as Trump got percentage of the vote wise.noneoftheabove said:
How extreme are the NF in France now? They've been tacking to the centre when other global right wing parties have got more nationalistic. Are they still an outlier? Are they really worse than Trump Republicans are or UKIP were (the Farage version, not the mad spin offs)?ydoethur said:
Wow.TimT said:
Here's the link again. See also the twitter feed below the video:ydoethur said:
What has Macron actually said?Floater said:
I had to check a couple of times to make sure it wasn't just some strange translation....TimT said:
Indeed, she could just not believe what she was hearing. Perhaps she can run as the moderate in the run-off against Macron now.Floater said:Le Pen's expression is priceless
https://twitter.com/MehreenKhn/status/1360234436143550466
Wait, what did you just say?????
https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1360222480980443138
That’s just extraordinary.
It’s a bit like Roehm’s famous claim that Hitler wasn’t being violent enough.
Although hopefully it won’t provoke quite the same reaction.
I dont know, but my sense is the British perception is they are more extreme but the reality may be different?
The UK, US and France ie the main western powers permanently on the UN Security Council and in the G7 are now all seeing the populist right face off against the centrist, social democratic left Boris v Starmer, Trumpism v Biden and Le Pen v Macron.
There is a similar story in Italy and Canada and Spain, only really Germany the exception of the main western powers.0 -
Totnes was Liberal in 1923. (And LibDem via the wandering Dr Sarah Wollaston in 2019, but not elected as such.)kle4 said:?
1970? A marginal then.Black_Rook said:
Oh that's entirely understandable. Most of us are in one-party states in that sense, of course. The last time the constituency where I live returned anyone other than a Tory was 1970. One Shirley Williams. Wonder what happened to her?noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
1922 here. And that was presumably part of the 1922-23 last gasp of Liberalism0 -
I don't know why you are surprised. I have been saying for months that the Conservatives would pull away post vaccine, post Brexit . Although 33% for Labour is lower than I had anticipated. Labour will, I antcipate catch up and cross over. The news for Johnson of late has only been positive. That will change. Starmer, nonetheless needs to pull his finger out.Big_G_NorthWales said:1 -
According to the Sun, the Drakester is plotting a Welcome To Free Wales policy that will open up pubs west of Offa's Dyke on 2 April, just in time for Easter.
He's the one to watch – the very best of the best.0 -
The long-abolished seat of Hitchin. Quite marginal by that point, yes. She jumped ship and went to Stevenage in Feb 74 and a Tory took over. We then had the same chap until 1992, and his successor was Sir Oliver Heald who's still the local MP today.kle4 said:?
1970? A marginal then.Black_Rook said:
Oh that's entirely understandable. Most of us are in one-party states in that sense, of course. The last time the constituency where I live returned anyone other than a Tory was 1970. One Shirley Williams. Wonder what happened to her?noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
1922 here. And that was presumably part of the 1922-23 last gasp of Liberalism
For context, I wasn't born until 1976.0 -
As political acts of abject, unprincipled cowardice go, the GOP senators refusal to convict Donald Trump has to be right up there.noneoftheabove said:
Trump is using it to say the election was stolen.kle4 said:
Not sure why they care how unprepared the team was, everyone can see the votes are there since before the trial even started. And it's not like they worry about the liberal media thinking that makes them look craven.Nigelb said:Are Senators supposed to be jurors in cases of impeachment ?
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1360258176478814210
R Senators want him to say he didnt mean to incite the crowds. Trump wont do that for them.
As always it is Trump demonstrating he has power, and the Senators wishing he didn't but unable or unwilling to stop him acting as he pleases.0 -
If it happens then clearly that's not good news, but it looks from what I've read about the subject as if determined efforts are being made to bring down hesitancy rates as much as possible.glw said:
There are invidual London Boroughs like Newham, and Ealing, that alone have more BAME residents than the whole of Scotland. London is likely to be way at the bottom of the list for vaccination due to the demographics, which is bad news when many of the people forgoing the vaccine are those that need the protection most.CarlottaVance said:
Given the higher refusal rates among the BAME population, unless that changes, it's almost inevitable.Anabobazina said:
We are going to end up at the bottom!!CarlottaVance said:Wales widening its lead - and strong performances from NI & Scotland:
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1360259400443834372?s=20
% BAME:
Eng & Wls: 14%
Scotland: 4%
NI:
Basically if we end up with almost nobody refusing in the best performing areas and only 5% in the worst, then it shouldn't be too much of a problem. If the figures are more like 5% and 20% then it wouldn't be so great.0 -
Back in campaigning mode against the lockdown instructions do you mean?ClippP said:
And the Lib Dems are starting to pick up again. Not surprising. They are back in campaigning mode, ahead of the local elections.CarlottaVance said:Someone's pleased.....
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1923 here. No Labour candidate. 24% Labour in 1922. And well into the 20's again in 1924 ending a year of our radical lefty experiment.kle4 said:?
1970? A marginal then.Black_Rook said:
Oh that's entirely understandable. Most of us are in one-party states in that sense, of course. The last time the constituency where I live returned anyone other than a Tory was 1970. One Shirley Williams. Wonder what happened to her?noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
1922 here. And that was presumably part of the 1922-23 last gasp of Liberalism0 -
Won't Starmer bank the Don't Knows? He seems to be their leader, after allScott_xP said:4 -
Yep, same for me. Figure that higher green votes shows the main parties that voters care about green issues. This was mostly when green issues were a bit less in the mainstream.noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:0 -
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That worked so well last time. Unlocking a fortnight before England made Wales net importers of Cockney Covid.Anabobazina said:According to the Sun, the Drakester is plotting a Welcome To Free Wales policy that will open up pubs west of Offa's Dyke on 2 April, just in time for Easter.
He's the one to watch – the very best of the best.
Looking forward to the influx of Kent shoppers to McArthur Glen, Bridgend, a day after April fool's day.0 -
Any GOP Senator who votes to convict Trump will face a primary challenge they would probably lose, with a few exceptions like Romney in Utah where he has a big personal vote.kinabalu said:
As political acts of abject, unprincipled cowardice go, the GOP senators refusal to convict Donald Trump has to be right up there.noneoftheabove said:
Trump is using it to say the election was stolen.kle4 said:
Not sure why they care how unprepared the team was, everyone can see the votes are there since before the trial even started. And it's not like they worry about the liberal media thinking that makes them look craven.Nigelb said:Are Senators supposed to be jurors in cases of impeachment ?
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1360258176478814210
R Senators want him to say he didnt mean to incite the crowds. Trump wont do that for them.
As always it is Trump demonstrating he has power, and the Senators wishing he didn't but unable or unwilling to stop him acting as he pleases.
The same goes for the 10 GOP Representatives who voted to impeach Trump.
Turkeys do not vote for Christmas0 -
There's nothing to fear. I was at Trinity Oxford with Sian Berry and she was a fantastic Ents Officer on the JCR. You can't buy that sort of experience.noneoftheabove said:
I've voted green to encourage other parties to be more green. In a FPTP world where most of us live in safe one party seats it seems a more rational use of my vote than most alternatives. I wouldn't want a Green party government.Black_Rook said:
I think they have a core vote like the LDs, even if it's rather small. Some background level of concern about the environment is widespread, though for most voters this has little or no impact in reality upon the decisions that they make about how to live their lives. A small minority, however, are disciples of Saint Greta and genuinely regard the environment as their number one, overriding concern. A vote for the Greens makes sense for those people, even if some of them may be unaware, or do not necessarily endorse all, of their policies.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
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Sir Abstainalot? Very good!Alphabet_Soup said:
Won't Starmer bank the Don't Knows? He seems to be their leader, after allScott_xP said:2 -
I'd love to think it was the deep thirst of the people for a radical rethink of the constitution, the revival of local politics and democracy, deep thinking about the nature of work and the economy in the 21st century, a willingness to grasp the nettle of social care and healthcare needs and funding, and a firm commitment to freedom of movement and an ethical foreign policy.kle4 said:
I'll never really understand the Green figure. Other parties are pretty darn green thesedays, and with 7% they cannot all be radical Corbynistas.HYUFD said:
But I suspect it's mostly a proxy for "none of the above".
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To be fair, not all are cowards.kinabalu said:
As political acts of abject, unprincipled cowardice go, the GOP senators refusal to convict Donald Trump has to be right up there.noneoftheabove said:
Trump is using it to say the election was stolen.kle4 said:
Not sure why they care how unprepared the team was, everyone can see the votes are there since before the trial even started. And it's not like they worry about the liberal media thinking that makes them look craven.Nigelb said:Are Senators supposed to be jurors in cases of impeachment ?
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1360258176478814210
R Senators want him to say he didnt mean to incite the crowds. Trump wont do that for them.
As always it is Trump demonstrating he has power, and the Senators wishing he didn't but unable or unwilling to stop him acting as he pleases.
A few are just crazy.1 -
Really? Have you found a pulse?ClippP said:
And the Lib Dems are starting to pick up again. Not surprising. They are back in campaigning mode, ahead of the local elections.CarlottaVance said:Someone's pleased.....
https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1360263937795710986?s=201
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