With just three months to go before the Scottish elections a ratings boost for Sturgeon and the SNP
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Yep, only about 2 million or so people were vaccinated 3 weeks ago and so could now have developed a significant degree of immunity. So much of the downturn in infections must be down to the lockdown. In a months time there should be about 6 times as many people with immunity due to vaccines.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.0 -
Will from the Inbetweeners no?another_richard said:
Is that Michael Gove's mini-me ?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Not actually true, lib dems start at a very high level of dislike and have to work their way upSelebian said:
Also means there will be very few people who actually dislike Davey.Leon said:
Ah, that's itSelebian said:
I think it's a deliberate ploy to remain invisible until close to the election, then emerge as the fresh 'new' face of a new politics just in time for the poll. He knows that we all get tired of politicians and will be fully fed up with Johnson and Starmer by then.Leon said:
The other day a friend of mine, who is EXTREMELY well informed on politics, the kind of guy who can give you the exact turnout in the 1997 GE, or name the Shadow Defence Secretary, or quote the latest polling on Welsh independence, asked me: "who is the Lib Dem leader?"FrancisUrquhart said:
The Lib Dems get virtually zero media coverage. With COVID, it is all Boris, Hancock, Sunak, then Starmer, then Piers Moron....Time_to_Leave said:
You have to wonder if Ed Davey has missed his chance to make any sort of impact (not saying it’s his fault during a pandemic - I’m sure that in normal times he’d be making hay on Brexit)?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Plus, from recent Lib Dem experience with Swinson that having a leader too long can make them seem really annoying (more than a week or two in her case)
Genius
Actually, I'm nearly as big a politics geek as him (I'm on here every day for a start), and when he asked me It took me a full 30 seconds to say Ed Davey, and even then it was a bit of a guess. Indeed, it still is
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If we jump the gun would it not cause setbacks?Time_to_Leave said:
Not supposed to playing football at all, are they? Not surprised he’s annoyed.rottenborough said:Interesting... Let battle commence.
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You're probably in the right target area, just 'sane British government' gives me pause for thought.Time_to_Leave said:
No sane British Government wants this settled in court, and anyway the moral case is clear with an SNP win. On the other hand I can’t see the Scottish Government not giving way a bit on dates in amongst Covid. So I’m thinking there will be a referendum in mid-late 2022.Theuniondivvie said:
One would hope that the SCOTUK would be looking at the situation through the lens of legal and moral principle rather than that of feartie, hypocritical Unionism. I obviously have a higher opinion of British institutions than you.Leon said:
Curtice is great on polling and good on politics. He's not a constitutional lawyer.Theuniondivvie said:The sage has spoken.
https://twitter.com/progressscot/status/1356942944079593474?s=21
Neither am I, of course, but it seems vanishingly unlikely that the SCOTUK would not come down on the side of Westminster. Allowing indyrefs is expressly reserved to Westminster. And it has to be, as otherwise any constituent nation of the UK could have a referendum any time it likes, twice a month maybe, if its Assembly has that power.
The SNP could call seven a day until they get YES
Logically the power is therefore reserved for Westminster.0 -
She was a Jezza fanaticRoger said:
Who's Rachael Swindon? Whoever it is has a point though it would be nice to know where she's coming fromFrancisUrquhart said:Trending on the twatter.....
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If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.0 -
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.0 -
The trend lines on the graph on Wikipedia show Labour trending back down and the Conservatives trending up. Perhaps she views it as vindication of her beliefs about Starmer’s ability to win and a good time to really push for someone more Corbynite to take over?MarqueeMark said:
Interesting that she thinks now is the time to stick her head above the parapet....RobD said:
A huge Corbynista.Roger said:
Who's Rachael Swindon? Whoever it is has a point though it would be nice to know where she's coming fromFrancisUrquhart said:Trending on the twatter.....
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1357041551336235014?s=19
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Yes, he does look as if he had a briefcase at school.MaxPB said:
Will from the Inbetweeners no?another_richard said:
Is that Michael Gove's mini-me ?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
I think most people are now in the “let’s see this out however long it takes, get vaccinated, and then never do it again” camp. Gvt is pushing against an open door if it sticks with that policy.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.
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Theuniondivvie said:
One would hope that the SCOTUK would be looking at the situation through the lens of legal and moral principle rather than that of feartie, hypocritical Unionism. I obviously have a higher opinion of British institutions than you.Leon said:
Curtice is great on polling and good on politics. He's not a constitutional lawyer.Theuniondivvie said:The sage has spoken.
https://twitter.com/progressscot/status/1356942944079593474?s=21
Neither am I, of course, but it seems vanishingly unlikely that the SCOTUK would not come down on the side of Westminster. Allowing indyrefs is expressly reserved to Westminster. And it has to be, as otherwise any constituent nation of the UK could have a referendum any time it likes, twice a month maybe, if its Assembly has that power.
The SNP could call seven a day until they get YES
Logically the power is therefore reserved for Westminster.
Nothing to do with emotions, pure legal logic. A state that has no control over its constituent nations, by allowing them to secede essentially at will, is not a state at all, and is a mad construct destined for perpetual constitutional and economic chaos.
There was a reason the power to hold indyrefs was reserved to Westminster, this is it.
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This is quite a rant:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/trump-administration-tippers-fine-dining-dc.html0 -
'He's not a constitutional lawyer.Leon said:Theuniondivvie said:
One would hope that the SCOTUK would be looking at the situation through the lens of legal and moral principle rather than that of feartie, hypocritical Unionism. I obviously have a higher opinion of British institutions than you.Leon said:
Curtice is great on polling and good on politics. He's not a constitutional lawyer.Theuniondivvie said:The sage has spoken.
https://twitter.com/progressscot/status/1356942944079593474?s=21
Neither am I, of course, but it seems vanishingly unlikely that the SCOTUK would not come down on the side of Westminster. Allowing indyrefs is expressly reserved to Westminster. And it has to be, as otherwise any constituent nation of the UK could have a referendum any time it likes, twice a month maybe, if its Assembly has that power.
The SNP could call seven a day until they get YES
Logically the power is therefore reserved for Westminster.
Nothing to do with emotions, pure legal logic. A state that has no control over its constituent nations, by allowing them to secede essentially at will, is not a state at all, and is a mad construct destined for perpetual constitutional and economic chaos.
There was a reason the power to hold indyrefs was reserved to Westminster, this is it.
Neither am I, of course'0 -
Briefcase wanker....MaxPB said:
Will from the Inbetweeners no?another_richard said:
Is that Michael Gove's mini-me ?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
The power to enact the result was reserved by Westminster.Leon said:Theuniondivvie said:
One would hope that the SCOTUK would be looking at the situation through the lens of legal and moral principle rather than that of feartie, hypocritical Unionism. I obviously have a higher opinion of British institutions than you.Leon said:
Curtice is great on polling and good on politics. He's not a constitutional lawyer.Theuniondivvie said:The sage has spoken.
https://twitter.com/progressscot/status/1356942944079593474?s=21
Neither am I, of course, but it seems vanishingly unlikely that the SCOTUK would not come down on the side of Westminster. Allowing indyrefs is expressly reserved to Westminster. And it has to be, as otherwise any constituent nation of the UK could have a referendum any time it likes, twice a month maybe, if its Assembly has that power.
The SNP could call seven a day until they get YES
Logically the power is therefore reserved for Westminster.
Nothing to do with emotions, pure legal logic. A state that has no control over its constituent nations, by allowing them to secede essentially at will, is not a state at all, and is a mad construct destined for perpetual constitutional and economic chaos.
There was a reason the power to hold indyrefs was reserved to Westminster, this is it.1 -
They’re both right. This has to be the last lockdown. That’s why it is imperative not to lift it too early. Rishi extended furlough to end April and I think that is about right. Open up gradually from then and then, hopefully, by the end of the year we will be talking about the next big crisis.rottenborough said:Interesting... Let battle commence.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1357083184039616515
There was an article from an epidemiologist at Brown University from November that said that if he were forced to make a judgment this was to be an 18 month pandemic. As a layman I’ve always bought that.1 -
I said 2 million, but checking I see that although the data was released on the 14th it only included up to the 7th. So your 3 million figure is better. Either way the bulk of the people vaccinated are as yet not going to be changing the infection number. Whitty more or less said that in the briefing this evening, it's over the next month that they anticipate seeing the vaccination making a significant difference.another_richard said:If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.0 -
There is also a theory, floating around, that India was lucky enough to be hit by a "milder" variant. No idea if it is trueanother_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.0 -
I pray you to be right anabob. I like hearing all the good news. I want to be back to normal. Being greedy amongst so much destruction, I fear for the sport and arts I love.Anabobazina said:
Beer gardens at Easter I reckon.FrancisUrquhart said:Noticeable from Boris tonight, plan for schools 8th March and talk of national easing mot regional. I took that we should expect lockdown or lockdown-- to continue for quite a lot of time yet.
Opening up more widely late June, first day of summer.
I want you to be right. I think you are wrong in the terms of speed to normality. Like others here. I think you underestimate human behaviours in this, thinking they are indestructible, hugging and carrying on as normal too soon prolonging the thing.
Also, the +50s 1st & +70s 2nd occurring same time could slow things down a bit?
There also must be question marks over variants. Little is known about the new wurzel COVID, but if it’s anything like wurzel as a dialect it’s going to take scientists a long time to understand it. Our Gee Gnoming capacity does receive due praise, but on the down side it does take them a long time to flag things up.0 -
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A younger age demographic will help massively with deaths, 6.2% of india is over 65. It's 18.7% here. Also only 3.9% obesity.another_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.0 -
Keeping current rules and schools closed until May?Time_to_Leave said:
I think most people are now in the “let’s see this out however long it takes, get vaccinated, and then never do it again” camp. Gvt is pushing against an open door if it sticks with that policy.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.
I don't think that viable. There needs to be a balance between health and the economy, health and education, health and social isolation, health and travel etc. Ultimately that is a political judgement.0 -
And that's why restrictions need to be released steadily, so they combine with (a) a rising proportion of the population being vaccinated, and (b) the warmer weather.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.
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And the EU have not even started yet.glw said:
I said 2 million, but checking I see that although the data was released on the 14th it only included up to the 7th. So your 3 million figure is better. Either way the bulk of the people vaccinated are as yet not going to be changing the infection number. Whitty more or less said that in the briefing this evening, it's over the next month that they anticipate seeing the vaccination making a significant difference.another_richard said:If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.0 -
Anfield without the fans is not Anfield.1
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No.Alistair said:
The power to enact the result was reserved by Westminster.Leon said:Theuniondivvie said:
One would hope that the SCOTUK would be looking at the situation through the lens of legal and moral principle rather than that of feartie, hypocritical Unionism. I obviously have a higher opinion of British institutions than you.Leon said:
Curtice is great on polling and good on politics. He's not a constitutional lawyer.Theuniondivvie said:The sage has spoken.
https://twitter.com/progressscot/status/1356942944079593474?s=21
Neither am I, of course, but it seems vanishingly unlikely that the SCOTUK would not come down on the side of Westminster. Allowing indyrefs is expressly reserved to Westminster. And it has to be, as otherwise any constituent nation of the UK could have a referendum any time it likes, twice a month maybe, if its Assembly has that power.
The SNP could call seven a day until they get YES
Logically the power is therefore reserved for Westminster.
Nothing to do with emotions, pure legal logic. A state that has no control over its constituent nations, by allowing them to secede essentially at will, is not a state at all, and is a mad construct destined for perpetual constitutional and economic chaos.
There was a reason the power to hold indyrefs was reserved to Westminster, this is it.
"Under the Scotland Act 1998, the Scottish Parliament is not allowed to pass legislation relating to matters “reserved” to Westminster, including “the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England”. This is widely interpreted to mean that any referendum relating to Scottish independence would require Westminster approval. However, the matter has never been tested in court, so there remains some uncertainty about whether Holyrood could hold an advisory referendum without consent."
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/second-referendum-scottish-independence
So it is possible that Sturgeon could hold a referendum without Westminster's consent, but it would be advisory, a wildcat vote, and it would be boycotted by Unionists. Back where we started. Shall we call it a night?0 -
Yes its probably almost pleasantPhilip_Thompson said:Anfield without the fans is not Anfield.
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Yes, but a high Asian ethnicity! Obesity, heart disease and diabetes are big problems in the urban population there too.Pulpstar said:
A younger age demographic will help massively with deaths, 6.2% of india is over 65. It's 18.7% here. Also only 3.9% obesity.another_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.
I don't buy that they are near herd immunity at present, but an antibody population survey would give an indication.0 -
The new cases reported today were mostly tested on 01/02 and so would likely have been infected about 25/01 or 26/01 and so would have need to have been vaccinated about 13/01 to have received any benefit and before 10/01 for a significant benefit.glw said:
I said 2 million, but checking I see that although the data was released on the 14th it only included up to the 7th. So your 3 million figure is better. Either way the bulk of the people vaccinated are as yet not going to be changing the infection number. Whitty more or less said that in the briefing this evening, it's over the next month that they anticipate seeing the vaccination making a significant difference.another_richard said:If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.
So two to three million.
But growing everyday from now on
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Let's hope for better ideas than "Eat Out To Help Out".rcs1000 said:
And that's why restrictions need to be released steadily, so they combine with (a) a rising proportion of the population being vaccinated, and (b) the warmer weather.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.0 -
The data I shared earlier from today’s ZOE webinar suggests two weeks is the key point, after which the first dose roughly halves the new infection rate. Noting that after four weeks the new infection rate is still only being halved, not near eliminated.another_richard said:If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.
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We had a German exchange student in the Sixth Form who had a metal briefcase. Someone changed the combination on it and he actually flew back to Munich to get the bloody thing opened again.Foxy said:
Yes, he does look as if he had a briefcase at school.MaxPB said:
Will from the Inbetweeners no?another_richard said:
Is that Michael Gove's mini-me ?FrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Whatever he thinks and however right he might be - and I have no idea about that - Sunak should shut the f**k up at least as far as comments that get into the papers are concerned.DougSeal said:
They’re both right. This has to be the last lockdown. That’s why it is imperative not to lift it too early. Rishi extended furlough to end April and I think that is about right. Open up gradually from then and then, hopefully, by the end of the year we will be talking about the next big crisis.rottenborough said:Interesting... Let battle commence.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1357083184039616515
There was an article from an epidemiologist at Brown University from November that said that if he were forced to make a judgment this was to be an 18 month pandemic. As a layman I’ve always bought that.
There are still far too many nutters out there who believe this is all a giant conspiracy and they want to keep us in lockdown forever. Sunak's reported comments will simply play to that narrative and make it all the more difficult to maintain the lockdown as more people get vaccinated - something that was already going to be a tough job.
Moreover it is dishonest. In situations like this the science changes, it is inevitable as we are dealing with a living, evolving thing. Scientists can only advise on what they know at the time. It is for politicians like Sunak and his boss to make decisions on things like lockdown - they are political decisions informed by the science, not scientific decisions and implying it is the fault of the scientists is thoroughly dishonest
I have expressed a lot of admiration for how Sunak has handled things to date but this is a really stupid thing to let seep onto the front pages.1 -
Lol, just noticed the 'Captain Cook statues next on activists' list' headline in the breadcrumb stories. I wonder how many statue stories will feature on Tele front pages over the next 12 months?rottenborough said:Interesting... Let battle commence.
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And some of the EU members are proposing to only use the AZ vaccine on people a lot less likely to die. Which is a strategy that makes claims of what the "evil Tories" are up to look like small beer, as least the "evil Tories" are planning on vaccinating the people who need it most.FlightsPath said:
And the EU have not even started yet.glw said:
I said 2 million, but checking I see that although the data was released on the 14th it only included up to the 7th. So your 3 million figure is better. Either way the bulk of the people vaccinated are as yet not going to be changing the infection number. Whitty more or less said that in the briefing this evening, it's over the next month that they anticipate seeing the vaccination making a significant difference.another_richard said:If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.0 -
Trouble is if most people really are now in the “let’s see this out however long it takes" mode and for sticking out it becomes very difficult for No. 10 to do otherwise. Unfortunately the economy is in utter free fall. Interesting that Sunak has launched his kickback at the brewing attempts by advisors to change the goals of all this.Foxy said:
Keeping current rules and schools closed until May?Time_to_Leave said:
I think most people are now in the “let’s see this out however long it takes, get vaccinated, and then never do it again” camp. Gvt is pushing against an open door if it sticks with that policy.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.
I don't think that viable. There needs to be a balance between health and the economy, health and education, health and social isolation, health and travel etc. Ultimately that is a political judgement.
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Perhaps the eu members are merely subtly correcting their demographic bulge?glw said:
And some of the EU members are proposing to only use the AZ vaccine on people a lot less likely to die. Which is a strategy that makes claims of what the "evil Tories" are up to look like small beer, as least the "evil Tories" are planning on vaccinating the people who need it most.FlightsPath said:
And the EU have not even started yet.glw said:
I said 2 million, but checking I see that although the data was released on the 14th it only included up to the 7th. So your 3 million figure is better. Either way the bulk of the people vaccinated are as yet not going to be changing the infection number. Whitty more or less said that in the briefing this evening, it's over the next month that they anticipate seeing the vaccination making a significant difference.another_richard said:If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.0 -
Football without the fans isn't football. That is why there are such ludicrous results happening.Philip_Thompson said:Anfield without the fans is not Anfield.
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The big and entirely unglamorous restriction release is schools reopening.rcs1000 said:
And that's why restrictions need to be released steadily, so they combine with (a) a rising proportion of the population being vaccinated, and (b) the warmer weather.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.0 -
Leicester play both Brighton and Liverpool next week. Looking at that display, Brighton are the ones to fear.
Foxes sitting comfortably third 😊0 -
Yes, fair enough, I should have caveatted with “however long it takes to cover groups 1-9 with their first jab”. I’m assumed some limited time off for good behaviour in time for Easter.Foxy said:
Keeping current rules and schools closed until May?Time_to_Leave said:
I think most people are now in the “let’s see this out however long it takes, get vaccinated, and then never do it again” camp. Gvt is pushing against an open door if it sticks with that policy.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.
I don't think that viable. There needs to be a balance between health and the economy, health and education, health and social isolation, health and travel etc. Ultimately that is a political judgement.
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It is a curious that a lot here that say they are against organised religion are all for organised sports which surely is the second biggest driver of violence and divisionsquareroot2 said:
Football without the fans isn't football. That is why there are such ludicrous results happening.Philip_Thompson said:Anfield without the fans is not Anfield.
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There's a big test already coming on that front. Can the Government go more than another five minutes without giving into both the temptation and the pressure to follow Sturgeon's suit on opening schools? I mean, I understand why they're completely obsessed with the damned subject, but if the little superspreaders are let loose too soon then there may be a fearful and wholly avoidable disaster.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
Just because a fresh outbreak might not kill granny anymore, it still has a considerable capacity to kill or maim the middle-aged with this disease and send another tidal wave of victims to swamp the hospitals. And even for those who care more about kiddies learning their times tables than the body count, this ultimately does children more harm than good as well if they just end up being locked back up in their homes after a few weeks.
I hope the Government will show some restraint this time around and, at a minimum, keep the secondaries off until the presently dreadful weather has warmed right up, and the caseload is down to very low levels - but this lot don't exactly fill me with confidence.0 -
You don't need to have all schools going back simultaenously: infant and junior in March and secondary after Easter makes sense.Foxy said:
Keeping current rules and schools closed until May?Time_to_Leave said:
I think most people are now in the “let’s see this out however long it takes, get vaccinated, and then never do it again” camp. Gvt is pushing against an open door if it sticks with that policy.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.
I don't think that viable. There needs to be a balance between health and the economy, health and education, health and social isolation, health and travel etc. Ultimately that is a political judgement.0 -
This was a serological survey. My time in India was nearly 30 years ago now but social distancing in the big cities is impossible. I find it very easy to believe that more than 50% have been infected there. But herd immunity I am not qualified to comment upon.Foxy said:
Yes, but a high Asian ethnicity! Obesity, heart disease and diabetes are big problems in the urban population there too.Pulpstar said:
A younger age demographic will help massively with deaths, 6.2% of india is over 65. It's 18.7% here. Also only 3.9% obesity.another_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.
I don't buy that they are near herd immunity at present, but an antibody population survey would give an indication.
A sero survey is conducted every month by the Delhi government to assess the spread of coronavirus infection. According to the Health Minister of Delhi government, 28,000 samples were tested from all over Delhi in the fifth sero survey, which ran between January 15 and January 23. A total of 56.13% people have been found positive in the sero survey.
This means that 56.13% of the population of Delhi has developed antibodies against Covid-19 by unknowingly getting infected with Covid-19 and following recovery.1 -
It is the constitutional role of the Daily Telegraph to force splutterings of marmalade and toast in the shires every morning.Theuniondivvie said:
Lol, just noticed the 'Captain Cook statues next on activists' list' headline in the breadcrumb stories. I wonder how many statue stories will feature on Tele front pages over the next 12 months?rottenborough said:Interesting... Let battle commence.
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Organised sports are fun and entertaining, not violent and dividing.Pagan2 said:
It is a curious that a lot here that say they are against organised religion are all for organised sports which surely is the second biggest driver of violence and divisionsquareroot2 said:
Football without the fans isn't football. That is why there are such ludicrous results happening.Philip_Thompson said:Anfield without the fans is not Anfield.
I can take the piss out of a United fan all day long - but very happily doing so in a pub drinking pints in rounds with him.
That's social and a part of life, not violent or dividing while he gives as good as he gets.1 -
Not sure why your reply is relevant to what I was saying .... but it is all but certain that crowds affect players and therefore results.Pagan2 said:
It is a curious that a lot here that say they are against organised religion are all for organised sports which surely is the second biggest driver of violence and divisionsquareroot2 said:
Football without the fans isn't football. That is why there are such ludicrous results happening.Philip_Thompson said:Anfield without the fans is not Anfield.
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Always tough to win at Anfield.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
Liverpool haven't done it since December 13th.2 -
Infection is only the first part of the equation.IanB2 said:
The data I shared earlier from today’s ZOE webinar suggests two weeks is the key point, after which the first dose roughly halves the new infection rate. Noting that after four weeks the new infection rate is still only being halved, not near eliminated.another_richard said:If we assume that it takes three weeks for vaccination to have an effect on the reported new infections then only vaccinations up to 13/01 will be having an effect.
That is less than three million.
Everyday from now on that number grows and grows quickly.
The effects of health and transmission are vital as well.
It doesn't matter if you catch it if it doesn't make you sick and if you can't pass it on to others.0 -
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣dixiedean said:
Always tough to win at Anfield.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
Liverpool haven't done it since December 13th.0 -
Thanks. I've just found her. I thought she might be an MP but she's just Rachael from Swindon. I wouldn't like to fight her for a telephone box.Charles said:
She was a Jezza fanaticRoger said:
Who's Rachael Swindon? Whoever it is has a point though it would be nice to know where she's coming fromFrancisUrquhart said:Trending on the twatter.....
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Too cruel.dixiedean said:
Always tough to win at Anfield.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
Liverpool haven't done it since December 13th.0 -
Corbyn really mattersCharles said:
She was a Jezza fanaticRoger said:
Who's Rachael Swindon? Whoever it is has a point though it would be nice to know where she's coming fromFrancisUrquhart said:Trending on the twatter.....
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1357041551336235014?s=19
Anyone can see
Corbyn really matters
Corbyn really matters to me0 -
It is relevant in as much as I think the world would be a much better place if we banned all tv and press coverage of both sports and religion. Tangential maybe but still linkedsquareroot2 said:
Not sure why your reply is relevant to what I was saying .... but it is all but certain that crowds affect players and therefore results.Pagan2 said:
It is a curious that a lot here that say they are against organised religion are all for organised sports which surely is the second biggest driver of violence and divisionsquareroot2 said:
Football without the fans isn't football. That is why there are such ludicrous results happening.Philip_Thompson said:Anfield without the fans is not Anfield.
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Long way to go but my money is firmly on city now. (And before foxy gets excited, that’s the Manchester flavour...)Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
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Did you get that from Twatter too?Leon said:
There is also a theory, floating around, that India was lucky enough to be hit by a "milder" variant. No idea if it is trueanother_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.0 -
That I find absolutely impossible to believe. It’s not as if they closed the border and the virus is immune to mutation there. How many people flew into India from the UK before they restricted travel in November?Leon said:
There is also a theory, floating around, that India was lucky enough to be hit by a "milder" variant. No idea if it is trueanother_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.0 -
Fair enough.DougSeal said:
This was a serological survey. My time in India was nearly 30 years ago now but social distancing in the big cities is impossible. I find it very easy to believe that more than 50% have been infected there. But herd immunity I am not qualified to comment upon.Foxy said:
Yes, but a high Asian ethnicity! Obesity, heart disease and diabetes are big problems in the urban population there too.Pulpstar said:
A younger age demographic will help massively with deaths, 6.2% of india is over 65. It's 18.7% here. Also only 3.9% obesity.another_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.
I don't buy that they are near herd immunity at present, but an antibody population survey would give an indication.
A sero survey is conducted every month by the Delhi government to assess the spread of coronavirus infection. According to the Health Minister of Delhi government, 28,000 samples were tested from all over Delhi in the fifth sero survey, which ran between January 15 and January 23. A total of 56.13% people have been found positive in the sero survey.
This means that 56.13% of the population of Delhi has developed antibodies against Covid-19 by unknowingly getting infected with Covid-19 and following recovery.
I don't think that high enough for herd immunity, but fair enough. A lot depends on how representative the survey was, I suppose.0 -
Is that better or worse than when Owen Paterson accused badgers of moving the goalposts?rottenborough said:Interesting... Let battle commence.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1357083184039616515
But seriously- Rishi needs to wind it in here. Two things are pretty clear;
One is that this is nearly over. By the end of the month, we'll be in the high single thousands of infections a day, that feeds through to tens of deaths, and with spring coming and sufficient vaccination, that's it. It's not hard to hold numbers down over the summer, and the key thing is to be Covid-proof come September. The only way this goes wrong is if we unlock too quickly.
Second is that the reason we've had a rubbish autumn and winter is because we let the numbers get out of hand in September/October, and then didn't do enough subsequently to get control back.
The chancellor either doesn't understand that (in which case he's dimmer than I think he is) or he does, but is fluttering his eyelashes at the right wing (in which case he's playing a pretty unpleasant cynical game). Neither look is becoming. Is it (and maybe Govey's antics today) a reaction to Matt H's glory over the last week or so?1 -
It is also to be born in mind that india is judged lucky purely on number of deaths. As many have pointed out we dont know the long term effects of covid and anecdotally we are told many suffer lifetime from the after effects we just dont have statsDougSeal said:
That I find absolutely impossible to believe. It’s not as if they closed the border and the virus is immune to mutation there. How many people flew into India from the UK before they restricted travel in November?Leon said:
There is also a theory, floating around, that India was lucky enough to be hit by a "milder" variant. No idea if it is trueanother_richard said:
That would require about 10m infections.DougSeal said:
As covid deaths in Delhi are nearly 11k that would suggest a 0.1% IFR.
Which would be about half that of western cities.
Delhi I would guess would have a younger age demographic and less obesity but would have more air pollution and worse health care.0 -
Indeed, Everton haven't won at Anfield since the last millennium.dixiedean said:
Always tough to win at Anfield.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
Liverpool haven't done it since December 13th.
Heck, Everton haven't beaten Liverpool anywhere in over a decade.
Checks notes.
Everton have only won *4* out of 47 Merseyside derbies this millennium.0 -
Starmer's significantly higher rating in Scotland than Boris confirms why Boris will not grant any indyref2 as PM but Starmer might do if he ever gets to No 100
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Nah, I just want to finish in the CL places, and above Spurs and Arsenal. I have modest dreams.turbotubbs said:
Long way to go but my money is firmly on city now. (And before foxy gets excited, that’s the Manchester flavour...)Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
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Starmer isn't the problem?? Ha!glw said:
The real problem for Labour is that Starmer isn't the problem. It's the lightweights and leftovers around him that are putting people off.FrancisUrquhart said:Trending on the twatter.....
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1357041551336235014?s=19
The problem for Labour they are totally wrong headed.
In other news PBers continue at their supercilious condescending best.
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Patriotism is overrated. What is is good for?HYUFD said:0 -
Patriots 95%HYUFD said:
Not-Patriots 5%2 -
Won tonight though.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, Everton haven't won at Anfield since the last millennium.dixiedean said:
Always tough to win at Anfield.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
Liverpool haven't done it since December 13th.
Heck, Everton haven't beaten Liverpool anywhere in over a decade.
Checks notes.
Everton have only won *4* out of 47 Merseyside derbies this millennium.0 -
Ouch.dixiedean said:
Always tough to win at Anfield.Big_G_NorthWales said:Liverpool 0 Brighton 1
Liverpool haven't done it since December 13th.0 -
Winning elections...Benpointer said:
Patriotism is overrated. What is is good for?HYUFD said:
Or else why has Starmer suddenly become a very visual vexillographer?0 -
The referendum in 2014 was advisory.Leon said:
No.Alistair said:
The power to enact the result was reserved by Westminster.Leon said:Theuniondivvie said:
One would hope that the SCOTUK would be looking at the situation through the lens of legal and moral principle rather than that of feartie, hypocritical Unionism. I obviously have a higher opinion of British institutions than you.Leon said:
Curtice is great on polling and good on politics. He's not a constitutional lawyer.Theuniondivvie said:The sage has spoken.
https://twitter.com/progressscot/status/1356942944079593474?s=21
Neither am I, of course, but it seems vanishingly unlikely that the SCOTUK would not come down on the side of Westminster. Allowing indyrefs is expressly reserved to Westminster. And it has to be, as otherwise any constituent nation of the UK could have a referendum any time it likes, twice a month maybe, if its Assembly has that power.
The SNP could call seven a day until they get YES
Logically the power is therefore reserved for Westminster.
Nothing to do with emotions, pure legal logic. A state that has no control over its constituent nations, by allowing them to secede essentially at will, is not a state at all, and is a mad construct destined for perpetual constitutional and economic chaos.
There was a reason the power to hold indyrefs was reserved to Westminster, this is it.
"Under the Scotland Act 1998, the Scottish Parliament is not allowed to pass legislation relating to matters “reserved” to Westminster, including “the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England”. This is widely interpreted to mean that any referendum relating to Scottish independence would require Westminster approval. However, the matter has never been tested in court, so there remains some uncertainty about whether Holyrood could hold an advisory referendum without consent."
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/second-referendum-scottish-independence
So it is possible that Sturgeon could hold a referendum without Westminster's consent, but it would be advisory, a wildcat vote, and it would be boycotted by Unionists. Back where we started. Shall we call it a night?0 -
Possibly he's firing a warning shot to the medical advisors that they shouldn't start coming up with schemes for zero-covid level suppression.Stuartinromford said:
Is that better or worse than when Owen Paterson accused badgers of moving the goalposts?rottenborough said:Interesting... Let battle commence.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1357083184039616515
But seriously- Rishi needs to wind it in here. Two things are pretty clear;
One is that this is nearly over. By the end of the month, we'll be in the high single thousands of infections a day, that feeds through to tens of deaths, and with spring coming and sufficient vaccination, that's it. It's not hard to hold numbers down over the summer, and the key thing is to be Covid-proof come September. The only way this goes wrong is if we unlock too quickly.
Second is that the reason we've had a rubbish autumn and winter is because we let the numbers get out of hand in September/October, and then didn't do enough subsequently to get control back.
The chancellor either doesn't understand that (in which case he's dimmer than I think he is) or he does, but is fluttering his eyelashes at the right wing (in which case he's playing a pretty unpleasant cynical game). Neither look is becoming. Is it (and maybe Govey's antics today) a reaction to Matt H's glory over the last week or so?-1 -
Electing Tories on that poll!!Benpointer said:
Patriotism is overrated. What is is good for?HYUFD said:0 -
"Expert: European leaders endangering their people's health by attacking UK vaccine rollout
Leaders in Europe are recklessly endangering their own public’s health by using self-serving point-scoring to attack Britain’s coronavirus vaccine rollout, UK health experts have warned.
Kent Woods, a former chief of both the UK and European Union medicines regulators, told AFP: "This can only be negative on the vaccine takeup in France, in Germany and others. This is bad for public health. Forget the politics. This is a threat to public health and people in the public eye need to be very cautious in the messages they make. The key point to make is that the views coming out from politicians in Europe are in striking contrast to the scientific view reached by the European regulator, which has representation from all 27 EU member states. These are politically driven rather than scientifically driven.""
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/03/coronavirus-live-news-who-warns-vaccine-nationalism-will-spawn-new-covid-mutations?page=with:block-601ae5e68f08287e58467c2a#liveblog-navigation2 -
The Tories won the 2017 county council elections by 11% over Labour so Starmer will almost certainly make gains in the May locals even if the Tories still win themTime_to_Leave said:
Conference is going to be fun if the May elections happen and he doesn’t sweep all before him.FrancisUrquhart said:Trending on the twatter.....
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Late to the party. Back on topic, having met both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon several times, I am amazed how poor Salmond’s ratings are. However most people will judge him based on what they’re told by the media. Not surprised at Sturgeon’s ratings. She is a competent manager and good communicator - exactly what is needed just now. Maybe she will surprise me and call an Indyref, but I won’t hold my breath.2
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When the UK's vaccination strategy works will we see the Mother Of All Reverse Ferrets?Andy_JS said:"Expert: European leaders endangering their people's health by attacking UK vaccine rollout
Leaders in Europe are recklessly endangering their own public’s health by using self-serving point-scoring to attack Britain’s coronavirus vaccine rollout, UK health experts have warned.
Kent Woods, a former chief of both the UK and European Union medicines regulators, told AFP: "This can only be negative on the vaccine takeup in France, in Germany and others. This is bad for public health. Forget the politics. This is a threat to public health and people in the public eye need to be very cautious in the messages they make. The key point to make is that the views coming out from politicians in Europe are in striking contrast to the scientific view reached by the European regulator, which has representation from all 27 EU member states. These are politically driven rather than scientifically driven.""
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/03/coronavirus-live-news-who-warns-vaccine-nationalism-will-spawn-new-covid-mutations?page=with:block-601ae5e68f08287e58467c2a#liveblog-navigation1 -
The risk was not taken casually, but on the balance of scientific advice. Not taking it would undoubtedly have cost a significant number of lives.Cicero said:I would say that the weird UK information space that still thinks that putting out as many single doses as possible is an acceptable risk, even if it did lead to vaccine resistant strains, and that this decision is being taken by Tory politicians against the advice of the science and that is OK. Well, to be polite, that is not the view in the EU. If vaccine resistance happens, the UK will be quarantined way beyond anything we have seen so far. That this risk has been taken so casually is why the the Tories should not be in office.
FWIW, the general scientific consensus appears to be that mutations to the virus most commonly arise during lengthy serious illness in the sickest patients. And the evidence we have so far is that the single vaccination prevents most serious illness.
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Absolutely nothing, say it again y'allBenpointer said:
Patriotism is overrated. What is is good for?HYUFD said:
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Does anyone know what the timeline of Pfizer trial in the US for secondary school aged children is?Time_to_Leave said:
Yes, fair enough, I should have caveatted with “however long it takes to cover groups 1-9 with their first jab”. I’m assumed some limited time off for good behaviour in time for Easter.Foxy said:
Keeping current rules and schools closed until May?Time_to_Leave said:
I think most people are now in the “let’s see this out however long it takes, get vaccinated, and then never do it again” camp. Gvt is pushing against an open door if it sticks with that policy.Foxy said:
I am not advocating endless lockdown, but clearly ending them is tricky. There is the question of when, and how much.kle4 said:
Contrarian will not be happy about that last part.Foxy said:
Yep, lockdowns work. It is ending them that is problematic.another_richard said:New cases reported:
06/01 62,322
13/01 47,525
20/01 38,905
27/01 25,308
03/02 19,202
And that is with significantly higher testing and before vaccination has had more than a minor effect.
I think most transmission arises from household mixing, and inevitably as life resumes normality with schools, shops and the night time economy, rates will spike up.
I don't think that viable. There needs to be a balance between health and the economy, health and education, health and social isolation, health and travel etc. Ultimately that is a political judgement.
I would imagine that the teachers would be.... interested in a situation where they were vaccinated and the children they were teaching were vaccinated as well.
EDIT : I just found https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2021-01-25-pfizer-finishes-enrolling-children-12-15-covid-19-vaccine-study - which says that they finished enrolling for a phase III study in January.0 -
Thank you, we try.FlightsPath said:
Starmer isn't the problem?? Ha!glw said:
The real problem for Labour is that Starmer isn't the problem. It's the lightweights and leftovers around him that are putting people off.FrancisUrquhart said:Trending on the twatter.....
https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1357041551336235014?s=19
The problem for Labour they are totally wrong headed.
In other news PBers continue at their supercilious condescending best.0 -
Dawn Butler has just misnamed the Kent strain as the Essex strain.
That won’t go down well in Essex, where they say the only good thing about Kent is the view.0 -
A French start-up received an order from the UK government for 40 million doses of its vaccine yesterday – with the UK to now be given priority access to the vaccine over France and the rest of the European Union.
The vaccine is expected to be in the UK by June this year but may not be available in France until 2022.
President and Chief Business Officer of biotech company Valneva, Franck Grimaud, has estimated that the first vaccines will be delivered to the UK as soon as medical trials are complete – possibly as early as June 2021.
But vaccines are only likely to be available to the EU around the beginning of 2022, even though the company is based in Saint-Herblain, Pays de la Loire, west France.
...
The regional council president of the Pays de la Loire region has blamed the industry ministry for a missed opportunity to provide the vaccine to local people.
In a statement, President Christelle Morançais said: “It is vital that the state proves it has much more agility and reactivity when it comes to supporting and defending our companies at the forefront of fighting the virus.”
"France has missed the chance of 'its' own Covid vaccine."
"I have a terrible feeling of waste and of incomprehension in the face of this French and European failure," she added.
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-vaccine-startup-sells-40million-extra-doses-to-UK3 -
I think a comment earlier about how Salmond managed to trash his reputation among those who liked him with things like being on RT, whilst those who hated him continued to do so, was quite apposite.Fairliered said:Late to the party. Back on topic, having met both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon several times, I am amazed how poor Salmond’s ratings are. However most people will judge him based on what they’re told by the media. Not surprised at Sturgeon’s ratings. She is a competent manager and good communicator - exactly what is needed just now. Maybe she will surprise me and call an Indyref, but I won’t hold my breath.
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Fuxake, 'too many bloody Jocks' was a joke, turns out he was the only one!
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Labour taking a hit in Essex? And to think they were this close to winning seats there.Anabobazina said:Dawn Butler has just misnamed the Kent strain as the Essex strain.
That won’t go down well in Essex, where they say the only good thing about Kent is the view.
This being around 10,000 votes for the easiest one.0 -
Every 20 year old here is going to have the saffer super booster before France has the first dose given to their over 70s. Well probably not but it sort of looks like that.another_richard said:A French start-up received an order from the UK government for 40 million doses of its vaccine yesterday – with the UK to now be given priority access to the vaccine over France and the rest of the European Union.
The vaccine is expected to be in the UK by June this year but may not be available in France until 2022.
President and Chief Business Officer of biotech company Valneva, Franck Grimaud, has estimated that the first vaccines will be delivered to the UK as soon as medical trials are complete – possibly as early as June 2021.
But vaccines are only likely to be available to the EU around the beginning of 2022, even though the company is based in Saint-Herblain, Pays de la Loire, west France.
...
The regional council president of the Pays de la Loire region has blamed the industry ministry for a missed opportunity to provide the vaccine to local people.
In a statement, President Christelle Morançais said: “It is vital that the state proves it has much more agility and reactivity when it comes to supporting and defending our companies at the forefront of fighting the virus.”
"France has missed the chance of 'its' own Covid vaccine."
"I have a terrible feeling of waste and of incomprehension in the face of this French and European failure," she added.
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-vaccine-startup-sells-40million-extra-doses-to-UK0 -
Sounds like there's an opening, you could apply for the gig?Theuniondivvie said:Fuxake, 'too many bloody Jocks' was a joke, turns out he was the only one!
https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1357070392431677440?s=20
They sound desperate enough that you could suggest obvious sabotage plans and they might go for them.0 -
I don't think politicians need to be particularly patriotic. But people don't like to think they are being judged for being patriotic themselvesBenpointer said:
Patriotism is overrated. What is is good for?HYUFD said:0 -
I mean WTAF is going on in France?? It’s very sad to see. The entire vaccine procurement and delivery programme is a complete disgrace.Pulpstar said:
Every 20 year old here is going to have the saffer super booster before France has the first dose given to their over 70s. Well probably not but it sort of looks like that.another_richard said:A French start-up received an order from the UK government for 40 million doses of its vaccine yesterday – with the UK to now be given priority access to the vaccine over France and the rest of the European Union.
The vaccine is expected to be in the UK by June this year but may not be available in France until 2022.
President and Chief Business Officer of biotech company Valneva, Franck Grimaud, has estimated that the first vaccines will be delivered to the UK as soon as medical trials are complete – possibly as early as June 2021.
But vaccines are only likely to be available to the EU around the beginning of 2022, even though the company is based in Saint-Herblain, Pays de la Loire, west France.
...
The regional council president of the Pays de la Loire region has blamed the industry ministry for a missed opportunity to provide the vaccine to local people.
In a statement, President Christelle Morançais said: “It is vital that the state proves it has much more agility and reactivity when it comes to supporting and defending our companies at the forefront of fighting the virus.”
"France has missed the chance of 'its' own Covid vaccine."
"I have a terrible feeling of waste and of incomprehension in the face of this French and European failure," she added.
https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-vaccine-startup-sells-40million-extra-doses-to-UK1 -
Not trashed with everyone.kle4 said:
I think a comment earlier about how Salmond managed to trash his reputation among those who liked him with things like being on RT, whilst those who hated him continued to do so, was quite apposite.Fairliered said:Late to the party. Back on topic, having met both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon several times, I am amazed how poor Salmond’s ratings are. However most people will judge him based on what they’re told by the media. Not surprised at Sturgeon’s ratings. She is a competent manager and good communicator - exactly what is needed just now. Maybe she will surprise me and call an Indyref, but I won’t hold my breath.
According to malcolmg he's not a naughty boy, he's just the messiah.0 -
Perhaps he was also fired for inappropriate Jockularity?Theuniondivvie said:Fuxake, 'too many bloody Jocks' was a joke, turns out he was the only one!
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My natural Calvinist instinct to do a decent job would be a fatal flaw.kle4 said:
Sounds like there's an opening, you could apply for the gig?Theuniondivvie said:Fuxake, 'too many bloody Jocks' was a joke, turns out he was the only one!
https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1357070392431677440?s=20
They sound desperate enough that you could suggest obvious sabotage plans and they might go for them.
Anyway they really do seem to be able to fuck it up magnificently all by themselves.0 -
'Luke had gradually pissed off more and more people. He didn’t endear himself to other spads [special advisers], ministers or civil servants. No one was weeping to see him go,” one government official said.'Theuniondivvie said:Fuxake, 'too many bloody Jocks' was a joke, turns out he was the only one!
https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1357070392431677440?s=20
His replacement '“Oliver is good at this stuff — he knows this can’t just be about brute economics,” said one colleague. “It’s about passion, identity and about promoting the idea that you can be proud to be Scottish and British.”
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He’s so good that he managed to lose his seat to John Nicolson. Even Jo Swinson was able to beat John Nicolson.Theuniondivvie said:Fuxake, 'too many bloody Jocks' was a joke, turns out he was the only one!
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Is it bad I thought that song was originally Frankie goes to Hollywood?Foxy said:
Absolutely nothing, say it again y'allBenpointer said:
Patriotism is overrated. What is is good for?HYUFD said:
https://youtu.be/01-2pNCZiNk0
