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Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.1
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I think we focus too much on identity at times - it's so fashionable. A lot of Scots find themselves in a position where they are governed by a party not many of them vote for.Casino_Royale said:
There's no solution (either which way) that gives no succour to the other side.Razedabode said:
I took the same from that. Some real splits.Casino_Royale said:
Not good numbers.TheScreamingEagles said:
However, it's worth noting just how many people would be upset in both Scotland and Northern Ireland by independence and reunification, respectively. It's near enough half and half.
This isn't going to be nirvana or one big happy family whatevr happens.
A mixed bag tbh. Some underlying hope for unionists with the economy / upset splits
Even a reunified Ireland would need to have a unionist zone where people could still hold British passports and maintain their traditions. Even an independent Scotland would be heavily constrained by its need for a very close relationship with England, and limited influence within the EU.
The better solution is to allow all the identities to flourish in a system and model that respects them.
The UK mustn't make the same mistakes towards Scotland that the EU did towards the UK, for example.0 -
Well, there IS no accounting for taste!malcolmg said:
No way any self respecting human would eat that , SUN must have paid them to make one of those and come out with such porkies. Bet they have sold ZERO if it is indeed available.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm torn between that shows Scots aren't civilised enough to be independent and that I want Scotland to go independent because I don't want to part of a people who think that's acceptable toppings on pizza.williamglenn said:The case for indyref2?
https://twitter.com/scottishsun/status/1353028537377320962
Though you DO have a point. The bananna-pineapple-rhubarb(?) pizza reminds me of a story I read years ago by (or about) a British expert on Arabia (perhaps it was Kim Philby's father?) which claimed that many of the so-called "delicacies" offered to foreign visitors by Arab potentates, were actually practical jokes.
"Hey, let's give this guy a couple of sheep eye-balls, claim it's great honor - and see if the dumb SOB will actually eat 'em!"1 -
Panelbase polling on Scottish independence (DKs excluded):
Nov 2020 Yes 56% No 44%
Jan 2021 Yes 52% No 48%
I hadn’t realised the gap had shifted.
Probably winnable for unionists. Not sure how long for though - I can see a situation in the future where Scotland becomes 60% pro Indy in the future due to demographics
I still don’t understand why the Westminster gov doesn’t seriously look at constitutional change or reform. Hoping things hold isn’t working2 -
If the vaccines are very efficient at protecting people but the virus keeps going around with the non-vaccinated suffering badly, that itself might improve their view of vaccination.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
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The EU made a big mistake allowing the UK decide whether it wanted to remain a member or not. No way the UK is falling for that one.Casino_Royale said:
There's no solution (either which way) that gives no succour to the other side.Razedabode said:
I took the same from that. Some real splits.Casino_Royale said:
Not good numbers.TheScreamingEagles said:
However, it's worth noting just how many people would be upset in both Scotland and Northern Ireland by independence and reunification, respectively. It's near enough half and half.
This isn't going to be nirvana or one big happy family whatevr happens.
A mixed bag tbh. Some underlying hope for unionists with the economy / upset splits
Even a reunified Ireland would need to have a unionist zone where people could still hold British passports and maintain their traditions. Even an independent Scotland would be heavily constrained by its need for a very close relationship with England, and limited influence within the EU.
The better solution is to allow all the identities to flourish in a system and model that respects them.
The UK mustn't make the same mistakes towards Scotland that the EU did towards the UK, for example.0 -
I am cautiously hopeful that the ultimate result of this will be a serious reduction in the number of anti-vaxxers more generally. It's hard to believe vaccines are bad generally when everyone you know has had one recently and is thankful for the resumption in their everyday life that has resulted. The reason why the anti-vax movement has been able to gain traction is because almost no-one alive today really knows anyone who's died from the things we routinely vaccinate against, so the COVID vaccine should hopefully refresh our collective memories on that front.AnneJGP said:
If the vaccines are very efficient at protecting people but the virus keeps going around with the non-vaccinated suffering badly, that itself might improve their view of vaccination.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
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The easiest way to get the kids vaccinated, is by telling them they can’t get on a plane without either a vaccine certificate or a £100 test.AnneJGP said:
If the vaccines are very efficient at protecting people but the virus keeps going around with the non-vaccinated suffering badly, that itself might improve their view of vaccination.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
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Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
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I try to watch his update videos every day. He's been posting videos on C19 for about a year although I only discovered his channel a couple of weeks ago.Floater said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSeiNqOfjg
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It's too hard, and now it is so late it would look like a desperate gamble, which it would be.Razedabode said:Panelbase polling on Scottish independence (DKs excluded):
Nov 2020 Yes 56% No 44%
Jan 2021 Yes 52% No 48%
I hadn’t realised the gap had shifted.
Probably winnable for unionists. Not sure how long for though - I can see a situation in the future where Scotland becomes 60% pro Indy in the future due to demographics
I still don’t understand why the Westminster gov doesn’t seriously look at constitutional change or reform. Hoping things hold isn’t working
I think the next referendum, when it happens, is winnable for Remain, though I think it will lose, but it'll be on things as they are now.0 -
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Great idea to use mosques, churches, synagogues, temples, whatever as vaccination centers, indeed for even more public health efforts.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's being rolled out in lots of places, just waiting for the ok from the NHS and others that the nominated mosques are suitable.MarqueeMark said:
Hoping it will soon be doing 300-500 vaccinations a day is a decent beacon of hope, albeit with not the brightest of bulbs. We need to see this setting a trend, not being a one-off worthy of a BBC page in itself.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nearly as embarrassing as your comment on Kamala Harris not experiencing racism.geoffw said:About those communities reluctant to have a jab, it would be a good idea if the "community leaders" set an example by themselves having jabs with some publicity. Otherwise when it has died down there will still be continuing embers in the fire ready to flare up again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-55752056
Here on this side of the Atlantic (and Pacific) we are VERY used to using churches and other religious venues as community centers, NOT just for members of a particular faith, but also for neighbors of other faiths, or of none.
For example, widespread use of churches, etc. as voting locations. Because they are both ubiquitous across the landscape AND generally have halls, meeting rooms or some kind of space that is suitable, for example has ample space, heat and air conditioning, as well as being accessible to folks with disabilities.
And when I was a kid, was member of Boy Scout troop that met in the basement of the local Lutheran Church, though most of the scouts (including me) and scoutmasters were NOT Lutherans. We had our meetings there because it was convenient, and available because the pastor & congregation offered it gratis, as a service to us kids and the whole community.
Must say this is one thing I love about my country, always have and always will.0 -
They won't be evenly spread around, either. Heavily concentrated in very rich and very poor areas, would be my guess, with the emphasis firmly on the latter. I'm counting the days till Mr Khan and certain Labour Opposition frontbenchers are trying to blame the Government for the fact that the virus has been essentially eliminated other than in certain Labour-voting inner city areas.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
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No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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I saw that the other day. For something whipped together pretty quickly it was alright.Pulpstar said:Hadn't seen this before
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Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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I don't see any issue with the replies, herd immunity is a desirable outcome. Quite why those responses justified a block is beyond me.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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You mean, "No way the UK is falling for that one again".Theuniondivvie said:
The EU made a big mistake allowing the UK decide whether it wanted to remain a member or not. No way the UK is falling for that one.Casino_Royale said:
There's no solution (either which way) that gives no succour to the other side.Razedabode said:
I took the same from that. Some real splits.Casino_Royale said:
Not good numbers.TheScreamingEagles said:
However, it's worth noting just how many people would be upset in both Scotland and Northern Ireland by independence and reunification, respectively. It's near enough half and half.
This isn't going to be nirvana or one big happy family whatevr happens.
A mixed bag tbh. Some underlying hope for unionists with the economy / upset splits
Even a reunified Ireland would need to have a unionist zone where people could still hold British passports and maintain their traditions. Even an independent Scotland would be heavily constrained by its need for a very close relationship with England, and limited influence within the EU.
The better solution is to allow all the identities to flourish in a system and model that respects them.
The UK mustn't make the same mistakes towards Scotland that the EU did towards the UK, for example.0 -
So you're saying you wouldn't have made the same choice. Sure, me to. But that's not the question.RobD said:
I don't see any issue with the replies, herd immunity is a desirable outcome. Quite why those responses justified a block is beyond me.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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Not completely, no, but we can eliminate it from general circulation and then stamp down hard on any outbreaks with test, trace and aggressive isolation. That should be achievable with the help of the vaccines, even if they don't quite push the unrestricted R below 1.rottenborough said:
We wont ever eliminate the virus as Whitty and co have said many times.Andy_JS said:
We'd pretty much done it without vaccines at the end of June, and could probably have avoided the second wave with closed borders and more careful reopening. Yes I know it was summer, and that obviously does play a role, but there are plenty of warmer countries with nasty Covid problems as well, so it was primarily the lockdown that had reduced cases that far.1 -
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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This is the great danger if we arrive at a situation where the virus is still burning through certain communities after it's calmed down everywhere else. The left-wing shit stirrers will scream racism. The right-wing shit stirrers will blame those communities for the fact that the virus hasn't been properly suppressed. The left-wing shit stirrers will use the remarks of the right-wing shit stirrers as proof that people in these communities are still dying in droves because of racism. And thus we get sucked down the culture wars plughole, which helps absolutely no-one.Endillion said:
They won't be evenly spread around, either. Heavily concentrated in very rich and very poor areas, would be my guess, with the emphasis firmly on the latter. I'm counting the days till Mr Khan and certain Labour Opposition frontbenchers are trying to blame the Government for the fact that the virus has been essentially eliminated other than in certain Labour-voting inner city areas.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
Fortunately there are many stories of local leaders in these areas helping by having the vaccines themselves to reassure people and offering premises as vaccination hubs, so hopefully that will be enough to turn this whole thing off before it gets properly started. We've enough problems to deal with, without the usual suspects mouthing off.3 -
Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.1 -
I wouldn't take such subsamples too seriously. Quite a bit of antivaxxing in Leicester.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
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Academic debate doesn't consist of blocking/ignoring people you disagree with.Mary_Batty said:
So you're saying you wouldn't have made the same choice. Sure, me to. But that's not the question.RobD said:
I don't see any issue with the replies, herd immunity is a desirable outcome. Quite why those responses justified a block is beyond me.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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Yes, what did happen to all these promised local vaccination places? Have they been put on hold until supply is better or has the centralising tendency triumphed and everything will be delivered via a smallish number of centres?stodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.1 -
It is, but usually it's better to listen to as wide a range of views as possible, unless they're totally ridiculous.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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The issue is what it says about someone's credentials as a professional/expert worth listening to, if their immediate response to a seemingly reasonable challenge is shut down the debate. Obviously no-one's querying their right to control their feed on a personal level.Mary_Batty said:
So you're saying you wouldn't have made the same choice. Sure, me to. But that's not the question.RobD said:
I don't see any issue with the replies, herd immunity is a desirable outcome. Quite why those responses justified a block is beyond me.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
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I think as with most things like this it is the perception that ends up mattering more than anything. For someone in that position to block someone for what seems like pretty innocuous challenges, well, it looks bad. Things that would be mere personal choice to avoid hassle looks more troublesome when someone holds a presitgious or influential position.RobD said:
Academic debate doesn't consist of blocking/ignoring people you disagree with.Mary_Batty said:
So you're saying you wouldn't have made the same choice. Sure, me to. But that's not the question.RobD said:
I don't see any issue with the replies, herd immunity is a desirable outcome. Quite why those responses justified a block is beyond me.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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Dave Spart says "injection is colonialism".Black_Rook said:
This is the great danger if we arrive at a situation where the virus is still burning through certain communities after it's calmed down everywhere else. The left-wing shit stirrers will scream racism. The right-wing shit stirrers will blame those communities for the fact that the virus hasn't been properly suppressed. The left-wing shit stirrers will use the remarks of the right-wing shit stirrers as proof that people in these communities are still dying in droves because of racism. And thus we get sucked down the culture wars plughole, which helps absolutely no-one.Endillion said:
They won't be evenly spread around, either. Heavily concentrated in very rich and very poor areas, would be my guess, with the emphasis firmly on the latter. I'm counting the days till Mr Khan and certain Labour Opposition frontbenchers are trying to blame the Government for the fact that the virus has been essentially eliminated other than in certain Labour-voting inner city areas.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
Fortunately there are many stories of local leaders in these areas helping by having the vaccines themselves to reassure people and offering premises as vaccination hubs, so hopefully that will be enough to turn this whole thing off before it gets properly started. We've enough problems to deal with, without the usual suspects mouthing off.
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If you like.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
In balance I would point out that Twitter is cesspit and people, women especially, have to put up with a lot that they shouldn't have to.
What looks like a hair-trigger overreaction in a couple of screenshots might actually be the culmination of a long and problematic pattern of behaviour. I don't know, and probably most on here don't either. We shouldn't moralise about people excluding themselves from certain conversations, they are the best judge of what they want.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Apologies if posted already. Pretty extraordinary, the UK government actually advising UK firms to move their operations to the EU, with ensuing loss of jobs, tax revenue etc.1 -
Or, more likely, it's a hair-trigger reaction for her being called out on the rubbish in her original tweet.Mary_Batty said:
If you like.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
In balance I would point out that Twitter is cesspit and people, women especially, have to put up with a lot that they shouldn't have to.
What looks like a hair-trigger overreaction in a couple of screenshots might actually be the culmination of a long and problematic pattern of behaviour. I don't know, and probably most on here don't either. We shouldn't moralise about people excluding themselves from certain conversations, they are the best judge of what they want.0 -
I have been listening from the beginningAndy_JS said:
I try to watch his update videos every day. He's been posting videos on C19 for about a year although I only discovered his channel a couple of weeks ago.Floater said:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMSeiNqOfjg
Always worth a listen
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How many GP surgeries are also vaccinating though? I'm working on the assumption that all our old crocs are going to the doctors' in town, not being made to drive or get on trains to Stevenage or Cambridge.stodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.
Might also be a function of being in London to begin with. Even with the pandemic there are plenty of public transport options in big cities, and no more so than in London, where travel for the crocs is also free. Different matter in the sticks.0 -
Localised approach here in Lancashire and 85% of over 80's vaccinated and already well on with the 75 plus cohort. Can't understand the obsession with mega-centres.rottenborough said:
Yes, what did happen to all these promised local vaccination places? Have they been put on hold until supply is better or has the centralising tendency triumphed and everything will be delivered via a smallish number of centres?stodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.0 -
That's a worthy thing to recommend someone do. But to judge it inappropriate that someone has opted out of hearing from a particular person is a big leap beyond that.Andy_JS said:
It is, but usually it's better to listen to as wide a range of views as possible, unless they're totally ridiculous.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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Possibly, but once again it's her choice.RobD said:
Or, more likely, it's a hair-trigger reaction for her being called out on the rubbish in her original tweet.Mary_Batty said:
If you like.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
In balance I would point out that Twitter is cesspit and people, women especially, have to put up with a lot that they shouldn't have to.
What looks like a hair-trigger overreaction in a couple of screenshots might actually be the culmination of a long and problematic pattern of behaviour. I don't know, and probably most on here don't either. We shouldn't moralise about people excluding themselves from certain conversations, they are the best judge of what they want.0 -
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.0 -
From the original article at https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/covid-19-herd-immunity-strategy-flawed-until-we-have-coronavirus-vaccine-professor-devi-sridhar-2981017:Andy_JS said:
It is, but usually it's better to listen to as wide a range of views as possible, unless they're totally ridiculous.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
So she clearly distinguishes between herd immunity the concept, including in the context of vaccines, and herd immunity the strategy of letting the virus run through the population.
The term ‘herd immunity’ keeps being raised during the Covid-19 pandemic. What does it mean? Herd immunity has been used as a vaccine strategy for diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella and means vaccinating the bulk of the population, thus preventing the ongoing transmission of these infectious diseases, and protecting the vulnerable (eg immuno-compromised) who cannot have the vaccine.
In the absence of a vaccine, it means having a certain percentage of the population contract the virus (50-80 per cent), develop antibodies or a T-cell response, and then have lasting protection from Sars-CoV-2 and not transmit it to others.
A herd-immunity strategy without a vaccine has been advocated as segmenting the population by age, and asking vulnerable/elderly groups to ‘shield’ while the virus runs through the young and healthy members of the group (‘the herd’).
And he then goes and accuses her of not knowing what herd immunity the concept means. I can see why she might reach for the block button after being patronised like that.2 -
BBC News - Covid: Number of patients on ventilators passes 4,000 for first time
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The logistics of the Pfizer vaccine mean that a mega-centre is a lot easier. Not such a problem for AZN/Oxford.partypoliticalorphan said:
Localised approach here in Lancashire and 85% of over 80's vaccinated and already well on with the 75 plus cohort. Can't understand the obsession with mega-centres.rottenborough said:
Yes, what did happen to all these promised local vaccination places? Have they been put on hold until supply is better or has the centralising tendency triumphed and everything will be delivered via a smallish number of centres?stodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.
There are lots of local vaccination centres. Hundreds and hundreds. There are only about 10-20 large ones.
And there are more being built all the time. The ramping up hasn't anywhere near finished.1 -
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More efficient.partypoliticalorphan said:
Localised approach here in Lancashire and 85% of over 80's vaccinated and already well on with the 75 plus cohort. Can't understand the obsession with mega-centres.rottenborough said:
Yes, what did happen to all these promised local vaccination places? Have they been put on hold until supply is better or has the centralising tendency triumphed and everything will be delivered via a smallish number of centres?stodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.
I'd say that both approaches probably have their place, though the big vaccination hubs will come more and more into their own as the vaccine program works its way down the age cohorts. Working age recipients will, on average, be far more mobile, more receptive to early and late appointments, and better able to put up with waits in long chilly queues outside large buildings than the crocs.0 -
Some encouraging news for Unionists in ST poll in that less than half of Scots want independence now including don't knows, more Northern Irish voters oppose a United Ireland than back it and the vast majority of English and Welsh voters wish to stay in the UK
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Nearly 500k/day and plan to go from ~20 hubs to 50 in the next couple of weeks...Flatlander said:
The logistics of the Pfizer vaccine mean that a mega-centre is a lot easier. Not such a problem for AZN/Oxford.partypoliticalorphan said:
Localised approach here in Lancashire and 85% of over 80's vaccinated and already well on with the 75 plus cohort. Can't understand the obsession with mega-centres.rottenborough said:
Yes, what did happen to all these promised local vaccination places? Have they been put on hold until supply is better or has the centralising tendency triumphed and everything will be delivered via a smallish number of centres?stodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.
There are lots of local vaccination centres. Hundreds and hundreds. There are only about 10-20 large ones.
And there are more being built all the time. The ramping up hasn't anywhere near finished.
Like Johnny 5....need moredatadoses....0 -
Who said it wasn't? People are questioning the optics of that choice.Mary_Batty said:
Possibly, but once again it's her choice.RobD said:
Or, more likely, it's a hair-trigger reaction for her being called out on the rubbish in her original tweet.Mary_Batty said:
If you like.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
In balance I would point out that Twitter is cesspit and people, women especially, have to put up with a lot that they shouldn't have to.
What looks like a hair-trigger overreaction in a couple of screenshots might actually be the culmination of a long and problematic pattern of behaviour. I don't know, and probably most on here don't either. We shouldn't moralise about people excluding themselves from certain conversations, they are the best judge of what they want.0 -
Sridhar has doubtless been somewhat politicised by guys with WATP in their twitter profile bellowing at her. I might be a bit over sensitive if some rando had e-mailed me with “Mind your own business >> Devi Sridhar << you ignorant fascist c***.”Mary_Batty said:
Possibly, but once again it's her choice.RobD said:
Or, more likely, it's a hair-trigger reaction for her being called out on the rubbish in her original tweet.Mary_Batty said:
If you like.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
In balance I would point out that Twitter is cesspit and people, women especially, have to put up with a lot that they shouldn't have to.
What looks like a hair-trigger overreaction in a couple of screenshots might actually be the culmination of a long and problematic pattern of behaviour. I don't know, and probably most on here don't either. We shouldn't moralise about people excluding themselves from certain conversations, they are the best judge of what they want.
https://tinyurl.com/y52sxfuk
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"How to do international trade after our barrier-free Brexit? Set up your company abroad". Sound advice from the Department for International Trade.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Apologies if posted already. Pretty extraordinary, the UK government actually advising UK firms to move their operations to the EU, with ensuing loss of jobs, tax revenue etc.3 -
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!
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@stodgestodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.
Across the Roding, here in Ilford (Redbridge), my Mum (70+) got a call from her surgery on Wednesday afternoon asking if she could attend to get her first jab the same evening (8.30). All done rather efficiently, Mum arrived and departed in less than 10 minutes. Next dose confirmed for April even while she was still on the phone that afternoon.3 -
People on twitter are awful. I'd advise professionals who for whatever reason it is felt should have an account never to read anything on it, only use it to post things. That way you also don't need to face arguments about blocking people for disagreeing with you.Theuniondivvie said:
Sridhar has doubtless been somewhat politicised by guys with WATP in their twitter profile bellowing at her. I might be a bit over sensitive if some rando had e-mailed me with “Mind your own business >> Devi SridharMary_Batty said:
Possibly, but once again it's her choice.RobD said:
Or, more likely, it's a hair-trigger reaction for her being called out on the rubbish in her original tweet.Mary_Batty said:
If you like.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
In balance I would point out that Twitter is cesspit and people, women especially, have to put up with a lot that they shouldn't have to.
What looks like a hair-trigger overreaction in a couple of screenshots might actually be the culmination of a long and problematic pattern of behaviour. I don't know, and probably most on here don't either. We shouldn't moralise about people excluding themselves from certain conversations, they are the best judge of what they want.0 -
The worst thing is, it is good advice. What a mess.RochdalePioneers said:
"How to do international trade after our barrier-free Brexit? Set up your company abroad". Sound advice from the Department for International Trade.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Apologies if posted already. Pretty extraordinary, the UK government actually advising UK firms to move their operations to the EU, with ensuing loss of jobs, tax revenue etc.1 -
Now you know when some people said Boris should get the vaccine to show the country it was safe.....
Spain’s defence chief resigned on Saturday, the armed forces said, after getting vaccinated despite not being on a priority list caused a row.
General Miguel Angel Villarroya’s resignation came as a scandal brews over Spanish military and political officials getting early vaccinations supposedly reserved for health workers and people in retirement homes.1 -
Encouraging, I think, that government officials are for the first time being realistic about the effects of Brexit, even if they are not keeping to the script. If you can do something to mitigate Brexit, you should and hopefully a bunch of businesses will survive the effects of Brexit as a result of doing so.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Apologies if posted already. Pretty extraordinary, the UK government actually advising UK firms to move their operations to the EU, with ensuing loss of jobs, tax revenue etc.0 -
Quite a masterstroke of humanitarian genius that keeps the xenophobes happy. It reduces the need for Johnny (Eastern European) Foreigner to work in the UK, by exporting him along with his job. Brilliant!RochdalePioneers said:
"How to do international trade after our barrier-free Brexit? Set up your company abroad". Sound advice from the Department for International Trade.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Apologies if posted already. Pretty extraordinary, the UK government actually advising UK firms to move their operations to the EU, with ensuing loss of jobs, tax revenue etc.0 -
Leon is definitely SeanT, isn’t he?Omnium said:
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!0 -
Malaysia I believe - the Thugees were followers of KaliOldKingCole said:
Wasn't that originally a somewhat 'eccentric' quasi religious group in India?Malmesbury said:
Another one to be careful of is "thug" - through usage it has become associated, in the US, with er.... pejorative, and inaccurate labelling of young black gentlemen.kle4 said:
Really? I thought it meant spy over there too, as in a CIA spook. Though IIRC the show Spooks was renamed to MI-5 for the american market.MarqueeMark said:
Don't use the word "spook" on American chat-rooms unless wearing flame-retardent clothing.TimT said:
TBH, I had no idea that anyone associated that term with racism. Can you be racist for using a term that you had no idea was racist?FrancisUrquhart said:BBC rejects race complaint about use of ‘nitty-gritty’
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-rejects-race-complaint-about-use-of-nitty-gritty-zmq96nzvq
But MOTD aren't allowed to use it.
Although I suppose that's just as bad!0 -
That would be quite the scandal. People may moan about priority lists and disagree about them - I wouldn't object to MPs for instance being relatively high priority for example, but others would - but to have a list and then jump it? I don't know what the Spanish press is like, but ours would go ballistic.FrancisUrquhart said:Now you know when some people said Boris should get the vaccine to show the country it was safe.....
Spain’s defence chief resigned on Saturday, the armed forces said, after getting vaccinated despite not being on a priority list caused a row.
General Miguel Angel Villarroya’s resignation came as a scandal brews over Spanish military and political officials getting early vaccinations supposedly reserved for health workers and people in retirement homes.0 -
they made it political.glw said:
The pandemic has amply demonstrated that a person can be eminent in their own field and yet surprisingly ignorant of things adjacent to it never mind far removed, and that now matter how smart and well educated you might be you can also still be a deeply stupid person in a whole load of other ways. The last year has been a real eye-opener.Sandpit said:
What the hell happened to scientists challenging and arguing with each other? It’s the whole basis of science - or at least it was, before science started to become political.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
we all get that.
just wish they would acknowledge it!0 -
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.0 -
Communication is more effective with a bit of interaction though. So I guess the skill is to scan past the nasty stuff without getting riled up.kle4 said:
People on twitter are awful. I'd advise professionals who for whatever reason it is felt should have an account never to read anything on it, only use it to post things. That way you also don't need to face arguments about blocking people for disagreeing with you.Theuniondivvie said:
Sridhar has doubtless been somewhat politicised by guys with WATP in their twitter profile bellowing at her. I might be a bit over sensitive if some rando had e-mailed me with “Mind your own business >> Devi SridharMary_Batty said:
Possibly, but once again it's her choice.RobD said:
Or, more likely, it's a hair-trigger reaction for her being called out on the rubbish in her original tweet.Mary_Batty said:
If you like.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Sure. But for a professional, it is NOT a good look, and thus probably a bad choice by (and for) her.Mary_Batty said:
Yes, of course it is. It's entirely her choice.Andy_JS said:
No.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
In balance I would point out that Twitter is cesspit and people, women especially, have to put up with a lot that they shouldn't have to.
What looks like a hair-trigger overreaction in a couple of screenshots might actually be the culmination of a long and problematic pattern of behaviour. I don't know, and probably most on here don't either. We shouldn't moralise about people excluding themselves from certain conversations, they are the best judge of what they want.0 -
Certainly things are looking to get worse in the Midlands, with pressure on ICU to surge further, by stretching staff thinner and press-ganging staff from other areas.FrancisUrquhart said:BBC News - Covid: Number of patients on ventilators passes 4,000 for first time
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55782716
The forecast is for 700 covid inpatients in my Trust by next weekend, so 3 times the first wave. People are looking rather worn out by it all.0 -
you spelled Ferguson wrong.williamglenn said:
For example Professor Gupta, who is an expert in theoretical epidemiology, but completely ignorant of practical epidemiology.glw said:
The pandemic has amply demonstrated that a person can be eminent in their own field and yet surprisingly ignorant of things adjacent to it never mind far removed, and that now matter how smart and well educated you might be you can also still be a deeply stupid person in a whole load of other ways. The last year has been a real eye-opener.Sandpit said:
What the hell happened to scientists challenging and arguing with each other? It’s the whole basis of science - or at least it was, before science started to become political.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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Yes, even going to somewhere like Essex or Kent is quite jarring for a Londoner.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.0 -
BUT how would the concept of an independent Northern Ireland - independent of both UK and ROI - poll?HYUFD said:Some encouraging news for Unionists in ST poll in that less than half of Scots want independence now including don't knows, more Northern Irish voters oppose a United Ireland than back it and the vast majority of English and Welsh voters wish to stay in the UK
https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1353044013776035840?s=20
Would be interesting to find out AND see the sub-samples on THAT.0 -
SeanT is definitely SeanT. He's perfectly capable of de-lurking. We may not notice for the first minute or so mindRazedabode said:
Leon is definitely SeanT, isn’t he?Omnium said:
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!
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Isn't going to Essex jarring for everybody who isn't from Essex?MaxPB said:
Yes, even going to somewhere like Essex or Kent is quite jarring for a Londoner.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.1 -
What people keep missing is that it is an "and" strategy.FrancisUrquhart said:
Nearly 500k/day and plan to go from ~20 hubs to 50 in the next couple of weeks...Flatlander said:
The logistics of the Pfizer vaccine mean that a mega-centre is a lot easier. Not such a problem for AZN/Oxford.partypoliticalorphan said:
Localised approach here in Lancashire and 85% of over 80's vaccinated and already well on with the 75 plus cohort. Can't understand the obsession with mega-centres.rottenborough said:
Yes, what did happen to all these promised local vaccination places? Have they been put on hold until supply is better or has the centralising tendency triumphed and everything will be delivered via a smallish number of centres?stodge said:Evening all
As I'm some way down the vaccination order, all I can offer from lowland East London is perception. Excel has opened as a mass vaccination centre and East Ham tube station has detailed instructions on how to get there via the DLR which is quite an easy journey.
I had hoped we would see more local facilities - the local Church Hall for example - but for now it seems we will all have to try to get to Excel.
There are lots of local vaccination centres. Hundreds and hundreds. There are only about 10-20 large ones.
And there are more being built all the time. The ramping up hasn't anywhere near finished.
Like Johnny 5....need moredatadoses....
Hospitals and GPs and mega centres and Boots and Tesco and churches and mosques and racetracks.......0 -
There is a good argument to put to the people of Scotland: don't allow the SNP to repeat for Scotland the kind of mess Tories imposed on the UK with Brexit. The Tories, and the Johnson government in particular, aren't in a good place to make that argument. Also the Johnson regime is very arrogant towards Scotland.Razedabode said:Panelbase polling on Scottish independence (DKs excluded):
Nov 2020 Yes 56% No 44%
Jan 2021 Yes 52% No 48%
I hadn’t realised the gap had shifted.
Probably winnable for unionists. Not sure how long for though - I can see a situation in the future where Scotland becomes 60% pro Indy in the future due to demographics
I still don’t understand why the Westminster gov doesn’t seriously look at constitutional change or reform. Hoping things hold isn’t working0 -
Refreshing having a TRUE American in the White House, as opposed to Putinist stooge (NOT to be confused with PB stodge).Floater said:0 -
I sat in on a two-hour "how to do trade" briefing by DiT officials in December. Other than explaining the "17 steps to send stuff to France" script, when people asked specific questions the answers were "we don't know that yet".Mexicanpete said:
Quite a masterstroke of humanitarian genius that keeps the xenophobes happy. It reduces the need for Johnny (Eastern European) Foreigner to work in the UK, by exporting him along with his job. Brilliant!RochdalePioneers said:
"How to do international trade after our barrier-free Brexit? Set up your company abroad". Sound advice from the Department for International Trade.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Apologies if posted already. Pretty extraordinary, the UK government actually advising UK firms to move their operations to the EU, with ensuing loss of jobs, tax revenue etc.
So its not a surprise that they are giving honest answers. There is no fix possible for so many businesses with the idiot deal we have signed. And as that epic FT report the other day suggested, Shagger had literally no idea how his vague "sovereignty" request would actually work in practice.1 -
Was I alone in mis-reading that as "theological epidemiology"?BannedinnParis said:
you spelled Ferguson wrong.williamglenn said:
For example Professor Gupta, who is an expert in theoretical epidemiology, but completely ignorant of practical epidemiology.glw said:
The pandemic has amply demonstrated that a person can be eminent in their own field and yet surprisingly ignorant of things adjacent to it never mind far removed, and that now matter how smart and well educated you might be you can also still be a deeply stupid person in a whole load of other ways. The last year has been a real eye-opener.Sandpit said:
What the hell happened to scientists challenging and arguing with each other? It’s the whole basis of science - or at least it was, before science started to become political.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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The worry is that if all the SeanT's de-lurk together, AWS may go down.Omnium said:
SeanT is definitely SeanT. He's perfectly capable of de-lurking. We may not notice for the first minute or so mindRazedabode said:
Leon is definitely SeanT, isn’t he?Omnium said:
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!2 -
Exactly the opposite - Leon is indefinitely SeanT.Razedabode said:
Leon is definitely SeanT, isn’t he?Omnium said:
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!3 -
fair play.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.
shame I can't ping them a pint0 -
There could be a PhD in that. A study to model the propagation of new beliefs.Malmesbury said:
Was I alone in mis-reading that as "theological epidemiology"?BannedinnParis said:
you spelled Ferguson wrong.williamglenn said:
For example Professor Gupta, who is an expert in theoretical epidemiology, but completely ignorant of practical epidemiology.glw said:
The pandemic has amply demonstrated that a person can be eminent in their own field and yet surprisingly ignorant of things adjacent to it never mind far removed, and that now matter how smart and well educated you might be you can also still be a deeply stupid person in a whole load of other ways. The last year has been a real eye-opener.Sandpit said:
What the hell happened to scientists challenging and arguing with each other? It’s the whole basis of science - or at least it was, before science started to become political.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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That would depend on where you are going. You would expect the typical resident of the Home Counties to be far more likely to be white, but only a few years older and probably thinner than the average Londoner. Obesity is strongly correlated with poverty.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.0 -
They can use QAnon as a case study.williamglenn said:
There could be a PhD in that. A study to model the propagation of new beliefs.Malmesbury said:
Was I alone in mis-reading that as "theological epidemiology"?BannedinnParis said:
you spelled Ferguson wrong.williamglenn said:
For example Professor Gupta, who is an expert in theoretical epidemiology, but completely ignorant of practical epidemiology.glw said:
The pandemic has amply demonstrated that a person can be eminent in their own field and yet surprisingly ignorant of things adjacent to it never mind far removed, and that now matter how smart and well educated you might be you can also still be a deeply stupid person in a whole load of other ways. The last year has been a real eye-opener.Sandpit said:
What the hell happened to scientists challenging and arguing with each other? It’s the whole basis of science - or at least it was, before science started to become political.CarlottaVance said:I'd missed this - is it appropriate for an "expert" to block other experts?
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My god, you're right. 'I'm the real SeanT' fights could spiral out of control.Malmesbury said:
The worry is that if all the SeanT's de-lurk together, AWS may go down.Omnium said:
SeanT is definitely SeanT. He's perfectly capable of de-lurking. We may not notice for the first minute or so mindRazedabode said:
Leon is definitely SeanT, isn’t he?Omnium said:
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!
Talking of Spartacus, I'm reading the recent historical work 'Black Spartacus' - I'm reading it slowly as it's hard work. Nonetheless I find it quite fascinating.0 -
I try to steer clear of the Home Counties if I can help it.Black_Rook said:
That would depend on where you are going. You would expect the typical resident of the Home Counties to be far more likely to be white, but only a few years older and probably thinner than the average Londoner. Obesity is strongly correlated with poverty.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.0 -
Yes, but the real fear is crossing the river. That's a complete no-no, except for going to Brighton for the day or attending the racing at Epsom.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't going to Essex jarring for everybody who isn't from Essex?MaxPB said:
Yes, even going to somewhere like Essex or Kent is quite jarring for a Londoner.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.1 -
Maybe it will be the sign of End Times......Omnium said:
My god, you're right. 'I'm the real SeanT' fights could spiral out of control.Malmesbury said:
The worry is that if all the SeanT's de-lurk together, AWS may go down.Omnium said:
SeanT is definitely SeanT. He's perfectly capable of de-lurking. We may not notice for the first minute or so mindRazedabode said:
Leon is definitely SeanT, isn’t he?Omnium said:
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!
Talking of Spartacus, I'm reading the recent historical work 'Black Spartacus' - I'm reading it slowly as it's hard work. Nonetheless I find it quite fascinating.
Below the thunders of the upper deep,
Far, far beneath in the abysmal sea,
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The SeanT sleepeth
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Until the latter fire shall heat the deep;
Then once by man and angels to be seen,
In roaring he shall rise....2 -
My reading was that he consciously didn't care.RochdalePioneers said:
I sat in on a two-hour "how to do trade" briefing by DiT officials in December. Other than explaining the "17 steps to send stuff to France" script, when people asked specific questions the answers were "we don't know that yet".Mexicanpete said:
Quite a masterstroke of humanitarian genius that keeps the xenophobes happy. It reduces the need for Johnny (Eastern European) Foreigner to work in the UK, by exporting him along with his job. Brilliant!RochdalePioneers said:
"How to do international trade after our barrier-free Brexit? Set up your company abroad". Sound advice from the Department for International Trade.OnlyLivingBoy said:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/23/brexit-hit-firms-advised-government-officials-set-up-shop-in-eu
Apologies if posted already. Pretty extraordinary, the UK government actually advising UK firms to move their operations to the EU, with ensuing loss of jobs, tax revenue etc.
So its not a surprise that they are giving honest answers. There is no fix possible for so many businesses with the idiot deal we have signed. And as that epic FT report the other day suggested, Shagger had literally no idea how his vague "sovereignty" request would actually work in practice.
In BoJo's head, it's better to have complete power over a small shrivelled thing, than share power over a larger, healthier thing.
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It's horses for courses, isn't it? There are places I like to visit (well, liked, anyway, before all this kicked off) in London, but no way on Earth would I want to have to live there.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I try to steer clear of the Home Counties if I can help it.Black_Rook said:
That would depend on where you are going. You would expect the typical resident of the Home Counties to be far more likely to be white, but only a few years older and probably thinner than the average Londoner. Obesity is strongly correlated with poverty.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.0 -
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Biden probably does think this, but what would his agenda be in saying so?williamglenn said:
Be that as it may, I think co-opting the EU and its member states into American foreign policy goals is high up Biden's agenda. He will want to join in with EU activity on climate change that has been neglected under Trump, will want to work with the EU on eg Iran and some of the French initiatives on the Middle East and Africa, will possibly see some opportunities of alignment on regulation while resisting other, and will want to strengthen EU resolve against China.
In earlier times, the UK would have been relied on to push the American interest in Europe. Now the UK's anti-Europeanism is problematic for the US. My guess is that Biden will try not to take sides, while favouring Europe/EU in any argument because that's where the US interest lies. The one-sided honest broker role is a position the US has taken in multiple international disputes; China in the 1940's, Iran in the 1970's, Israel/Palestine for most of their history. It never works.0 -
Heathrow airport directors need to be charged for negligence for this.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I've observed that South Londoners are totally fine working, shopping and socialising in North London, even as they claim that the South is somehow vastly superior. No one I know from North London ever goes beyond the South Bank if they can possibly avoid it.Peter_the_Punter said:
Yes, but the real fear is crossing the river. That's a complete no-no, except for going to Brighton for the day or attending the racing at Epsom.FrancisUrquhart said:
Isn't going to Essex jarring for everybody who isn't from Essex?MaxPB said:
Yes, even going to somewhere like Essex or Kent is quite jarring for a Londoner.OnlyLivingBoy said:
It's always striking when you leave London, people look a lot older, whiter and fatter than you're used to in the Smoke.Black_Rook said:
Might have something to do with it. A quick search comes up with this:OnlyLivingBoy said:
Younger population too. Young people less keen to have the jab.Andy_JS said:
Can only be explained by the higher EM population in London.FrankBooth said:Just saw a poll that suggested 3% of people in the East Midlands would be very unlikely to have the jab rising to 14% in London. Pause for thought.
London's population is comparatively young; the average (median) age in London is 35.6, compared to 40.3 in the UK overall. More than one in 10 people living in Inner London (11.4%) are aged between 30 and 34. This compares to just 6.3% of those in the rest of England.
A five year gap is actually larger than I'd expected or realised.0 -
Anyone fancy flying a drone over Heathrow?TheScreamingEagles said:
(this is a joke in case any spooks are reading)0 -
Despite holding office throughout the over 20 years of is existence, Devolution in Wales - and obviously Scotland - has actually proved a disaster for Labour. The party has lacked the pwers and resources to pursue its own agenda - yet finds it much more difficult than in the pre-Assembly era to pin the blame on a Tory Westminster Government for policy failures. Were I still a voter in Wales, I would vote for the Abolish The Welsh Assembly Party for the List Vote. Get rid of it!1
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PB used to have a couple of regular posters called Frank and Anti-Frank. They disappeared suddenly.Malmesbury said:
The worry is that if all the SeanT's de-lurk together, AWS may go down.Omnium said:
SeanT is definitely SeanT. He's perfectly capable of de-lurking. We may not notice for the first minute or so mindRazedabode said:
Leon is definitely SeanT, isn’t he?Omnium said:
Where's his prompt statement on the Express story!Floater said:
That poster the other day that de-lurked. Claimed not to be SeanT. Total cover for Biden, and yet, despite him not having so much to do now he's comfy in the Trump armchair he chooses to issue a statement concerning the wrong Boris!
The rumour is that one day they tried to post simultaneously with predictably catastrophic consequences.1 -
Don't knows don't count. You know that, you aren't stupid. So you are manipulating the data to make your side look good.HYUFD said:Some encouraging news for Unionists in ST poll in that less than half of Scots want independence now including don't knows, more Northern Irish voters oppose a United Ireland than back it and the vast majority of English and Welsh voters wish to stay in the UK
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It's an article by the express.FF43 said:
Biden probably does think this, but what would his agenda be in saying so?williamglenn said:
Be that as it may, I think co-opting the EU and its member states into American foreign policy goals is high up Biden's agenda. He will want to join in with EU activity on climate change that has been neglected under Trump, will want to work with the EU on eg Iran and some of the French initiatives on the Middle East and Africa, will possibly see some opportunities of alignment on regulation while resisting other, and will want to strengthen EU resolve against China.
In earlier times, the UK would have been relied on to push the American interest in Europe. Now the UK's anti-Europeanism is problematic for the US. My guess is that Biden will try not to take sides, while favouring Europe/EU in any argument because that's where the US interest lies. The one-sided honest broker role is a position the US has taken in multiple international disputes; China in the 1940's, Iran in the 1970's, Israel/Palestine for most of their history. It never works.1 -
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Malaysia? No, it was India,Charles said:
Malaysia I believe - the Thugees were followers of KaliOldKingCole said:
Wasn't that originally a somewhat 'eccentric' quasi religious group in India?Malmesbury said:
Another one to be careful of is "thug" - through usage it has become associated, in the US, with er.... pejorative, and inaccurate labelling of young black gentlemen.kle4 said:
Really? I thought it meant spy over there too, as in a CIA spook. Though IIRC the show Spooks was renamed to MI-5 for the american market.MarqueeMark said:
Don't use the word "spook" on American chat-rooms unless wearing flame-retardent clothing.TimT said:
TBH, I had no idea that anyone associated that term with racism. Can you be racist for using a term that you had no idea was racist?FrancisUrquhart said:BBC rejects race complaint about use of ‘nitty-gritty’
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-rejects-race-complaint-about-use-of-nitty-gritty-zmq96nzvq
But MOTD aren't allowed to use it.
Although I suppose that's just as bad!0 -
I'm ok with deploying the army to Heathrow (like in 2003) but giving them right to intern and/or shoot anyone who doesn't comply with the laws.tlg86 said:
Anyone fancy flying a drone over Heathrow?TheScreamingEagles said:
(this is a joke in case any spooks are reading)0
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