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  • kinabalu said:

    It wasn't sneakily changed with no audit trail. That would be simply unconscionable and merit the blog equivalent of Old Sparky. They did the old thing with a line through that's fairly common MO.

    Being just a touch precious here, BigG, for me.
    Not at all.

    It changes my post and its meaning

    If the change made was to be accurate it should have included all four nations all of whom allowed Christmas
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746

    i know its old school but maybe Gary player adheres to the sensible slogan of keep sport free from politics
    Sport is political. Gary Player is from South Africa. He should realise that more than most.

  • No way to "de-politicise" a Putsch. And no need to gather evidence, it's already been gathered.

    One thing that unites Americans across the political spectrum, is the way the Congress of the United States can spend endless hours and days and weeks and months and years and years and years doing . . . nothing much.

    No, the evidence hasn't been anything like gathered. There will almost certainly be emails, testimony from now-disgruntled ex-Trump officials, Parler posts, video evidence, etc, establishing in much more detail exactly what was going on and who knew what. There could well be a smoking gun directly implicating Trump in a much more specific and direct way than what we know so far, which is largely just his public statements. Bad though those were, I strongly suspect there's a lot more to come out, which will be much harder for Trump-sympathisers to ignore.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786
    HYUFD said:

    52% of Americans want Trump to be removed from office but 87% of Republicans do not want Trump removed from office


    https://twitter.com/QuinnipiacPoll/status/1348685491080597504?s=20

    Just glanced at that and thought you were posting some random QAnon tweet. Luckily not.
  • That one probably wouldn't have happened had you not whined about being very gently ribbed in the first place. Sort of like a Streisand effect.
    Anyway, No More Tears (Enough Is Enough), I shan't edit your posts again, Babs.
    Thank you
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited January 2021
    HYUFD said:

    52% of Americans want Trump to be removed from office but 87% of Republicans do not want Trump removed from office


    https://twitter.com/QuinnipiacPoll/status/1348685491080597504?s=20

    Well we know theat 52% is plenty.

    But that 87% is why the action needs to be quick. People will never be angrier than now. Give it a month, and no one will give a crap. Not for those powerbrokers on the fence (which may not be enough anyway).
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited January 2021
    HYUFD said:

    52% of Americans want Trump to be removed from office but 87% of Republicans do not want Trump removed from office


    https://twitter.com/QuinnipiacPoll/status/1348685491080597504?s=20


    And from Quinnipiac, who under sample Repubs like heck.

    That poll really does challenge to notion the Trumpists are a small minority of a group of people who would vote for the republicans anyway.

    It clearly is not the case.

    Anybody who wants to represent the Republicans going forward is going to have to address the base.
  • Nigelb said:

    Where do they find all those massive empty spaces, though ?

    Maltby. Most of South Yorkshire is a desolate wasteland. Indeed they have to tone it down otherwise no one would believe Australia looked that bad.
  • HYUFD said:
    I get the strong feeling that these lockdown pollings are exemplars of the form "I want these measures for THEM but not for me".
  • Not at all.

    It changes my post and its meaning

    If the change made was to be accurate it should have included all four nations all of whom allowed Christmas
    New rule: all satire must be politically balanced.
    Sheesh.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,235

    has anyone estimated the rates of vaccination per day since that first jab on the 8th. Think I could work back using the various numbers, both official and not, but was wondering if it had been done, well, anywhere?

    The average over the full period of 34 days would be 76k

    Given the rapid acceleration, that number is not especially meaningful.

    Why?
  • DougSeal said:

    Sport is political. Gary Player is from South Africa. He should realise that more than most.
    well dont agree and never will
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,818
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm 40 in June, where does that leave me ?
    If you're like me - shit faced in a bar in Crete and pretending to still be a force to be reckoned with.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,697
    BBC discussing #BozoBikeGate
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,746
    kle4 said:

    Well we know theat 52% is plenty.

    But that 87% is why the action needs to be quick. People will never be angrier than now. Give it a month, and no one will give a crap. Not for those powerbrokers on the fence (which may not be enough anyway).
    Depends what comes out of the current investigations. If there is something found directly linking Trump Org or the Orange Man himself with 6 January then things may be kept nicely simmering.
  • Pulpstar said:

    I'm 40 in June, where does that leave me ?
    you have to stay 39 so not to mess up the plan
  • i know its old school but maybe Gary player adheres to the sensible slogan of keep sport free from politics
    Sorry, but that's total BS. Player certainly had no qualms about helping prop up apartheid when it was in ascendency. Then making a big deal about opposing it when it was on the downslide.

    Free from politics? Really? Pure pigshit - just like Player's buddy Trumpsky.

    From Wiki page on Gary Player::

    "Views on apartheid
    In 1966, he espoused support for the apartheid policies of Hendrik Verwoerd in his book Grand Slam Golf, stating: "I must say now, and clearly, that I am of the South Africa of Verwoerd and apartheid ... a nation which ... is the product of its instinct and ability to maintain civilised values and standards amongst the alien barbarians. The African may well believe in witchcraft and primitive magic, practise ritual murder and polygamy; his wealth is in cattle". Activists publicly demonstrated against Player's espousal of apartheid, including protesting against Player at the 1969 PGA Championship. . . .

    However, in a 1987 interview with The Los Angeles Times, Player disavowed the system of apartheid, stating, "We have a terrible system in apartheid...it's almost a cancerous disease. I'm happy to say it's being eliminated....we've got to get rid of this apartheid."[40] In an interview with Graham Bensinger, Player discussed his early support for apartheid stating that the South African Government had "pulled the wool over our eyes" and that the people were "brainwashed" into supporting these policies."
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited January 2021
    As far as I can tell vaccinations haven't even started at all in my local area of East Sussex, despite the fact that we have lots of elderly residents here. (In our local newsagent there is a good choice of birthday cards for 100-year olds!)

  • And from Quinnipiac, who under sample Repubs like heck.

    That poll really does challenge to notion the Trumpists are a small minority of a group of people who would vote for the republicans anyway.

    It clearly is not the case.

    Anybody who wants to represent the Republicans going forward is going to have to address the base.
    Or it's time for Republicans to exercise leadership, and to tell hard truths to the base - that the election was lost rather than stolen, that this was an attempted coup rather than youthful high spirits, and that Trump is a dangerous liar and wannabee Mussolini.

    The reason why we've got to the situation where you get extraordinary percentage of Republican voters agreeing with all this utter bullsh1t is that Republican leaders have been scared to challenge Trump - they've allowed themselves to be both complicit and bullied. Time for more than just Romney and a couple of others to cut the ties and lead.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279


    Seems pretty confident about hitting the "14m by 14 Feb" Valentine's Day Target.

    We'll see.
    Correct me if i`m wrong but I think the government has said that the aspiration is based on the total INVITED to have a vaccination. If true, this more or less ensures that it will be reached one way or another (recall Hancock in the spring ahem).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235

    There's no committee stage; witnesses and evidence can be presented, but straight to the full senate hearing, presided over (phew, says Pence) by the chief justice of the supreme court.
    John Roberts, another MAGA favourite at the moment
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    kle4 said:

    How has Senator Whitehouse never been a presidential candidate? Send Whitehouse to the White House? The story writes itself.

    Honestly, do people just not believe in nominative determinism anymore?
    Indeed. Perdue ignored it and look how that turned out for him.

  • And from Quinnipiac, who under sample Repubs like heck.

    That poll really does challenge to notion the Trumpists are a small minority of a group of people who would vote for the republicans anyway.

    It clearly is not the case.

    Anybody who wants to represent the Republicans going forward is going to have to address the base.
    You are assuming polling numbers are static, carved in stone.

    Wait for it.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    People for Whom YBarddCwsc Has Zero Sympathy, Vol 67, page 8.

    https://tinyurl.com/y4cdk694

    An 80-year-old man staying in his second home in Rhyl says he was told he cannot register with a local GP practice to receive the Covid vaccine.

    ... a second home in Rhyl ... 😳

    The most deprived town in North Wales, patrolled by feral Scouse drug gangs and criminals.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,818

    Oh, what I wouldn't give to be shitfacred in a bar in Crete.

    I'd even go with you mate. Sure, we'd argue ferociously over politics whilst battered but we'd still have a laugh.
    :smile: - Be fine if we stay off "Legacy of Empire".
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133
    Scott_xP said:
    33% approval after having attempted a violent coup to overturn an election is still pretty remarkable. And appalling.
  • Pulpstar said:

    John Roberts, another MAGA favourite at the moment
    Am rather surprised that CJSCOTUS has NOT (yet) publicly commented on the actions of his protege, US Sen. Josh "Bloody Hands" Hawley, his former LAW CLERK.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    kinabalu said:

    :smile: - Be fine if we stay off "Legacy of Empire".
    The Minoan Empire?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133

    BBC discussing #BozoBikeGate

    Interpretation seems to be you can walk or cycle as far as you like as long as you start and finish at home
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,379
    edited January 2021
    @Philip_Thompson another point is that whilst we have strong views (quite rightly) today on what is absolutely correct from a moral and ethical perspective we are less good at understanding why certain historical events took place because we struggle to understand the context of the time.

    In the absence of a rules-based international order, for example, imperialism (either formal or informal) was one of the only ways you could protect and develop global trading networks.

    Similarly, when real politics was the same as the monarch (absolute rulers at the time) it led to a lot of wars and executions because in the case of a bad ruler the hereditary principle could ultimately be overcome in only one way. And the same needed to be overcome for very ambitious men.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Stocky said:

    Correct me if i`m wrong but I think the government has said that the aspiration is based on the total INVITED to have a vaccination. If true, this more or less ensures that it will be reached one way or another (recall Hancock in the spring ahem).
    If that is indeed the target, then it's a rubbish target.

    So you are probably right.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,818

    Sorry, but that's total BS. Player certainly had no qualms about helping prop up apartheid when it was in ascendency. Then making a big deal about opposing it when it was on the downslide.

    Free from politics? Really? Pure pigshit - just like Player's buddy Trumpsky.

    From Wiki page on Gary Player::

    "Views on apartheid
    In 1966, he espoused support for the apartheid policies of Hendrik Verwoerd in his book Grand Slam Golf, stating: "I must say now, and clearly, that I am of the South Africa of Verwoerd and apartheid ... a nation which ... is the product of its instinct and ability to maintain civilised values and standards amongst the alien barbarians. The African may well believe in witchcraft and primitive magic, practise ritual murder and polygamy; his wealth is in cattle". Activists publicly demonstrated against Player's espousal of apartheid, including protesting against Player at the 1969 PGA Championship. . . .

    However, in a 1987 interview with The Los Angeles Times, Player disavowed the system of apartheid, stating, "We have a terrible system in apartheid...it's almost a cancerous disease. I'm happy to say it's being eliminated....we've got to get rid of this apartheid."[40] In an interview with Graham Bensinger, Player discussed his early support for apartheid stating that the South African Government had "pulled the wool over our eyes" and that the people were "brainwashed" into supporting these policies."
    What with him, and plus "Jack" facebooking for Trump, the reputation of the Big 3 is taking a real dive. Let's hope "Arnie" (rip) doesn't say anything stupid from beyond the grave.
  • IanB2 said:

    33% approval after having attempted a violent coup to overturn an election is still pretty remarkable. And appalling.
    Isn't it just - truly dreadful and I really fear for the US
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,379
    kinabalu said:

    :smile: - Be fine if we stay off "Legacy of Empire".
    I would find that difficult 😉
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    I have long objected to posters comments being edited by other posters

    If we all started to do that the site's integrity would be impacted
    There are people here who edit their own posts AFTER others have picked them up on their statements, mbut without making it clear.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,677

    I get the strong feeling that these lockdown pollings are exemplars of the form "I want these measures for THEM but not for me".
    Don't think so. 14% opposed to the restrictions feels about right as the proportion who are bending the rules. Most people I know are being more restrictive than ever, refusing to meet even close relatives and in some cases terminating bubble arrangements.

    But I do get reports of continuing uncertainty over what's allowed, what's legal but undesirable and what's illegal. The uncertainty about how far you can go for a walk is a good example, but also small shops are complaining that big stores that are allowed to remain open because they provide esssential goods are enthusiastically selling non-essential goods that otherwise the small shops might have supplied. Sainsbury etc. sell pretty much everything even though it's only the food, medicine and, bizarrely, flowers that are supposed to be essential.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,133
    edited January 2021

    No, the evidence hasn't been anything like gathered. There will almost certainly be emails, testimony from now-disgruntled ex-Trump officials, Parler posts, video evidence, etc, establishing in much more detail exactly what was going on and who knew what. There could well be a smoking gun directly implicating Trump in a much more specific and direct way than what we know so far, which is largely just his public statements. Bad though those were, I strongly suspect there's a lot more to come out, which will be much harder for Trump-sympathisers to ignore.
    CNN said earlier that some of the 'amateur' protestors (my phrase) arrested are already talking.

    While I guess they'll have to hand out sentences to the prominent ones whose selfies went around the world, there'll be a fair few who committed an offence by following the crowd into the Capitol but did little else. If they saw and heard useful stuff and are willing to spill it to the Feds - and perhaps even testify in due course - then I am sure that there will be deals to be done. There isn't much purpose in filling the prisons with tons of these amateurs; the focus should be on locking away those who planned or executed the violence.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    Carnyx said:

    There are people here who edit their own posts AFTER others have picked them up on their statements, mbut without making it clear.
    Well that`s not on either.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782

    No way to "de-politicise" a Putsch. And no need to gather evidence, it's already been gathered.

    One thing that unites Americans across the political spectrum, is the way the Congress of the United States can spend endless hours and days and weeks and months and years and years and years doing . . . nothing much.
    I tend to agree with you on this.
    However, there are odd things which ought to take priority - for example the confirmation of a new Attorney General.

    And it's not entirely true to say there's no evidence to gather. Subpoenas for the White House phone logs for the day in question might be very instructive, for example.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,508


    People for Whom YBarddCwsc Has Zero Sympathy, Vol 67, page 8.

    https://tinyurl.com/y4cdk694

    An 80-year-old man staying in his second home in Rhyl says he was told he cannot register with a local GP practice to receive the Covid vaccine.

    ... a second home in Rhyl ... 😳

    The most deprived town in North Wales, patrolled by feral Scouse drug gangs and criminals.

    As a child we had summer hols in a caravan in Rhyl, and Abergele, very grim....
  • @Philip_Thompson another point is that whilst we have strong views (quite rightly) today on what is absolutely correct from a moral and ethical perspective we are less good at understanding why certain historical events took place because we struggle to understand the context of the time.

    In the absence of a rules-based international order, for example, imperialism (either formal or informal) was one of the only ways you could protect and develop global trading networks.

    Similarly, when real politics was the same as the monarch (absolute rulers at the time) it led to a lot of wars and executions because in the case of a bad ruler the hereditary principle could ultimately be overcome in only one way. And the same needed to be overcome for very ambitious men.

    Interesting to post. I wonder what people think about those who today seek a reduction in the "rules based international order"...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782

    Maltby. Most of South Yorkshire is a desolate wasteland. Indeed they have to tone it down otherwise no one would believe Australia looked that bad.
    Have to be bloody patient waiting for those cloudless days, though.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Good post. Thinking back to my education my history teacher emphasised sources (giving two very convincing but rather contrary pictures) and asking you to use them to argue your case.

    I also had two politics teacher. One was an old school Labour supporter. A Scottish lady in her late 40s. The other was a one-nation wet pro-European Tory. An English man in his early 30s.

    They didn't once thrust their views or opinions down my throat, but encouraged and supported me. We had debates, sure, but they were always respectful and about exploring different points of view.

    I am grateful to them both, and I still have very fond memories of them both.

    No-one forgets a good teacher.
    My best ever teacher was my economics master, a Thatcherite free-marketeer who made a great show of the fact that he was pretty much the only Tory in the NUT. Had some great debates with him, and he was a very fair guy. A fair marker too – even, perhaps especially, when you disagreed with him.

    By contrast, my hardcore leftie English master was the worst teacher I had.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Isn't it just - truly dreadful and I really fear for the US

    It will wither away, in time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,235

    The Minoan Empire?
    {Albanian Taxi Driver enters the chat}

    "I 'ad that King Minos in the back of 'chariot, yesterday. Proper gent. We could do with his like - sort those youths out. Good for nothings. Running around... I'd give 'em running around... chased round a labrinyth by a a mythical monster, more like. It would teach 'em sumfink proper, that would..."
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    As a child we had summer hols in a caravan in Rhyl, and Abergele, very grim....
    I've only ever heard of the latter as the site of a train disaster!
  • Don't think so. 14% opposed to the restrictions feels about right as the proportion who are bending the rules. Most people I know are being more restrictive than ever, refusing to meet even close relatives and in some cases terminating bubble arrangements.

    But I do get reports of continuing uncertainty over what's allowed, what's legal but undesirable and what's illegal. The uncertainty about how far you can go for a walk is a good example, but also small shops are complaining that big stores that are allowed to remain open because they provide esssential goods are enthusiastically selling non-essential goods that otherwise the small shops might have supplied. Sainsbury etc. sell pretty much everything even though it's only the food, medicine and, bizarrely, flowers that are supposed to be essential.
    you seem to only deal with people who want the government to tell them what to do all the time .
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191

    I do wish the government, and several on here, would cease the embarrassing, shouty triumphalism about how much better our vaccination roll-out is than the rest of Europe. It shouldn't be a competition. A quiet pride in our achievements so far would be more dignified.

    Any anyway, it's early days for triumphalism. It's reminiscent of many football tournaments that we've entered with high hope of English success, only to find out in the long-term that we lose, with Germany usually winning (even if on penalties).

    Christ if there are penalties in this race we have no chance.
  • As a child we had summer hols in a caravan in Rhyl, and Abergele, very grim....
    My family live in Abergele and while the town is shabby, there are parts of Abergele that are really nice and of course it is now on 'Celebrity' fans must visit list following the recent series
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,235


    It will wither away, in time.
    It takes time for whale shit to find the bottom of the Marianas Trench.....
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,924
    MaxPB said:

    Very slow ramp up, implies around 20-25 people doing the jabs. How is it not at least 150 per centre?
    The vaccine centre I went to was doing 1000 / day (Pfizer, so they had to). There was a single person with the needle. Presumably they didn't do a full 8.5 hour shift but swapped over with someone else at some point.

    So 2600 / day only needs 3 people injecting at a time.
  • Isn't it just - truly dreadful and I really fear for the US
    Luckily we're smarter in this country. We would never countenance keeping a man around who repeatedly attacked the courts, the parliament, the media. Who kept advisers and cabinet members on because of their loyalty despite incompetence and serious misconduct.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Don't think so. 14% opposed to the restrictions feels about right as the proportion who are bending the rules. Most people I know are being more restrictive than ever, refusing to meet even close relatives and in some cases terminating bubble arrangements.

    But I do get reports of continuing uncertainty over what's allowed, what's legal but undesirable and what's illegal. The uncertainty about how far you can go for a walk is a good example, but also small shops are complaining that big stores that are allowed to remain open because they provide esssential goods are enthusiastically selling non-essential goods that otherwise the small shops might have supplied. Sainsbury etc. sell pretty much everything even though it's only the food, medicine and, bizarrely, flowers that are supposed to be essential.
    I have bought three novels from Sainsbury's in recent weeks because bookstores are forcibly closed.

    The amount of occasions I have purchased reading books in a supermarket before this shitshow is precisely zero.

    Massive distortive intervention in the market by government.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    kinabalu said:

    What with him, and plus "Jack" facebooking for Trump, the reputation of the Big 3 is taking a real dive. Let's hope "Arnie" (rip) doesn't say anything stupid from beyond the grave.

    Nah, Arnie is alive, kicking, and on the side of the angels.. :smile:
    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1348578267972960257
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    IanB2 said:

    33% approval after having attempted a violent coup to overturn an election is still pretty remarkable. And appalling.
    It's staggering. Maybe if he just started shooting the people around him at random we could get below 25%?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    It takes time for whale shit to find the bottom of the Marianas Trench.....
    That's a depressing thought, given that whale shite is liquid! Spot on with dead whales, though.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,188
    Carnyx said:

    I've only ever heard of the latter as the site of a train disaster!
    My mother grew up in Rhyl. We go back occasionally, as some family still live there. Never the most glam place in the world, the loss of the seaside tourism trade has hit very hard.

    Still, I remember going from Rhyl to Denbigh and thinking we'd gone back in time about 20 years....
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,786

    Indeed. Perdue ignored it and look how that turned out for him.
    Should have changed his name to Gagneur (I expect you to correct me).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    DavidL said:

    It's staggering. Maybe if he just started shooting the people around him at random we could get below 25%?
    If it were at random, it would reduce the pro and antis proportionally, though...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,379

    My best ever teacher was my economics master, a Thatcherite free-marketeer who made a great show of the fact that he was pretty much the only Tory in the NUT. Had some great debates with him, and he was a very fair guy. A fair marker too – even, perhaps especially, when you disagreed with him.

    By contrast, my hardcore leftie English master was the worst teacher I had.
    At the end of the day it's not a job of a teacher to impose their views on you or indoctrinate you with them.

    I fear some forget that today. But most don't.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited January 2021
    IanB2 said:

    33% approval after having attempted a violent coup to overturn an election is still pretty remarkable. And appalling.
    33 having an interesting historical resonance in this case.
  • IanB2 said:


    CNN said earlier that some of the 'amateur' protestors (my phrase) arrested are already talking.

    While I guess they'll have to hand out sentences to the prominent ones whose selfies went around the world, there'll be a fair few who committed an offence by following the crowd into the Capitol but did little else. If they saw and heard useful stuff and are willing to spill it to the Feds - and perhaps even testify in due course - then I am sure that there will be deals to be done. There isn't much purpose in filling the prisons with tons of these amateurs; the focus should be on locking away those who planned or executed the violence.

    Yes, exactly right. In that mob there will have been some hangers-on just there for a bit of a lark, like students staging a sit-in (those were the ones posting selfies of themselves), some who were seriously but incoherently trying to 'stop the steal' and who, having got into the building, didn't seem to know what to do and just ambled about, and some who were more specifically trying to intimidate, injure and probably kill, and who may have been quite organised and who knew exactly what they were trying to do. That's how mobs tend to be, with the first two categories easily getting carried away with the heady descent into serious violence. It's the last category which, together with Trump himself, are the real danger for the future.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,328
    Carnyx said:

    There are people here who edit their own posts AFTER others have picked them up on their statements, mbut without making it clear.
    I edit most of my posts.

    Not checking for rogue apostrophes (quite rightly a PB cardinal sin) kindly added by my Chinese phone's spellchecker, demands a swift edit to avoid being strung up by the PB Apostrophe Stasi.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,741

    Luckily we're smarter in this country. We would never countenance keeping a man around who repeatedly attacked the courts, the parliament, the media. Who kept advisers and cabinet members on because of their loyalty despite incompetence and serious misconduct.
    Nor elect someone to be PM having sold to us a deal that he had neither fully read nor understood.
  • On topic, I do take a slightly Darwinian view at this point, but that may change later in the year. If someone in a high risk group chooses not to take up the offer to book an appointment, that's their stupidly and mainly (for now) their problem. Just move on to the next in line.

    I appreciate it isn't entirely the case that it's the person's own look-out as a vulnerable person is more likely to require care so it's better for the NHS if an 85 year old is jabbed earlier in preference to a 70 year old. However, it does seem to me it's all about vaccines in arms at this point and, if 10-20% don't want to do it, don't waste resource on them.

    That balance does change as we move towards full vaccination and the hold-outs are the long tail causing a problem. But it feels like a problem for Q4 rather than now.

    On travel and so on, I am a bit surprised some kind of certificate isn't being issued as a matter of course. It would not shock me if other countries were asking for proof of vaccination later in the year, and it seems to make sense to pre-empt that.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    Carnyx said:

    That's a depressing thought, given that whale shite is liquid! Spot on with dead whales, though.
    The things you learn on this site.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,379
    English Kings going on chevauchée around northern France also made sense in the political context of the times too.

    But it also kind of makes sense today..
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,772
    MaxPB said:

    1.3m additional jabs since last week, still too slow and hopefully this week we will see the end of second jabs entirely as no additional appointments should have been booked, 2.6m people getting their first jab would be a lot better than 2.3m with 0.3m having had two.
    I know someone getting a second jab tomorrow.

    It was due to be today - but now changed to tomorrow.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    Nigelb said:


    Nah, Arnie is alive, kicking, and on the side of the angels.. :smile:
    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1348578267972960257
    That is just brilliant.
  • Politico.com
    Biden dresses down his Covid team over plans to speed vaccinations
    The president-elect has criticized his Covid coordinator on multiple occasions in front of groups of transition officials.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/11/biden-coronavirus-vaccine-goal-problems-457245
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    Stocky said:

    The things you learn on this site.
    Didn't we have an extended discussion of the size of a Blue Whale rectum in relation to Trump, the other day ?
    I believe that's when the non solid nature of whale excreta came up.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    Nigelb said:

    Didn't we have an extended discussion of the size of a Blue Whale rectum in relation to Trump, the other day ?
    I believe that's when the non solid nature of whale excreta came up.
    I must have skipped by that bit.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    Nigelb said:

    Didn't we have an extended discussion of the size of a Blue Whale rectum in relation to Trump, the other day ?
    I believe that's when the non solid nature of whale excreta came up.
    I missed that!
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,508

    My family live in Abergele and while the town is shabby, there are parts of Abergele that are really nice and of course it is now on 'Celebrity' fans must visit list following the recent series
    perhaps I was a little harsh, we never ventured out of the holiday camp and beach really.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,328

    Luckily we're smarter in this country. We would never countenance keeping a man around who repeatedly attacked the courts, the parliament, the media. Who kept advisers and cabinet members on because of their loyalty despite incompetence and serious misconduct.
    ...but he did invent three Coronavirus vaccines and was busy administering the vaccine to grateful voters in Bristol today.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782

    I edit most of my posts.

    Not checking for rogue apostrophes (quite rightly a PB cardinal sin) kindly added by my Chinese phone's spellchecker, demands a swift edit to avoid being strung up by the PB Apostrophe Stasi.
    If they made "its" without the apostrophe the autocorrect default, it would save a great deal of time.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,281
    edited January 2021
    Thanks for an interesting header. I suspect vaccination certificates will be needed for travel and some occupations. IIt has long been a requirement that I am vaccinated for Hep B for example, so there is legal precedent.

    I think though that uptake of the vaccine will probably not be much above the 70% of vulnerables who get the flu vaccine. Participation in breast, bowel, and cervical screening runs at similar 70%ish figures.

    It is easy for middle class people to assume that others prioritise health issues the same as themselves.

    Not all the rest will be anti vaxxers, some will just be slothful, some suspicious of all officialdom, and some will reckon that they are immune by reason of past infection, real or imagined.

    So I suspect that we will be living with Covid-19 for a while.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,279
    DavidL said:

    That is just brilliant.
    Yes it is. I watched it yesterday. He`s a bit up himself but it IS Arnie, so ...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    I edit most of my posts.

    Not checking for rogue apostrophes (quite rightly a PB cardinal sin) kindly added by my Chinese phone's spellchecker, demands a swift edit to avoid being strung up by the PB Apostrophe Stasi.
    That's fair enough - I was moaning about very substantial changes of meaning.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,782
    Carnyx said:

    I missed that!
    The data is somewhat limited, for obvious reasons, but the consensus is somewhere around grapefruit size.
    Which more or less killed a nascent meme.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    perhaps I was a little harsh, we never ventured out of the holiday camp and beach really.
    The barbed wire a bit hard on the plimsolls?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191
    Stocky said:

    I must have skipped by that bit.
    I think it was Mitch McConnell. A completely different arse.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,328

    It takes time for whale shit to find the bottom of the Marianas Trench.....
    I think you are being most disingenuous to...whale excrement!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,191

    I edit most of my posts.

    Not checking for rogue apostrophes (quite rightly a PB cardinal sin) kindly added by my Chinese phone's spellchecker, demands a swift edit to avoid being strung up by the PB Apostrophe Stasi.
    My most frequent fault, of many, is forgetting the second comma in a subordinate clause, something which as a lawyer I use far too often. I frequently wince when I see the post and go back to change this.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Should have changed his name to Gagneur (I expect you to correct me).
    Looks fine to me! Not that I have any particular claim to expertise in French.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,281

    My best ever teacher was my economics master, a Thatcherite free-marketeer who made a great show of the fact that he was pretty much the only Tory in the NUT. Had some great debates with him, and he was a very fair guy. A fair marker too – even, perhaps especially, when you disagreed with him.

    By contrast, my hardcore leftie English master was the worst teacher I had.
    I have no idea what the politics of any of my teachers was, or more recently of Fox jrs teachers.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,724

    *Blushes*

    LOL
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited January 2021
    Foxy said:

    I have no idea what the politics of any of my teachers was, or more recently of Fox jrs teachers.
    I believe communist indoctrination is required to graduate from teacher's school now, I read it on the internet.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    Who has changed the thread header??

    I am sure it was originally "BigG - Ribbing the unribbable"

    Ribbing- good-natured teasing.
    "he took a good deal of ribbing with the utmost good humour" (not)
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