Jabbing the Unjabbable (or, for the less polite, Pricking the Pricks) – politicalbetting.com
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Odd, you seem to be fervently against democracy in the USA.contrarian said:
After today's MSP defection from the tories to the Reform Party, you can sense tory appetite for more draconian measures diminishing. Imagine if defections started happening in England too!! Even at grassroots level, with councillors.Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Its almost like they suddenly woke up and found themselves in a democracy.
One day, they'll wish they weren't.2 -
No, I think they do. I`d just like them to be explicit and get it drilled into the public now that liberties will be restored, financial support will be largely curtailed and the vaccines will not completely eradicate all risk.contrarian said:
The fact they can't surely only shows they don;t have that much confidence in the vaccine as a way out.Stocky said:
Tories need to make the exit route clear.contrarian said:
Some tory MPs already getting v.v. nervous. Reform Party rolling out great barrington. First defection. Rishi sounding utterlt miserable on the economy.Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down0 -
What a shame.IanB2 said:Trump expected to make a statement later
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Yep - it would be far easier to create the database / certificates now for them never to be needed than to try and issue them afterwards.Stocky said:
I think there will be considerable resistance in government to the idea. But my worry, Andy, is that our government neglects to do it, time passes, and we discover that out freedoms to visit other countries have been curtailed. Then the government, belatedly seeing the way the wind is blowing, is forced to play catch-up and runs round spending oodles trying to fix a problem that it could have easily anticipated.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
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Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.4
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What makes you think 2m makes your chances are about nil?Leon said:
All I do is walk alongside a friend at 2m distance. Staring ahead. I don't go near anyone. It keeps me sane. And the chances of my infecting someone, or catching something, are about nilLuckyguy1983 said:
It seems rather desperate. Do we have evidence that people obeying the rules outdoors is contributing significantly? Seems more likely to me that outbreaks are caused by people who break the rules (then give it to the rest of their family).Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Now they take it away?0 -
Is that another "joke" because I said the exact opposite! 🙄RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
I always said there would be disruption in January as people get used to the new paperwork, but there would be an incentive for businesses to get their paperwork in order to make it as smooth as possible. 🙄0 -
I very much hope they don't. Only yesterday I had a walk with an old friend who messaged me - we both needed it after a week to ourselves!Leon said:
All I do is walk alongside a friend at 2m distance. Staring ahead. I don't go near anyone. It keeps me sane. And the chances of my infecting someone, or catching something, are about nilLuckyguy1983 said:
It seems rather desperate. Do we have evidence that people obeying the rules outdoors is contributing significantly? Seems more likely to me that outbreaks are caused by people who break the rules (then give it to the rest of their family).Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Now they take it away?
However, I can see the thinking. It is an exemption that didn't exist last March. Everyone is demanding 'do something' to feel safer, despite us being only 6 days into a lockdown.
I've been quite surprised at public patience and tolerance for risk, or rather, lack of both, recently.1 -
That's another 5 headers on PB we can expect then.WhisperingOracle said:
What a shame.IanB2 said:Trump expected to make a statement later
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Your doctor should have a record. They can then charge for certs like they would if you wanted the jabs for africa or otherwise.eek said:
Yep - it would be far easier to create the database / certificates now for them never to be needed than to try and issue them afterwards.Stocky said:
I think there will be considerable resistance in government to the idea. But my worry, Andy, is that our government neglects to do it, time passes, and we discover that out freedoms to visit other countries have been curtailed. Then the government, belatedly seeing the way the wind is blowing, is forced to play catch-up and runs round spending oodles trying to fix a problem that it could have easily anticipated.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
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I find the focus on the minutae of the "rules" for individuals rather misplaced. They won't be policed so it remains, as it always has been, a matter of personal judgment. Fact is, this pandemic, over the next few weeks, is going to cripple the Health Service whatever we do. The theme is constant underestimation.Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
So for me, forget about the law, there is a moral duty to the greater community to minimize contact with other people. Do not go in the proximity of others unless you have to. If everyone sticks to that the carnage will be best case (which is bad) rather than worst case (which is terrible).
And it's money where my mouth is. I'm not going out (bar essential shopping) and I wouldn't be even if the rules say I could. Conversely if I felt I had to go out and exercise and/or meet a friend in order to ward off serious depression, I would do so even if the rules said I couldn't.
I think we need a big address from Johnson along these lines. Emphasizing the moral duty and barely mentioning the law.4 -
The man makes good copy, he always did.Luckyguy1983 said:
That's another 5 headers on PB we can expect then.WhisperingOracle said:
What a shame.IanB2 said:Trump expected to make a statement later
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It is a tiny risk. But OK then, make masks compulsory outdoors, to eliminate even that risk.Carnyx said:
Not quite nil. Wind, wind, wind.Leon said:
All I do is walk alongside a friend at 2m distance. Staring ahead. I don't go near anyone. It keeps me sane. And the chances of my infecting someone, or catching something, are about nilLuckyguy1983 said:
It seems rather desperate. Do we have evidence that people obeying the rules outdoors is contributing significantly? Seems more likely to me that outbreaks are caused by people who break the rules (then give it to the rest of their family).Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Now they take it away?
Just don't take away what is left of my social life, as I live and work alone.0 -
When was the last time any politician ever said to voters 'there is a limit as to what your government can do for you, and we are at that limit'Stocky said:
No, I think they do. I`d just like them to be explicit and get it drilled into the public now that liberties will be restored, financial support will be largely curtailed and the vaccines will not completely eradicate all risk.contrarian said:
The fact they can't surely only shows they don;t have that much confidence in the vaccine as a way out.Stocky said:
Tories need to make the exit route clear.contrarian said:
Some tory MPs already getting v.v. nervous. Reform Party rolling out great barrington. First defection. Rishi sounding utterlt miserable on the economy.Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
It was Ronald Reagan wasn;t it?1 -
Or it could mean a couple of months of committee investigation first.Scott_xP said:0 -
It's behind a paywall; can you tell me what in the article makes you say they're "blaming the English"? I can only read this much:Alanbrooke said:contrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
theyre blaming the Englishcontrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
just for a change
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/returning-emigrants-may-have-prompted-surge-in-uk-variant-39953836.html
"The rapidly spreading UK variant of Covid-19 is feared to be behind a significant infection surge in Co Mayo. The latest figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, released last Thursday, show that one in every 50 people in Belmullet had contracted Covid-19 over the previous 14-day period. Health chiefs in the county believe the high influx of returning emigrants for Christmas from the UK is behind the spike in cases."
That much could well be true without it being "blaming" anyone.0 -
Learn a bit of tradecraft. The Stasi will never suspect that you know the person who just happens to be heading in the same direction as you at the same rate.Leon said:
All I do is walk alongside a friend at 2m distance. Staring ahead. I don't go near anyone. It keeps me sane. And the chances of my infecting someone, or catching something, are about nilLuckyguy1983 said:
It seems rather desperate. Do we have evidence that people obeying the rules outdoors is contributing significantly? Seems more likely to me that outbreaks are caused by people who break the rules (then give it to the rest of their family).Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Now they take it away?0 -
Flat as a pancake, that one.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't you mean it's not a laughing batter?Nigelb said:
It's not a laughing matter.Alanbrooke said:
shouldnt that be yolk ?TOPPING said:
Philip will be delighted at the new sovereignty displayed by individual EU countries' customs officials. Previously they had no say in allowing British-originated ham and egg sandwiches into their country.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
Now they truly have thrown off the yoke of oppression.0 -
1.3m additional jabs since last week, still too slow and hopefully this week we will see the end of second jabs entirely as no additional appointments should have been booked, 2.6m people getting their first jab would be a lot better than 2.3m with 0.3m having had two.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
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This isn't "disruption in January". Do you think these new checks will stop in February?Philip_Thompson said:
Is that another "joke" because I said the exact opposite! 🙄RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
I always said there would be disruption in January as people get used to the new paperwork, but there would be an incentive for businesses to get their paperwork in order to make it as smooth as possible. 🙄
This isn't paperwork. This is sovereignty in action. You want to come into our country, lets check you aren't bringing in any contraband, open your boot please.
Nor can the paperwork be made smooth. It doesn't work in our supply chain. The solution to "spend money filling in paperwork which both you and your customers then need to hire a customs agent to process" will be the rapid end to UK imports and exports.
We have cut ourselves off from our biggest market. Contrary to delusional wank bank fantasies about CANZUK there are no alternative markets of equivalent size and distance. We either - as Make UK et al are saying - negotiate a new deal that works. Or we both lose our exporters and lose the ability to import stuff apart from at vast cost.
"Oh no we won't" counters Philip with his extensive knowledge of fuck all.1 -
Its a bit of yellow paper I keep in the back of my passport.rkrkrk said:
Many African countries require a yellow fever vaccination to enter. Very possible that COVID vaccination (once widely available) will be added to the list. COVID vaccination or enforced 2 week quarantine would be an easy choice for most people.Leon said:
Anyone who wants to fly abroad will need some kind of vaccine document, for sure. That's basically 80% of the country right there, the Britons who enjoy a foreign holiday.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
https://twitter.com/eliefares/status/1346549539247960064?s=20
My best guess is that it will be an app, you can show to authorities, on your smartphone. The Australians have a very efficient e-visa service, which works smoothly, just like this.
Once it is widely established - for travellers, I suspect it will be used in many other areas of life, as well. And it will be popular, because it will enable us all to get nearer to "normality" - eg flying to Majorca for a nice break.
Bring it on.
A smart phone app is different altogether, especially if it becomes my access to 'many other areas of life'.1 -
Is there a risk that some countries will be picky about which particular vaccine has been given? For instance, Pfizer = yes, AZN = no?Leon said:
I guess this summer many governments/airlines will content themselves with a recent negative PCR test, until they can introduce longer-lasting vax certificate apps. But the latter are much more reassuring, so I can't see how they won't arrive, eventuallyTOPPING said:
I don't say you are wrong but according to that calculator that is/was going around that would rule out people under 40 going on their summer holidays.Leon said:
Anyone who wants to fly abroad will need some kind of vaccine document, for sure. That's basically 80% of the country right there, the Britons who enjoy a foreign holiday.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
https://twitter.com/eliefares/status/1346549539247960064?s=20
My best guess is that it will be an app, you can show to authorities, on your smartphone. The Australians have a very efficient e-visa service, which works smoothly, just like this.
Once it is widely established - for travellers, I suspect it will be used in many other areas of life, as well. And it will be popular, because it will enable us all to get nearer to "normality" - eg flying to Majorca for a nice break.
Bring it on.
Not sure that is where the various governments want to be.0 -
Would GPs have a record if jabs are done at any of the vaccination centres that are not GP surgeries?Foss said:
Your doctor should have a record. They can then charge for certs like they would if you wanted the jabs for africa or otherwise.eek said:
Yep - it would be far easier to create the database / certificates now for them never to be needed than to try and issue them afterwards.Stocky said:
I think there will be considerable resistance in government to the idea. But my worry, Andy, is that our government neglects to do it, time passes, and we discover that out freedoms to visit other countries have been curtailed. Then the government, belatedly seeing the way the wind is blowing, is forced to play catch-up and runs round spending oodles trying to fix a problem that it could have easily anticipated.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
https://twitter.com/eliefares/status/1346549539247960064?s=200 -
Professional Golf Assocation of America (PGA) has voted to terminate its agreement with Trumpsky organization and remove its 2022 championship event from The Donald's golf course at Bedwetter, NJ.
Makes me wonder about Gary Player and Annika Sorenstam who both accepted Medals of Freedom from his blood-stained hands AFTER the attempted Trumpsky Putsch.
Used to have considerable respect for Gary Player. No more, nevermore.
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It's because the EU banned people from bringing in UK meat and dairy. In contrast, it seems we are still allowed to bring meat and dairy back from the EU (apart from, for some reason, Cyprus) https://www.gov.uk/guidance/personal-food-plant-and-animal-product-importsMary_Batty said:
Is this no-sandwich thing because the Dutch heard someone say that Brexiters are all into bread?Alanbrooke said:
shouldnt that be yolk ?TOPPING said:
Philip will be delighted at the new sovereignty displayed by individual EU countries' customs officials. Previously they had no say in allowing British-originated ham and egg sandwiches into their country.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
Now they truly have thrown off the yoke of oppression.0 -
That`s enough of the waffle.Nigelb said:
Flat as a pancake, that one.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't you mean it's not a laughing batter?Nigelb said:
It's not a laughing matter.Alanbrooke said:
shouldnt that be yolk ?TOPPING said:
Philip will be delighted at the new sovereignty displayed by individual EU countries' customs officials. Previously they had no say in allowing British-originated ham and egg sandwiches into their country.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
Now they truly have thrown off the yoke of oppression.
(Ooh I did one.)1 -
Yes, quite. We should certainly encourage venues where a lot of people crowd together to insist on customers having been vaccinated, for as long as the virus is still in circulation and remains a danger (assuming that, as expected, vaccination does reduce the risk of being a carrier). That's because not only does the guy who goes to the nightclub unvaccinated threaten the safety of others who are vaccinated (because protection won't be 100%), he also threatens the safety of others he might meet subsequently, if there are other unvaccinated people admitted to the nightclub.DougSeal said:
Not sure on what legal grounds you say that. "Unvaccinated" is not a protected characteristic under the Equality Act or otherwise and I can't see Parliament legislating to make it so. You could try and argue that anti-vaxx is a deeply held philosophical belief and shoehorn it it into "religion or philosophical belief" that way but it's not convincing and there would be a legitimate health ground for wht would be, at worse, indirect discrimination.Mortimer said:
Pretty sure it will be deemed illegal to favour customers in such a way.MarqueeMark said:The wider issue will be not just air travel, but where else you will have to show a vaccination certificate before access is allowed. Cinemas? Nightclubs? Restaurants? Work in hospitality? Access to shops? It is quite easy to envisage an economy where you are very largely excluded without such a certificate. It may not be compulsory - but there will nonetheless be health apartheid.
The goals should be (a) public safety, and (b) re-opening normal life as fast as possible. Vaccination certificates allow (b) with minimal risk to (a).0 -
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It seems the UK is paying a high price for Christmas0
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Meanwhile, in Brexit reality:
https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/brexit/a-third-of-mands-food-subject-to-new-tariffs-when-exporting-to-eu/651899.article
A third of M&S’s food products are subject to new tariffs on exports to the EU under the UK’s trade deal, the retailer’s CEO has revealed.
The new tariffs together with “very complex administrative processes” would “significantly impact” M&S’s businesses in Ireland, the Czech Republic and franchises in France, the retailer said in its Christmas trading update this morning.
But its ok. All the problems will go away, says Philip, once they learn how to do paperwork in February.0 -
And Ireland even higherBig_G_NorthWales said:It seems the UK is paying a high price for Christmas
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'Still too slow' will be able to be said anytime before the target is reached, when of course you cannot immediately reach the target. Did you mean that the rate of increase is still too slow?MaxPB said:
1.3m additional jabs since last week, still too slow and hopefully this week we will see the end of second jabs entirely as no additional appointments should have been booked, 2.6m people getting their first jab would be a lot better than 2.3m with 0.3m having had two.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
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We should really be doing studies comparing the protection of those with 2 doses vs. 1. I hope someone is going to do that. If 1 dose is really the better approach - could save so many lives if other countries adopt our strategy.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
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FTFYBig_G_NorthWales said:It seems the UK is paying a high price for Christmas Boris
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You can create a support bubble. Don't think that's under threat.Leon said:
All I do is walk alongside a friend at 2m distance. Staring ahead. I don't go near anyone. It keeps me sane. And the chances of my infecting someone, or catching something, are about nilLuckyguy1983 said:
It seems rather desperate. Do we have evidence that people obeying the rules outdoors is contributing significantly? Seems more likely to me that outbreaks are caused by people who break the rules (then give it to the rest of their family).Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Now they take it away?0 -
And they lifted much of their restrictions for three weeks before Christmas. Funny how case numbers tend to go up a couple weeks after that.Mary_Batty said:
It's behind a paywall; can you tell me what in the article makes you say they're "blaming the English"? I can only read this much:Alanbrooke said:contrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
theyre blaming the Englishcontrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
just for a change
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/returning-emigrants-may-have-prompted-surge-in-uk-variant-39953836.html
"The rapidly spreading UK variant of Covid-19 is feared to be behind a significant infection surge in Co Mayo. The latest figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, released last Thursday, show that one in every 50 people in Belmullet had contracted Covid-19 over the previous 14-day period. Health chiefs in the county believe the high influx of returning emigrants for Christmas from the UK is behind the spike in cases."
That much could well be true without it being "blaming" anyone.0 -
I am guessing that none of the mutations will fully escape the vaccines, but were that to happen, this is an interesting notion.
https://twitter.com/_b_meyer/status/13486801262345052170 -
Should be fascinating to see the specifics of why people do not vote to convict - eg dispute the charge, say not right action at right time in right place etc?Scott_xP said:0 -
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
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Completely off topic from anything being discussed but relevant to discussions that often take place here . . . I was doing my daughter's schooling (Year 2, age 6) with her before and for history/geography she has been learning about explorers. Today's topic was to research and learn about Christopher Columbus.
So I started by talking to her about what I knew about Christopher Columbus, then we watched a couple of videos aimed at kids teaching about Christopher Columbus on YouTube.
What was noteworthy however was that the two videos could not have been more different. One, which looked quite dated, was all about heroic Christopher Columbus, how he discovered America and portrayed him in an unambiguously heroic and flattering light.
The other, newer, video taught about how Christopher Columbus grew up, how he got into exploration, how he got the idea of finding Asia, how he got approval to sail to find India but found America instead . . . then about how he was a cruel governor, how he was removed, arrested and imprisoned . . . and then into detail about how he was a slaver, that he took native Americans for slavery on the day he first found America and that he boasted that he could capture as many slaves as they could sell. This video emphasised we should remember Columbus for his discovery but not as a hero. It also led to an awkward conversation with my daughter when she asked what a slave is - a topic not covered before in her education as far as I know.
This left me thinking - there will be people growing up today only exposed to one or the other of these viewpoints depending upon their parents (and potentially their schools) preferences. People who grow up with an idealised and heroic view of Columbus - and others who view him as someone who might have been a great explorer, but was also a slaver and cruel to his subjects while Governor.
All of these facts are true, but not all are objectively covered by everyone and not everyone wants to learn everything. People who grow up with what are alternative sets of facts are going to grow up thinking very different things and looking at the world very differently.
So this got a lot more philosophical to me than I expect her teacher was thinking in setting the lesson plan - but I'm not sure how the world is best shaped to address these issues.3 -
They might actually start to make sense!Big_G_NorthWales said:
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Proud Boys: lock and load?WhisperingOracle said:
What a shame.IanB2 said:Trump expected to make a statement later
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Could easily be a mix of the two factorsGaussian said:
And they lifted much of their restrictions for three weeks before Christmas. Funny how case numbers tend to go up a couple weeks after that.Mary_Batty said:
It's behind a paywall; can you tell me what in the article makes you say they're "blaming the English"? I can only read this much:Alanbrooke said:contrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
theyre blaming the Englishcontrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
just for a change
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/returning-emigrants-may-have-prompted-surge-in-uk-variant-39953836.html
"The rapidly spreading UK variant of Covid-19 is feared to be behind a significant infection surge in Co Mayo. The latest figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, released last Thursday, show that one in every 50 people in Belmullet had contracted Covid-19 over the previous 14-day period. Health chiefs in the county believe the high influx of returning emigrants for Christmas from the UK is behind the spike in cases."
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which makes sense.JohnLilburne said:
You can create a support bubble. Don't think that's under threat.Leon said:
All I do is walk alongside a friend at 2m distance. Staring ahead. I don't go near anyone. It keeps me sane. And the chances of my infecting someone, or catching something, are about nilLuckyguy1983 said:
It seems rather desperate. Do we have evidence that people obeying the rules outdoors is contributing significantly? Seems more likely to me that outbreaks are caused by people who break the rules (then give it to the rest of their family).Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Now they take it away?
but also opens up all sorts of additional trouble.0 -
No! How did that happen?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
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What we would all like to know is: Where does your great knowledge and insight come from oh wise one?Philip_Thompson said:
Is that another "joke" because I said the exact opposite! 🙄RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
I always said there would be disruption in January as people get used to the new paperwork, but there would be an incentive for businesses to get their paperwork in order to make it as smooth as possible. 🙄0 -
Definitely. Unlucky to pick up the new variant at the same time as dropping their guard.Mary_Batty said:
Could easily be a mix of the two factorsGaussian said:
And they lifted much of their restrictions for three weeks before Christmas. Funny how case numbers tend to go up a couple weeks after that.Mary_Batty said:
It's behind a paywall; can you tell me what in the article makes you say they're "blaming the English"? I can only read this much:Alanbrooke said:contrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
theyre blaming the Englishcontrarian said:
I don;t see how that can be when they have been among the lockdowniest of them all...??Alanbrooke said:
Ireland currently has the worlds highest infection rate
https://www.independent.ie/news/ireland-records-highest-covid-19-infection-rate-in-the-world-over-past-seven-days-39954862.html
just for a change
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/returning-emigrants-may-have-prompted-surge-in-uk-variant-39953836.html
"The rapidly spreading UK variant of Covid-19 is feared to be behind a significant infection surge in Co Mayo. The latest figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, released last Thursday, show that one in every 50 people in Belmullet had contracted Covid-19 over the previous 14-day period. Health chiefs in the county believe the high influx of returning emigrants for Christmas from the UK is behind the spike in cases."
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I have long objected to posters comments being edited by other postersStocky said:
No! How did that happen?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
Mods - seriously.
If we all started to do that the site's integrity would be impacted0 -
I have, with my older daughter, who lives with her mother. That means I get to see her once a week. I don't want to go round more often because her mother is vulnerable, healthwise, and extremely nervous. She can cope with once a week.JohnLilburne said:
You can create a support bubble. Don't think that's under threat.Leon said:
All I do is walk alongside a friend at 2m distance. Staring ahead. I don't go near anyone. It keeps me sane. And the chances of my infecting someone, or catching something, are about nilLuckyguy1983 said:
It seems rather desperate. Do we have evidence that people obeying the rules outdoors is contributing significantly? Seems more likely to me that outbreaks are caused by people who break the rules (then give it to the rest of their family).Stocky said:
Things are getting unreasonable. What`s the fine if you`re caught? Worth the risk to retain sanity?Leon said:Jesus
"A ban on people in England walking or exercising with anyone from outside their household is looking increasingly likely, with sources telling the Guardian it is “under active consideration’’ and “could be introduced imminently”"
That's it. That's my social life gone. They want me to be entirely alone until March
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/11/ban-on-exercising-with-others-likely-but-elite-sport-fears-played-down
Now they take it away?
My only other human interaction is - or was - the previously-allowed exercise with one other person.0 -
First I`ve heard of it - I never knew this was possible.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have long objected to posters comments being edited by other postersStocky said:
No! How did that happen?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
Mods - seriously.0 -
Now at 210,000/day says Hancock.0
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You can only book a jab if you're registered with a GP. On that bases the feedback loop to your GP records should be closeable if it is not already closed.DecrepiterJohnL said:
Would GPs have a record if jabs are done at any of the vaccination centres that are not GP surgeries?Foss said:
Your doctor should have a record. They can then charge for certs like they would if you wanted the jabs for africa or otherwise.eek said:
Yep - it would be far easier to create the database / certificates now for them never to be needed than to try and issue them afterwards.Stocky said:
I think there will be considerable resistance in government to the idea. But my worry, Andy, is that our government neglects to do it, time passes, and we discover that out freedoms to visit other countries have been curtailed. Then the government, belatedly seeing the way the wind is blowing, is forced to play catch-up and runs round spending oodles trying to fix a problem that it could have easily anticipated.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
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I do wish the government, and several on here, would cease the embarrassing, shouty triumphalism about how much better our vaccination roll-out is than the rest of Europe. It shouldn't be a competition. A quiet pride in our achievements so far would be more dignified.
Any anyway, it's early days for triumphalism. It's reminiscent of many football tournaments that we've entered with high hope of English success, only to find out in the long-term that we lose, with Germany usually winning (even if on penalties).2 -
210,000 a day on average says Hancock in last four days.0
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It does happen from time to time and I think the moderators need to warn against itStocky said:
First I`ve heard of it - I never knew this was possible.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have long objected to posters comments being edited by other postersStocky said:
No! How did that happen?Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
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Hopefully once the seven large centres are open that rate will go up to 350-400k.rottenborough said:210,000 a day on average says Hancock in last four days.
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"Oh no we won't" because it is total and utter bullshit.RochdalePioneers said:
This isn't "disruption in January". Do you think these new checks will stop in February?Philip_Thompson said:
Is that another "joke" because I said the exact opposite! 🙄RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
I always said there would be disruption in January as people get used to the new paperwork, but there would be an incentive for businesses to get their paperwork in order to make it as smooth as possible. 🙄
This isn't paperwork. This is sovereignty in action. You want to come into our country, lets check you aren't bringing in any contraband, open your boot please.
Nor can the paperwork be made smooth. It doesn't work in our supply chain. The solution to "spend money filling in paperwork which both you and your customers then need to hire a customs agent to process" will be the rapid end to UK imports and exports.
We have cut ourselves off from our biggest market. Contrary to delusional wank bank fantasies about CANZUK there are no alternative markets of equivalent size and distance. We either - as Make UK et al are saying - negotiate a new deal that works. Or we both lose our exporters and lose the ability to import stuff apart from at vast cost.
"Oh no we won't" counters Philip with his extensive knowledge of fuck all.
I do understand economics and work in business. And economically the majority of our exports already take place outside the EU. Without being in their customs union.
Yes some trade may be disrupted, but the idea that we stop exporting is complete bullshit. Some imports may stop if people can't find a reason to do the paperwork etc - but others will continue. A new equilibrium will be reached.
If your logic were right we would have zero trade with the rest of the world as we're not in their customs union. It is nonsense.0 -
Check my maths please -kle4 said:
'Still too slow' will be able to be said anytime before the target is reached, when of course you cannot immediately reach the target. Did you mean that the rate of increase is still too slow?MaxPB said:
1.3m additional jabs since last week, still too slow and hopefully this week we will see the end of second jabs entirely as no additional appointments should have been booked, 2.6m people getting their first jab would be a lot better than 2.3m with 0.3m having had two.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
1.3 million vaccinations
185,714 per day (assuming 7 days a week)
Given the total population of 67 million
2,443 vaccinations per million per day
At this rate, the UK is the third fastest vaccinating nation in the world
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=latest®ion=World
with Israel and United Arab Emirates ahead.0 -
Senate should definitely NOT delay Biden's legislative agenda. On the other hand, no need for lengthy committee investigation, let alone days of debate.CarlottaVance said:
EVERYBODY knows what happened, what Trumpsky and his minions did. Cut and dried.
Try'em quick and hang 'em high.0 -
oh stop your sour pouting, it's extremely gentle satire on what you wrote, responsibly signposted with the obligatory "FTFY" that let's anyone know what's up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
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That's in week 1 of AZ and no mega centres. Each of those seven should be able to do 15-20k per day from the sounds of things.Malmesbury said:
Check my maths please -kle4 said:
'Still too slow' will be able to be said anytime before the target is reached, when of course you cannot immediately reach the target. Did you mean that the rate of increase is still too slow?MaxPB said:
1.3m additional jabs since last week, still too slow and hopefully this week we will see the end of second jabs entirely as no additional appointments should have been booked, 2.6m people getting their first jab would be a lot better than 2.3m with 0.3m having had two.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
1.3 million vaccinations
185,714 per day (assuming 7 days a week)
Given the total population of 67 million
2,443 vaccinations per million per day
At this rate, the UK is the third fastest vaccinating nation in the world
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=latest®ion=World
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Header writers should not be scrambling around trying to crack egg puns.Stocky said:
That`s enough of the waffle.Nigelb said:
Flat as a pancake, that one.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't you mean it's not a laughing batter?Nigelb said:
It's not a laughing matter.Alanbrooke said:
shouldnt that be yolk ?TOPPING said:
Philip will be delighted at the new sovereignty displayed by individual EU countries' customs officials. Previously they had no say in allowing British-originated ham and egg sandwiches into their country.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
Now they truly have thrown off the yoke of oppression.
(Ooh I did one.)1 -
Mind your own business.Nigel_Foremain said:
What we would all like to know is: Where does your great knowledge and insight come from oh wise one?Philip_Thompson said:
Is that another "joke" because I said the exact opposite! 🙄RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
I always said there would be disruption in January as people get used to the new paperwork, but there would be an incentive for businesses to get their paperwork in order to make it as smooth as possible. 🙄
My background is economics and running a business. More than that I'd rather not share because its none of your business to be frank. Discuss the ideas not the man. I'm happy to defend my own propositions and provide evidence for it - the rest is fluff.0 -
Lots of historic figures are both classed as "goodies " and "badies " depending on who you speak to/readPhilip_Thompson said:Completely off topic from anything being discussed but relevant to discussions that often take place here . . . I was doing my daughter's schooling (Year 2, age 6) with her before and for history/geography she has been learning about explorers. Today's topic was to research and learn about Christopher Columbus.
So I started by talking to her about what I knew about Christopher Columbus, then we watched a couple of videos aimed at kids teaching about Christopher Columbus on YouTube.
What was noteworthy however was that the two videos could not have been more different. One, which looked quite dated, was all about heroic Christopher Columbus, how he discovered America and portrayed him in an unambiguously heroic and flattering light.
The other, newer, video taught about how Christopher Columbus grew up, how he got into exploration, how he got the idea of finding Asia, how he got approval to sail to find India but found America instead . . . then about how he was a cruel governor, how he was removed, arrested and imprisoned . . . and then into detail about how he was a slaver, that he took native Americans for slavery on the day he first found America and that he boasted that he could capture as many slaves as they could sell. This video emphasised we should remember Columbus for his discovery but not as a hero. It also led to an awkward conversation with my daughter when she asked what a slave is - a topic not covered before in her education as far as I know.
This left me thinking - there will be people growing up today only exposed to one or the other of these viewpoints depending upon their parents (and potentially their schools) preferences. People who grow up with an idealised and heroic view of Columbus - and others who view him as someone who might have been a great explorer, but was also a slaver and cruel to his subjects while Governor.
All of these facts are true, but not all are objectively covered by everyone and not everyone wants to learn everything. People who grow up with what are alternative sets of facts are going to grow up thinking very different things and looking at the world very differently.
So this got a lot more philosophical to me than I expect her teacher was thinking in setting the lesson plan - but I'm not sure how the world is best shaped to address these issues.
Of the top of my head
Richard the Third
Dick Turpin
Robin Hood (if he ever did exist)
Churchill
Thatcher
Francis Drake etc
In the end its probably best to accept we can not really categorise them as good or bad based on third party evidence that naturally decays over the years coupled with changing moral norms. In a way its not a bad thing to accept some myths about them if they are interesting as it sort of makes you curious to know more
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Lots of historic figures are both classed as "goodies " and "badies " depending on who you speak to/readPhilip_Thompson said:Completely off topic from anything being discussed but relevant to discussions that often take place here . . . I was doing my daughter's schooling (Year 2, age 6) with her before and for history/geography she has been learning about explorers. Today's topic was to research and learn about Christopher Columbus.
So I started by talking to her about what I knew about Christopher Columbus, then we watched a couple of videos aimed at kids teaching about Christopher Columbus on YouTube.
What was noteworthy however was that the two videos could not have been more different. One, which looked quite dated, was all about heroic Christopher Columbus, how he discovered America and portrayed him in an unambiguously heroic and flattering light.
The other, newer, video taught about how Christopher Columbus grew up, how he got into exploration, how he got the idea of finding Asia, how he got approval to sail to find India but found America instead . . . then about how he was a cruel governor, how he was removed, arrested and imprisoned . . . and then into detail about how he was a slaver, that he took native Americans for slavery on the day he first found America and that he boasted that he could capture as many slaves as they could sell. This video emphasised we should remember Columbus for his discovery but not as a hero. It also led to an awkward conversation with my daughter when she asked what a slave is - a topic not covered before in her education as far as I know.
This left me thinking - there will be people growing up today only exposed to one or the other of these viewpoints depending upon their parents (and potentially their schools) preferences. People who grow up with an idealised and heroic view of Columbus - and others who view him as someone who might have been a great explorer, but was also a slaver and cruel to his subjects while Governor.
All of these facts are true, but not all are objectively covered by everyone and not everyone wants to learn everything. People who grow up with what are alternative sets of facts are going to grow up thinking very different things and looking at the world very differently.
So this got a lot more philosophical to me than I expect her teacher was thinking in setting the lesson plan - but I'm not sure how the world is best shaped to address these issues.
Of the top of my head
Richard the Third
Dick Turpin
Robin Hood (if he ever did exist)
Churchill
Thatcher
Francis Drake etc
In the end its probably best to accept we can not really categorise them as good or bad based on third party evidence that naturally decays over the years coupled with changing moral norms. In a way its not a bad thing to accept some myths about them if they are interesting as it sort of makes you curious to know more
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I suspect it will be something like:rottenborough said:
Proud Boys: lock and load?WhisperingOracle said:
What a shame.IanB2 said:Trump expected to make a statement later
People are picking on me so much, even though I was so great and the election was stolen from me. But I never told people to be violent, that is fake news, and still they pick on me.
Me me me.0 -
No, quite the opposite. They should take their time, de-politicise it as much as they possibly can, and gather as much really solid evidence as possible. What's the hurry, after all?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Senate should definitely NOT delay Biden's legislative agenda. On the other hand, no need for lengthy committee investigation, let alone days of debate.CarlottaVance said:
EVERYBODY knows what happened, what Trumpsky and his minions did. Cut and dried.
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Given the rate of infection, those in Group 10 (low risk) are perhaps more likely to gain immunity via transmission rather than via vaccination, as they aren't going to be vaccinated until late spring (June). We could thus end up with herd immunity that is gained in large part through infection, maybe even 50/50?0
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Yes. To be discouraged.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
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I'm sorry but I see very little evidence that you understand how business actually works.Philip_Thompson said:
"Oh no we won't" because it is total and utter bullshit.RochdalePioneers said:
This isn't "disruption in January". Do you think these new checks will stop in February?Philip_Thompson said:
Is that another "joke" because I said the exact opposite! 🙄RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
I always said there would be disruption in January as people get used to the new paperwork, but there would be an incentive for businesses to get their paperwork in order to make it as smooth as possible. 🙄
This isn't paperwork. This is sovereignty in action. You want to come into our country, lets check you aren't bringing in any contraband, open your boot please.
Nor can the paperwork be made smooth. It doesn't work in our supply chain. The solution to "spend money filling in paperwork which both you and your customers then need to hire a customs agent to process" will be the rapid end to UK imports and exports.
We have cut ourselves off from our biggest market. Contrary to delusional wank bank fantasies about CANZUK there are no alternative markets of equivalent size and distance. We either - as Make UK et al are saying - negotiate a new deal that works. Or we both lose our exporters and lose the ability to import stuff apart from at vast cost.
"Oh no we won't" counters Philip with his extensive knowledge of fuck all.
I do understand economics and work in business. And economically the majority of our exports already take place outside the EU. Without being in their customs union.
Yes some trade may be disrupted, but the idea that we stop exporting is complete bullshit. Some imports may stop if people can't find a reason to do the paperwork etc - but others will continue. A new equilibrium will be reached.
If your logic were right we would have zero trade with the rest of the world as we're not in their customs union. It is nonsense.
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There's Covid vaccine. Then there's M&S slow-baked artisan Fair Trade high-efficacy single-dose Covid vaccine...Stocky said:
Is there a risk that some countries will be picky about which particular vaccine has been given? For instance, Pfizer = yes, AZN = no?Leon said:
I guess this summer many governments/airlines will content themselves with a recent negative PCR test, until they can introduce longer-lasting vax certificate apps. But the latter are much more reassuring, so I can't see how they won't arrive, eventuallyTOPPING said:
I don't say you are wrong but according to that calculator that is/was going around that would rule out people under 40 going on their summer holidays.Leon said:
Anyone who wants to fly abroad will need some kind of vaccine document, for sure. That's basically 80% of the country right there, the Britons who enjoy a foreign holiday.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
https://twitter.com/eliefares/status/1346549539247960064?s=20
My best guess is that it will be an app, you can show to authorities, on your smartphone. The Australians have a very efficient e-visa service, which works smoothly, just like this.
Once it is widely established - for travellers, I suspect it will be used in many other areas of life, as well. And it will be popular, because it will enable us all to get nearer to "normality" - eg flying to Majorca for a nice break.
Bring it on.
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Twitter stock down 10% today apparently.kle4 said:
I suspect it will be something like:rottenborough said:
Proud Boys: lock and load?WhisperingOracle said:
What a shame.IanB2 said:Trump expected to make a statement later
People are picking on me so much, even though I was so great and the election was stolen from me. But I never told people to be violent, that is fake news, and still they pick on me.
Me me me.0 -
SandyRentool said:
Now at 210,000/day says Hancock.
Seems pretty confident about hitting the "14m by 14 Feb" Valentine's Day Target.
We'll see.0 -
Birmingham is aiming to do 2500 a day by next week - which seems rather low.MaxPB said:
That's in week 1 of AZ and no mega centres. Each of those seven should be able to do 15-20k per day from the sounds of things.Malmesbury said:
Check my maths please -kle4 said:
'Still too slow' will be able to be said anytime before the target is reached, when of course you cannot immediately reach the target. Did you mean that the rate of increase is still too slow?MaxPB said:
1.3m additional jabs since last week, still too slow and hopefully this week we will see the end of second jabs entirely as no additional appointments should have been booked, 2.6m people getting their first jab would be a lot better than 2.3m with 0.3m having had two.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
1.3 million vaccinations
185,714 per day (assuming 7 days a week)
Given the total population of 67 million
2,443 vaccinations per million per day
At this rate, the UK is the third fastest vaccinating nation in the world
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=latest®ion=World
with Israel and United Arab Emirates ahead.
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You do not change my post and have some respectMary_Batty said:
oh stop your sour pouting, it's extremely gentle satire on what you wrote, responsibly signposted with the obligatory "FTFY" that let's anyone know what's up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
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Almost at the very beginning of this, I made the suggestion of 'covid treatment kits' to be delivered through letterboxes to be part of the package following a diagnosis. I wonder if this might have helped more sufferers to recover from the disease at home in isolation, and perhaps avoided hospitalisation in significant numbers of cases.
I just think there is a huge and rather needless gulf between 'Get plenty of rest and take paracetomol' and 'Call an ambulance'. We already had some excellent advice on PB about monitoring oxygen levels at home. I think the following video from Dr Berg is another excellent guide for sufferers:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKU2JyIMHrc
It is very much in the culture of the NHS, indeed the culture of the medical profession down the ages, not to empower the patient and give them ideas above their station. It is possible that this attitude has resulted in many many people doing just that, and throwing themselves into hospital treatment because they did not feel empowered to take on Covid at home.
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And they usually start with a dour and disappointing draw against a minnow. Same with Italy. So, yes, a fine analogy and a disturbing one.Northern_Al said:I do wish the government, and several on here, would cease the embarrassing, shouty triumphalism about how much better our vaccination roll-out is than the rest of Europe. It shouldn't be a competition. A quiet pride in our achievements so far would be more dignified.
Any anyway, it's early days for triumphalism. It's reminiscent of many football tournaments that we've entered with high hope of English success, only to find out in the long-term that we lose, with Germany usually winning (even if on penalties).1 -
I feel all the hokey pokey with lots of slightly different tiers may have given a lot of insight to the epidemiologists over the last 6 months, so why not - 300k is a decent samples of 2nd vaxxees, so a basis for comparison is definitely three. Though, I'm not sure that I entirely follow the 'change one thing at a time' chain in all the different tiering decisionsrkrkrk said:
We should really be doing studies comparing the protection of those with 2 doses vs. 1. I hope someone is going to do that. If 1 dose is really the better approach - could save so many lives if other countries adopt our strategy.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
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Again attacking the integrity of the forumTOPPING said:
Yes. To be discouraged.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
I have long said that TOPPING is far and away the best poster on PB.0 -
Very slow ramp up, implies around 20-25 people doing the jabs. How is it not at least 150 per centre?Foss said:
Birmingham is aiming to do 2600 a day by next week - which seems rather low.MaxPB said:
That's in week 1 of AZ and no mega centres. Each of those seven should be able to do 15-20k per day from the sounds of things.Malmesbury said:
Check my maths please -kle4 said:
'Still too slow' will be able to be said anytime before the target is reached, when of course you cannot immediately reach the target. Did you mean that the rate of increase is still too slow?MaxPB said:
1.3m additional jabs since last week, still too slow and hopefully this week we will see the end of second jabs entirely as no additional appointments should have been booked, 2.6m people getting their first jab would be a lot better than 2.3m with 0.3m having had two.CarlottaVance said:Hancock: 2.6 million jabs to 2.3 million people.
1.3 million vaccinations
185,714 per day (assuming 7 days a week)
Given the total population of 67 million
2,443 vaccinations per million per day
At this rate, the UK is the third fastest vaccinating nation in the world
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vaccination-doses-per-capita?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=latest®ion=World
with Israel and United Arab Emirates ahead.
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If I detonated a nuke in St Paul's Catherdral or kicked the crutch away from a Chelsea pensioner, a new equilibrium would rapidly be reached. The expression is simply meaningless. Please stop using it.Philip_Thompson said:
"Oh no we won't" because it is total and utter bullshit.RochdalePioneers said:
This isn't "disruption in January". Do you think these new checks will stop in February?Philip_Thompson said:
Is that another "joke" because I said the exact opposite! 🙄RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
I always said there would be disruption in January as people get used to the new paperwork, but there would be an incentive for businesses to get their paperwork in order to make it as smooth as possible. 🙄
This isn't paperwork. This is sovereignty in action. You want to come into our country, lets check you aren't bringing in any contraband, open your boot please.
Nor can the paperwork be made smooth. It doesn't work in our supply chain. The solution to "spend money filling in paperwork which both you and your customers then need to hire a customs agent to process" will be the rapid end to UK imports and exports.
We have cut ourselves off from our biggest market. Contrary to delusional wank bank fantasies about CANZUK there are no alternative markets of equivalent size and distance. We either - as Make UK et al are saying - negotiate a new deal that works. Or we both lose our exporters and lose the ability to import stuff apart from at vast cost.
"Oh no we won't" counters Philip with his extensive knowledge of fuck all.
I do understand economics and work in business. And economically the majority of our exports already take place outside the EU. Without being in their customs union.
Yes some trade may be disrupted, but the idea that we stop exporting is complete bullshit. Some imports may stop if people can't find a reason to do the paperwork etc - but others will continue. A new equilibrium will be reached.
If your logic were right we would have zero trade with the rest of the world as we're not in their customs union. It is nonsense.
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Hancock saying no rule change yet. Thank f*ck0
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then again many unfavorably compared the UK to the rest of Europe about case levels not long ago so I think its fair- anyway competition creates effort - a few hurt euro feelings is not important in this crisis is it?kinabalu said:
And they usually start with a dour and disappointing draw against a minnow. Same with Italy. So, yes, a fine analogy and a disturbing one.Northern_Al said:I do wish the government, and several on here, would cease the embarrassing, shouty triumphalism about how much better our vaccination roll-out is than the rest of Europe. It shouldn't be a competition. A quiet pride in our achievements so far would be more dignified.
Any anyway, it's early days for triumphalism. It's reminiscent of many football tournaments that we've entered with high hope of English success, only to find out in the long-term that we lose, with Germany usually winning (even if on penalties).0 -
I'm 40 in June, where does that leave me ?TOPPING said:
Interesting - at 2m doses a week a 40yr old with no u/l health problems would be vaccinated by May. At 1m/week it would be by October.TOPPING said:
I don't say you are wrong but according to that calculator that is/was going around that would rule out people under 40 going on their summer holidays.Leon said:
Anyone who wants to fly abroad will need some kind of vaccine document, for sure. That's basically 80% of the country right there, the Britons who enjoy a foreign holiday.Andy_JS said:
I'm not sure there will be vaccine visas.Leon said:ON topic, of COURSE you will need a vaccine visa to travel, eat out, use public transport, stay in a hotel, fly, take a cab, do any jobs requiring interaction, go to the theatre, basically live.
We had ID cards in the War, we will have vaccine visas for a few years. Other countries are already on the case, not just rule-following Asians.
You will probably be allowed, at least at first, to refuse a vaccine, but then you won't get your Vaccine Visa, meaning it will be almost impossible to do most normal things. A tiny percentage will hold out.
https://twitter.com/eliefares/status/1346549539247960064?s=20
My best guess is that it will be an app, you can show to authorities, on your smartphone. The Australians have a very efficient e-visa service, which works smoothly, just like this.
Once it is widely established - for travellers, I suspect it will be used in many other areas of life, as well. And it will be popular, because it will enable us all to get nearer to "normality" - eg flying to Majorca for a nice break.
Bring it on.
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No way to "de-politicise" a Putsch. And no need to gather evidence, it's already been gathered.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, quite the opposite. They should take their time, de-politicise it as much as they possibly can, and gather as much really solid evidence as possible. What's the hurry, after all?SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Senate should definitely NOT delay Biden's legislative agenda. On the other hand, no need for lengthy committee investigation, let alone days of debate.CarlottaVance said:
EVERYBODY knows what happened, what Trumpsky and his minions did. Cut and dried.
Try'em quick and hang 'em high.
One thing that unites Americans across the political spectrum, is the way the Congress of the United States can spend endless hours and days and weeks and months and years and years and years doing . . . nothing much.2 -
Perhaps if many of here resisted the urge to shout how much worse than europe we are at the drop of the hat for other covid stats people wouldn't feel the need to retaliate.Northern_Al said:I do wish the government, and several on here, would cease the embarrassing, shouty triumphalism about how much better our vaccination roll-out is than the rest of Europe. It shouldn't be a competition. A quiet pride in our achievements so far would be more dignified.
Any anyway, it's early days for triumphalism. It's reminiscent of many football tournaments that we've entered with high hope of English success, only to find out in the long-term that we lose, with Germany usually winning (even if on penalties).
Often indeed shouting how bad we were compared to Europe on things that had yet to happen such as not joining the EU vaccine buying scheme and how we would lose out by not doing so.4 -
Why would it take 100 days? With politics in the USA so partisan at the moment, isn't it just a matter of head counting?CarlottaVance said:
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has anyone estimated the rates of vaccination per day since that first jab on the 8th. Think I could work back using the various numbers, both official and not, but was wondering if it had been done, well, anywhere?0
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*Blushes*TOPPING said:
Yes. To be discouraged. It is a truth universally acknowledged that Anabobazina's wisdom is unparalleled here. I wouldn't wish to steal his glory.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
I have long said that TOPPING is far and away the best poster on PB.
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Yes, they should ovoid them at all costs.kinabalu said:
Header writers should not be scrambling around trying to crack egg puns.Stocky said:
That`s enough of the waffle.Nigelb said:
Flat as a pancake, that one.Luckyguy1983 said:
Don't you mean it's not a laughing batter?Nigelb said:
It's not a laughing matter.Alanbrooke said:
shouldnt that be yolk ?TOPPING said:
Philip will be delighted at the new sovereignty displayed by individual EU countries' customs officials. Previously they had no say in allowing British-originated ham and egg sandwiches into their country.RochdalePioneers said:
Don't forget - Philip has assured us that there will be no disruption at the border as absolutely everyone will submit all their paperwork electronically in advance. Definitely no mega queues whilst bemused customs officials search for contraband, not at all.CarlottaVance said:The Dutch Tourist will be thrilled:
https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1348585818231894018?s=20
Now they truly have thrown off the yoke of oppression.
(Ooh I did one.)1 -
52% of Americans want Trump to be removed from office but 87% of Republicans do not want Trump removed from office
https://twitter.com/QuinnipiacPoll/status/1348685491080597504?s=20
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It wasn't sneakily changed with no audit trail. That would be simply unconscionable and merit the blog equivalent of Old Sparky. They did the old thing with a line through that's fairly common MO.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not change my post and have some respectMary_Batty said:
oh stop your sour pouting, it's extremely gentle satire on what you wrote, responsibly signposted with the obligatory "FTFY" that let's anyone know what's up.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
Being just a touch precious here, BigG, for me.7 -
That one probably wouldn't have happened had you not whined about being very gently ribbed in the first place. Sort of like a Streisand effect.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Again attacking the integrity of the forumTOPPING said:
Yes. To be discouraged.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is sad that you think it is OK to change a poster commentMary_Batty said:
Can you imagine if I start changing your posts
I have long said that TOPPING is far and away the best poster on PB.
Anyway, No More Tears (Enough Is Enough), I shan't edit your posts again, Babs.0 -
i know its old school but maybe Gary player adheres to the sensible slogan of keep sport free from politicsSeaShantyIrish2 said:Professional Golf Assocation of America (PGA) has voted to terminate its agreement with Trumpsky organization and remove its 2022 championship event from The Donald's golf course at Bedwetter, NJ.
Makes me wonder about Gary Player and Annika Sorenstam who both accepted Medals of Freedom from his blood-stained hands AFTER the attempted Trumpsky Putsch.
Used to have considerable respect for Gary Player. No more, nevermore.1 -
I'm not sure the political will is there for any further measures whatsoever.Leon said:Hancock saying no rule change yet. Thank f*ck
Even labour today could not say whether meeting in the park etc was wrong.
Meanwhile Harper and Co. heaping pressure on the government for a proper roadmap.
And the news from Sunak was so gloomy!
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