The Christmas easing must be cancelled immediately and the entire country must now go back into a full lockdown.
I have been saying that for weeks
Have you ever thought that young people might be getting tired of having their lives destroyed to bring about a situation that gives your ancient backside a slightly better chance of survival from one out of a myriad of diseases, possibly. Did you do this for the old when you were young? Nope. And nobody expected you to.
Yes, I did, Mr Contrarian. I spent six years living in an air raid shelter.
The total number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Wales has risen by another 1,228 new cases, Public Health Wales (PHW) said in its latest update on Monday.
What is going on in Wales, has their testing system broken / excel spreadsheet had a buffer overflow? No cases reported yesterday and basically 2/3 the current average daily amount today. Either some miracle has occurred and covid has magically gone away or something isn't working right.
"Planned maintenance". "There will be a period of data reconciliation and validation that will affect our daily reporting figures for several days".
You'd think the "plan" could have contained measures for ensuring continuity ...
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Surely when at University in Aberystwyth, HYUFD was in the Free Wales Army.
I had the misfortune to be listening to LBC over the weekend and heard a caller say the army will be opening fire on civilians within a month due to immediate food shortages stemming from COVID and Brexit. Perhaps it was Eadric?
The Christmas easing must be cancelled immediately and the entire country must now go back into a full lockdown.
I have been saying that for weeks
Have you ever thought that young people might be getting tired of having their lives destroyed to bring about a situation that gives your ancient backside a slightly better chance of survival from one out of a myriad of diseases, possibly.
Did you do this for the old when you were young? Nope. And nobody expected you to.
When I was young Hitler was sending V bombs over my house and one stopped and killed several neighbours
I think you will find a large majority do not want to kill their granny
I think I found peak selfishness today.
Via farcebook friends-of-freinds.....
It seems that a couple were planning an illegal birthday party. Someone let slip that they had tested positive for COVID... which means that attendance is going to be a bit down.
The selfishness - apparently, it's the person who let people know that they had COVID and would be in the quarantine period..... They ruined the party.....
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
Okay, thanks for the apology but...
It wasn't at all funny and unfortunately there is no such thing as a closed network, so such comments get picked up by loons and are very quickly all over the internet.
That's the world we live in nowadays, I'm afraid. Sad, I know, but there it is.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
But if going all Great Barrington was so popular with the people, why wasn't the Donald re-elected in a landslide? Especially since the pandemic apparently 'ended in June', as you've mentioned before. Unless of course ... it didn't.
They're false deaths from false positives. And only really old people on the verge of death are affected. And it's only caught in hospitals. And it's because PCR tests pick up dead virus which mysteriously keeps floating around and shoving itself up peoples noses. Because it all ended in June and there's no second wave and it's all false positives and hospitals are empty and we've got pre-existing herd immunity and it's all to protect the scientists [insert name calling here] because every Government everywhere in the world is part of a conspiracy and face nappies and boo.
Why has LadyG been banned? Nothing I can see in last few posts to warrant that.
There was one earlier this afternoon in response to a Scottish Nationalist poster that took the “banter” a bit far.
What, the "pathetic oat-eating jerks" comment? Is that it?
I`m not a fan of this censorship from OGH.
I can only assume that was what did it. We are OGH’s guests, he’s the host, his rules. I’d probably throw someone out of my house if they said such a thing to a fellow guest. Hardly censorship -plenty of space elsewhere on the internet if that kind of thing is your bag.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
Why would you expect a virus with a mortality rate of somewhere around 1%, which doesn't kill those who die until weeks after they became infectious, to tend to become less deadly any time soon ? Infectiousness is a different matter, though that's likely to be pretty complicated given you're starting with a pretty infectious virus in the first place.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Surely when at University in Aberystwyth, HYUFD was in the Free Wales Army.
HYUFD was at Aber .... Nooooooo. Say it ain't so.
Aber already has to bear the cross of Neil Mostyn Hamilton ... and YDoethur 😁
The English Government needs to get on and cancel the Christmas easing immediately, along with the Welsh and Scottish Governments who are going along with this totally wrong decision.
We need a collective UK-wide lockdown now, it's now inevitable yet again.
Tonnes of us that have dodged pubs, restaurants, gyms and any voluntary vector. Our modest christmas won't be cancelled.
I caught the train today for the first time since February. The station car park was completely empty, as was the train. I live in a Tier 2 area but the pubs and restaurants that have opened are very quiet. It is a completely different world to early March yet the virus keeps spreading.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
If "Corbynism" is doing that thing when every other measure has been shown to be inadequate, then yes this Govt. has implemented "Corbynism".
Corbyn wanted to fuck the economy BEFORE Covid. He wanted to pile vast amounts of taxation/debt repayment onto the private sector to pay for the public sector BEFORE Covid. Where do you think we would be after John McDonnell's Budget - and THEN Covid hit?
There's being Contrarian - and then there's being Downright Silly.
Conservative principles should be principles for all seasons. Or they are worth nothing. A new crisis might emerge in, say, two years time.
How would our government cope with that, considering we are nearly bankrupt as it is?
The state is responsible for us versus each of us is responsible for ourselves.
You`re obvs with the latter - and I`d agree normally. Normally.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Surely when at University in Aberystwyth, HYUFD was in the Free Wales Army.
HYUFD was at Aber .... Nooooooo. Say it ain't so.
Aber already has to bear the cross of Neil Mostyn Hamilton ... and YDoethur 😁
I did my Masters at Aber from 2011-2012 and was a member of the University Tories
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
But it was the combination of dialogue behind the scenes (to begin with, vigorously denied by the Tories even as they were doing it), and the progressive resolution of republican grievances - policing, housing allocation, behaviour of local government and the like - which weakened support for more violent action - that brought the IRA to the negotiating table. The military presence achieved nothing and was simply a holding operation while slower but cleverer policy responses had time to work.
Turning Scotland into 1970s Belfast isn’t going to end the way you think it would.
Literally the only thing not sending me into a total depressions at the moment is that at least Scotland admissions are still trending downwards but I don't know how much this is a reporting artefact.
Devolved administrations to break ranks first? I'm amazed they already haven't.
It would be political suicide for them to cancel Christmas whilst England is still having it.
If anyone could take the hit I'd assume Sturgeon could, and I doubt it'd be for long. But if that is a concern, push for it behind closed doors with the PM.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Surely when at University in Aberystwyth, HYUFD was in the Free Wales Army.
The gap between the rhetoric when the government wants power and what happens when they get it is pretty big.
Wonder how the MPs is these constituencies are feeling today
You're going to have to quote the paragraph in the Tory manifesto where they promised never to introduce any public health measures, even in a global pandemic.
How did that policy work out for Donald Trump as an electoral strategy? I can't quite tell.
NO you're going to have to explain to conservatives why, in the face of a global pandemic, your tory party resorted to Corbynism.
Large scale loss of liberty, enforced loss of livelihood, gargantuan debts, an economy far more decimated than many others, paying people to do nothing for a year.
You're going to have to explain why the private sector that votes for you and pays all the bills got destroyed in favour of a public sector that escaped virtually untouched and will never vote tory. You're going to have to explain why middle class taxes are going through the roof to pay for it all.
In some cases, you will be doing the explaining with candidates from new right wing parties on your tail, pointing all this out and offering great Barrington to an electorate utterly sick of being locked down by a secretive unaccountable committee staffed by people who are not even medics in many cases.
Best of luck matey because from where I'm sitting, you are going to effing need it.
But if going all Great Barrington was so popular with the people, why wasn't the Donald re-elected in a landslide?
He was, until it was stolen. His winning margin has gotten bigger and bigger since election night, at least to judge by his comments about it.
Literally the only thing not sending me into a total depressions at the moment is that at least Scotland admissions are still trending downwards but I don't know how much this is a reporting artefact.
Ultimately none of this really matters as long as we get the vaccine out quickly. Could do with an Oxon-AZ approval quick sharp – then use that to inject under 55s while Pfizer/Moderna goes to the elderly.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
Why would you expect a virus with a mortality rate of somewhere around 1%, which doesn't kill those who die until weeks after they became infectious, to tend to become less deadly any time soon ? Infectiousness is a different matter, though that's likely to be pretty complicated given you're starting with a pretty infectious virus in the first place.
Because death at the end correlates with more serious illness in the middle correlates with more significant symptoms at the beginning correlates with people who stay in bed rather than shrugging off being under the weather and hitting the party.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
To be honest it is time someone in CCHQ reviewed your idiotic posting as you are bringing the party into disrepute
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
But it was the combination of dialogue behind the scenes (to begin with, vigorously denied by the Tories even as they were doing it), and the progressive resolution of republican grievances - policing, housing allocation, behaviour of local government and the like - which weakened support for more violent action - that brought the IRA to the negotiating table. The military presence achieved nothing and was simply a holding operation while slower but cleverer policy responses had time to work.
Turning Scotland into 1970s Belfast isn’t going to end the way you think it would.
The British military presence ensured the IRA could not win via violence, only once Sinn Fein/IRA were prepared to lay down their arms were they able to be brought to the negotiating table.
The response I put forward would be only a last resort, given the UK government is committed to 2014 being a once in a generation referendum and if the SNP accept that then no problem, if the SNP go down the route of Sinn Fein in the 1970s and 1980s then nothing would be off the table from the British government perspective in response
Literally the only thing not sending me into a total depressions at the moment is that at least Scotland admissions are still trending downwards but I don't know how much this is a reporting artefact.
Ultimately none of this really matters as long as we get the vaccine out quickly. Could do with an Oxon-AZ approval quick sharp – then use that to inject under 55s while Pfizer/Moderna goes to the elderly.
Yes - we need to get on with this now - while meeting the safety requirements of course.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
To be honest it is time someone in CCHQ reviewed your idiotic posting as you are bringing the party into disrepute
Given you are openly posting posts advocating toppling Boris, the party leader and oppose the party's policy that 2014 was a once in a generation referendum if any posts need to be reviewed by CCHQ here they are yours not mine
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
Literally the only thing not sending me into a total depressions at the moment is that at least Scotland admissions are still trending downwards but I don't know how much this is a reporting artefact.
That's just delay from the cases isn't it? Cases have only just started going up.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Surely when at University in Aberystwyth, HYUFD was in the Free Wales Army.
HYUFD was at Aber .... Nooooooo. Say it ain't so.
Aber already has to bear the cross of Neil Mostyn Hamilton ... and YDoethur 😁
I did my Masters at Aber from 2011-2012 and was a member of the University Tories
Scarred for life by two years as the only Tory in the village?
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Surely when at University in Aberystwyth, HYUFD was in the Free Wales Army.
Actually, they were based near to my alma mater the older and better of Ceredigion's seats of higher learning.
Incidentally, one the FB group for my cohort of Lampeter alumns there's a currently a thread on "So who do we think was actually the Special Branch agent then?"
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
To be honest it is time someone in CCHQ reviewed your idiotic posting as you are bringing the party into disrepute
Given you are openly posting posts advocating toppling Boris, the party leader and oppose the party's policy that 2014 was a once in a generation referendum if any posts need to be reviewed by CCHQ here they are yours not mine
I am content that I am not bringing the party into disrepute
You are an embarrassment to any decent conservative and your views on violence against Scotland are sick
Literally the only thing not sending me into a total depressions at the moment is that at least Scotland admissions are still trending downwards but I don't know how much this is a reporting artefact.
That's just delay from the cases isn't it? Cases have only just started going up.
Sure, but cases have been going up/stopped falling for a couple of weeks now.
I know admissions will rise soon but they rose sooner in England, so I'm hoping all the midges stop hospitalisations happening or something.
The Christmas easing must be cancelled immediately and the entire country must now go back into a full lockdown.
It really shouldn't. There has to be a balance of risk in all these matters and the current situation does not merit that kind of draconian response.
We're getting another surge imminently.
I was calling for Lockdown 2.0 when you lot were saying it was nothing to worry about. I was right then and I am right now.
It's going to be a horrendous Christmas for hospital staff.
How does this compare with the past few years?
We usually have a bed crisis at Christmas, but this year effectively* 10% fewer acute beds, and significant staff attrition. I would be surprised if it wasn't a problem.
Literally the only thing not sending me into a total depressions at the moment is that at least Scotland admissions are still trending downwards but I don't know how much this is a reporting artefact.
Ultimately none of this really matters as long as we get the vaccine out quickly. Could do with an Oxon-AZ approval quick sharp – then use that to inject under 55s while Pfizer/Moderna goes to the elderly.
If we luck into that strategy because of the regulator it will be great because the government will be forced into vaccinating the productive young on a much earlier and more aggressive schedule than what is currently under consideration.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
There was no real concept of "riot police" in NI.
The B Specials?
They wouldn't be recognised as riot police as the term is used in Mainland UK. If you were being serious.
This is what happens when you give a bunch of muppets and no marks some sort of semblance of power. Surely even remainers must be relieved that plonkers like Farage are no longer embarrassing us in that joke of a Parliament.
USA is going to motor ahead of us in terms of vaccinations/head shortly I think.
Good for them. Can't get everything wrong.
Not so very sure about that - the layers of QAnon level idiocy in State government, Donald Fucking Trump sticking his oar in and the Joy Joy that is the American healthcare system will slow things down massively.
It is not going to get through 27 national parliaments by then either.
Is this how Johnson gets out of the f*cking massive hole he has dug himself? Forced into a technical extension in Jan/Feb 2021 and so avoid no deal chaos in middle of worst of post-xmas pandemic?
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
There was no real concept of "riot police" in NI.
The B Specials?
They wouldn't be recognised as riot police as the term is used in Mainland UK. If you were being serious.
The had unparalleled ability to get riots going...
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
There was no real concept of "riot police" in NI.
The B Specials?
They wouldn't be recognised as riot police as the term is used in Mainland UK. If you were being serious.
The had unparalleled ability to get riots going...
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
To be honest it is time someone in CCHQ reviewed your idiotic posting as you are bringing the party into disrepute
Given you are openly posting posts advocating toppling Boris, the party leader and oppose the party's policy that 2014 was a once in a generation referendum if any posts need to be reviewed by CCHQ here they are yours not mine
I am content that I am not bringing the party into disrepute
You are an embarrassment to any decent conservative and your views on violence against Scotland are sick
Given your views on what is a 'decent conservative' exclude the party leader and PM it is rather a minority term at present and maintaining order in Scotland if riots break out is just a natural response from the party of the Union and the party of law and order
Apart from reducing the case, reducing the numbers going into hospital, reducing the numbers in hospital and reducing the numbers dying.... Apart from that, lockdown achieved nothing.
And it's probably a lot worse in the recent weeks for which data is not yet available.
I asked earlier whether any other countries already had average daily virus death rates higher than during the spring first wave? Does anyone know without having to do lots of data crunching?
It is not going to get through 27 national parliaments by then either.
If a deal can be done then it'll magically get through all of those. The current negotiating stance of the EU is what the EU wants after all - nothing to do with what the EU has a right to expect. After a no-deal Brexit then these smaller assemblies will be far more influential.
Yeah, just sliced the data and actually total in hospital in Scotland is rising even though admissions is falling. So balls.
The hospital funnel definitely has more people entering than leaving in all of the UK again. The four weeks in England had a small effect but it's been overwhelmed.
Apart from reducing the case, reducing the numbers going into hospital, reducing the numbers in hospital and reducing the numbers dying.... Apart from that, lockdown achieved nothing.
Yep. Can't figure out what action actually led to cases rising again. Should have gone till Christmas.
Given you are openly posting posts advocating toppling Boris, the party leader and oppose the party's policy that 2014 was a once in a generation referendum if any posts need to be reviewed by CCHQ here they are yours not mine
At the relatively spry age of 46 I don't want to be talking down to "you young folk" but those of my age lived the first half their lives when serious violence of the type you describe was an everyday occurence. The GFA was almost like a miracle - at the age of 24 I had not considered peace in NI possible - as a young adult at the time I had not known the concept. Even for those of us outside NI, who did not get the brunt of it, the Troubles were something no one would want to go through again. "We" (i.e the British Govt) most certainly did not "win". Painful compromises were needed on all sides.
Reading you blithly advocating military action as if it were some sort of normal outcome is the visual equivalent of fingernails being scraped down a blackboard - although I guess for you it was whiteboards and PowerPoint.
You also need a history lesson. The catalyst for the NI troubles was not some the constitutional dispute - although that was ultimately the fuel that fed the fire. It was the shameless trampling of the civil rights of the Catholic population that London did nothing to stop that triggered open insurrection. Nationalists in NI would always have opposed partition, as Nationalists in Scotland will always oppose the Act of Union, but it took civil rights violations to drive people away from consitutional nationalism to physical force republicanism. The eventualities you describe are very different.
Literally the only thing not sending me into a total depressions at the moment is that at least Scotland admissions are still trending downwards but I don't know how much this is a reporting artefact.
Ultimately none of this really matters as long as we get the vaccine out quickly. Could do with an Oxon-AZ approval quick sharp – then use that to inject under 55s while Pfizer/Moderna goes to the elderly.
If we luck into that strategy because of the regulator it will be great because the government will be forced into vaccinating the productive young on a much earlier and more aggressive schedule than what is currently under consideration.
I think that double-edge approach is most wise, simply because the Oxon jab is less effective but much easier to distribute. 70% is fine for the under-55s TBH (and it is 100% effective at stopping hospitalisations which is obviously fantastic).
So, let's bloody get on with it and have the young guns jabbed with the cheap and cheerful, quick Oxon juice and save the potent, trickier stuff for the oldies.
As you say, the govt might actually be bounced into that exact policy by the MHRA – I think @Charles was saying that they are likely to restrict it to under 55s.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
There was no real concept of "riot police" in NI.
The B Specials?
They wouldn't be recognised as riot police as the term is used in Mainland UK. If you were being serious.
The had unparalleled ability to get riots going...
Bit like the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad.
At one point they were *committing* a considerable proportion of the serious crimes perpetrated in the West Midlands
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
Why would you expect a virus with a mortality rate of somewhere around 1%, which doesn't kill those who die until weeks after they became infectious, to tend to become less deadly any time soon ? Infectiousness is a different matter, though that's likely to be pretty complicated given you're starting with a pretty infectious virus in the first place.
Because death at the end correlates with more serious illness in the middle correlates with more significant symptoms at the beginning correlates with people who stay in bed rather than shrugging off being under the weather and hitting the party.
But as we know with this virus, those infected are at their most infectious well before they develop serious symptoms.
Apart from reducing the case, reducing the numbers going into hospital, reducing the numbers in hospital and reducing the numbers dying.... Apart from that, lockdown achieved nothing.
Yep. Can't figure out what action actually led to cases rising again. Should have gone till Christmas.
It was hot broth with a drain cleaner chaser that bought the fake case numbers down. Obviously.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
Why would you expect a virus with a mortality rate of somewhere around 1%, which doesn't kill those who die until weeks after they became infectious, to tend to become less deadly any time soon ? Infectiousness is a different matter, though that's likely to be pretty complicated given you're starting with a pretty infectious virus in the first place.
Because death at the end correlates with more serious illness in the middle correlates with more significant symptoms at the beginning correlates with people who stay in bed rather than shrugging off being under the weather and hitting the party.
But as we know with this virus, those infected are at their most infectious well before they develop serious symptoms.
The last figures I saw where that 41% of infectivity was before FIRST symptoms.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
HYUFD ... let me appeal to your better, baser nature.
In due time, the Epping Forest Conservative Association will be looking for a successor to Eleanor Laing MP (age 62, Deputy Speaker, surely soon to be Lady Laing of Renfrewshire.)
They will be looking for a personable, young man. Someone who can defend the Tory cause through thick & thin -- ready with a soothing excuse when a Tory grandee has run amuck with a machine gun or been caught cavorting naked with a rent boy in a bee-hive.
They will see that there is an obvious candidate among them who has defended the indefensible. That personable young man could be you, HYUFD MP. The third member of pb.com (after Nick Palmer and TissuePrice) to be elevated to the HoC.
It is a plum safe seat.
But nowadays, the great bane of the aspiring political hack is the old social media profile. Consider then, your blog posts.
It might then be awkward if your postings indicated psychopathic tendencies to roll tanks over Northern or Western England to subdue unruly Celtic outposts. It is of course an advantage to be a sociopath in modern politics. But, not a blatant one.
So, moderate these postings, HYUFD. I speak as someone with your best interests at heart. Leave Scotland, Wales and Ireland to those who know something about them.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
HYUFD ... let me appeal to your better, baser nature.
In due time, the Epping Forest Conservative Association will be looking for a successor to Eleanor Laing MP (age 62, Deputy Speaker, surely soon to be Lady Laing of Renfrewshire.)
They will be looking for a personable, young man. Someone who can defend the Tory cause through thick & thin -- ready with a soothing excuse when a Tory grandee has run amuck with a machine gun or been caught cavorting naked with a rent boy in a bee-hive.
They will see that there is an obvious candidate among them who has defended the indefensible. That personable young man could be you, HYUFD MP. The third member of pb.com (after Nick Palmer and TissuePrice) to be elevated to the HoC.
It is a plum safe seat.
But nowadays, the great bane of the aspiring political hack is the old social media profile. Consider then, your blog posts.
It might then be awkward if your postings indicated psychopathic tendencies to roll tanks over Northern or Western England to subdue unruly Celtic outposts. It is of course an advantage to be a sociopath in modern politics. But, not a blatant one.
So, moderate these postings, HYUFD. I speak as someone with your best interests at heart. Leave Scotland, Wales and Ireland to those who know something about them.
Trump still ahead, but it is now 56/36. What a nail biter!!
Spoiler alert: Trump loses.
(If not, Betfair is going to melt.....)
LOL. I don't think Trump agrees with you. A new idea floated by the seditionist Sydney Powell is that Trump can have his intelligence bods issue a report stating that foreign powers influenced the election to gift it to Biden, and on the basis of that report, assume far-reaching emergency Presidential powers, and on the basis of these, remain in office under emergency powers.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
HYUFD ... let me appeal to your better, baser nature.
In due time, the Epping Forest Conservative Association will be looking for a successor to Eleanor Laing MP (age 62, Deputy Speaker, surely soon to be Lady Laing of Renfrewshire.)
They will be looking for a personable, young man. Someone who can defend the Tory cause through thick & thin -- ready with a soothing excuse when a Tory grandee has run amuck with a machine gun or been caught cavorting naked with a rent boy in a bee-hive.
They will see that there is an obvious candidate among them who has defended the indefensible. That personable young man could be you, HYUFD MP. The third member of pb.com (after Nick Palmer and TissuePrice) to be elevated to the HoC.
It is a plum safe seat.
But nowadays, the great bane of the aspiring political hack is the old social media profile. Consider then, your blog posts.
It might then be awkward if your postings indicated psychopathic tendencies to roll tanks over Northern or Western England to subdue unruly Celtic outposts. It is of course an advantage to be a sociopath in modern politics. But, not a blatant one.
So, moderate these postings, HYUFD. I speak as someone with your best interests at heart. Leave Scotland, Wales and Ireland to those who know something about them.
A lot of hypotheticals there, I am not on the Parliamentary candidates list and may decide never to even stand for Parliament but if I do there is certainly no apology I need to make for supporting government policy of no indyref2 for a generation and not giving into the SNP.
Maintaining law and order in the event of hypothetical riots which again may never happen is also not the same as advocating rolling tanks across everywhere north of Watford which I again have never done.
Hancock says “highly unlikely they won’t work” ... Geeks at Portondown on the case.
This is potentially disasterous....
Good news! We have a vaccine!
[TWO WEEKS LATER]
The vaccine doesn't work on this new London strain
I personally would really appreciate toning down this sort of doom mongering. If you're wrong, it's not helpful, if you're right, it's not helpful either.
Apologies. I was not making a serious prediction! When things are bad I make jokes. Laughing is funnier than crying after all.
The more serious prediction would be that, with each mutation tending towards more contagious but less deadly (as you would expect from an evolutionary perspective), COVID will eventually finish up being seen as just another type of flu, with its annual death toll (of the unvaccinated, if immunity proves lasting).
Why would you expect a virus with a mortality rate of somewhere around 1%, which doesn't kill those who die until weeks after they became infectious, to tend to become less deadly any time soon ? Infectiousness is a different matter, though that's likely to be pretty complicated given you're starting with a pretty infectious virus in the first place.
Because death at the end correlates with more serious illness in the middle correlates with more significant symptoms at the beginning correlates with people who stay in bed rather than shrugging off being under the weather and hitting the party.
But as we know with this virus, those infected are at their most infectious well before they develop serious symptoms.
Yes, but more serious infections tend to produce more serious symptoms, and milder infections milder ones. So a milder infection is also likely to have more people who are asymptomatic (or who don’t notice whatever mild symptoms they might have) and go about their life as normal. Such a virus would spread more quickly.
The only way your position (that there’s no difference) would work is if contagion disappeared before any symptoms arise. I don’t believe that is the case?
Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.
Smells like capitulation
Funny - I was reading yesterday that the EU has dropped the ratchet approach - have they capitulated too? Its called negotiation.
The EU's movement consists of finding a different way to package the same thing in a way that makes it presentationally acceptable to the UK government. That's not the same as a concession on the substance.
It’s neither. Both sides are actually moving. It’s a genuine compromise. I understand how this might upset remoaners who desire nothing but British defeat and surrender but what can you do. Yours is a pathology
They can't bear the idea that the UK and EU are equals in anything, the EU must always be more powerful or better. That isn't the case and it never has been. One of the reasons we're in this position is Barnier actually believing that and it's taken UVdL sidelining him to unlock a deal.
Tbf I think the EU - courtesy of Macron - took a maximalist position and refused to cave to the 11th hour, believing we would yield and they would win all. A fair enough position, given their relative strength.
As it happens Boris is a bit bonkers and refused to surrender, so the EU has budged, somewhat, to a stance they would probably have accepted anyway. It’s not a triumph for either side (if it happens) tho both sides will sell it thus. It’s a negotiated deal. Is all. But it’s enough. Let’s hope it works.
I think our remainers encouraged that view, very much like Edward VIII writing to Hitler and telling him to continue bombing London because the British would eventually sue for peace.
I don’t like to get personal but you should reread that and think about it. It is really quite offensive bollocks - the idea that the EU is like the Nazis and that people who think Britain should be in the EU are quisling traitors.
You seem quite incapable of understanding that people who do not share your view are not evil but just have a different opinion to you. You seem not to understand that there are people in Europe who have real memories of what it was like to live under Nazi rule (my elderly relatives for one) and who view with some contempt people from later generations living in a country which had the very good fortune not to be subject to such rule pathetically using incorrect historical analogies to make themselves look big and the other side look bad.
Grow up. You have the right to post bollocks on sites like this one because people like my father fought to keep this country and the rest of Europe free. He worked as a doctor in Belsen after it was liberated. He knew what Nazism was. The EU wanting to impose tariffs on a trading partner, even unilaterally, is so far away from Nazism as to be in the next galaxy.
If “Remainers” are not reconciled to the Brexit project it is because they see all too many Leavers spouting offensive, ignorant nonsense such as this. Wanting a different relationship with the EU is an honourable project. But this - the constant harking back to and misuse of WW2 to justify a Brexit which has been - let’s be kind - poorly handled, well it’s pathetic and deserves all the scorn and contempt I can lob at it.
No, you just can't bear the idea that there are people in this country who seek to undermine it. The situation is obviously not the same and the EU clearly aren't the Nazi party. My point is that there have been people in the UK talking to the EU and encouraging them to take a more confrontational position rather than seek compromise as they have begun doing. There are people who have built up the myth that the UK will "capitulate" and that kind of thinking has led to the EU holding on to their no compromise position basically until a couple of weeks ago when they realised that they have been badly advised.
Just an FYI, my grandfather fought in the war and my great grandfather in the first world war. I mean no disrespect in drawing the comparison, it was a situation back then where bad advice from a traitor led to misery in the UK. I think even you can see that if you'd take a second and drop the faux outrage.
Anyway, more than anything else I want there to be a deal between the UK and EU that will hold together for more than a few months. It's starting to look like that will happen because the EU are compromising, if the likes of Barnier and co weren't told by "well informed" Brits that the UK would eventually fold either way we'd have reached this position much earlier and we wouldn't be days away from the disaster of no deal.
There is nothing fake about my outrage.
You have no basis for saying that the EU has been badly advised by Remainers here in the U.K. You know nothing about what has been going on or whether a deal has been reached or what it says. Wanting a deal with the EU or to remain in the EU does not amount to undermining Britain. What you cannot bear is that the Brexit project you support has been appallingly badly handled by those who promoted it. Rather than place the responsibility where it belongs, we have this constant meme about traitors and Remoaners and people undermining Britain and all the rest of it just because those who want Brexit cannot accept responsibility for what they have done and said and are doing.
The EU is not an enemy. The countries within it are not our enemies. The biggest “enemies” - if we have to use such language - of Britain and the chances of it succeeding in the course it has now embarked on are those who see and speak of Britain and its neighbours in such Manichaean terms.
There were well attested stories of various senior Remainer politicians talking to the EU team prior to the withdrawal agreement having been signed. I haven’t seen any of those stories recently.
But I remain very critical of people who talked to the EU outside of the official channels prior to the withdrawal agreement
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
He called for a 2 week firebreak
Which didn’t work when Drakeford attempted it
He’s just playing a basic game of calling for stricter measures - making himself appear tougher than the government. It’s not “foresight” just shamelessness
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
You do appear to be oblivious to the fact that LABOUR ARE RUNNING WALES.
It is a curious blindspot of so many Labour posters on pb.com.
Labour don't have to posture or pontificate uselessly. They can demonstrate their superior pandemic-handling skills by direct example -- by running Wales well.
If you read above, I said Christmas easing going ahead is the collective Government of all nations' Black Wednesday if it goes above.
Keir has been spot on, Welsh Labour ended their lockdown far too early. We ended ours far too early.
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
The problem of using riot police is that in a seccesionary situation they may well side with the protestors.
In Northern Ireland it was the British military who maintained order ultimately in the Troubles, riot police just played a supporting role, though of course as Westminster is sovereign Westminster could also take direct control of Police Scotland if needed and weed out secessionists
We have 2 aircraft carriers, Spain has zero and we have more submarines than they do.
We do not need tanks to deal with Scotland, legally Westminster is sovereign so any referendum without Westminster consent would be illegal.
Riot police and the military police can maintain order north of the border otherwise as the Spanish civil guard did in Catalonia if absolutely necessary.
Why do you always bite?
Because he takes it seriously?
I didn't even know the UK has any equivaslent of the Unidad de Intervención Policial.
Most police forces in the UK are responsible to Boris and the Scottish military swears an oath of loyalty to the Queen not Sturgeon
But where is the riot police of which you speak? That is what I meant.
And there is no such thing as a Scottish military. Only a UK military.
The UK military can manage riots if needed as it did in Northern Ireland
You have still not told me where this riot POLICE is that you were talking about. It is clearly different from the Military Polivce but I cant' find it anywhere.
The British armed forces were deployed in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007 to control riots, man checkpoints, carry out raids of suspected terrorists etc.
If Scottish nationalists turned violent the British government would simply have to do the same in Scotland and deploy British soldiers on Scottish streets and man checkpoints of Scottish roads.
If necessary UK riot police from outside Scotland could also be moved north of the border
‘Simply’!
And things went so well with the army in Ireland.
The only consolation from idiotic commentary like this is that it will disqualify you from any future serious political career.
Yes, ultimately the IRA were forced to negotiating table and peace was restored.
If you think restoring order in Scotland if Scottish Nationalists go down the IRA route or turn to mob tactics and riots would not be popular in Tory circles, especially in Essex, I would like to know what you are drinking? We Tories are the party of the Union and law and order.
For goodness sake it was Ted Heath who first deployed British troops in Northern Ireland and he was about as wet a Tory as you can get, one thing Tories are united on is we will not give in to the SNP as we did not give in to Sinn Fein
It was Harold Wilson who first deployed British troops in N. Ireland.
(I would strongly recommend that you do not post further on Scotland, Wales & Ireland).
Wilson first deployed them in response to riots but the Falls Curfew, Operation Demetrius etc were all launched under Heath.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
HYUFD ... let me appeal to your better, baser nature.
In due time, the Epping Forest Conservative Association will be looking for a successor to Eleanor Laing MP (age 62, Deputy Speaker, surely soon to be Lady Laing of Renfrewshire.)
They will be looking for a personable, young man. Someone who can defend the Tory cause through thick & thin -- ready with a soothing excuse when a Tory grandee has run amuck with a machine gun or been caught cavorting naked with a rent boy in a bee-hive.
They will see that there is an obvious candidate among them who has defended the indefensible. That personable young man could be you, HYUFD MP. The third member of pb.com (after Nick Palmer and TissuePrice) to be elevated to the HoC.
It is a plum safe seat.
But nowadays, the great bane of the aspiring political hack is the old social media profile. Consider then, your blog posts.
It might then be awkward if your postings indicated psychopathic tendencies to roll tanks over Northern or Western England to subdue unruly Celtic outposts. It is of course an advantage to be a sociopath in modern politics. But, not a blatant one.
So, moderate these postings, HYUFD. I speak as someone with your best interests at heart. Leave Scotland, Wales and Ireland to those who know something about them.
A lot of hypotheticals there, I am not on the Parliamentary candidates list and may decide never to even stand for Parliament but if I do there is certainly no apology I need to make for supporting government policy of no indyref2 for a generation and not giving into the SNP.
Maintaining law and order in the event of hypothetical riots which again may never happen is also not the same as advocating rolling tanks across everywhere north of Watford which I again have never done.
Sound advice from my neighbour.
I would have though you would be in with a shout when people like Chope, Davies, Francoise and Bridgen made the cut.
Ashworth makes the point that Tier 3 just isn't enough. ManCock whines about getting the public health message out. The one that says its Patriotic to get out and shop and then travel the length of the country for a mass spreader event.
In two weeks when the Government announces another surge he will be Captain Foresight again.
Keir has consistently been ahead of the curve and if he'd been running things we would have had far fewer deaths. That is beyond dispute at this time.
You do appear to be oblivious to the fact that LABOUR ARE RUNNING WALES.
It is a curious blindspot of so many Labour posters on pb.com.
Labour don't have to posture or pontificate uselessly. They can demonstrate their superior pandemic-handling skills by direct example -- by running Wales well.
If you read above, I said Christmas easing going ahead is the collective Government of all nations' Black Wednesday if it goes above.
Keir has been spot on, Welsh Labour ended their lockdown far too early. We ended ours far too early.
But that doesn't stop Keir having been right.
He didn’t call for a lockdown
He called for a TWO WEEK lockdown
He was wrong
It was, but a later, longer lockdown also seems to be flawed. With all due respect to the politicians, including Johnson, maybe if the punters don't play nicely, that negates the effect of lockdowns.
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You'd think the "plan" could have contained measures for ensuring continuity ...
Sturgeon is flailing around going "before the Christmas unlocking please voluntarily lock yourself down as hard as possible"
We are on a terminal course now.
Via farcebook friends-of-freinds.....
It seems that a couple were planning an illegal birthday party. Someone let slip that they had tested positive for COVID... which means that attendance is going to be a bit down.
The selfishness - apparently, it's the person who let people know that they had COVID and would be in the quarantine period..... They ruined the party.....
It wasn't at all funny and unfortunately there is no such thing as a closed network, so such comments get picked up by loons and are very quickly all over the internet.
That's the world we live in nowadays, I'm afraid. Sad, I know, but there it is.
And only really old people on the verge of death are affected.
And it's only caught in hospitals.
And it's because PCR tests pick up dead virus which mysteriously keeps floating around and shoving itself up peoples noses.
Because it all ended in June and there's no second wave and it's all false positives and hospitals are empty and we've got pre-existing herd immunity and it's all to protect the scientists [insert name calling here] because every Government everywhere in the world is part of a conspiracy and face nappies and boo.
Infectiousness is a different matter, though that's likely to be pretty complicated given you're starting with a pretty infectious virus in the first place.
I will of course continue to post what I like in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, especially while we also have nationalists posting their anti British agenda here
Aber already has to bear the cross of Neil Mostyn Hamilton ... and YDoethur 😁
I saw him calling @Carnyx an effing oat-eater – which I suspect might have triggered the racism trapdoor?
You`re obvs with the latter - and I`d agree normally. Normally.
Keep posting.
PB is awesome, init?
Turning Scotland into 1970s Belfast isn’t going to end the way you think it would.
The response I put forward would be only a last resort, given the UK government is committed to 2014 being a once in a generation referendum and if the SNP accept that then no problem, if the SNP go down the route of Sinn Fein in the 1970s and 1980s then nothing would be off the table from the British government perspective in response
https://twitter.com/270toWin/status/1338510919794642946?s=19
So far...
Incidentally, one the FB group for my cohort of Lampeter alumns there's a currently a thread on "So who do we think was actually the Special Branch agent then?"
You are an embarrassment to any decent conservative and your views on violence against Scotland are sick
[spolier alert: no...]
I know admissions will rise soon but they rose sooner in England, so I'm hoping all the midges stop hospitalisations happening or something.
Don't take my hope away from me.
*as 15000 are occupied by Covid-19 patients.
And it's probably a lot worse in the recent weeks for which data is not yet available.
From the ICNARC report on Friday:
The various grey lines are the levels from 2016, 2017, 2018, and 2019.
(Which it was, until mid October slouched past with barely a ripple of excitement.)
Apart from reducing the case, reducing the numbers going into hospital, reducing the numbers in hospital and reducing the numbers dying.... Apart from that, lockdown achieved nothing.
Only a vaccine will make a difference now.
Should have gone till Christmas.
Reading you blithly advocating military action as if it were some sort of normal outcome is the visual equivalent of fingernails being scraped down a blackboard - although I guess for you it was whiteboards and PowerPoint.
You also need a history lesson. The catalyst for the NI troubles was not some the constitutional dispute - although that was ultimately the fuel that fed the fire. It was the shameless trampling of the civil rights of the Catholic population that London did nothing to stop that triggered open insurrection. Nationalists in NI would always have opposed partition, as Nationalists in Scotland will always oppose the Act of Union, but it took civil rights violations to drive people away from consitutional nationalism to physical force republicanism. The eventualities you describe are very different.
So, let's bloody get on with it and have the young guns jabbed with the cheap and cheerful, quick Oxon juice and save the potent, trickier stuff for the oldies.
As you say, the govt might actually be bounced into that exact policy by the MHRA – I think @Charles was saying that they are likely to restrict it to under 55s.
At one point they were *committing* a considerable proportion of the serious crimes perpetrated in the West Midlands
In due time, the Epping Forest Conservative Association will be looking for a successor to Eleanor Laing MP (age 62, Deputy Speaker, surely soon to be Lady Laing of Renfrewshire.)
They will be looking for a personable, young man. Someone who can defend the Tory cause through thick & thin -- ready with a soothing excuse when a Tory grandee has run amuck with a machine gun or been caught cavorting naked with a rent boy in a bee-hive.
They will see that there is an obvious candidate among them who has defended the indefensible. That personable young man could be you, HYUFD MP. The third member of pb.com (after Nick Palmer and TissuePrice) to be elevated to the HoC.
It is a plum safe seat.
But nowadays, the great bane of the aspiring political hack is the old social media profile. Consider then, your blog posts.
It might then be awkward if your postings indicated psychopathic tendencies to roll tanks over Northern or Western England to subdue unruly Celtic outposts. It is of course an advantage to be a sociopath in modern politics. But, not a blatant one.
So, moderate these postings, HYUFD. I speak as someone with your best interests at heart. Leave Scotland, Wales and Ireland to those who know something about them.
(If not, Betfair is going to melt.....)
Maintaining law and order in the event of hypothetical riots which again may never happen is also not the same as advocating rolling tanks across everywhere north of Watford which I again have never done.
The only way your position (that there’s no difference) would work is if contagion disappeared before any symptoms arise. I don’t believe that is the case?
But I remain very critical of people who talked to the EU outside of the official channels prior to the withdrawal agreement
Which didn’t work when Drakeford attempted it
He’s just playing a basic game of calling for stricter measures - making himself appear tougher than the government. It’s not “foresight” just shamelessness
He called for a TWO WEEK lockdown
He was wrong
https://twitter.com/jason_koebler/status/1338472312253734912?s=20
I would have though you would be in with a shout when people like Chope, Davies, Francoise and Bridgen made the cut.