Two warnings for Johnson in today’s YouGov poll – politicalbetting.com
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There’s only 61 of them, when are they going to find the time to attend Holyrood?HYUFD said:0 -
It’s fake in that even on those days Covid was a small percentage of all American deaths on those days. I also seriously doubt that there were not several more bloody days in the Civil War. But it does rather vividly put the current carnage into perspective.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Although it's probably inaccurate and out of date as https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-us-logs-3157-more-coronavirus-deaths-a-record-for-a-single-day-12150371 says there was 3157 on 1 day
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It worked for the SPFL.....RobD said:
Holding back the meals until they've been re-elected? Shocking.Carnyx said:
At this rate the Tories will be wanting an indy referendum on Boxing Day. It's already SNP policy to have free meals if reelected in May.HYUFD said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/28/snp-conference-free-breakfast-lunch-primary-john-swinney
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And they will do it all again at Christmas.....Scott_xP said:0 -
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.0 -
From a higher baseline.FrancisUrquhart said:
And they will do it all again at Christmas.....Scott_xP said:0 -
Boris entering Brussels tonight with a motorcade that would not shame a US President
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Approximately a million died over four years. That averages at just under 700 per day on average but I would have thought some days would be much bloodier and some days less. Only a single day of Antietam being on the list just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.Alistair said:
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.0 -
But the same applies to the rest (lots of Americans died of other things on 9/11, Pearl Harbor day etc.) Antietam is widely regarded as the bloodiest battle of the Civil War. The English equivalent is Towton, where estimates vary enormously from contemporary claims of 20-30,000 dead to modern estimates of 3,000 odd. 20,000 Allied troops died on the first day of the Somme.DavidL said:
It’s fake in that even on those days Covid was a small percentage of all American deaths on those days. I also seriously doubt that there were not several more bloody days in the Civil War. But it does rather vividly put the current carnage into perspective.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Although it's probably inaccurate and out of date as https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-us-logs-3157-more-coronavirus-deaths-a-record-for-a-single-day-12150371 says there was 3157 on 1 day0 -
The Covid numbers are accurate although out of date now already as there have since been two 2900+ days.Philip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
9/11 will soon (today?) lose its 3rd place slot to Covid.0 -
https://twitter.com/GraemeDemianyk/status/1336760812493393920HYUFD said:Boris entering Brussels tonight with a motorcade that would not shame a US President
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The point is he's a unionist, and plenty who might otherwise vote blue or orange choose to vote red to keep the yellows out.Roger said:
Hey you've got to be polite to your local MP! And anyway he's far from a Tory. Further I'd say than Nicola.Theuniondivvie said:
Almost certainly Ian Murray so hold for Red Toryism; the best of both worlds (for certain folk)!Foxy said:
One non SNP seat in Scotland?HYUFD said:The Yougov poll voting intention figures give Tories 300, Labour 263, SNP 58, LDs 6 with Electoral Calculus.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1336672178981449731?s=20
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=38&LAB=38&LIB=6&Brexit=3&Green=5&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=19.3&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=5.7&SCOTBrexit=1&SCOTGreen=1.7&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=51.7&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019
So the Tories would be largest party but Starmer would be PM with SNP and LD support, the Labour and SNP and LD combined total coming to 327 MPs, an overall majority of 1.
It would be the first time the party with most seats failed to form the UK government since Baldwin's Tories won most seats in 1923 but Macdonald's Labour formed a government with Asquith's Liberals.
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It's estimated to be 750,000 but no one has the details as they paid more attention to who was where far more than who died whenPhilip_Thompson said:
Approximately a million died over four years. That averages at just under 700 per day on average but I would have thought some days would be much bloodier and some days less. Only a single day of Antietam being on the list just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.Alistair said:
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_casualties#Poor_records has a quick overview.0 -
Covid-19 is now the number 1 cause of death in the USA, ahead of either cardiovascular disease or cancer.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Although it's probably inaccurate and out of date as https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-us-logs-3157-more-coronavirus-deaths-a-record-for-a-single-day-12150371 says there was 3157 on 1 day
https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid+deaths+usa&cvid=9d2b4b1639654e469155deb6349846ce&FORM=ANAB01&PC=U531 also has a chart with daily new deaths on it.0 -
Estimates vary, up to a million according to that page. Either way seems hard to believe there were no individual days other than one day of Antietam that led to over 2.5k dead.eek said:
It's estimated to be 750,000 but no one has the details as they paid more attention to who was where far more than who died whenPhilip_Thompson said:
Approximately a million died over four years. That averages at just under 700 per day on average but I would have thought some days would be much bloodier and some days less. Only a single day of Antietam being on the list just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.Alistair said:
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War_casualties#Poor_records has a quick overview.0 -
Facebook's ownership of Instagram AND WhatsApp is a disgraceful monopoly. What's more, they deliberately make Instagram harder to use and crappier in effect, so it won't compete with FB: eg no iPad app for Instagram, a medium absolutely designed for large format screensTheScreamingEagles said:
FB should be dismembered. It's a classically malign monopoly1 -
Wikipedia confirms it.Philip_Thompson said:
Approximately a million died over four years. That averages at just under 700 per day on average but I would have thought some days would be much bloodier and some days less. Only a single day of Antietam being on the list just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.Alistair said:
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.0 -
It looks to me like the face of a man trying to work out what the hell Ian Blackford is moaning about now.MikeSmithson said:
Thanks Roger. I noticed this cutaway to Boris during PMQs, did a screen grab, and thought it would make a great header picRoger said:If a great picture captures the sitter's personality the one above is a masterpiece
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glaikitDavidL said:
It looks to me like the face of a man trying to work out what the hell Ian Blackford is moaning about now.MikeSmithson said:
Thanks Roger. I noticed this cutaway to Boris during PMQs, did a screen grab, and thought it would make a great header picRoger said:If a great picture captures the sitter's personality the one above is a masterpiece
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Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague2 -
Well nearly 3,500 were killed at Shiloh, by far the majority on the first day https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shilohkjh said:
Wikipedia confirms it.Philip_Thompson said:
Approximately a million died over four years. That averages at just under 700 per day on average but I would have thought some days would be much bloodier and some days less. Only a single day of Antietam being on the list just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.Alistair said:
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.0 -
I think Antietam/Sharpsburg was particularly bloody, because it took place on a single day, while Gettysburg stretched across three days, for example. Shiloh was particularly brutal too for similar reasons.Philip_Thompson said:
Approximately a million died over four years. That averages at just under 700 per day on average but I would have thought some days would be much bloodier and some days less. Only a single day of Antietam being on the list just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.Alistair said:
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.
Considering the recorded deaths were 3600, and the high mortality of wounds in those days, that the later deaths from wounds would be of a similar order.
Normalised to the 2012 US population, Civil War deaths would be 7.5 million.0 -
Gettysburg was deadlier, but it was spread out over three days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Towton in the Wars of the Roses had somewhere between five and ten thousand dead, depending on the source. I read somewhere that 2% of the male population of England died in that battle.0 -
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague1 -
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The five-year “readmission agreement”, which was signed in 2015 and expired on Monday, lay out terms for Chinese agents to travel to Switzerland and interview suspected Chinese nationals that Swiss authorities wished to deport.
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I assume there must be some heavy censorship going on, else where are all the rolling news channel reports about the over-capacity, over-stretched, overwhelmed US healthcare system? I'm not disputing the figures, I'm just surprised it isn't more of, well, a story, if it's so bad.0
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European turbot is mainly caught in UK waters. The Channel, Cornwall, the North SeaScott_xP said:
Nice piece of symbolism/trolling
https://www.eumofa.eu/documents/20178/114389/Turbot+in+the+EU#:~:text=Turbot is mostly caught in,reached 5.881 tonnes in 2015.0 -
And Gettysburg and Vicksburg were on the same day of July 4th 1863. The former was the bloodiest battle of the war. Add on a General Grant victory, which rarely came cheap and we have a much higher figure.0
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Could be worse, could be having the Sputnik vaccine...
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Here PM, you can have your fish and eat it.LadyG said:
European turbot is mainly caught in UK waters. The Channel, Cornwall, the North SeaScott_xP said:
Nice piece of symbolism/trolling
https://www.eumofa.eu/documents/20178/114389/Turbot+in+the+EU#:~:text=Turbot is mostly caught in,reached 5.881 tonnes in 2015.
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I cannot see any way back for her and the others may find it difficult to continue on SkyLadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague0 -
How can she possibly question erring ministers/SPADS when she has so contemptuously ignored the lockdown rules? She can't. And that's her job. She will be very lucky to survive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I cannot see any way back for her and the others may find it difficult to continue on SkyLadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague
A shame. I quite like her.
Beth Rigby.....,mmmm..... I can cope without1 -
The problem with that is that it is a Scottish momarchy first and foremost!Luckyguy1983 said:
I think the Queen did subtly do her best to influence both refs - Indy against and Brexit for, without explicitly endorsing her preferred outcome.Theuniondivvie said:
If she'd said similar before the EU referendum, the streets would have been strewn with prolapsing Faragistas.Philip_Thompson said:
Saying "think very carefully" during a referendum really ought to not be shocking.Theuniondivvie said:
Precisely, it's not necessarily such comments in themselves, it's the fawning amplification of them by our media, particularly our state broadcaster.Carnyx said:
Given the massive media attention any time a minor royal breaks wind, and the huge attention to HMTQ's comment re indyref at the time, I wouldn't be so sure.
There was something about itr in a recentlyt published political memoir, too, which rather emphasised the impoirtance Mr Cameron placed on getting Her Maj to come out with it, which ctrengthen's TSE's point considerably. But I fotget he details, not being a slavish royalist (was put off for life byt doing a scrapbook for Cub Scouts and readingf that book by Her Maj's nanny/governess).
In any case once we have a new sovereigh and PM the wish to retain a monarchy will change downwards.
'queen says scots should think very carefully' gives 13.5million hits on Google, with this at the top.
I'd be like "I've thought carefully about it and am voting Yes".
I think there's some justification for that action in the national importance of both these events. Nobody would think twice about the Royal family supporting the UK against an external aggressor, so it seems somewhat unrealistic to expect them to be blase about the prospect of internal political dissolution, or (and I accept this is a more niche perspective) of external political subsumption. I wouldn't expect the monarch to take a view on other political issues.0 -
Adam Boulton wouldn't be sad to see Death Rigby getting the boot.LadyG said:
How can she possibly question erring ministers/SPADS when she has so contemptuously ignored the lockdown rules? She can't. And that's her job. She will be very lucky to survive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I cannot see any way back for her and the others may find it difficult to continue on SkyLadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague
A shame. I quite like her.
Beth Rigby.....,mmmm..... I can cope without
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I read somewhere that the head of Gamelya said it was only six days. And now I can't find it and am mildly annoyed.Foxy said:Could be worse, could be having the Sputnik vaccine...
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Nice one, momarchy.Carnyx said:
The problem with that is that it is a Scottish momarchy first and foremost!Luckyguy1983 said:
I think the Queen did subtly do her best to influence both refs - Indy against and Brexit for, without explicitly endorsing her preferred outcome.Theuniondivvie said:
If she'd said similar before the EU referendum, the streets would have been strewn with prolapsing Faragistas.Philip_Thompson said:
Saying "think very carefully" during a referendum really ought to not be shocking.Theuniondivvie said:
Precisely, it's not necessarily such comments in themselves, it's the fawning amplification of them by our media, particularly our state broadcaster.Carnyx said:
Given the massive media attention any time a minor royal breaks wind, and the huge attention to HMTQ's comment re indyref at the time, I wouldn't be so sure.
There was something about itr in a recentlyt published political memoir, too, which rather emphasised the impoirtance Mr Cameron placed on getting Her Maj to come out with it, which ctrengthen's TSE's point considerably. But I fotget he details, not being a slavish royalist (was put off for life byt doing a scrapbook for Cub Scouts and readingf that book by Her Maj's nanny/governess).
In any case once we have a new sovereigh and PM the wish to retain a monarchy will change downwards.
'queen says scots should think very carefully' gives 13.5million hits on Google, with this at the top.
I'd be like "I've thought carefully about it and am voting Yes".
I think there's some justification for that action in the national importance of both these events. Nobody would think twice about the Royal family supporting the UK against an external aggressor, so it seems somewhat unrealistic to expect them to be blase about the prospect of internal political dissolution, or (and I accept this is a more niche perspective) of external political subsumption. I wouldn't expect the monarch to take a view on other political issues.
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This sort of thing you mean?solarflare said:I assume there must be some heavy censorship going on, else where are all the rolling news channel reports about the over-capacity, over-stretched, overwhelmed US healthcare system? I'm not disputing the figures, I'm just surprised it isn't more of, well, a story, if it's so bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gxeOXoals0 -
Nonsense. Boris has been at his Churchillian best all day, the UK are on for a bloody good result this evening.LadyG said:
The bottom line is Rosy is not in the same league as Boris as tough negotiator. The EU may have some good arguments, but that means zilch when comes down to a negotiation, the better negotiator wins regardless of the hand dealt.
The UK wanted it to come down to this. Boris v Rosy. UK wins. This is the guy who negotiated the brexit win with the voters, negotiated to be PM, then destroyed the Labour Party in its heartlands negotiating with the voters.
Disagree? You actually think Rosy is a tougher, better negotiator than Boris is? Just based on your prejudice not fact.
It’s like the Battle of Britain tonight. Blighty v Germany. If Global Britain were to last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was his finest hour.”2 -
lolgealbhan said:
Nonsense. Boris has been at his Churchillian best all day, the UK are on for a bloody good result this evening.LadyG said:
The bottom line is Rosy is not in the same league as Boris as tough negotiator. The EU may have some good arguments, but that means zilch when comes down to a negotiation, the better negotiator wins regardless of the hand dealt.
The UK wanted it to come down to this. Boris v Rosy. UK wins. This is the guy who negotiated the brexit win with the voters, negotiated to be PM, then destroyed the Labour Party in its heartlands negotiating with the voters.
Disagree? You actually think Rosy is a tougher, better negotiator than Boris is? Just based on your prejudice not fact.
It’s like the Battle of Britain tonight. Blighty v Germany. If Global Britain were to last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was his finest hour.”1 -
Go Boris!HYUFD said:Boris entering Brussels tonight with a motorcade that would not shame a US President
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Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXbDQBsFFIEgealbhan said:
Nonsense. Boris has been at his Churchillian best all day, the UK are on for a bloody good result this evening.LadyG said:
The bottom line is Rosy is not in the same league as Boris as tough negotiator. The EU may have some good arguments, but that means zilch when comes down to a negotiation, the better negotiator wins regardless of the hand dealt.
The UK wanted it to come down to this. Boris v Rosy. UK wins. This is the guy who negotiated the brexit win with the voters, negotiated to be PM, then destroyed the Labour Party in its heartlands negotiating with the voters.
Disagree? You actually think Rosy is a tougher, better negotiator than Boris is? Just based on your prejudice not fact.
It’s like the Battle of Britain tonight. Blighty v Germany. If Global Britain were to last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was his finest hour.”
(I do so like that film, I must admit.)0 -
Vicksburg was a siege: the 4th of July was when the confederates finally gave up as they were starving, so I doubt too many died on that day.DavidL said:And Gettysburg and Vicksburg were on the same day of July 4th 1863. The former was the bloodiest battle of the war. Add on a General Grant victory, which rarely came cheap and we have a much higher figure.
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Not waiting for the EU scheme?
https://www.msn.com/en-au/lifestyle/wellbeing/poland-has-bought-over-60-million-covid-19-vaccine-doses-pm-says/ar-BB1bJGsV1 -
What do you mean, that is way down on the peak....at one point a few weeks ago they were at 20-30k cases a day, with a positivity rate through the roof.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
And it got zero coverage.0 -
Or this from ABC yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lXE4gV-PKQsolarflare said:I assume there must be some heavy censorship going on, else where are all the rolling news channel reports about the over-capacity, over-stretched, overwhelmed US healthcare system? I'm not disputing the figures, I'm just surprised it isn't more of, well, a story, if it's so bad.
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Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
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Germany's approach post lockdown #1 looks a bit strange. Their first reaction, test like crazy, close the borders, lockdown hard, and it worked fairlh well....then they went foreign summer holidays for all and a much softer lockdown second time around.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.0 -
That’s the spirit.Carnyx said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXbDQBsFFIEgealbhan said:
Nonsense. Boris has been at his Churchillian best all day, the UK are on for a bloody good result this evening.LadyG said:
The bottom line is Rosy is not in the same league as Boris as tough negotiator. The EU may have some good arguments, but that means zilch when comes down to a negotiation, the better negotiator wins regardless of the hand dealt.
The UK wanted it to come down to this. Boris v Rosy. UK wins. This is the guy who negotiated the brexit win with the voters, negotiated to be PM, then destroyed the Labour Party in its heartlands negotiating with the voters.
Disagree? You actually think Rosy is a tougher, better negotiator than Boris is? Just based on your prejudice not fact.
It’s like the Battle of Britain tonight. Blighty v Germany. If Global Britain were to last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was his finest hour.”
(I do so like that film, I must admit.)0 -
I agree with you, but why do you think that's the problem with it?Carnyx said:
The problem with that is that it is a Scottish monarchy first and foremost!Luckyguy1983 said:
I think the Queen did subtly do her best to influence both refs - Indy against and Brexit for, without explicitly endorsing her preferred outcome.Theuniondivvie said:
If she'd said similar before the EU referendum, the streets would have been strewn with prolapsing Faragistas.Philip_Thompson said:
Saying "think very carefully" during a referendum really ought to not be shocking.Theuniondivvie said:
Precisely, it's not necessarily such comments in themselves, it's the fawning amplification of them by our media, particularly our state broadcaster.Carnyx said:
Given the massive media attention any time a minor royal breaks wind, and the huge attention to HMTQ's comment re indyref at the time, I wouldn't be so sure.
There was something about itr in a recentlyt published political memoir, too, which rather emphasised the impoirtance Mr Cameron placed on getting Her Maj to come out with it, which ctrengthen's TSE's point considerably. But I fotget he details, not being a slavish royalist (was put off for life byt doing a scrapbook for Cub Scouts and readingf that book by Her Maj's nanny/governess).
In any case once we have a new sovereigh and PM the wish to retain a monarchy will change downwards.
'queen says scots should think very carefully' gives 13.5million hits on Google, with this at the top.
I'd be like "I've thought carefully about it and am voting Yes".
I think there's some justification for that action in the national importance of both these events. Nobody would think twice about the Royal family supporting the UK against an external aggressor, so it seems somewhat unrealistic to expect them to be blase about the prospect of internal political dissolution, or (and I accept this is a more niche perspective) of external political subsumption. I wouldn't expect the monarch to take a view on other political issues.0 -
Yes. Merkel (and the Federal regions) completely fucked up the 2nd wave. I suspect a case of hubris, with a dash of German exceptionalism. "For you, Covid, ze plague war is now over."FrancisUrquhart said:
Germany's approach post lockdown #1 looks a bit strange. Their first reaction, test like crazy, close the borders, lockdown hard, and it worked fairlh well....then they went foreign summer holidays for all and a much softer lockdown second time around.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.0 -
It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.8
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I think the first wave in the USA was very focal, for example NYC. This wave is worse, but more spread out, so the tales are too.solarflare said:I assume there must be some heavy censorship going on, else where are all the rolling news channel reports about the over-capacity, over-stretched, overwhelmed US healthcare system? I'm not disputing the figures, I'm just surprised it isn't more of, well, a story, if it's so bad.
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geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
On the bright side, a friend who can be safely described as a front line worker in the Covid battle has just been vaccinated. It's a huge relief to us all. She really did put her life on the line for people, and now has every chance of coming through unscathed.geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
She gets an extra special hug at Christmas.14 -
The figures are pretty grim everywhere* and to an extent that becomes the new normal, and 500 deaths from covid is no longer a headline.FrancisUrquhart said:It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.
*except the Western Pacific nations.0 -
Meanwhile, back in the USA...
'Texas’s motion for leave to file a lawsuit, which seeks to have the justices throw out the election results in the states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin (all of which Trump lost), landed on the high court’s docket on Tuesday. Election law experts dismissed the lawsuit as nothing more than a stunt, albeit a “dangerous” one. But President Trump’s supporters seized on the simple fact that the justices are requiring the states to respond by Thursday as evidence that the court will actually hear—or has actually agreed to hear—the case. It is unlikely that the court will decide to hear the case and the court has not agreed to hear it.'
So, apart from Trump, Contrarian and Betfair, who stills thinks the result might be overturned?0 -
"Burley herself deleted a tweet saying that she was going on holiday on Friday to go “sit with lions”, adding: “They kill for food not sport” – an apparent reference to media coverage of the situation."LadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague
How stupid? On a scale of 1 to one million?1 -
AndFysics_Teacher said:
This sort of thing you mean?solarflare said:I assume there must be some heavy censorship going on, else where are all the rolling news channel reports about the over-capacity, over-stretched, overwhelmed US healthcare system? I'm not disputing the figures, I'm just surprised it isn't more of, well, a story, if it's so bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gxeOXoals
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-renown-health-hospital-parking-garage/
Trump tweeted that he thought this was faked. The news crew started getting death threats.0 -
The UK is about to drop out of the top 10 of "deaths per million".FrancisUrquhart said:It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.
We are now at number 9, behind Belgium, Spain. Italy, Peru, Bosnia (and micronations). I expect we will be overtaken by Slovenia and the USA, and maybe Argentina and Mexico. Leaving us in 12th or so. Or lower.
Not great. Not great at all. We were meant to be super well prepared for a pandemic.
However, ours has not been The Worst Response in History, given our dense population, high obesity, older demogs, BAME populace, super world city in London, etc etc
The country that HAS performed weirdly badly is Belgium.0 -
Starship test in just under six minutes?
Edit: about 9:04pm0 -
Just the idea that it is somehow dependent on the Union of the Parliaments. The Commonwealth show otherwise. So from her point of view it is a zero sum game unless she lets secular politics interfere. Which she is not supposed to do.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree with you, but why do you think that's the problem with it?Carnyx said:
The problem with that is that it is a Scottish monarchy first and foremost!Luckyguy1983 said:
I think the Queen did subtly do her best to influence both refs - Indy against and Brexit for, without explicitly endorsing her preferred outcome.Theuniondivvie said:
If she'd said similar before the EU referendum, the streets would have been strewn with prolapsing Faragistas.Philip_Thompson said:
Saying "think very carefully" during a referendum really ought to not be shocking.Theuniondivvie said:
Precisely, it's not necessarily such comments in themselves, it's the fawning amplification of them by our media, particularly our state broadcaster.Carnyx said:
Given the massive media attention any time a minor royal breaks wind, and the huge attention to HMTQ's comment re indyref at the time, I wouldn't be so sure.
There was something about itr in a recentlyt published political memoir, too, which rather emphasised the impoirtance Mr Cameron placed on getting Her Maj to come out with it, which ctrengthen's TSE's point considerably. But I fotget he details, not being a slavish royalist (was put off for life byt doing a scrapbook for Cub Scouts and readingf that book by Her Maj's nanny/governess).
In any case once we have a new sovereigh and PM the wish to retain a monarchy will change downwards.
'queen says scots should think very carefully' gives 13.5million hits on Google, with this at the top.
I'd be like "I've thought carefully about it and am voting Yes".
I think there's some justification for that action in the national importance of both these events. Nobody would think twice about the Royal family supporting the UK against an external aggressor, so it seems somewhat unrealistic to expect them to be blase about the prospect of internal political dissolution, or (and I accept this is a more niche perspective) of external political subsumption. I wouldn't expect the monarch to take a view on other political issues.0 -
I saw that at the time and thought not a great look is it on a nunber of levels.MarqueeMark said:
"Burley herself deleted a tweet saying that she was going on holiday on Friday to go “sit with lions”, adding: “They kill for food not sport” – an apparent reference to media coverage of the situation."LadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague
How stupid? On a scale of 1 to one million?1 -
I wish I could write such excellent satire. It is nearly as good as Hannan's efforts:gealbhan said:
Nonsense. Boris has been at his Churchillian best all day, the UK are on for a bloody good result this evening.LadyG said:
The bottom line is Rosy is not in the same league as Boris as tough negotiator. The EU may have some good arguments, but that means zilch when comes down to a negotiation, the better negotiator wins regardless of the hand dealt.
The UK wanted it to come down to this. Boris v Rosy. UK wins. This is the guy who negotiated the brexit win with the voters, negotiated to be PM, then destroyed the Labour Party in its heartlands negotiating with the voters.
Disagree? You actually think Rosy is a tougher, better negotiator than Boris is? Just based on your prejudice not fact.
It’s like the Battle of Britain tonight. Blighty v Germany. If Global Britain were to last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was his finest hour.”
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/0 -
It was already out of the top 10 a month ago, so picking the moment is key.LadyG said:
The UK is about to drop out of the top 10 of "deaths per million".FrancisUrquhart said:It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.
We are now at number 9, behind Belgium, Spain. Italy, Peru, Bosnia (and micronations). I expect we will be overtaken by Slovenia and the USA, and maybe Argentina and Mexico. Leaving us in 12th or so. Or lower.
Not great. Not great at all. We were meant to be super well prepared for a pandemic.
However, ours has not been The Worst Response in History, given our dense population, high obesity, older demogs, BAME populace, super world city in London, etc etc
The country that HAS performed weirdly badly is Belgium.
Belgium's being so far above anyone else but San Marino is pretty notable, even with caveats about playing the numbers game on this.0 -
Talking about dying, there was a link to this on that page -Alistair said:
AndFysics_Teacher said:
This sort of thing you mean?solarflare said:I assume there must be some heavy censorship going on, else where are all the rolling news channel reports about the over-capacity, over-stretched, overwhelmed US healthcare system? I'm not disputing the figures, I'm just surprised it isn't more of, well, a story, if it's so bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gxeOXoals
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-renown-health-hospital-parking-garage/
Trump tweeted that he thought this was faked. The news crew started getting death threats.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-republican-party-twitter-death-overturn-presidential-election-results/
"Arizona Republican Party asks followers if they're willing to die to overturn election results"0 -
Hold on the countdown.Fysics_Teacher said:Starship test in just under six minutes?
Edit: about 9:04pm0 -
They who go out for a meal in breach of Covid restrictions risk killing for food....FrancisUrquhart said:
I saw that at the time and thought not a great look is it on a nunber of levels.MarqueeMark said:
"Burley herself deleted a tweet saying that she was going on holiday on Friday to go “sit with lions”, adding: “They kill for food not sport” – an apparent reference to media coverage of the situation."LadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague
How stupid? On a scale of 1 to one million?1 -
Looks as though he’d had a good lunch beforehand. Reminiscent of Drop the Dead Donkey, of course.FrancisUrquhart said:
Adam Boulton wouldn't be sad to see Death Rigby getting the boot.LadyG said:
How can she possibly question erring ministers/SPADS when she has so contemptuously ignored the lockdown rules? She can't. And that's her job. She will be very lucky to survive.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I cannot see any way back for her and the others may find it difficult to continue on SkyLadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague
A shame. I quite like her.
Beth Rigby.....,mmmm..... I can cope without
https://youtu.be/zwXSYcXbVYY0 -
Some good tunes and dogfights but is Angels One Five a better film about the Battle of Britain?Carnyx said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXbDQBsFFIEgealbhan said:
Nonsense. Boris has been at his Churchillian best all day, the UK are on for a bloody good result this evening.LadyG said:
The bottom line is Rosy is not in the same league as Boris as tough negotiator. The EU may have some good arguments, but that means zilch when comes down to a negotiation, the better negotiator wins regardless of the hand dealt.
The UK wanted it to come down to this. Boris v Rosy. UK wins. This is the guy who negotiated the brexit win with the voters, negotiated to be PM, then destroyed the Labour Party in its heartlands negotiating with the voters.
Disagree? You actually think Rosy is a tougher, better negotiator than Boris is? Just based on your prejudice not fact.
It’s like the Battle of Britain tonight. Blighty v Germany. If Global Britain were to last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was his finest hour.”
(I do so like that film, I must admit.)
And on negotiation, should we not worry Boris does not understand the detail or the implications? Look at his on-off relationship with Theresa May's WA, or his own pledges ignored. I don't think Boris was lying so much as careless with the truth because he really could not care less.0 -
She will not forget her 60th birthday party and for all the wrong reasonsFrancisUrquhart said:
I saw that at the time and thought not a great look is it on a nunber of levels.MarqueeMark said:
"Burley herself deleted a tweet saying that she was going on holiday on Friday to go “sit with lions”, adding: “They kill for food not sport” – an apparent reference to media coverage of the situation."LadyG said:
Burley is finished, I think. At least at SkyFrancisUrquhart said:Fat head sticking the knife in...
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/09/kay-burley-row-could-undermine-sky-news-warns-colleague
How stupid? On a scale of 1 to one million?0 -
The deaths will be very spread out. The majority of casualties are wounded not dead from a day of battle. But the wounded will die later spread out over days or weeks or months.Philip_Thompson said:
Approximately a million died over four years. That averages at just under 700 per day on average but I would have thought some days would be much bloodier and some days less. Only a single day of Antietam being on the list just doesn't pass the sniff test to me.Alistair said:
Many civil war battles had overall higher death figures but over multiple days. Cold Harbour was a particularly bloody and gruesome engagement but the thousands Union dead were spread over 3 days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Also when you read casualty figures you might well be reading dead and wounded rather than just deaths.
Disease and malnutrition will have killed huge numbers in the ACW but once again spread out over a long time period.
I'm not saying there won't have been days during the ACW where more people died than that list but the majority of deaths didn't come in battle.1 -
There is an oddity in the ONS death figures (latest given in link below - see fig 2) that I can't fathom. Maybe the PB brains trust can help?
3,000 a week are dying with flu/pneumonia as a contributing factor, but hardly anyone is dying due directly to these two. Whereas with covid deaths it is the reverse. 3,000 a week covid deaths. Most of the covid deaths are due to the disease and not with it as a contributor.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending27november2020
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Tongue in cheek I know, but this is a great header photo with that piece.Foxy said:
I wish I could write such excellent satire. It is nearly as good as Hannan's efforts:gealbhan said:
Nonsense. Boris has been at his Churchillian best all day, the UK are on for a bloody good result this evening.LadyG said:
The bottom line is Rosy is not in the same league as Boris as tough negotiator. The EU may have some good arguments, but that means zilch when comes down to a negotiation, the better negotiator wins regardless of the hand dealt.
The UK wanted it to come down to this. Boris v Rosy. UK wins. This is the guy who negotiated the brexit win with the voters, negotiated to be PM, then destroyed the Labour Party in its heartlands negotiating with the voters.
Disagree? You actually think Rosy is a tougher, better negotiator than Boris is? Just based on your prejudice not fact.
It’s like the Battle of Britain tonight. Blighty v Germany. If Global Britain were to last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was his finest hour.”
https://reaction.life/britain-looks-like-brexit/
1 -
Erm, she needs two vaccinations to be safe for hugs surely?Peter_the_Punter said:geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
On the bright side, a friend who can be safely described as a front line worker in the Covid battle has just been vaccinated. It's a huge relief to us all. She really did put her life on the line for people, and now has every chance of coming through unscathed.geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
She gets an extra special hug at Christmas.0 -
Patience. Five days to go before Betfair settles on the 14th, or 15th depending when the Electoral College actually votes and taking into account time zones, or comes up with a new excuse not to settle.Peter_the_Punter said:Meanwhile, back in the USA...
'Texas’s motion for leave to file a lawsuit, which seeks to have the justices throw out the election results in the states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin (all of which Trump lost), landed on the high court’s docket on Tuesday. Election law experts dismissed the lawsuit as nothing more than a stunt, albeit a “dangerous” one. But President Trump’s supporters seized on the simple fact that the justices are requiring the states to respond by Thursday as evidence that the court will actually hear—or has actually agreed to hear—the case. It is unlikely that the court will decide to hear the case and the court has not agreed to hear it.'
So, apart from Trump, Contrarian and Betfair, who stills thinks the result might be overturned?1 -
Except that the British media, eg Piers Morgan, were obsessed with the fact that we were doing exceptionally badly, and everyone involved should be burned at the stake.Foxy said:
The figures are pretty grim everywhere* and to an extent that becomes the new normal, and 500 deaths from covid is no longer a headline.FrancisUrquhart said:It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.
*except the Western Pacific nations.
Some of us at the time said, well, let's wait and see, this is going to last a year or two, at the end maybe we will all look roughly the same
As of now that second opinion looks valid. Britain took a tough first punch because we are a very open, global, trading, multicultural nation with a vast world city at its heart. Ideal conditions for spreading a bug like covid, before it is noticed.
Now the virus is hunting more obscure prey in eastern Europe, the Mid East, south Africa, etc
Don't get me wrong. HMG of the UK fucked up in multiple ways. But I'm increasingly unsure about any western countries which did NOT fuck up. Asia did it all better than any of us.2 -
I don't think it's quite as simple as that. The British Monarchy is still quite central to our constitution. It isn't a toy monarchy like some German or Sicilian Prince where 'Prince' means nothing more than having an interesting title at parties on yachts in Monaco with lots of other ephemeral rich people. That would not be assured with an indy Scotland. I am sure the Monarchy would adapt elegantly to Scotland leaving, but personally I think the Queen would be devastated if it happened on her watch.Carnyx said:
Just the idea that it is somehow dependent on the Union of the Parliaments. The Commonwealth show otherwise. So from her point of view it is a zero sum game unless she lets secular politics interfere. Which she is not supposed to do.Luckyguy1983 said:
I agree with you, but why do you think that's the problem with it?Carnyx said:
The problem with that is that it is a Scottish monarchy first and foremost!Luckyguy1983 said:
I think the Queen did subtly do her best to influence both refs - Indy against and Brexit for, without explicitly endorsing her preferred outcome.Theuniondivvie said:
If she'd said similar before the EU referendum, the streets would have been strewn with prolapsing Faragistas.Philip_Thompson said:
Saying "think very carefully" during a referendum really ought to not be shocking.Theuniondivvie said:
Precisely, it's not necessarily such comments in themselves, it's the fawning amplification of them by our media, particularly our state broadcaster.Carnyx said:
Given the massive media attention any time a minor royal breaks wind, and the huge attention to HMTQ's comment re indyref at the time, I wouldn't be so sure.
There was something about itr in a recentlyt published political memoir, too, which rather emphasised the impoirtance Mr Cameron placed on getting Her Maj to come out with it, which ctrengthen's TSE's point considerably. But I fotget he details, not being a slavish royalist (was put off for life byt doing a scrapbook for Cub Scouts and readingf that book by Her Maj's nanny/governess).
In any case once we have a new sovereigh and PM the wish to retain a monarchy will change downwards.
'queen says scots should think very carefully' gives 13.5million hits on Google, with this at the top.
I'd be like "I've thought carefully about it and am voting Yes".
I think there's some justification for that action in the national importance of both these events. Nobody would think twice about the Royal family supporting the UK against an external aggressor, so it seems somewhat unrealistic to expect them to be blase about the prospect of internal political dissolution, or (and I accept this is a more niche perspective) of external political subsumption. I wouldn't expect the monarch to take a view on other political issues.0 -
So does Wales get a lockdown next week ?
And does London get tier 3 next week ?0 -
If Putin thinks a vaccine that requires Russians to lay off booze for two months is gonna work, then he doesn't know his own country.OnboardG1 said:
I read somewhere that the head of Gamelya said it was only six days. And now I can't find it and am mildly annoyed.Foxy said:Could be worse, could be having the Sputnik vaccine...
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1336670466543669249?s=090 -
It should but I do not expect itanother_richard said:So does Wales get a lockdown next week ?
And does London get tier 3 next week ?0 -
I think lots of EU countries are making their own plans. I've read about Germany, Spain and Italy already, this add Poland. Hungary are also signed up to buy the no booze Russian one but they might bail out of that now.FrancisUrquhart said:
From what I can tell the countries are getting frustrated on the lack of detail over delivery schedules and expected capacity. I think they're looking over the channel wondering why it's all happening late for a vaccine developed by a German company and manufactured in Belgium.1 -
The number of countries who "done good", with similar Western liberal values / economies, is now down to basically Australia and New Zealand.LadyG said:
Except that the British media, eg Piers Morgan, were obsessed with the fact that we were doing exceptionally badly, and everyone involved should be burned at the stake.Foxy said:
The figures are pretty grim everywhere* and to an extent that becomes the new normal, and 500 deaths from covid is no longer a headline.FrancisUrquhart said:It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.
*except the Western Pacific nations.
Some of us at the time said, well, let's wait and see, this is going to last a year or two, at the end maybe we will all look roughly the same
As of now that second opinion looks valid. Britain took a tough first punch because we are a very open, global, trading, multicultural nation with a vast world city at its heart. Ideal conditions for spreading a bug like covid, before it is noticed.
Now the virus is hunting more obscure prey in eastern Europe, the Mid East, south Africa, etc
Don't get me wrong. HMG of the UK fucked up in multiple ways. But I'm increasingly unsure about any western countries which did NOT fuck up. Asia did it all better than any of us.
I think Australia is the most interesting case, as unlike New Zealand, they have large direct connections to China and several very large dense cities. Amazing what shutting your border quickly, sensible hotel based quarantine system and restricting travel between states can do.2 -
You think we should have lied and covered it up and pretended that it was all someone else's fault?LadyG said:
Except that the British media, eg Piers Morgan, were obsessed with the fact that we were doing exceptionally badly, and everyone involved should be burned at the stake.Foxy said:
The figures are pretty grim everywhere* and to an extent that becomes the new normal, and 500 deaths from covid is no longer a headline.FrancisUrquhart said:It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.
*except the Western Pacific nations.
Some of us at the time said, well, let's wait and see, this is going to last a year or two, at the end maybe we will all look roughly the same
As of now that second opinion looks valid. Britain took a tough first punch because we are a very open, global, trading, multicultural nation with a vast world city at its heart. Ideal conditions for spreading a bug like covid, before it is noticed.
Now the virus is hunting more obscure prey in eastern Europe, the Mid East, south Africa, etc
Don't get me wrong. HMG of the UK fucked up in multiple ways. But I'm increasingly unsure about any western countries which did NOT fuck up. Asia did it all better than any of us.0 -
Fysics_Teacher said:
Gettysburg was deadlier, but it was spread out over three days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Towton in the Wars of the Roses had somewhere between five and ten thousand dead, depending on the source. I read somewhere that 2% of the male population of England died in that battle.
And it was nothing more than a turf war really. Silly Billies.Fysics_Teacher said:
Gettysburg was deadlier, but it was spread out over three days.Philip_Thompson said:
I'm very surprised the Civil War didn't result in deadlier days than that.eek said:
TruePhilip_Thompson said:
Is that true or fake?CarlottaVance said:Grim
Towton in the Wars of the Roses had somewhere between five and ten thousand dead, depending on the source. I read somewhere that 2% of the male population of England died in that battle.0 -
I'm sure it would be a lazy stereotype to suggest that getting Russians to stop drinking for two months would save a lot of lives even if the vaccine were a placebo.rottenborough said:
If Putin thinks a vaccine that requires Russians to lay off booze for two months is gonna work, then he doesn't know his own country.OnboardG1 said:
I read somewhere that the head of Gamelya said it was only six days. And now I can't find it and am mildly annoyed.Foxy said:Could be worse, could be having the Sputnik vaccine...
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1336670466543669249?s=091 -
For maximum yes, but data seen today suggests a pretty good efficacy 10 days after the first shot (see up thread).rottenborough said:
Erm, she needs two vaccinations to be safe for hugs surely?Peter_the_Punter said:geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
On the bright side, a friend who can be safely described as a front line worker in the Covid battle has just been vaccinated. It's a huge relief to us all. She really did put her life on the line for people, and now has every chance of coming through unscathed.geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
She gets an extra special hug at Christmas.0 -
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1336776383289315335
That would be good. I refuse to use Whatsapp because Zuckerberg has control of its data now.0 -
One of our Polish friends living in Edinburgh lost her father last week. The family think he got Covid but he refused to go to the doctor or be tested. His daughter hasn't gone to his funeral because she couldn't afford the time to quarantine on arriving there and on returning home. She also wasn't sure if she's allowed to travel anyway. Tragic.FrancisUrquhart said:
What do you mean, that is way down on the peak....at one point a few weeks ago they were at 20-30k cases a day, with a positivity rate through the roof.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
And it got zero coverage.0 -
I guess it comes down to whether they think the person was going to snuff it soon and COVID/Flu/Pneumonia finished them off.rottenborough said:There is an oddity in the ONS death figures (latest given in link below - see fig 2) that I can't fathom. Maybe the PB brains trust can help?
3,000 a week are dying with flu/pneumonia as a contributing factor, but hardly anyone is dying due directly to these two. Whereas with covid deaths it is the reverse. 3,000 a week covid deaths. Most of the covid deaths are due to the disease and not with it as a contributor.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending27november20200 -
Well the EU ventilator scheme didn't go so well....When Czechia required them, they got all of 30, and had to beg, borrow, steal from all their neighbours.MaxPB said:
I think lots of EU countries are making their own plans. I've read about Germany, Spain and Italy already, this add Poland. Hungary are also signed up to buy the no booze Russian one but they might bail out of that now.FrancisUrquhart said:
From what I can tell the countries are getting frustrated on the lack of detail over delivery schedules and expected capacity. I think they're looking over the channel wondering why it's all happening late for a vaccine developed by a German company and manufactured in Belgium.0 -
Asia not looking quite the poster child it wasLadyG said:
Except that the British media, eg Piers Morgan, were obsessed with the fact that we were doing exceptionally badly, and everyone involved should be burned at the stake.Foxy said:
The figures are pretty grim everywhere* and to an extent that becomes the new normal, and 500 deaths from covid is no longer a headline.FrancisUrquhart said:It is strange how second time around we aren't getting the nightly look how shit the UK is doing compared to rest of Europe from the media.
*except the Western Pacific nations.
Some of us at the time said, well, let's wait and see, this is going to last a year or two, at the end maybe we will all look roughly the same
As of now that second opinion looks valid. Britain took a tough first punch because we are a very open, global, trading, multicultural nation with a vast world city at its heart. Ideal conditions for spreading a bug like covid, before it is noticed.
Now the virus is hunting more obscure prey in eastern Europe, the Mid East, south Africa, etc
Don't get me wrong. HMG of the UK fucked up in multiple ways. But I'm increasingly unsure about any western countries which did NOT fuck up. Asia did it all better than any of us.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-surge-hits-parts-of-asia-seen-as-pandemic-success-stories-116075236250 -
turbotubbs said:
For maximum yes, but data seen today suggests a pretty good efficacy 10 days after the first shot (see up thread).rottenborough said:
Erm, she needs two vaccinations to be safe for hugs surely?Peter_the_Punter said:geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
On the bright side, a friend who can be safely described as a front line worker in the Covid battle has just been vaccinated. It's a huge relief to us all. She really did put her life on the line for people, and now has every chance of coming through unscathed.geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
She gets an extra special hug at Christmas.
Shan't be seeing her till Christmas Day.turbotubbs said:
For maximum yes, but data seen today suggests a pretty good efficacy 10 days after the first shot (see up thread).rottenborough said:
Erm, she needs two vaccinations to be safe for hugs surely?Peter_the_Punter said:geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
On the bright side, a friend who can be safely described as a front line worker in the Covid battle has just been vaccinated. It's a huge relief to us all. She really did put her life on the line for people, and now has every chance of coming through unscathed.geoffw said:
Let's just hope it doesn't work its way round the vaccines.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
Also (edit): Germany. After a series of bad days, another bad day: 20,000 cases, and 454 deaths. Germany now has one of the worst covid problems in Europe.
She gets an extra special hug at Christmas.
Mind you, my hugs are pretty explosive.0 -
And to think, some wanted the UK to join on purely ideological grounds.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the EU ventilator scheme didn't go so well....When Czechia required them, they got all of 30, and had to beg, borrow, steal from all their neighbours.MaxPB said:
I think lots of EU countries are making their own plans. I've read about Germany, Spain and Italy already, this add Poland. Hungary are also signed up to buy the no booze Russian one but they might bail out of that now.FrancisUrquhart said:
From what I can tell the countries are getting frustrated on the lack of detail over delivery schedules and expected capacity. I think they're looking over the channel wondering why it's all happening late for a vaccine developed by a German company and manufactured in Belgium.2 -
I would have to double check, but at one point the positivity rate on those going for tests for up at 30-40%. And they aren't doing much testing. So it must have been incredibly widespread in November.ExiledInScotland said:
One of our Polish friends living in Edinburgh lost her father last week. The family think he got Covid but he refused to go to the doctor or be tested. His daughter hasn't gone to his funeral because she couldn't afford the time to quarantine on arriving there and on returning home. She also wasn't sure if she's allowed to travel anyway. Tragic.FrancisUrquhart said:
What do you mean, that is way down on the peak....at one point a few weeks ago they were at 20-30k cases a day, with a positivity rate through the roof.LadyG said:Poland is suddenly looking grim
12,000 cases, 570 deaths.
Would have been headline European figures in the Spring
The virus is working its way around the western world. Methodically
And it got zero coverage.
Without good testing, you never know if you get lucky and it is just loads of young people passing among themselves and you have escaped, or if if its now getting to the oldies, so can have less cases, more deaths.1 -
Good evening.Peter_the_Punter said:Meanwhile, back in the USA...
'Texas’s motion for leave to file a lawsuit, which seeks to have the justices throw out the election results in the states of Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin (all of which Trump lost), landed on the high court’s docket on Tuesday. Election law experts dismissed the lawsuit as nothing more than a stunt, albeit a “dangerous” one. But President Trump’s supporters seized on the simple fact that the justices are requiring the states to respond by Thursday as evidence that the court will actually hear—or has actually agreed to hear—the case. It is unlikely that the court will decide to hear the case and the court has not agreed to hear it.'
So, apart from Trump, Contrarian and Betfair, who stills thinks the result might be overturned?
I understand more than a dozen other US states have now joined Texas in seeking redress for the unconstitutional actions by the four states being sued
That's a lot of states for the Supreme Court to ignore, right there.
Indeed, what would be the point of the Supreme Court, or the constitution, if the case were ignored...? the whole thing would be a sham. Maybe it is, anyway.
Interestingly only 7 states formed the original confederacy....
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Fysics_Teacher said:
I'm sure it would be a lazy stereotype to suggest that getting Russians to stop drinking for two months would save a lot of lives even if the vaccine were a placebo.rottenborough said:
If Putin thinks a vaccine that requires Russians to lay off booze for two months is gonna work, then he doesn't know his own country.OnboardG1 said:
I read somewhere that the head of Gamelya said it was only six days. And now I can't find it and am mildly annoyed.Foxy said:Could be worse, could be having the Sputnik vaccine...
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1336670466543669249?s=09
It's probably true.Fysics_Teacher said:
I'm sure it would be a lazy stereotype to suggest that getting Russians to stop drinking for two months would save a lot of lives even if the vaccine were a placebo.rottenborough said:
If Putin thinks a vaccine that requires Russians to lay off booze for two months is gonna work, then he doesn't know his own country.OnboardG1 said:
I read somewhere that the head of Gamelya said it was only six days. And now I can't find it and am mildly annoyed.Foxy said:Could be worse, could be having the Sputnik vaccine...
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The only contender for doing worse than Belgium is the EU.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the EU ventilator scheme didn't go so well....When Czechia required them, they got all of 30, and had to beg, borrow, steal from all their neighbours.MaxPB said:
I think lots of EU countries are making their own plans. I've read about Germany, Spain and Italy already, this add Poland. Hungary are also signed up to buy the no booze Russian one but they might bail out of that now.FrancisUrquhart said:
From what I can tell the countries are getting frustrated on the lack of detail over delivery schedules and expected capacity. I think they're looking over the channel wondering why it's all happening late for a vaccine developed by a German company and manufactured in Belgium.1 -
We all remember the pasted tweets telling us we had to join the EU ventilator scheme, the EU PPE scheme, the EU vaccine scheme ...RobD said:
And to think, some wanted the UK to join on purely ideological grounds.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the EU ventilator scheme didn't go so well....When Czechia required them, they got all of 30, and had to beg, borrow, steal from all their neighbours.MaxPB said:
I think lots of EU countries are making their own plans. I've read about Germany, Spain and Italy already, this add Poland. Hungary are also signed up to buy the no booze Russian one but they might bail out of that now.FrancisUrquhart said:
From what I can tell the countries are getting frustrated on the lack of detail over delivery schedules and expected capacity. I think they're looking over the channel wondering why it's all happening late for a vaccine developed by a German company and manufactured in Belgium.2
