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Covid Whack-A-Mole – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,397
edited December 2020 in General
imageCovid Whack-A-Mole – politicalbetting.com

“Fatta la legge, trovato l’inganno.” Every law has a loophole. Though many Italians view it less as a description, more an order, a necessity, even, if life is to be bearable. Find the loopholes and stretch the rules to their limits. It is an approach which comes from a long history of mistrust of often distant, capricious, arbitrary rulers, a belief that the state’s benefits are, as has often been the case, doled out to favourites, to those clever enough to have cultivated the right people, to those from whom a favour in return will be expected, to those who are useful. So why not do the same in return – exploit whatever loopholes, ambiguities, fudges can be found – and as shamelessly as possible. If it’s good enough for rulers, it’s good enough for everyone else. L’arte (and it is an art) d’arrangiarsi. It is what makes life in Italy very pleasant, once you have mastered it, but utterly exasperating for the literal-minded outsider naïve enough to think that the de jure position matters a damn.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    edited December 2020
    As a good Muslim boy I feel like a nun in a whorehouse with these discussions about Scotch eggs.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    As a good Muslim boy I feel like a nun in a whorehouse with these discussions about Scotch eggs.

    But you can have venison Scotch eggs, if you like the idea that is. They are available from my artisanal butcher alongside real mutton and hogget meat, etc.
  • Carnyx said:

    But you can have venison Scotch eggs, if you like the idea that is. They are available from my artisanal butcher alongside real mutton and hogget meat, etc.
    I don't like buying venison because it's a little dear. I said DEAR*

    But thanks for your suggestion, this weekend I am going to make a Scotch egg using kofta meat, I just have one question, does the egg need to be runny?

    *Phonetical joke.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,096
    Would these same establishments serve 10 pints of lager with a scotch egg to 16 and 17 year olds that visit if they're accompanied by someone over 18 when we're out the pandemic ?
  • A substantial meal is a very old and established term in licensing laws. Its been used for decades for example with regards to serving alcohol in restaurants to 16 and 17 year olds.

    Pratting around with loopholes is just stupid. Restaurants and pubs and customers know what the rules are as much as people in the media put of affectations of idiocy.
  • I see Wales is absolutely smashing it again on the new covid cases....
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,090
    MaxPB said:

    I think Pfizer was 40k participants and yes, fully agree. The safety rating isn't going to be anything like 99%, that would have been visible in the PII and PIII trials and it would have been halted. If there are serious side effects we haven't yet seen it will be something like 0.001% of cases which would be 550 eligible people in the UK. I'd be shocked if it was that high, all three vaccines use the same spike protein to get an immune response so the sample size is actually 20k from AZ, 40k from Pfizer and 30k from Moderna and there hasn't been a single report of serious side effects.
    That's not *quite* true.

    There haven't been any really serious side effects that we're *sure* are caused by the vaccine. One of the AZ participants spent a night in hospital with some inflammation in the spinal cord. We just don't know if that was caused by the vaccine, or simply a consequence of someone, somewhere having something bad happen because - you know - with 40,000 people, there are going to be some people who get sick for some reason.
  • I see Wales is absolutely smashing it again on the new covid cases....

    Who could have foreseen a 2 week "short sharp shock" would have no impact?

    Well apart from most of us here?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,096
    The gov't has muddied the waters a bit with the whole "substantial meal" thing I suppose. For pedants and lawyers they should have just extended the 16/17 yr old 'table meal' regs to everyone (& add in the ability to purchase ofc)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited December 2020

    Just me, or is it not the best time to be looking to rip off air passengers?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55156512

    This has actually really pissed me off. When I do use EasyShite, I only take a smallish backpack (no not just massshooovie wheelie case thingies), which is a tad too big to fit under the seat without worrying about buggering my laptop. Its really convenient to hop on / hop off. It isn't only the money, it is the extra time dicking around.

    I can see all sorts of fights over this when people get on the plane with a bag that then doesn't fit.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,442

    A substantial meal is a very old and established term in licensing laws. Its been used for decades for example with regards to serving alcohol in restaurants to 16 and 17 year olds.

    Pratting around with loopholes is just stupid. Restaurants and pubs and customers know what the rules are as much as people in the media put of affectations of idiocy.

    Kay Burley almost screaming at Matt Hancock this morning on this topic. I think the man (or woman) on the Clapham omnibus knows what the regulations intend. It certainly isn't a drinking pub where customers ring out for Mcdonalds to get round the rules. I have the utmost sympathy for the hospitality sector, and in truth we should probably be borrowing even more money to keep them closed until normality rears its head, but the behaviour of media dickheads is not helping.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,970
    Across the entire EU and UK the fishing industry employed only 180,000 people in 2017.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    Did they get an answer towether it’s lawful to have a take way delivered to a wet pub as a substantial meal?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,605

    A substantial meal is a very old and established term in licensing laws. Its been used for decades for example with regards to serving alcohol in restaurants to 16 and 17 year olds.

    Pratting around with loopholes is just stupid. Restaurants and pubs and customers know what the rules are as much as people in the media put of affectations of idiocy.

    Indeed. But it is not in these new rules.

    And pratting about is stupid. I agree. Decent establishments don’t do it.

    Pratting about imposing stupid rules and not providing support is even stupider. It’s as stupid as asking people to self-isolate but doing it in such a way that they don’t get the money otherwise provided.

    It undermines what they are trying to achieve.

    If bankruptcy and unemployment is the option to stretching the rules as far as they can, some will do the latter. Best not put them in that position.

    Anyway wish my daughter luck for tonight. She was in tears this morning at what is happening. I have little patience with a government consisting of morons willing to reward their already rich friends and damaging the businesses of young entrepreneurs like her. I am biased but she and her team have more integrity and competence in their little fingers than Johnson, Gove and co will ever have in their entire miserable lives.

    So they can fuck off as far as I’m concerned.

    Oh and she’s not serving scotch eggs. She has a foodie reputation to maintain.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited December 2020
    To repeat. The whole point of serving drinks only with food is to:

    1. Increase the number of people coming through the pub, when they have limited capacity. They can run 5pm, 7pm and 9pm sittings.
    2. Stop pubs being full of drunk people who forget they’re supposed to be keeping apart from each other, thus spreading the virus around.
  • Pulpstar said:

    The gov't has muddied the waters a bit with the whole "substantial meal" thing I suppose. For pedants and lawyers they should have just extended the 16/17 yr old 'table meal' regs to everyone (& add in the ability to purchase ofc)

    That's exactly what they've done isn't it?

    And I've never once heard of a pub or restaurant taking the piss with that to serve 16 and 17 year olds.

    This is a non-story of the media's making, just immature. I've heard of no pubs or restaurants getting raided for serving Scotch Eggs, any more than pubs getting raided for serving lager and Scotch Eggs to children.

    From 4 years ago:
    https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2016/06/16/When-to-serve-alcohol-to-16-17-year-olds-with-a-meal
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,090
    edited December 2020
    IanB2 said:

    Across the entire EU and UK the fishing industry employed only 180,000 people in 2017.

    Worth noting that some of the vessels that have EU fishing quotas aren't EU based at all: there are Korean and Canadian vessels that never even dock to unload in the continent.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited December 2020

    I don't like buying venison because it's a little dear. I said DEAR*

    But thanks for your suggestion, this weekend I am going to make a Scotch egg using kofta meat, I just have one question, does the egg need to be runny?

    *Phonetical joke.
    Your egg, your choice! I've never cooked a SE myself. I've had both set and runny yolks in my time in hot SEs. I assume, in my local [edit- deleted] gastropub, that the runny yolk simply indicates a freshly boiled egg right there and then, but if I were having a SE cold the next day I would definitely want a hard boiled egg with a solid yolk, at least when cooking was ended.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    edited December 2020

    This has actually really pissed me off. When I do use EasyShite, I only take a smallish backpack (no not just massshooovie wheel on case thingie), which is a tad too big to fit under the seat without worrying about buggering my laptop.
    Flying with Easyjet/Ryanair/British Airways is like sex with your ex, at the start you think it'll be fun, but 10 minutes in and you wonder why you even bothered and full of regret for ages.
  • Andy_CookeAndy_Cooke Posts: 5,045
    We're almost certainly only weeks away from a fairly widespread resumption of normality, and the Government are going to let many perfectly viable businesses collapse.

    Twelve to sixteen weeks. That's all they need.
    Just give them a grant equal to their running costs as declared to HMRC over the last year. It won't save all of them, but it will save most of them. Yes, it'll be pricey, but the cost of letting them collapse in terms of lost corporation tax, VAT, lost jobs (and thus lost income tax and NI coupled with increased Universal Credit payments) - all that alone makes it sensible, because those will be foregone for a far longer period than the needed grants. Let alone the human cost.

    For God's sake, Boris and Rishi. Just do it.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407
    Re header: That's a very poor Scotch Egg photo.

    Otherwise, evening all.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,002
    rcs1000 said:


    That's not *quite* true.

    There haven't been any really serious side effects that we're *sure* are caused by the vaccine. One of the AZ participants spent a night in hospital with some inflammation in the spinal cord. We just don't know if that was caused by the vaccine, or simply a consequence of someone, somewhere having something bad happen because - you know - with 40,000 people, there are going to be some people who get sick for some reason.

    There was another event in the Indian trial.
    Similar caveats apply.

    https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2020/11/30/across-the-vaccine-efficacy-line-and-a-late-breaking-safety-episode-covid-19-vaccine-race-month-11/
    ...In mid-October, a 40-year-old trial participant in the Indian phase 3 trial of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine had a serious neurological adverse event, requiring intensive care. The vaccine developers’ partner, the Serum Institute of India (SII), deemed the event unrelated to the vaccine – but it was clearly a serious adverse event in the trial. (Any episode of intensive care would be classed as a serious adverse event.) The drug regulator’s investigation is not complete.

    Despite this, the head of SII has recently stated that there were no hospitalizations in the Indian trial, and no serious adverse events. The trial participant’s lawyer made the situation public, as they have asked for compensation, indicating they would shortly lodge a court claim, and calling for the trial to be halted.

    In an appalling turn of events, the SII has said it will sue the trial participant for damage to the SII’s reputation. Maybe there’s a worse way to handle this, but I find it hard to imagine one. And it’s clear that determination of whether or not this event is vaccine-related has financial implications for the manufacturer.

    What now? We don’t know if regulators in other countries with ongoing trials of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine have been notified. It’s been about a month since the event. Many of us have been calling for radical transparency in these trials. It’s obviously urgently needed here, along with reassurance that this event has been properly investigated. The handling of this at many levels raises a lot of questions.

    [Update December 2] Other trial participants expressed concern about the way this man was being treated by the vaccine manufacturer. They have contacted the drug regulator, concerned that they were given injections after the serious adverse event without being informed of it, and some are reportedly considering legal action. Fortunately, the trial participant has almost completely recovered: he was in the intensive care unit for 10 days...

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    edited December 2020
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/02/brexit-fishing-gamble-suggests-no-10-forgot-its-economics-homework

    Off topic - but interesting opinion piece. Basically the fishing industry is a minnow against the proper big industries being trashed for a bunch of fishermen.

    "Even if No 10 succeeds in its ambition of taking 60% of catches in British waters back from EU vessels, gains for the country’s fishing industry could never come close to matching potential losses from the UK’s economic leviathans."

    Edit: And -

    "There is an irony in the fact that the automotive and finance were two of the industries most assiduously courted by Margaret Thatcher during the 1980s. Now they face an overnight transition to World Trade Organization terms on 1 January – a disaster in their eyes – under another Conservative prime minister."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Flying with Easyjet/Ryanair/British Airways is like sex with your ex, at the start you think it'll be fun, but 10 minutes in and you wonder why you even bothered and full of regret for ages.
    Emirates, Singapore or private for you then.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317

    Flying with Easyjet/Ryanair/British Airways is like sex with your ex, at the start you think it'll be fun, but 10 minutes in and you wonder why you even bothered and full of regret for ages.
    The trick is to only ever fly first class. ;)
  • Sandpit said:

    Emirates, Singapore or private for you then.
    Emirates and Etihad I love.
  • Kay Burley almost screaming at Matt Hancock this morning on this topic. I think the man (or woman) on the Clapham omnibus knows what the regulations intend. It certainly isn't a drinking pub where customers ring out for Mcdonalds to get round the rules. I have the utmost sympathy for the hospitality sector, and in truth we should probably be borrowing even more money to keep them closed until normality rears its head, but the behaviour of media dickheads is not helping.
    If we had a fraction of the time and effort spent raising questions on fixed costs and overheads that need paying without trade that we do on stupid ephemera like takeaways to a wet pub then we might get to the bottom of some real issues.
  • A substantial meal is a very old and established term in licensing laws. Its been used for decades for example with regards to serving alcohol in restaurants to 16 and 17 year olds.

    Pratting around with loopholes is just stupid. Restaurants and pubs and customers know what the rules are as much as people in the media put of affectations of idiocy.

    Manchester police got completely baffled as to whether a 22 inch slice of pizza was worthy of counting as a substantial meal. The word slice seemed to take priority over the size of the damned thing for some reason.

    You might be clear in your head but if there is no clear guidance to whoever is in charge of enforcement then the whole thing becomes messy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    Either way then Boris would get his EU Deal through, he would need Labour to oppose as well as all the other opposition parties and about 50 Tory No Deal hardliners for it to fail to pass
  • Fake news.

    I don't believe for a second Starmer doesn't want to abstain. 🤣
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,550
    edited December 2020
    Not again! I've covered this point so many times and I really am getting sick of constantly having to repeat myself on here.

    Scotch eggs can be quite filling.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    But the media would spend three days screaming that, as a healthy man in his fifties, he was abusing his position to jump the queue.
  • Twitter trolls would say it was saline he was getting injected. Can't win with these idiots.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Only 66%?

    At least there's no suggestion of him having his daughter vaccinated on TV. Compare Mr Selwyn Gummer and the burger at the heigth of the nvCJD/BSE panic.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/16/newsid_2913000/2913807.stm
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,058
    edited December 2020
    Good article, very surprised to find a local pub doing a comedy night where they can indeed serve alcohol without a meal. On other nights they can't. Makes no sense. Could every pub just charge 50p entry and tell the bar staff to tell their best gags? Or just book Gavin Williamson to tell us his latest plans?
  • RobD said:

    The trick is to only ever fly first class. ;)
    AIUI Easyjet and Ryanair are the peasant wagons of the air and have no first class.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,407

    Fake news.

    I don't believe for a second Starmer doesn't want to abstain. 🤣
    He has to vote for any agreed deal though.
  • FenmanFenman Posts: 1,047
    kinabalu said:

    Not again! I've covered this point so many times and I really am getting sick of constantly having to repeat myself on here.

    Scotch eggs can be quite filling.

    It's Masterchef tonight. Chef's challenge? Make a Scotch Egg into a meal.
  • Sandpit said:

    But the media would spend three days screaming that, as a healthy man in his fifties, he was abusing his position to jump the queue.
    Matt's in his forties.

    He's only a few weeks younger than me.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317

    AIUI Easyjet and Ryanair are the peasant wagons of the air and have no first class.
    Sounds horrific.
  • Won't the media then complain he is jumping the queue....
    Yep. Johnson's new press officer spotted this one straight away.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    kinabalu said:

    Not again! I've covered this point so many times and I really am getting sick of constantly having to repeat myself on here.

    Scotch eggs can be quite filling.

    It does depend on the species and, if necessary, breed of the avian.

    https://www.waitrose.com/home/recipes/recipe_directory/m/mini_scotch_eggs_with_quail_eggs.html
  • Sandpit said:

    But the media would spend three days screaming that, as a healthy man in his fifties, he was abusing his position to jump the queue.
    And Toby Young et al would say the syringe was actually empty......
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Fenman said:

    It's Masterchef tonight. Chef's challenge? Make a Scotch Egg into a meal.
    Goose egg, proper sausagemeat, served with pickled beetroot and potatoes.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Matt's in his forties.

    He's only a few weeks younger than me.
    F**k, so he’s younger than me too. Born 2nd October 1978 according to the Wiki.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    And Toby Young et al would say the syringe was actually empty......
    Which would prove Mr Y et al's ignorance - instant embolism (how dangerous I'm not sure).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,161
    "To really get the economy moving, give private sector Londoners priority for the vaccine

    Anyone who commutes to work by tube should arguably take preference over retired 70 year-olds living in suburbs who rarely mix in crowds
    Ross Clark" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/02/really-get-economy-moving-give-private-sector-londoners-priority/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited December 2020
    HYUFD said:
    Whoever does his PR is a sharp operator....just happens to be looking at Baby Yoda toys. That thing that everybody talks about. Where as if Boris was doing such a PR stunt, it would be history books section.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,442
    edited December 2020

    Whoever does his PR is a sharp operator....just happens to be looking at Baby Yoda toys. That thing that everybody talks about. Where as if Boris was doing such a PR stunt, it would be history books section.
    Grogu toys.

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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,498
    Surely it depends on the deal. If the deal looks rubbish, I can see an argument for Labour abstention (though I still think nodding it through to avoid 'no deal chaos' is the better option for them). It the deal looks better than expectations, abstaining just looks sour grapes.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,877

    Won't the media then complain he is jumping the queue....
    It would be a bit pointless since he's had the lurgy already.
  • I would like to rescind my acknowledgement of the early Pfizer vaccine approval as a potential benefit of Brexit, as I now see that this is fake news. Kicking myself for the elementary mistake of believing anything the government says.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,161
    Updated Electoral Calculus forecast. Gives Con+DUP slightly more seats than Lab+SNP.

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,124
    Carnyx said:

    Only 66%?

    At least there's no suggestion of him having his daughter vaccinated on TV. Compare Mr Selwyn Gummer and the burger at the heigth of the nvCJD/BSE panic.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/16/newsid_2913000/2913807.stm
    The meat wasn’t from French cows, so she was perfectly safe.
  • Kay Burley almost screaming at Matt Hancock this morning on this topic. I think the man (or woman) on the Clapham omnibus knows what the regulations intend. It certainly isn't a drinking pub where customers ring out for Mcdonalds to get round the rules. I have the utmost sympathy for the hospitality sector, and in truth we should probably be borrowing even more money to keep them closed until normality rears its head, but the behaviour of media dickheads is not helping.
    I saw that interview and Burley is quite the most ridiculous presenter in the media and that says a lot
  • kinabalu said:

    I'm just intuiting that you would enjoy typing out such a sentence, that's all.

    "They lack the X Y and Z that we have in such abundance."

    Where X and Y and Z are Good Things.
    You ask a question, you get an answer, then you question people's motives for the answer. Its just the truth.

    Our MHRA was already very before Brexit which is in part why the EMA was based in the UK, this is a sector in which the UK does well like the Germans do car manufacturing well.

    As a consequence of Brexit the MHRA was expanding to take over functions currently the responsibility of the EMA. Also as the EU chose to relocate the EMA overseas many experienced EMA staff switched to the MHRA. See this article from the end of 2019: https://www.raps.org/news-and-articles/news-articles/2019/10/ema-staff-losses-tick-up-as-workload-increases
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Surely it depends on the deal. If the deal looks rubbish, I can see an argument for Labour abstention (though I still think nodding it through to avoid 'no deal chaos' is the better option for them). It the deal looks better than expectations, abstaining just looks sour grapes.
    Why would Labour need to vote for deal X simply to allow it to happen? HYUFD keeps saying that that nice Mr Johnson has lots of majority even with the SNP agin him.
  • Abstention looks limp.

    Reminds me of Clegg and a potential referendum on Lisbon.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,304
    IanB2 said:

    Across the entire EU and UK the fishing industry employed only 180,000 people in 2017.

    Are you sure? Every port in every Mediterranean village and the East Coast of Scotland included?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    Andy_JS said:

    Updated Electoral Calculus forecast. Gives Con+DUP slightly more seats than Lab+SNP.

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

    But Lab+SNP+LD is more than Con+DUP, making Ed Davey Kingmaker
  • Andy_JS said:

    "To really get the economy moving, give private sector Londoners priority for the vaccine

    Anyone who commutes to work by tube should arguably take preference over retired 70 year-olds living in suburbs who rarely mix in crowds
    Ross Clark" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/02/really-get-economy-moving-give-private-sector-londoners-priority/

    A brave stance in the newspaper of choice for retired 70 year-old living in suburbs who rarely mix in crowds.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,977
    IanB2 said:

    Across the entire EU and UK the fishing industry employed only 180,000 people in 2017.

    Quite normal - Parkinson's bike shed law.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866
    edited December 2020
    UK cases by specimen date

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  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,647
    rcs1000 said:

    That's not *quite* true.

    There haven't been any really serious side effects that we're *sure* are caused by the vaccine. One of the AZ participants spent a night in hospital with some inflammation in the spinal cord. We just don't know if that was caused by the vaccine, or simply a consequence of someone, somewhere having something bad happen because - you know - with 40,000 people, there are going to be some people who get sick for some reason.
    I fail to see why the exchange that you are having is so crazy.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794
    HYUFD said:
    Surprised he's not wearing that stupid hoodie over shirt and tie combo that looks completely idiotic.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866
    UK cases by specimen date and scaled to 100K population

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  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,794

    A brave stance in the newspaper of choice for retired 70 year-old living in suburbs who rarely mix in crowds.
    Reading the comments it's also the anti-vaxxer newspaper of choice so they might be playing to the crowd a bit "let young Londoners you hate test it first".
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Whoever does his PR is a sharp operator....just happens to be looking at Baby Yoda toys. That thing that everybody talks about. Where as if Boris was doing such a PR stunt, it would be history books section.
    His master might not be too pleased about that...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvVtwQ8ra4k
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866
    UK local R

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  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,304

    I don't like buying venison because it's a little dear. I said DEAR*

    But thanks for your suggestion, this weekend I am going to make a Scotch egg using kofta meat, I just have one question, does the egg need to be runny?

    *Phonetical joke.
    When I saw the photo I expected more yokes. Should be thankful for small mercies I suppose
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,498

    I would like to rescind my acknowledgement of the early Pfizer vaccine approval as a potential benefit of Brexit, as I now see that this is fake news. Kicking myself for the elementary mistake of believing anything the government says.

    Standard EU MO isn't it? Get called on something, say 'No no no, every member state has the right!' - yet strangely enough none have used it. It will be nice (and is already nice) to be unequivocally outside the purview of such laws/regulations/recommendations/helpful hints, so that it's absolutely clear who is responsible for fuck ups as and when they occur.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866
    UK case summary

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    UK hospitals

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  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,304
    HYUFD said:
    Does Richi go anywhere without his personal photographer?
  • Andy_JS said:

    "To really get the economy moving, give private sector Londoners priority for the vaccine

    Anyone who commutes to work by tube should arguably take preference over retired 70 year-olds living in suburbs who rarely mix in crowds
    Ross Clark" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/02/really-get-economy-moving-give-private-sector-londoners-priority/

    Nine months into having restrictions and Ross Clark still hasn't figured out that the reason the young people commuting are having restrictions is so that it doesn't spread to the vulnerable - not to protect them themselves. 🙄

    High risk spreaders like care staff and NHS absolutely, but protect the vulnerable directly and the young won't need the restrictions since they're already pretty safe.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866
    UK deaths

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  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,977
    edited December 2020
    In the early 60s (I think), Elvis was vaccinated with the Salk polio vaccine on live tv. Apparently that was a major boost to the vaccination campaign.

  • HYUFD said:
    Is John Gummer's daughter available?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Roger said:

    Does Richi go anywhere without his personal photographer?
    It worked for Douglas MacArthur.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 53,866
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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    Don't know but 2 of his sons were at my school at the same time as me
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,002
    Was there a menu of medical procedures to choose from ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,124

    Abstention looks limp.

    Reminds me of Clegg and a potential referendum on Lisbon.

    When I am limp, I abstain.

    When it is hard, I withdraw.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,304
    HYUFD said:

    Either way then Boris would get his EU Deal through, he would need Labour to oppose as well as all the other opposition parties and about 50 Tory No Deal hardliners for it to fail to pass
    Makes a huge difference. It would be the biggest mistake of Starmer's political career to vote with Johnson on a deal.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,090
    RobD said:

    The trick is to only ever fly first class. ;)
    You fly commercial?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,131
    edited December 2020
    I think if we want to boost the vaccine campaign, all those politicians and celebs that broke lockdown should be forced to have it live on tv....
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,549
    geoffw said:

    In the early 60s (I think), Elvis was vaccinated with the Salk polio vaccine on live tv. Apparently that was a major boost to the vaccination campaign.

    Let's get the right people for the job at each phase: Attenborough and HMQ.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,498
    Carnyx said:

    Why would Labour need to vote for deal X simply to allow it to happen? HYUFD keeps saying that that nice Mr Johnson has lots of majority even with the SNP agin him.
    To vote for what they think should happen.

    It'll be a weapon against the SNP if they vote against a (broadly popular) deal too - having ramped up no deal chaos. Granted, with the SNP, they are between a rock and a hard place as a large proportion of their supporters would think voting for any Tory deal was totally unacceptable.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,877
    geoffw said:

    Quite normal - Parkinson's bike shed law.

    If it was just about economics, it would indeed be a trivial item on the agenda. A rounding error.

    It isn't though, is it? It is a principle of sovereignty.


    The state support stuff is potentially much bigger economically but doesn't have quite the same implications (at least in my mind).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,594
    edited December 2020
    Carnyx said:

    Why would Labour need to vote for deal X simply to allow it to happen? HYUFD keeps saying that that nice Mr Johnson has lots of majority even with the SNP agin him.
    He does but if 50 or more No Deal hardliners on the Tory backbenches voted against a Boris EU trade deal he would need Labour to at least abstain to get it through, Labour it seems will at most abstain as Starmer tries to win back the Red Wall, he knows he will win inner city diehard Remainier by miles anyway
  • HYUFD said:

    Don't know but 2 of his sons were at my school at the same time as me
    Naturally I wish them and their sister the very best of health. But cometh the hour etc. etc.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    To vote for what they think should happen.

    It'll be a weapon against the SNP if they vote against a (broadly popular) deal too - having ramped up no deal chaos. Granted, with the SNP, they are between a rock and a hard place as a large proportion of their supporters would think voting for any Tory deal was totally unacceptable.
    Thanks.
  • rcs1000 said:

    You fly commercial?
    Fly? You mean haven't got your new teleporter kept secret for the elite?
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