You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
Well, sensibly, the Greeks outsourced their Royal family to immigrants.... So it depends on your point of view....
That's why beer is called Fix in Athens. Genuinely.
This is what '97 felt like on our side of the political divide. Enjoy!
Coming soon to the UK.
You'll be lucky.
Labour stooge posts like this pump me up.
Like the pumped up MAGA nuts currently in tears.
I'll fight your lot all the way mate.
You and Southam have been really pissing me off with your partisan crap recently.
You do know that you’re quite partisan yourself. We simply disagree with you. It’s ok. And you know what when we defeat your gang, it will be ok too.
But today is a good day. Time to celebrate and be inspired.
I've just opened a nicely chilled Italian pinot grigio (while I cam still get it at a decent price).
Some teasing is perhaps permissible, and I have indulged a little bit. But we should go easy on it very soon and try and stick to the substantive content and argument. We don't want to drive our colleagues to Conservative Home or Order Order - they do a good job in showing how the other half thinks and argues.
It is striking and frankly surprising how some Tories are upset about Trump’s defeat. The man is dangerous. Anyone who thinks nuking hurricanes is a good idea or injecting bleach is a good way to kill a virus is demonstrably not presidential. And yet they mourn. Bizarre.
It's not just that. In fact I don't think that is the most important thing. He's a tax dodging draft dodging six times bankrupt whose grandfather left him billions. He's said that those billions entitle him to do whatever he likes to women and anyone else.
They're just asking a black lady what it's like to have a black woman as VP and she said it makes her want to cry. Her 18 year old daughter has someone to look up to. Who other than a complete idiot could look up to Trump?
This is what '97 felt like on our side of the political divide. Enjoy!
Coming soon to the UK.
You'll be lucky.
Labour stooge posts like this pump me up.
Like the pumped up MAGA nuts currently in tears.
I'll fight your lot all the way mate.
You and Southam have been really pissing me off with your partisan crap recently.
You do know that you’re quite partisan yourself. We simply disagree with you. It’s ok. And you know what when we defeat your gang, it will be ok too.
But today is a good day. Time to celebrate and be inspired.
I've just opened a nicely chilled Italian pinot grigio (while I cam still get it at a decent price).
Some teasing is perhaps permissible, and I have indulged a little bit. But we should go easy on it very soon and try and stick to the substantive content and argument. We don't want to drive our colleagues to Conservative Home or Order Order - they do a good job in showing how the other half thinks and argues.
It is striking and frankly surprising how some Tories are upset about Trump’s defeat. The man is dangerous. Anyone who thinks nuking hurricanes is a good idea or injecting bleach is a good way to kill a virus is demonstrably not presidential. And yet they mourn. Bizarre.
It's not just that. In fact I don't think that is the most important thing. He's a tax dodging draft dodging six times bankrupt whose grandfather left him billions. He's said that those billions entitle him to do whatever he likes to women and anyone else.
They're just asking a black lady what it's like to have a black woman as VP and she said it makes her want to cry. Her 18 year old daughter has someone to look up to. Who other than a complete idiot could look up to Trump?
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
I think your assumption that Trump will win Alabama is safe.
But even if he won in Arizona and Georgia, Biden would still be president. He can fight as much as he likes, but unless you think he can win a court case, he will only succeed in making himself look more and more stupid and pathetic.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Considering however Philip had disparaged his courage and questioned his integrity, it was a good burn.
Just gets better and better for Bozo , his best pal chucked out , Europe grovelling surrender coming up, trouble re Ireland debacle and now The US - Scotland Angle
“I think the United Kingdom - look, I learned from Scottish friends, the last thing to do is to suggest to a Scot what he should do ... Scotland's democratic will must be respected." Joe Biden
Indeed it should, we must respect Scotland's decisive 55% vote to stay in the UK in 2014
Just gets better and better for Bozo , his best pal chucked out , Europe grovelling surrender coming up, trouble re Ireland debacle and now The US - Scotland Angle
“I think the United Kingdom - look, I learned from Scottish friends, the last thing to do is to suggest to a Scot what he should do ... Scotland's democratic will must be respected." Joe Biden
Indeed it should, we must respect Scotland's decisive 55% vote to stay in the UK in 2014
I'm not sure how it's in the interest of the USA to will the split of the UK.
Apparently Giuliani said something about not having to prove ballots were invalid, because it was up to the officials to prove they were valid by convincing party observers.
An odd notion, giving party observers a veto on any election result they don't like. Observers on both sides!
What's in it for Giuliani? Does Trump have photos of him adjusting his sound equipment or something?
He needs to get rid of Giuliani, the man is a f****** idiot
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
Firstly, Arizona isn't going to be won by Trump.
Secondly, even if it was (which it won't), then Georgia is going to go for Biden, so Pennsylvania isn't relevant.
Thirdly, without utterly compelling evidence (which doesn't exist), the Supreme Court is not going to overturn a 75,000+ vote margin. The very most Trump could hope for would be a redo.
Fourthly, in such a redo, you would have to make Biden the prohibitive favourite.
Edit to add: on recounts, I can think of one occasion ever in the UK when a recount has made a difference. And then it was a ten vote margin in a 60,000 vote constituency. This is a margin of almost two orders of magnitude more.
Congratulations to Biden but the reaction of so many of the wrong people to his victory makes me want to vomit.
Reminds me why Trump won in the first place.
Trump is scum and so many of the people who voted for Trump are scum. Yes they have a democratic right to vote, but it doesn't change who they are.
I don't share your choice of words but Royale will just tell you to fuck off so to save that, I will say, don't
I just look at that Van Jones clip. Trump and Trumpism are an inch away from fascism. As with the open lies told by Trump where you have to call them out its the same for the people who support him and them.
People know what he is. And vote for him. Yes its their democratic right to vote for whomever they want. But that doesn't excuse their actions.
Would you call your Trump-voting friends "scum" to their faces?
(Assuming you've got American friends, but I think most of us here have some.)
And if you don't have Trump-voting friends, isn't this indicative of a lack of unity and how tribal our societies are becoming? This latter point worries me, to be honest, because it increases the chances of other divisive leaders coming to the fore in the future.
For what it's worth, I don't think my Trump-voting friends are "scum", though I agree there are plenty of undesirables I'm less likely to be friends with who do vote Trump. But then if you want evidence of some really nasty people voting Democrat, there's a reason the Democrats are keen on felons voting, so I think - as is often the case - a cosy sense of moral superiority should usually be replaced by a somewhat less comfortable and more ambiguous feeling.
I have friends in America. They didn't vote for Trump. As far as the event itself goes there is a world of difference between people who voted for him in 2016 and the people who voted for *that* in 2020.
Again this is beyond party politics. This is about right and wrong. Yes it will take time to heal the divisions in America but they will heal.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
Firstly, Arizona isn't going to be won by Trump.
Secondly, even if it was (which it won't), then Georgia is going to go for Biden, so Pennsylvania isn't relevant.
Thirdly, without utterly compelling evidence (which doesn't exist), the Supreme Court is not going to overturn a 75,000+ vote margin. The very most Trump could hope for would be a redo.
Fourthly, in such a redo, you would have to make Biden the prohibitive favourite.
Edit to add: on recounts, I can think of one occasion ever in the UK when a recount has made a difference. And then it was a ten vote margin in a 60,000 vote constituency. This is a margin of almost two orders of magnitude more.
Is a redo even possible under the US Constitution?
Just gets better and better for Bozo , his best pal chucked out , Europe grovelling surrender coming up, trouble re Ireland debacle and now The US - Scotland Angle
“I think the United Kingdom - look, I learned from Scottish friends, the last thing to do is to suggest to a Scot what he should do ... Scotland's democratic will must be respected." Joe Biden
Indeed it should, we must respect Scotland's decisive 55% vote to stay in the UK in 2014
Me too. It's frankly outrageous that Scotland is now independent after voting No. The proper way to respect the vote would have been for Scotland to stay as part of the UK.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Prince Philip's war record was a good deal more impressive than that of any Brazilian general.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Yeah, particularly good weekend for having a laugh at surviving WW2 veterans. You fought for the country in a lot of full-on, shooting naval engagements?
A wonderful day across America, and across the world. 2020 really had a twist in the tale didn’t it?
You make it sound like it is a shock Trump got beat, the guy 10% behind in the polls for months. No COVID perhaps he stood a chance, but as soon as it became clear his handling was a disaster and was openingly promoting incredibly dangerous behaviour, surely you didn't believe he could win.
Yes, I did.
I backed Trumpton at 270-299 and lost - by my terms - quite a lot of money.
"All these claims of fraud are falling away as actual evidence does not back up the claims"
They gave several examples my favourite was the Nevada ones . GOP lawyers could only bring forward one woman who claimed her vote was stolen Turns out her Postal vote was counted and the court heard she tried to fraudulently vote twice. In same court turns out the claim of thousands of votes in Nevada being illegal as they didnt live in the State was dismissed as almost all the names were in the Military serving abroad so not illegal at all,
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
GA won't flip on a recount PA will go the certified vote
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
Firstly, Arizona isn't going to be won by Trump.
Secondly, even if it was (which it won't), then Georgia is going to go for Biden, so Pennsylvania isn't relevant.
Thirdly, without utterly compelling evidence (which doesn't exist), the Supreme Court is not going to overturn a 75,000+ vote margin. The very most Trump could hope for would be a redo.
Fourthly, in such a redo, you would have to make Biden the prohibitive favourite.
Edit to add: on recounts, I can think of one occasion ever in the UK when a recount has made a difference. And then it was a ten vote margin in a 60,000 vote constituency. This is a margin of almost two orders of magnitude more.
Is a redo even possible under the US Constitution?
I think a recount could be ordered, but not a re-vote.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Considering however Philip had disparaged his courage and questioned his integrity, it was a good burn.
For a bit of context - the US basically strong armed Brazil into the war. Previously had been doing a nice, profitable trade with the Axis until that got cut off.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Yeah, particularly good weekend for having a laugh at surviving WW2 veterans. You fought for the country in a lot of full-on, shooting naval engagements?
Who's laughing? I'm simply saying there's a whole bunch of medals he wouldn't have won from his military service alone. I mean, it's obviously true.
This is what '97 felt like on our side of the political divide. Enjoy!
Coming soon to the UK.
You'll be lucky.
Labour stooge posts like this pump me up.
Like the pumped up MAGA nuts currently in tears.
I'll fight your lot all the way mate.
You and Southam have been really pissing me off with your partisan crap recently.
You do know that you’re quite partisan yourself. We simply disagree with you. It’s ok. And you know what when we defeat your gang, it will be ok too.
But today is a good day. Time to celebrate and be inspired.
I've just opened a nicely chilled Italian pinot grigio (while I cam still get it at a decent price).
Some teasing is perhaps permissible, and I have indulged a little bit. But we should go easy on it very soon and try and stick to the substantive content and argument. We don't want to drive our colleagues to Conservative Home or Order Order - they do a good job in showing how the other half thinks and argues.
It is striking and frankly surprising how some Tories are upset about Trump’s defeat. The man is dangerous. Anyone who thinks nuking hurricanes is a good idea or injecting bleach is a good way to kill a virus is demonstrably not presidential. And yet they mourn. Bizarre.
Are there any of the usual Tories on here who are upset by this? We have had one or two recent arrivals who are keen on him, but none of the long standing ones.
As has been said above: this was not about right v left but right v wrong.
I've no objection at all to seeing Trump beaten.
In fact, it's almost the ideal result. The orange shit-stain has been chucked out, the Republicans have probably held the Senate, they've made gains in the House, and retained a large majority of State legislatures. And, there's a six-three conservative majority in SCOTUS.
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
Firstly, Arizona isn't going to be won by Trump.
Secondly, even if it was (which it won't), then Georgia is going to go for Biden, so Pennsylvania isn't relevant.
Thirdly, without utterly compelling evidence (which doesn't exist), the Supreme Court is not going to overturn a 75,000+ vote margin. The very most Trump could hope for would be a redo.
Fourthly, in such a redo, you would have to make Biden the prohibitive favourite.
Edit to add: on recounts, I can think of one occasion ever in the UK when a recount has made a difference. And then it was a ten vote margin in a 60,000 vote constituency. This is a margin of almost two orders of magnitude more.
Is a redo even possible under the US Constitution?
Good question.
Simply, there is no chance that the US Supreme Court, which contains many distinguished legal scholars* who will have their eyes firmly on the history books, will overturn an election won by a large margin and plunge the United States into civil war.
(Plus, they will not want to create the slightest pretext for court packing.)
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
Firstly, Arizona isn't going to be won by Trump.
Secondly, even if it was (which it won't), then Georgia is going to go for Biden, so Pennsylvania isn't relevant.
Thirdly, without utterly compelling evidence (which doesn't exist), the Supreme Court is not going to overturn a 75,000+ vote margin. The very most Trump could hope for would be a redo.
Fourthly, in such a redo, you would have to make Biden the prohibitive favourite.
Edit to add: on recounts, I can think of one occasion ever in the UK when a recount has made a difference. And then it was a ten vote margin in a 60,000 vote constituency. This is a margin of almost two orders of magnitude more.
Is a redo even possible under the US Constitution?
Good question.
Simply, there is no chance that the US Supreme Court, which contains many distinguished legal scholars* who will have their eyes firmly on the history books, will overturn an election won by a large margin and plunge the United States into civil war.
(Plus, they will not want to create the slightest pretext for court packing.)
Apparently Giuliani said something about not having to prove ballots were invalid, because it was up to the officials to prove they were valid by convincing party observers.
An odd notion, giving party observers a veto on any election result they don't like. Observers on both sides!
What's in it for Giuliani? Does Trump have photos of him adjusting his sound equipment or something?
He needs to get rid of Giuliani, the man is a f****** idiot
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Yeah, particularly good weekend for having a laugh at surviving WW2 veterans. You fought for the country in a lot of full-on, shooting naval engagements?
Prince Philip's war record was, by any measure, more impressive than that of any Brazilian general.
Apparently Giuliani said something about not having to prove ballots were invalid, because it was up to the officials to prove they were valid by convincing party observers.
An odd notion, giving party observers a veto on any election result they don't like. Observers on both sides!
What's in it for Giuliani? Does Trump have photos of him adjusting his sound equipment or something?
He needs to get rid of Giuliani, the man is a f****** idiot
I would say Giuliani needs to get rid of Trump.
I’d say they deserve each other.
They'll be interviewing each other on Trump Town TV in a year's time.
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
Firstly, Arizona isn't going to be won by Trump.
Secondly, even if it was (which it won't), then Georgia is going to go for Biden, so Pennsylvania isn't relevant.
Thirdly, without utterly compelling evidence (which doesn't exist), the Supreme Court is not going to overturn a 75,000+ vote margin. The very most Trump could hope for would be a redo.
Fourthly, in such a redo, you would have to make Biden the prohibitive favourite.
Edit to add: on recounts, I can think of one occasion ever in the UK when a recount has made a difference. And then it was a ten vote margin in a 60,000 vote constituency. This is a margin of almost two orders of magnitude more.
Is a redo even possible under the US Constitution?
Good question.
Simply, there is no chance that the US Supreme Court, which contains many distinguished legal scholars* who will have their eyes firmly on the history books, will overturn an election won by a large margin and plunge the United States into civil war.
(Plus, they will not want to create the slightest pretext for court packing.)
* And Kavanaugh
Didn’t stop the Dred Scott fiasco and the striking down of Kansas Nebraska.
Edit - not that I disagree with the substance of your port, btw.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Yeah, particularly good weekend for having a laugh at surviving WW2 veterans. You fought for the country in a lot of full-on, shooting naval engagements?
Who's laughing? I'm simply saying there's a whole bunch of medals he wouldn't have won from his military service alone. I mean, it's obviously true.
A lot of them are: it's just that there aren't many others out there who would have got the King George VI Coronation medal AND the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee medal...
Again, ridiculous, since leaders of various nations can enjoy a good relationship even if they would not agree with each others domestic politics, Democrats with Tory PMs, even Republicans with a Labour PM. Can Boris enjoy a good relationship with Biden? I suspect not, but their personal politics doesn't preclude it. It also presumes that because one side really likes the other leader, that will guarantee a good relationship, when the side in question might have little to do with the other despite that fangirling.
Again, I don't have an issue thinking it might happen, I just find it slightly pathetic that people are so certain how the personal relationships will go, because they so clearly want their view of the domestic political alignment to be confirmed in a personal way.
Commentators said that Boris is well on side with Biden on climate change and of course the UK is hosting next years summit, also on international defence security and NATO, together with G7 G20 and a shared interest in TPPA
That is a lot of shared interests
"Britain Trump" was not on the side of Biden!
Is that a label Boris himself adopted? If not, then who the hell cares if someone else called him Britain Trump?(Trump has said it, but I don't trust his judgement, do you?)
Precisely.
Boris developed the exact same movement in the UK as Trump did in the US. To deny it all of a sudden is rather laughable. Take back control = make America Great again.
Boris and Trump are similar in that they are primarily both in it for themselves. In terms of political ideology Boris/Trump analogy is less compelling to me.
The real similarity to me is Trump and Brexit. Both populist rebellions against the "metropolitan elite". I can recall in 2016 pretty much the same people gloating about Brexit and Trump's victory.
The Americans got to see the error of their ways and turf Trump out on his ear after 4 years, unfortunately we are stuck with Brexit for a generation.
Can someone tell me why North Carolina hasn't been called for Trump yet?
Because it's all late arriving postal votes to come (NC law allows them to arrive up to a week after the election so long as they're postmarked on or before).
And those will probably break heavily for Biden.
I had a very small nibble at some very long odds on Biden there.
I live in quite a Brexity area, but I think people are pleased Trump lost - there's been fireworks going off pretty much ever since CNN called it for Biden
Unsurprisingly the liberals are already forgetting that 70m people just voted for Trump. Hopefully Biden and his staff aren't so stupid.
I detest Trump, probably more so than 99% of the people on this site, but he got a hell of a lot of votes. The idea that Trump's kind of politics has been resoundingly thwarted is for the birds. I believe that if Trump has simply allowed Fauci and his colleagues to properly do their jobs then Trump would have almost certainly won the election.
EVERYBODY should realise that the US could easily elect another person as malign as Trump, but next time he or she will likely be smoother and smarter. I'm delighted that Biden has been elected, but the warning signs about the fragility of the US politcal system are clearer than ever.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Yeah, particularly good weekend for having a laugh at surviving WW2 veterans. You fought for the country in a lot of full-on, shooting naval engagements?
Prince Philip's war record was, by any measure, more impressive than that of any Brazilian general.
We don't know when this incident was - or what Senhor General had done, perhaps as a much younfer and more junior officer in the anti-submarine campaign (1942-45, so the point re not righting for long wasn ot fair) or ground andn air forces in Italy.
"The state board had extended the deadline for absentee ballots to be received at local election offices from Nov. 6 to Nov. 12 as part of a consent decree in a state lawsuit by voting rights advocates. They must be postmarked by Election Day. Counties have until Nov. 13 to finish counting."
Apparently Giuliani said something about not having to prove ballots were invalid, because it was up to the officials to prove they were valid by convincing party observers.
An odd notion, giving party observers a veto on any election result they don't like. Observers on both sides!
What's in it for Giuliani? Does Trump have photos of him adjusting his sound equipment or something?
He needs to get rid of Giuliani, the man is a f****** idiot
I would say Giuliani needs to get rid of Trump.
I’d say they deserve each other.
They both have in common that they talk all sorts of crap, and you'd really not want them in power, but when actually in power they didn't do such a bad job.
There was a similar effect with Livingstone in London, and I guess others may argue with Boris.
Quite how this contrasts with Obama (say) who seemed great, but really managed to achieve a poor outcome I don't know.
I live in quite a Brexity area, but I think people are pleased Trump lost - there's been fireworks going off pretty much ever since CNN called it for Biden
Trump transcends Brexit.
The way I look at this is to think: does this person have characteristics I would be proud of in my children?
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
The Italian heavy cruisers Fiume, Pola, and Zara all had their main guns trained for and aft. The recent book by John Gooch Mussolini's War implied that The Regina Marina had not pursued radar technology.
Thats the Capitol building of Congress, not the White House...
Who'd want to kiss the White House after the Trumps have lived there
It is amazing what councils have to do to prepare a house for the next tenant. In this case Joe won't just need a decent cleaner, I hope he knows someone who knows a good plasterer.
Biden can wait he was on a call with Saint Marcus of Manchester Marcus Rashford MBE @MarcusRashford Just had a great conversation with the Prime Minister, now is the time for collaboration Flag of United Kingdom
Can someone check if Contrarian and Brokenwheel are ok? They were posting quite prolifically until Wednesday then nada. I feel that only the most dire circumstance would make them miss this PB moment.
I'll conduct some welfare checks on them, it's what the site editorial team should do.
I can't believe nobody is checking on me as well
Re the call of the networks for Biden, some feedback from what hearing the other side of the pond.
1. @CarlottaVance is right. The networks' call doesn't have legal force. The feeling is this is definitely a PR move to force acceptance and push a narrative before recounts are over.
2. The thoughts over there is some surprise Biden has pushed it this evening as two states are under official recount (Georgia and Wisconsin) and a third (Arizona) hasn't called but it may go to a recount. Also that PA was called given it is under a Supreme Court order. It was pointed out, if you take out the the states under official recount, Biden only has 269 votes even with PA;
3. Trump actually delivered something that was tangible on the vote front but it wasn't fraud. One of the counties in Michigan reported that a software glitch transferred 6000 votes from Trump to Biden and has reversed it out. The same piece of software is in nearly 50 counties in Michigan and in Georgia. That - possibly - could be important because it would mean individual counties (who have responsibility for vote counts) running checks and bypassing the need to go to the courts. On the other hand, it may not matter at all and it might just be one county with an issue. Nobody knows but it is an area of focus.
4. This is a personal thought - re Johnson, I don't think he will call this yet for Biden (though I might be wrong). I think he will wait to see what happens with Trump's reaction and what others do. Remember Trump still has two months in office.
More importantly, when will the Bookies pay out on the result?
Despite all the talk sadly there is not the slightest sign of Trump conceding and an outside possibility of litigation making a difference, while there is a real prospect of litigation making a challenge. Too early to say anything else at all at the moment. Let's hope he concedes soon. Fox News while calling it for Biden is also saying that it is far from over. I am sorry to say I agree for the moment.
I said it before but I will repeat it, I think the Arizona count here could be absolutely critical to how this whole situation plays out. He's at 20K margin and if you look at the counties with the largest shares of the vote to come (10%+) all bar the small-ish Apache one are Republican by double digit. Pinal, where he is up 15%, has 27K votes to go.
Assuming a scenario where he wins NC and AL, a win in AZ puts Trump on 242. He's got a recount in Georgia which is by no means out given the wafer thin margin so you could (theoretically) be on 258.
It's clear from his statement that he will fight and it's a signal to others to join him. It's going to be very hard for the RNC to walk away from this. So this will drag on. Whether foreign leaders recognise Biden actually will count for sh1t as to how this plays out.
GA won't flip on a recount PA will go the certified vote
On Arizona, there is something wrong with the 97% figure for reported ballots still being shown. That was the figure shown this morning, and would imply about 100k ballots outstanding. But nearly 50k were reported today and the figure hasn't changed.
If half the outstanding ballots were reported today, then there are only about 50k yet to come and Trump will need a 40% lead in those ballots to catch up. That seems like a tall order. So far he has been achieving 20% or less.
I live in quite a Brexity area, but I think people are pleased Trump lost - there's been fireworks going off pretty much ever since CNN called it for Biden
Interesting story and details on the Novavax vaccine.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/will-small-long-shot-us-company-end-producing-best-coronavirus-vaccine ... It’s the only vaccine I’ve seen out of all the candidates that are further down the pipeline that actually had no viral replication in the nasal swabs of vaccinated animals,” says Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University. That’s important, she says, because stopping viral replication in the nose can reduce the spread of infection among people who may be unaware they are sick. But she cautions that monkeys are not people. “We can’t really conclude that this vaccine is going to be better in practice until we have some reliable safety and efficacy data in people.”...
Thats the Capitol building of Congress, not the White House...
Who'd want to kiss the White House after the Trumps have lived there
It is amazing what councils have to do to prepare a house for the next tenant. In this case Joe won't just need a decent cleaner, I hope he knows someone who knows a good plasterer.
You'd certainly be looking to replace all the mattresses.
I live in quite a Brexity area, but I think people are pleased Trump lost - there's been fireworks going off pretty much ever since CNN called it for Biden
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
The Italian heavy cruisers Fiume, Pola, and Zara all had their main guns trained for and aft. The recent book by John Gooch Mussolini's War implied that The Regina Marina had not pursued radar technology.
There's still some arguments on Italian radar - they actually had some decent systems in development*, but budget cuts due to the state of the Italian economy (massively overstretched by the idiot in charge) had put the program on hold. As you say, after Mattapan interest revived.
*Radar was invented multiple times, in just about every country you can think of, in the 1930s
Surprising that so much is available (over £650k) to back Biden at 1.04??
Decent annualised return. I'd take that.
Even better, I`ve just got some 1.17 on the -48.5 handicap market (which is a winner even if Biden loses Arizona). Losing Georgia is the risk, I guess.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
The Italian heavy cruisers Fiume, Pola, and Zara all had their main guns trained for and aft. The recent book by John Gooch Mussolini's War implied that The Regina Marina had not pursued radar technology.
That's true, but at a nautical mile or so range, it doesn't mean much - just think of HMS Belfast from, say, Tower Hill underground. The RN were all absolutely astounded by the guns being in the resting position. They certainly were expecting something much more on the qui vive [edit]. (And the air attacks in the Med. were dreadful, as well, anyway.)
Thats the Capitol building of Congress, not the White House...
Who'd want to kiss the White House after the Trumps have lived there
It is amazing what councils have to do to prepare a house for the next tenant. In this case Joe won't just need a decent cleaner, I hope he knows someone who knows a good plasterer.
You'd certainly be looking to replace all the mattresses.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Yeah, particularly good weekend for having a laugh at surviving WW2 veterans. You fought for the country in a lot of full-on, shooting naval engagements?
Prince Philip's war record was, by any measure, more impressive than that of any Brazilian general.
It fought in Italy from September 1944 to May 1945, while the Brazilian Navy as well as the Air Force also acted in the Battle of the Atlantic from the middle of 1942 until the end of the war. During the almost eight months of its campaign, fighting at the Gothic Line and in the 1945 final offensive, the FEB took 20,573 Axis prisoners, consisting of two generals, 892 officers, and 19,679 other ranks. Brazil was the only independent South American country to send ground troops to fight overseas during the Second World War, losing 948 men killed in action across all three services.
Surprising that so much is available (over £650k) to back Biden at 1.04??
Decent annualised return. I'd take that.
Even better, I`ve just got some 1.17 on the -48.5 handicap market (which is a winner even if Biden loses Arizona). Losing Georgia is the risk, I guess.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
The Italian heavy cruisers Fiume, Pola, and Zara all had their main guns trained for and aft. The recent book by John Gooch Mussolini's War implied that The Regina Marina had not pursued radar technology.
That's true, but at a nautical mile or so range, it doesn't mean much - just think of HMS Belfast from, say, Tower Hill underground. The RN were all absolutely astounded by the guns being in the resting position. They certainly were expecting something much more on the qui vive [edit]. (And the air attacks in the Med. were dreadful, as well, anyway.)
In general, the Italian forces were individually brave - just that they were less than motivated by their useless officers and worse government. And let down by abysmal supplies and lack of industrial capacity.
Interesting story and details on the Novavax vaccine.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/will-small-long-shot-us-company-end-producing-best-coronavirus-vaccine ... It’s the only vaccine I’ve seen out of all the candidates that are further down the pipeline that actually had no viral replication in the nasal swabs of vaccinated animals,” says Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University. That’s important, she says, because stopping viral replication in the nose can reduce the spread of infection among people who may be unaware they are sick. But she cautions that monkeys are not people. “We can’t really conclude that this vaccine is going to be better in practice until we have some reliable safety and efficacy data in people.”...
Interesting: of course it's perfectly possible that other vaccines see 90% reductons in viral reproduction in the nose, and this is splitting hairs.
Hopefully we'll see some vaccine results soonest. We could do with some more good news.
Congratulations to Biden but the reaction of so many of the wrong people to his victory makes me want to vomit.
Reminds me why Trump won in the first place.
Trump is scum and so many of the people who voted for Trump are scum. Yes they have a democratic right to vote, but it doesn't change who they are.
I don't share your choice of words but Royale will just tell you to fuck off so to save that, I will say, don't
I just look at that Van Jones clip. Trump and Trumpism are an inch away from fascism. As with the open lies told by Trump where you have to call them out its the same for the people who support him and them.
People know what he is. And vote for him. Yes its their democratic right to vote for whomever they want. But that doesn't excuse their actions.
Would you call your Trump-voting friends "scum" to their faces?
(Assuming you've got American friends, but I think most of us here have some.)
And if you don't have Trump-voting friends, isn't this indicative of a lack of unity and how tribal our societies are becoming? This latter point worries me, to be honest, because it increases the chances of other divisive leaders coming to the fore in the future.
For what it's worth, I don't think my Trump-voting friends are "scum", though I agree there are plenty of undesirables I'm less likely to be friends with who do vote Trump. But then if you want evidence of some really nasty people voting Democrat, there's a reason the Democrats are keen on felons voting, so I think - as is often the case - a cosy sense of moral superiority should usually be replaced by a somewhat less comfortable and more ambiguous feeling.
I have friends in America. They didn't vote for Trump. As far as the event itself goes there is a world of difference between people who voted for him in 2016 and the people who voted for *that* in 2020.
Again this is beyond party politics. This is about right and wrong. Yes it will take time to heal the divisions in America but they will heal.
Well there's a lot of cross-over between Trump-voters in 2016 and 2020. And rather more of the latter. There's an argument they're more morally culpable in 2020 than 2016, on the basis of better knowing what they were letting themselves in for, so if you genuinely believe it was "wronger" to vote Trump this time round, doesn't it trouble you that millions more voted for him than before?
Your last sentence strikes me as a platitude, though perhaps it's not intended as such. You started the very paragraph by stating this is about right and wrong, and therefore 70 million Americans have decided they are on the side of Wrong. According to your earlier post, they are the "scum". What's going to heal this so that, in future elections, they are at least Not Completely Evil and maybe reach the heights of mere "semi-scum"? A re-education programme? Psych-ops to instil moral character reform? Demographic replacement? And what does it say about the divisions across our social matrix if (and I'm not talking about you specifically here, but a general phenomenon) a reasonably well-connected and urbane person can know not a single one of these Deplorables, bearing in mind they're only a fraction short of one half of American voters? It's not obvious to me that such divisions will be ended by healthy re-connections, bearing in mind the polarisation of social media, splintering of traditional media and increasing personalisation ("bubble-isation"?) of content.
Sorry to put a downer on what's overall a good night (even for many moderate Republicans, provided the Senate results end in their favour!) but I'm not convinced these rays of light we see are the dawn of a day that'll heal the wounds of the last one, and that there are a lot of searching questions everyone should be asking themselves right now. Certainly including Republicans who ought to be asking how their party drifted so far right of the US centre, how it got hijacked, what value they ought to be putting on the concept of "truth"... but also anybody who thought the Democrats either deserved or would receive an easy victory, and anyone with a snug sense of moral superiority who can't feel the pain of their Trump-supporting friends (or who can't at least empathise somewhat with those who feel 2020's vote has set America off on the wrong course).
Just gets better and better for Bozo , his best pal chucked out , Europe grovelling surrender coming up, trouble re Ireland debacle and now The US - Scotland Angle
“I think the United Kingdom - look, I learned from Scottish friends, the last thing to do is to suggest to a Scot what he should do ... Scotland's democratic will must be respected." Joe Biden
Indeed it should, we must respect Scotland's decisive 55% vote to stay in the UK in 2014
Can't crawl to Rump now, Bozo is on his own and friendless
That’s a foolish thing to say, as Trump will now argue that being Irish Biden is ineligible to be Potus.
Also there are no reported shortages in the armaments or companies of our Ships-of-the Line. Slight shortage of the ships themselves, but we're still not to be messed with.
Surprising that so much is available (over £650k) to back Biden at 1.04??
Decent annualised return. I'd take that.
Even better, I`ve just got some 1.17 on the -48.5 handicap market (which is a winner even if Biden loses Arizona). Losing Georgia is the risk, I guess.
That's mainly down to expectations. How could anyone even remotely acceptable lose to Trump?
It's horrifying how a racist lunatic, who is plainly a crook in hock to America's enemies, has won once and got a hell of lot of votes a second time. This is not a sign of good health for the American political system. It's a continuation of things like Perot, the Tea Party, Palin, swiftboating, birtherism, and now Trump himself. I really worry about the next step on this path, we are fortunate that Trump is about as stupid, dishonest, and repugnant as a person gets.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
I hope he gets the associated medals shined more brilliantly.
I don't like the habit of the royals to wear vast collections of undeserved medals. Nor generals for that matter.
Rank is inevitable, but medals could just be awarded when truly merited.
I think most medals are for being there, or long service. Not a huge number get awarded for particular deeds.
Prince Philip, visiting Brazil, saw a highly decorated general. Intrigued, he asked in which conflict the general won those medals. ‘The Second World War,’ came the reply.
‘I didn’t know Brazil was in the war that long,’ said Philip.
‘Well, at least I didn’t get them for marrying my wife,’ retorted the general.
Given what Philip did do in the war that was more than rude.
Yes, I'm certain he would have won the Member First Class of the Order of the Brilliant Star in 1963 had he not been married to the queen...
Yeah, particularly good weekend for having a laugh at surviving WW2 veterans. You fought for the country in a lot of full-on, shooting naval engagements?
Prince Philip's war record was, by any measure, more impressive than that of any Brazilian general.
It fought in Italy from September 1944 to May 1945, while the Brazilian Navy as well as the Air Force also acted in the Battle of the Atlantic from the middle of 1942 until the end of the war. During the almost eight months of its campaign, fighting at the Gothic Line and in the 1945 final offensive, the FEB took 20,573 Axis prisoners, consisting of two generals, 892 officers, and 19,679 other ranks. Brazil was the only independent South American country to send ground troops to fight overseas during the Second World War, losing 948 men killed in action across all three services.
Exactly , Phil the Greek should not be insulting anyone about medals.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
The Italian heavy cruisers Fiume, Pola, and Zara all had their main guns trained for and aft. The recent book by John Gooch Mussolini's War implied that The Regina Marina had not pursued radar technology.
That's true, but at a nautical mile or so range, it doesn't mean much - just think of HMS Belfast from, say, Tower Hill underground. The RN were all absolutely astounded by the guns being in the resting position. They certainly were expecting something much more on the qui vive [edit]. (And the air attacks in the Med. were dreadful, as well, anyway.)
Further to that, the Itaslians could have done some real damage with their 203m guns (ie eight inches, cf. Belfast 6"). Other than the central part of the hull over the engines, boilers and magazines, above the waterline it was only really the main turrets that weere armoured, one or two bits of the inner bridges apart. Much of the armour on battleships and cruisers was flat on the deck (literally) so not much good at point blank range where the trajectory was flattish. So our Phil was in a very exposed position, not much better than being in a tin piedish. Maybe some splinter protection if he was lucky.
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
The Italian heavy cruisers Fiume, Pola, and Zara all had their main guns trained for and aft. The recent book by John Gooch Mussolini's War implied that The Regina Marina had not pursued radar technology.
That's true, but at a nautical mile or so range, it doesn't mean much - just think of HMS Belfast from, say, Tower Hill underground. The RN were all absolutely astounded by the guns being in the resting position. They certainly were expecting something much more on the qui vive [edit]. (And the air attacks in the Med. were dreadful, as well, anyway.)
In general, the Italian forces were individually brave - just that they were less than motivated by their useless officers and worse government. And let down by abysmal supplies and lack of industrial capacity.
And like every good Italian I imagined they stopped fighting at noon thirty and resumed at 3.30pm?
You cannot see the knife in her other hand. He was lucky to get out of there alive.
We often forget Her Majesty has served in the military.
And her husband served in one of the Royal Navy's most complete naval victories.
Matapan, I presume you mean?
That's the one. Three cruisers for one Swordfish I think.
Phil the Greek got a Mention In Dispatches for that one, IIRC.
He was in charge of searchlight control, on his ship - at that period in time, radar, while vital wasn't suitable for complete blind aiming. The aim of searchlights in night fighting was to blind the enemy (imagine looking down a sighting telescope at a zillion candlepower) and illuminate the enemy for your ships to aim at.
Get it wrong and you have just lit a perfect beacon for the enemy.
Apparently, when they switched on, the lights were perfectly aimed at the Italian gunnery director towers. So they were blinded, while the British fleet fired multiple salvoes....
Isn't he more Phil the Dane?
The Italian heavy cruisers Fiume, Pola, and Zara all had their main guns trained for and aft. The recent book by John Gooch Mussolini's War implied that The Regina Marina had not pursued radar technology.
There's still some arguments on Italian radar - they actually had some decent systems in development*, but budget cuts due to the state of the Italian economy (massively overstretched by the idiot in charge) had put the program on hold. As you say, after Mattapan interest revived.
*Radar was invented multiple times, in just about every country you can think of, in the 1930s
One of the main themes in John Gooch's book considers Mussolini's failure to develop a coherent military and naval strategy. Behind the bombast, there was little there.
The Regina Marina manned torpedoes managed to damage HMS Valiant and Queen Elizabeth. It wasn't plain sailing for The RN in The Med.
Unsurprisingly the liberals are already forgetting that 70m people just voted for Trump. Hopefully Biden and his staff aren't so stupid.
Max. In a binary contest you win or lose. You should know this from Brexit. 17 million people were beyond pissed off but no one thought to try to share the spoils (and in that instance it was possible). Here it isn't. Trump is out and that's the way it is
The problem with that is, the Remainers consistently argued the complete opposite of what you just said - Leavers needed to reach out and get Remain onside, there had to be some acknowledgement of how close a result it was etc
It is quite extraordinary to see that case being made now
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They're just asking a black lady what it's like to have a black woman as VP and she said it makes her want to cry. Her 18 year old daughter has someone to look up to. Who other than a complete idiot could look up to Trump?
They need a Bush or Nixon in the ticket stat.
But even if he won in Arizona and Georgia, Biden would still be president. He can fight as much as he likes, but unless you think he can win a court case, he will only succeed in making himself look more and more stupid and pathetic.
Secondly, even if it was (which it won't), then Georgia is going to go for Biden, so Pennsylvania isn't relevant.
Thirdly, without utterly compelling evidence (which doesn't exist), the Supreme Court is not going to overturn a 75,000+ vote margin. The very most Trump could hope for would be a redo.
Fourthly, in such a redo, you would have to make Biden the prohibitive favourite.
Edit to add: on recounts, I can think of one occasion ever in the UK when a recount has made a difference. And then it was a ten vote margin in a 60,000 vote constituency. This is a margin of almost two orders of magnitude more.
Again this is beyond party politics. This is about right and wrong. Yes it will take time to heal the divisions in America but they will heal.
https://twitter.com/CurtRamsey1229/status/1325145695448309760?s=20
I backed Trumpton at 270-299 and lost - by my terms - quite a lot of money.
Oh well 🥂
"All these claims of fraud are falling away as actual evidence does not back up the claims"
They gave several examples my favourite was the Nevada ones
. GOP lawyers could only bring forward one woman who claimed her vote was stolen Turns out her Postal vote was counted and the court heard she tried to fraudulently vote twice.
In same court turns out the claim of thousands of votes in Nevada being illegal as they didnt live in the State was dismissed as almost all the names were in the Military serving abroad so not illegal at all,
Bunch of LOSERS
No wonder it took him so long to post it.
https://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1325147612618485771?s=20
PA will go the certified vote
In fact, it's almost the ideal result. The orange shit-stain has been chucked out, the Republicans have probably held the Senate, they've made gains in the House, and retained a large majority of State legislatures. And, there's a six-three conservative majority in SCOTUS.
Simply, there is no chance that the US Supreme Court, which contains many distinguished legal scholars* who will have their eyes firmly on the history books, will overturn an election won by a large margin and plunge the United States into civil war.
(Plus, they will not want to create the slightest pretext for court packing.)
* And Kavanaugh
Some people just have no commitment.
Edit - not that I disagree with the substance of your port, btw.
The real similarity to me is Trump and Brexit. Both populist rebellions against the "metropolitan elite". I can recall in 2016 pretty much the same people gloating about Brexit and Trump's victory.
The Americans got to see the error of their ways and turf Trump out on his ear after 4 years, unfortunately we are stuck with Brexit for a generation.
And those will probably break heavily for Biden.
I had a very small nibble at some very long odds on Biden there.
EVERYBODY should realise that the US could easily elect another person as malign as Trump, but next time he or she will likely be smoother and smarter. I'm delighted that Biden has been elected, but the warning signs about the fragility of the US politcal system are clearer than ever.
Apparently
"The state board had extended the deadline for absentee ballots to be received at local election offices from Nov. 6 to Nov. 12 as part of a consent decree in a state lawsuit by voting rights advocates. They must be postmarked by Election Day. Counties have until Nov. 13 to finish counting."
My bold
Biden: "BBC? I'm Irish."
https://twitter.com/NBurgessDFAT/status/1325144247973138433
There was a similar effect with Livingstone in London, and I guess others may argue with Boris.
Quite how this contrasts with Obama (say) who seemed great, but really managed to achieve a poor outcome I don't know.
It's odd.
The way I look at this is to think: does this person have characteristics I would be proud of in my children?
And Trump does not.
Marcus Rashford MBE
@MarcusRashford
Just had a great conversation with the Prime Minister, now is the time for collaboration Flag of United Kingdom
If half the outstanding ballots were reported today, then there are only about 50k yet to come and Trump will need a 40% lead in those ballots to catch up. That seems like a tall order. So far he has been achieving 20% or less.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/will-small-long-shot-us-company-end-producing-best-coronavirus-vaccine
... It’s the only vaccine I’ve seen out of all the candidates that are further down the pipeline that actually had no viral replication in the nasal swabs of vaccinated animals,” says Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University. That’s important, she says, because stopping viral replication in the nose can reduce the spread of infection among people who may be unaware they are sick. But she cautions that monkeys are not people. “We can’t really conclude that this vaccine is going to be better in practice until we have some reliable safety and efficacy data in people.”...
*Radar was invented multiple times, in just about every country you can think of, in the 1930s
It fought in Italy from September 1944 to May 1945, while the Brazilian Navy as well as the Air Force also acted in the Battle of the Atlantic from the middle of 1942 until the end of the war. During the almost eight months of its campaign, fighting at the Gothic Line and in the 1945 final offensive, the FEB took 20,573 Axis prisoners, consisting of two generals, 892 officers, and 19,679 other ranks. Brazil was the only independent South American country to send ground troops to fight overseas during the Second World War, losing 948 men killed in action across all three services.
Hopefully we'll see some vaccine results soonest. We could do with some more good news.
Your last sentence strikes me as a platitude, though perhaps it's not intended as such. You started the very paragraph by stating this is about right and wrong, and therefore 70 million Americans have decided they are on the side of Wrong. According to your earlier post, they are the "scum". What's going to heal this so that, in future elections, they are at least Not Completely Evil and maybe reach the heights of mere "semi-scum"? A re-education programme? Psych-ops to instil moral character reform? Demographic replacement? And what does it say about the divisions across our social matrix if (and I'm not talking about you specifically here, but a general phenomenon) a reasonably well-connected and urbane person can know not a single one of these Deplorables, bearing in mind they're only a fraction short of one half of American voters? It's not obvious to me that such divisions will be ended by healthy re-connections, bearing in mind the polarisation of social media, splintering of traditional media and increasing personalisation ("bubble-isation"?) of content.
Sorry to put a downer on what's overall a good night (even for many moderate Republicans, provided the Senate results end in their favour!) but I'm not convinced these rays of light we see are the dawn of a day that'll heal the wounds of the last one, and that there are a lot of searching questions everyone should be asking themselves right now. Certainly including Republicans who ought to be asking how their party drifted so far right of the US centre, how it got hijacked, what value they ought to be putting on the concept of "truth"... but also anybody who thought the Democrats either deserved or would receive an easy victory, and anyone with a snug sense of moral superiority who can't feel the pain of their Trump-supporting friends (or who can't at least empathise somewhat with those who feel 2020's vote has set America off on the wrong course).
It's horrifying how a racist lunatic, who is plainly a crook in hock to America's enemies, has won once and got a hell of lot of votes a second time. This is not a sign of good health for the American political system. It's a continuation of things like Perot, the Tea Party, Palin, swiftboating, birtherism, and now Trump himself. I really worry about the next step on this path, we are fortunate that Trump is about as stupid, dishonest, and repugnant as a person gets.
Did the Trumptons pay any attention to that fact that Trump didn't even win the popular vote?
The Regina Marina manned torpedoes managed to damage HMS Valiant and Queen Elizabeth. It wasn't plain sailing for The RN in The Med.
It is quite extraordinary to see that case being made now