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First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...0
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Hadn't realized that Biden was ahead in Texas in the average of polls. I have that in the Biden column0
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A nice dive into the polling numbers and what they mean for the viability of Trump's reelection strategy by Amy from the Cook Report. In short, Trump only meeting 1 of the 4 conditions for his strategy to succeed:
https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/gamble
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I'd thought we'd get one by end of next week, but they'll want to give the new measures some time, so I've not got that one.FrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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Ah, State polls, such heartache they can bring. Hopefully not this time and it's a Corbyn 2019 situation - that what we are seeing is indeed real.0
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https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1315770418758848517
Packed crowd, high fives followed by the good ol' hand to nose wipe at the end0 -
Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...0
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Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.0 -
On parties and local government, I do like the scope for localist parties, to a degree, though on larger councils you can end up with 2-3 different localist parties and multiple, different Independent Groups if you are unlucky, not to mention the ungrouped.2
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I was watching some college hand egg on Saturday and a number of stadiums had 15,000 in attendance, including the massive marching bands they have.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.0 -
CORRECTION Revised chart showing Trump ahead in Texas1
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However. We have the delights of a Tory/Bedlington Independents coalition.kle4 said:On parties and local government, I do like the scope for localist parties, to a degree, though on larger councils you can end up with 2-3 different localist parties and multiple, different Independent Groups if you are unlucky, not to mention the ungrouped.
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You and I both...FrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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Looks like Pennsylvania or Wisconsin will decide the winner of the EC and the Presidency then0
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Chart correctedTimT said:Hadn't realized that Biden was ahead in Texas in the average of polls. I have that in the Biden column
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"most Biden supporters voting by mail"HYUFD said:
Most Trump supporters will be voting on the day, most Biden supporters voting by mailPulpstar said:Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...
Rubbish. Millions more Democrat voters will be voting on the day than in advance.
If you mean proportionately then say so.2 -
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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The realistic scenario is 90% in lockdown and Devon / Cornwall as an exception.HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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Most Biden voters whether in absolute or percentage terms will be voting by mail in advance, not on the dayeristdoof said:
"most Biden supporters voting by mail"HYUFD said:
Most Trump supporters will be voting on the day, most Biden supporters voting by mailPulpstar said:Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...
Rubbish. Millions more Democrat voters will be voting on the day than in advance.
If you mean proportionately then say so.0 -
What does that mean in practice?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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If the rates in Essex and Merseyside were reversed, would there be a mutiny if similar local measures were introduced?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
Not being antagonistic, just interested in your assessment/opinion.0 -
Well over 100 Tory MPs maybe even a majority of Tory MPs voting against itJonathan said:
What does that mean in practice?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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The backbenchers sold out the farmers tonight. Who gets sold out next? Their price is not high.HYUFD said:
Well over 100 Tory MPs maybe even a majority of Tory MPs voting against itJonathan said:
What does that mean in practice?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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They aren't but hypothetically if only in a few areas at a time maybe but no more.dixiedean said:
If the rates in Essex and Merseyside were reversed, would there be a mutiny if similar local measures were introduced?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
Not being antagonistic, just interested in your assessment/opinion.
We had a lockdown because we were not wearing masks, social distancing, were not working from home in great numbers and we did not have a tracing app and expanded testing, we do now and the economic devastation it would cause is not worth it0 -
No they didn't, they ensured farmers could get trade deals and more markets to send their beef and lamb and potatoes to.Foxy said:
The backbenchers sold out the farmers tonight. Who gets sold out next? Their price is not high.HYUFD said:
Well over 100 Tory MPs maybe even a majority of Tory MPs voting against itJonathan said:
What does that mean in practice?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
It was Labour and the LDs who voted to block trade deals and block farmers exports0 -
You believe there would a HoC defeat on a substantive motion with a majority of 80? Believe it when I see it.HYUFD said:
Well over 100 Tory MPs maybe even a majority of Tory MPs voting against itJonathan said:
What does that mean in practice?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
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Keep on coughing in the free world!Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1315770418758848517
Packed crowd, high fives followed by the good ol' hand to nose wipe at the end0 -
So if Essex were in the same boat as Merseyside you would oppose all measures?HYUFD said:
They aren't but hypothetically if only in a few areas at a time maybe but no more.dixiedean said:
If the rates in Essex and Merseyside were reversed, would there be a mutiny if similar local measures were introduced?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
Not being antagonistic, just interested in your assessment/opinion.
We had a lockdown because we were not wearing masks, social distancing, were not working from home in great numbers and we did not have a tracing app and expanded testing, we do now and the economic devastation it would cause is not worth it
Would that be popular? Not with the Tory Party, but with the population at large?0 -
They voted against the Tory manifesto, which promised to uphold food standards. They also prevented parliamentary discussion of any trade deal that requires a change in these.HYUFD said:
No they didn't, they ensured farmers could get trade deals and more markets to send their beef and lamb and potatoes to.Foxy said:
The backbenchers sold out the farmers tonight. Who gets sold out next? Their price is not high.HYUFD said:
Well over 100 Tory MPs maybe even a majority of Tory MPs voting against itJonathan said:
What does that mean in practice?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
It was Labour and the LDs who voted to block trade deals and block farmers exports
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https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.4 -
If they're all young people, isolated from the rest of society, and in the open air it isn't.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.
I'd want medical cover to be offered though.0 -
Generally I am sceptical of any new lockdowns, whether in Essex or Merseyside, mask wearing and the rule of 6 and the NHS app is far more productive and less economically damaging.dixiedean said:
So if Essex were in the same boat as Merseyside you would oppose all measures?HYUFD said:
They aren't but hypothetically if only in a few areas at a time maybe but no more.dixiedean said:
If the rates in Essex and Merseyside were reversed, would there be a mutiny if similar local measures were introduced?HYUFD said:
There will be a mutiny in the Tory Party if Boris does that, local lockdowns he can get away with, another full national lockdown will lead to a big rebellionFrancisUrquhart said:First....as in to call a national lockdown incoming in a month...
Not being antagonistic, just interested in your assessment/opinion.
We had a lockdown because we were not wearing masks, social distancing, were not working from home in great numbers and we did not have a tracing app and expanded testing, we do now and the economic devastation it would cause is not worth it
Would that be popular? Not with the Tory Party, but with the population at large?
'Dr. David Nabarro from the WHO appealed to world leaders yesterday, telling them to stop “using lockdowns as your primary control method” of the coronavirus.
He also claimed that the only thing lockdowns achieved was poverty – with no mention of the potential lives saved.
“Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” he said.
“We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Dr Nabarro told the Spectator.
“The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”
Dr Nabarro’s main criticism of lockdowns involved the global impact, explaining how poorer economies that had been indirectly affected.
“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry in the Caribbean, for example, or in the Pacific because people aren’t taking their holidays,” he said.
“Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world. … Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. We may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition.” '
https://lockdownsceptics.org/#has-the-who-changed-its-mind-about-lockdowns0 -
While Biden supporters are more like to vote by mail, vote by mail is going to be well under 50% of Biden's total vote.HYUFD said:
Most Trump supporters will be voting on the day, most Biden supporters voting by mailPulpstar said:Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...
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Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.0 -
Do we have any data for the number of students who have been infected / required medical treatment / hospitalised /died since the start of term ?
Ditto for school pupils and their teachers and parents.0 -
Not surprising to see you taking their side!RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Refusing to protect food standards and leading us to USA-style chlorinated chicken, don't tell me Brexiteers voted for that too?0 -
Are you in favour of stopping imports which aren't produced to the UK employment and environmental standards ?CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.2 -
Yes but. College football isn't watched by young people alone. They don't have 90 000 Students for a start.another_richard said:
If they're all young people, isolated from the rest of society, and in the open air it isn't.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.
I'd want medical cover to offered though.
It is like saying we pack Wembley or Twickenham.2 -
The fans are just regular people, unlike the athletes who are obviously young and fit (Well unless you're the centre...). The bands are certainly better atmosphere than the fake noise though !another_richard said:
If they're all young people, isolated from the rest of society, and in the open air it isn't.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.
I'd want medical cover to offered though.0 -
More the principle that the executive negotiates, and parliament ratifies.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Not surprising to see you taking their side!RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Refusing to protect food standards and leading us to USA-style chlorinated chicken, don't tell me Brexiteers voted for that too?4 -
dixiedean said:
Yes but. College football isn't watched by young people alone. They don't have 90 000 Students for a start.another_richard said:
If they're all young people, isolated from the rest of society, and in the open air it isn't.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.
I'd want medical cover to offered though.
It is like saying we pack Wembley or Twickenham.
The importance of college sport is one of the big differences between the USA and the UK.Pulpstar said:
The fans are just regular people, unlike the athletes who are obviously young and fit (Well unless you're the centre...). The bands are certainly better atmosphere than the fake noise though !another_richard said:
If they're all young people, isolated from the rest of society, and in the open air it isn't.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.
I'd want medical cover to offered though.
The college stadia are bigger than those in the NFL.0 -
Joe Biden will get 72 to 75 million votes in three weeks time.HYUFD said:
Most Biden voters whether in absolute or percentage terms will be voting by mail in advance, not on the dayeristdoof said:
"most Biden supporters voting by mail"HYUFD said:
Most Trump supporters will be voting on the day, most Biden supporters voting by mailPulpstar said:Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...
Rubbish. Millions more Democrat voters will be voting on the day than in advance.
If you mean proportionately then say so.
Of these, fewer than 30 million will be "mail in" votes.4 -
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .1 -
The 2017-19 parliament was acting just as poorly in trying to stop a massive democratic decision to Brexit by the back door as Trump and Mitch McConnell and his clowns are now in the senate trying to pretty much stop democracy in the USA. I've got faith the US electorate will be able to sniff out this horseshit like our own electorate was here.RobD said:
More the principle that the executive negotiates, and parliament ratifies.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Not surprising to see you taking their side!RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Refusing to protect food standards and leading us to USA-style chlorinated chicken, don't tell me Brexiteers voted for that too?0 -
I suspect they would be sold in supermarkets rather on the doorstep.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
And I doubt that purchase would be compulsory.1 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-wXdCGlHb0another_richard said:dixiedean said:
Yes but. College football isn't watched by young people alone. They don't have 90 000 Students for a start.another_richard said:
If they're all young people, isolated from the rest of society, and in the open air it isn't.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.
I'd want medical cover to offered though.
It is like saying we pack Wembley or Twickenham.
The importance of college sport is one of the big differences between the USA and the UK.Pulpstar said:
The fans are just regular people, unlike the athletes who are obviously young and fit (Well unless you're the centre...). The bands are certainly better atmosphere than the fake noise though !another_richard said:
If they're all young people, isolated from the rest of society, and in the open air it isn't.dixiedean said:Coach of U Florida wants 90 000 in the stadium for football game v LSU.
U Florida is currently all Online.
Bonkers.
I'd want medical cover to offered though.
The college stadia are bigger than those in the NFL.1 -
You could add to that chart NE-2 (Biden +7.4%) and Maine-2 (Biden +1.3%). Admittedly only 1 vote in each, but there are some permutations where they could make a difference.
MInnesota (Biden +9.2%) was also for some time touted as a potential Trump pickup that could offset Democrat gains elsewhere, so its absent by virtue presumably of Biden's margin shows how much Trump's options are narrowing. Trump loses unless he picks up at least one of the three states in the chart where Biden is ahead by between 7.3% and 8.1% plus all of the rest of the states shown.0 -
Well you can certainly say only a minority of Biden votes will be on the day, while a comfortable majority of Trump voters will be voting on the dayrcs1000 said:
Joe Biden will get 72 to 75 million votes in three weeks time.HYUFD said:
Most Biden voters whether in absolute or percentage terms will be voting by mail in advance, not on the dayeristdoof said:
"most Biden supporters voting by mail"HYUFD said:
Most Trump supporters will be voting on the day, most Biden supporters voting by mailPulpstar said:Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...
Rubbish. Millions more Democrat voters will be voting on the day than in advance.
If you mean proportionately then say so.
Of these, fewer than 30 million will be "mail in" votes.0 -
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate0 -
Ominous news. A particularly vulnerable patient, but serotyping confirms reinvention rather than reactivation.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315776679630036994?s=190 -
You do realize that 30m is less than half of 75m, right?HYUFD said:
Well you can certainly say only a minority of Biden votes will be on the day, while a comfortable majority of Trump voters will be voting on the dayrcs1000 said:
Joe Biden will get 72 to 75 million votes in three weeks time.HYUFD said:
Most Biden voters whether in absolute or percentage terms will be voting by mail in advance, not on the dayeristdoof said:
"most Biden supporters voting by mail"HYUFD said:
Most Trump supporters will be voting on the day, most Biden supporters voting by mailPulpstar said:Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...
Rubbish. Millions more Democrat voters will be voting on the day than in advance.
If you mean proportionately then say so.
Of these, fewer than 30 million will be "mail in" votes.2 -
In terms of college hand egg, I have only ever been to a very low division college game, is on the bucket list to go to something like a Clemson game.0
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Let’s be real, the chance of a US trade deal is almost zero.HYUFD said:
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate0 -
In the US they made the standards so weak you can't tell what you're buying.another_richard said:
I suspect they would be sold in supermarkets rather on the doorstep.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
And I doubt that purchase would be compulsory.0 -
Making lockdowns even more pointless if you can get Covid again we are just going to have to live with it, we cannot shut up shop and destroy our economy for ever, we are just going to have to press on and use masks and social distancing and tracing to contain itFoxy said:Ominous news. A particularly vulnerable patient, but serotyping confirms reinvention rather than reactivation.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1315776679630036994?s=190 -
I certainly hope so. I dont want that shit getting sold unlabelled, and contamination by shit is the reason for the chlorine.Gallowgate said:
Let’s be real, the chance of a US trade deal is almost zero.HYUFD said:
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate1 -
Much of the anti-restriction sentiment seems to come from those who live in areas of very low incidence.
At least that's the impression I get.0 -
Believe HYUFD is factoring in early in-person voting, which is cast NOT by mail but also NOT on EDay.Gallowgate said:
You do realize that 30m is less than half of 75m, right?HYUFD said:
Well you can certainly say only a minority of Biden votes will be on the day, while a comfortable majority of Trump voters will be voting on the dayrcs1000 said:
Joe Biden will get 72 to 75 million votes in three weeks time.HYUFD said:
Most Biden voters whether in absolute or percentage terms will be voting by mail in advance, not on the dayeristdoof said:
"most Biden supporters voting by mail"HYUFD said:
Most Trump supporters will be voting on the day, most Biden supporters voting by mailPulpstar said:Right now Trump supporters seem to be showing up to rallies, Biden supporters showing up to the polls...
Rubbish. Millions more Democrat voters will be voting on the day than in advance.
If you mean proportionately then say so.
Of these, fewer than 30 million will be "mail in" votes.
Personally think it will be fascinating to see where the balance between mail vs early in-person vs EDay in-person will fall nationally.
One factor to keep in mind is that millions of Trumpsky voters will vote by mail (incuding all in all-vote-by-mail states such as WA). Real question is HOW many. But certainly less absolutely and proportionately than will be cast for Uncle Joe.1 -
I can recommend even High School Football. The lack of TV and advertising makes it flow better, and all the razzmatazz of marching bands, cheerleaders and drill team are there.FrancisUrquhart said:In terms of college hand egg, I have only ever been to a very low division college game, is on the bucket list to go to something like a Clemson game.
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The US is our largest export partner, if President Trump is re elected there is a good chance of a deal, if Biden and Pelosi win less so, Biden will not do a deal while we have the internal markets bill and Pelosi will not accept what she thinks are unsafe British food and drugs standardsGallowgate said:
Let’s be real, the chance of a US trade deal is almost zero.HYUFD said:
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate
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In terms of college game, there is also more excitement due to the standard of play not having as high as the NFL. The NFL players are so fast and so powerful, the window of opportunity to make a play is tiny. It is also why many QB who excel at college level don't make it in the NFL, because they take that split second too long to throw it.Foxy said:
I can recommend even High School Football. The lack of TV and advertising makes it flow better, and all the razzmatazz of marching bands, cheerleaders and drill team are there.FrancisUrquhart said:In terms of college hand egg, I have only ever been to a very low division college game, is on the bucket list to go to something like a Clemson game.
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Pelosi's so anti-British it's untrue. Almost as bad as Trump. The US FDA seems to be way overcautious on vaccine development compared to ours, they want follow ups for a year post phase 3 before licensing anything there. Completely crackers in a pandemic situation when Covid-19 has known harms.HYUFD said:
The US is our largest export partner, if President Trump is re elected there is a good chance of a deal, if Biden and Pelosi win less so, Biden will not do a deal while we have the internal markets bill and Pelosi will not accept what she thinks are unsafe British food and drugs standardsGallowgate said:
Let’s be real, the chance of a US trade deal is almost zero.HYUFD said:
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate
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Do you support banning imports from countries which do not match UK employment and environmental standards ?CorrectHorseBattery said:
In the US they made the standards so weak you can't tell what you're buying.another_richard said:
I suspect they would be sold in supermarkets rather on the doorstep.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
And I doubt that purchase would be compulsory.0 -
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Just watching Trump doing this thing. He really hasn't found how to hit Biden. Trying to drop socialist in there, take your guns, yadda yadda yadda, but no chanting, he hasn't got the "drain the swamp", etc.
You have to give Trump one thing, his energy is back. For a man who lives such an unhealthy life, does no exercise and just had the plague, his energy levels are quite amazing.0 -
Thing to do (post-COVID) is to check out (via web) what is typically on offer re: TAILGATING.FrancisUrquhart said:In terms of college hand egg, I have only ever been to a very low division college game, is on the bucket list to go to something like a Clemson game.
That is, what kind of delectable victuals are prepared by fans out in the park lot, on or in proximity to their truck tailgates (in the down position).
Unless you are invested in a particular team OR its geographical area, the actual football at big-league universities is pretty much the same from where-ever to where-ever.
BUT the food can be quite different. SO try to find out what's cooking, and proceed according to taste and/or curiosity.
BTW can just about guarantee that a modicum of fan interest combined with an English accent will earn you at least a nibble from approx 99.46% of tailgaters anywhere from Boise to Gainesville.0 -
New Ipsos polls.
Wisconsin
Biden 51% (+1)
Trump 44%
Pennsylvania
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Yes that’s what I said.HYUFD said:
The US is our largest export partner, if President Trump is re elected there is a good chance of a deal, if Biden and Pelosi win less so, Biden will not do a deal while we have the internal markets bill and Pelosi will not accept what she thinks are unsafe British food and drugs standardsGallowgate said:
Let’s be real, the chance of a US trade deal is almost zero.HYUFD said:
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate
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He needn't worry, Biden has said he is only running for the Senate now anywayFrancisUrquhart said:Just watching Trump doing this thing. He really hasn't found how to hit Biden. Trying to drop socialist in there, take your guns, yadda yadda yadda, but no chanting, he hasn't got the "drain the swamp", etc.
You have to give Trump one thing, his energy is back. For a man who lives such an unhealthy life, does no exercise and just had the plague, his energy levels are quite amazing.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1315791876797140992?s=200 -
Its amazing what steroids can do isn't it?FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching Trump doing this thing. He really hasn't found how to hit Biden. Trying to drop socialist in there, take your guns, yadda yadda yadda, but no chanting, he hasn't got the "drain the swamp", etc.
You have to give Trump one thing, his energy is back. For a man who lives such an unhealthy life, does no exercise and just had the plague, his energy levels are quite amazing.0 -
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Local high school is a football powerhouse - 5 seasons without a loss. It is a small town, but every game is sold out.FrancisUrquhart said:
In terms of college game, there is also more excitement due to the standard of play not having as high as the NFL. The NFL players are so fast and so powerful, the window of opportunity to make a play is tiny. It is also why many QB who excel at college level don't make it in the NFL, because they take that split second too long to throw it.Foxy said:
I can recommend even High School Football. The lack of TV and advertising makes it flow better, and all the razzmatazz of marching bands, cheerleaders and drill team are there.FrancisUrquhart said:In terms of college hand egg, I have only ever been to a very low division college game, is on the bucket list to go to something like a Clemson game.
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Realize that your PM is crap at negotiating, as his his role model Trumpsky.HYUFD said:
The US is our largest export partner, if President Trump is re elected there is a good chance of a deal, if Biden and Pelosi win less so, Biden will not do a deal while we have the internal markets bill and Pelosi will not accept what she thinks are unsafe British food and drugs standardsGallowgate said:
Let’s be real, the chance of a US trade deal is almost zero.HYUFD said:
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1314598522919022593?s=20
However, Biden and Pelosi are rather good at it. SO stop frothing at the mouth, throw you present clown college overboard, and find you some semi-competent negotiators.0 -
That's hardly surprising. I live somewhere with practically no cases, but was half anticipating being locked down to tier 2 today because the other end of my council area the best part of an hour away has fairly poor numbers. Fortunately sense seems to have prevailed for the moment.dixiedean said:Much of the anti-restriction sentiment seems to come from those who live in areas of very low incidence.
At least that's the impression I get.
I'd be pretty fuming if I get locked down without local cases being high (I'm not at all convinced that it's the answer anyway, given all the various local lockdowns to date don't appear to be making a blind bit of difference). This particularly applies as I've a young lady I'm quite fond of who lives about 150 miles away (also in an area with very few cases), and I'll be very grumpy if I don't get to see her for months again...
Out of interest, anyone know what the rules are (if any) for social bubbles which run across the boundaries of the tiered areas?0 -
Its more than that. He is speaking without any shortage of breath and on form for Trump i.e. speaking total bullshit at 100 miles an hour.Philip_Thompson said:
Its amazing what steroids can do isn't it?FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching Trump doing this thing. He really hasn't found how to hit Biden. Trying to drop socialist in there, take your guns, yadda yadda yadda, but no chanting, he hasn't got the "drain the swamp", etc.
You have to give Trump one thing, his energy is back. For a man who lives such an unhealthy life, does no exercise and just had the plague, his energy levels are quite amazing.0 -
The proper use of plus and minus signs.Gallowgate said:New Ipsos polls.
Wisconsin
Biden 51% (+1)
Trump 44%
Pennsylvania
Biden 51% (+1)
Trump 44% (-1)4 -
The anecdote about him and the broken down care is brilliant IMO.HYUFD said:0 -
A bubble is a bubble. it doesn’t matter where the parties live.theProle said:
That's hardly surprising. I live somewhere with practically no cases, but was half anticipating being locked down to tier 2 today because the other end of my council area the best part of an hour away has fairly poor numbers. Fortunately sense seems to have prevailed for the moment.dixiedean said:Much of the anti-restriction sentiment seems to come from those who live in areas of very low incidence.
At least that's the impression I get.
I'd be pretty fuming if I get locked down without local cases being high (I'm not at all convinced that it's the answer anyway, given all the various local lockdowns to date don't appear to be making a blind bit of difference). This particularly applies as I've a young lady I'm quite fond of who lives about 150 miles away (also in an area with very few cases), and I'll be very grumpy if I don't get to see her for months again...
Out of interest, anyone know what the rules are (if any) for social bubbles which run across the boundaries of the tiered areas?1 -
Trump is so full of shit.0
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Following on from Dr Foxy story about reinfection (of a very sick person), here is one of a health young person....
US confirms its first case of COVID-19 reinfection: Healthy Nevada man, 25, contracted coronavirus twice in 48 days and had to be put on oxygen after getting SICKER during his second bout with the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8832541/Nevada-man-25-contracted-coronavirus-twice-48-days-SICKER-second-bout.html0 -
But he says it will real confidence....if you don't really listen too carefully or fact check, he is quite believable.Philip_Thompson said:Trump is so full of shit.
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Increasing cases of this. Not good news.FrancisUrquhart said:Following on from Dr Foxy story about reinfection (of a very sick person), here is one of a health young person....
US confirms its first case of COVID-19 reinfection: Healthy Nevada man, 25, contracted coronavirus twice in 48 days and had to be put on oxygen after getting SICKER during his second bout with the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8832541/Nevada-man-25-contracted-coronavirus-twice-48-days-SICKER-second-bout.html0 -
Does Trump read a teleprompter or does he just riff off some notes / cue card on the screens? Because if he is reading a "speech" he definitely doesn't stick to it, so whoever is sending it through the machine, must have to stop / start it constantly.0
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Every reinfection case pretty much makes the news. It's a man bites dog story. Actual reinfection rates are way below what one might expect if you had an equal chance to get it again as 'fresh' though.Philip_Thompson said:
Increasing cases of this. Not good news.FrancisUrquhart said:Following on from Dr Foxy story about reinfection (of a very sick person), here is one of a health young person....
US confirms its first case of COVID-19 reinfection: Healthy Nevada man, 25, contracted coronavirus twice in 48 days and had to be put on oxygen after getting SICKER during his second bout with the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8832541/Nevada-man-25-contracted-coronavirus-twice-48-days-SICKER-second-bout.html
All it means is the vaccine won't be 100% effective.3 -
Wonders of modern pharma. Applied chemical engineering, not just recent days, but over many decades.FrancisUrquhart said:
Its more than that. He is speaking without any shortage of breath and on form for Trump i.e. speaking total bullshit at 100 miles an hour.Philip_Thompson said:
Its amazing what steroids can do isn't it?FrancisUrquhart said:Just watching Trump doing this thing. He really hasn't found how to hit Biden. Trying to drop socialist in there, take your guns, yadda yadda yadda, but no chanting, he hasn't got the "drain the swamp", etc.
You have to give Trump one thing, his energy is back. For a man who lives such an unhealthy life, does no exercise and just had the plague, his energy levels are quite amazing.
Bet that POTUS has got a medicine chest that would make Rod Stewart green with envy!2 -
Not every case. Some cases do indeed but one of my wife's colleagues has been reinfected and it's not hit the news.Pulpstar said:
Every reinfection case pretty much makes the news. It's a man bites dog story. Actual reinfection rates are way below what one might expect if you had an equal chance to get it again as 'fresh' though.Philip_Thompson said:
Increasing cases of this. Not good news.FrancisUrquhart said:Following on from Dr Foxy story about reinfection (of a very sick person), here is one of a health young person....
US confirms its first case of COVID-19 reinfection: Healthy Nevada man, 25, contracted coronavirus twice in 48 days and had to be put on oxygen after getting SICKER during his second bout with the virus
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8832541/Nevada-man-25-contracted-coronavirus-twice-48-days-SICKER-second-bout.html
All it means is the vaccine won't be 100% effective.
You're certainly right that it's not (yet) massive numbers but it feels a bit closer to home when you know someone it's happened to.0 -
They beat the local middle school 48-0 last week, and that's nothing compared to the whooping they gave the elementary school.TimT said:
Local high school is a football powerhouse - 5 seasons without a loss. It is a small town, but every game is sold out.FrancisUrquhart said:
In terms of college game, there is also more excitement due to the standard of play not having as high as the NFL. The NFL players are so fast and so powerful, the window of opportunity to make a play is tiny. It is also why many QB who excel at college level don't make it in the NFL, because they take that split second too long to throw it.Foxy said:
I can recommend even High School Football. The lack of TV and advertising makes it flow better, and all the razzmatazz of marching bands, cheerleaders and drill team are there.FrancisUrquhart said:In terms of college hand egg, I have only ever been to a very low division college game, is on the bucket list to go to something like a Clemson game.
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LOL. 48-0 is the score after the first quarter at which point the second team is sent on. By the 3rd quarter, the 5th team is on and the refs invoke the mercy rule.rcs1000 said:
They beat the local middle school 48-0 last week, and that's nothing compared to the whooping they gave the elementary school.TimT said:
Local high school is a football powerhouse - 5 seasons without a loss. It is a small town, but every game is sold out.FrancisUrquhart said:
In terms of college game, there is also more excitement due to the standard of play not having as high as the NFL. The NFL players are so fast and so powerful, the window of opportunity to make a play is tiny. It is also why many QB who excel at college level don't make it in the NFL, because they take that split second too long to throw it.Foxy said:
I can recommend even High School Football. The lack of TV and advertising makes it flow better, and all the razzmatazz of marching bands, cheerleaders and drill team are there.FrancisUrquhart said:In terms of college hand egg, I have only ever been to a very low division college game, is on the bucket list to go to something like a Clemson game.
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Isn't there medication that deals with that?Philip_Thompson said:Trump is so full of shit.
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Trump could get 46% again but it almost certainly won't be enough. He probably has to increase his share slightly to have a chance, because third party voters from 2016 seem to have moved to Biden.0
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Apparently Trump has 3 or 4 Noble Peace Prizes, according to him ;-)0
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There's material for a Florida attack advert in here for the Democrats if they want to use it.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1315802425488478208
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Negotiating is much easier when you've got an economy with the weight of the USA, or a block the size of the EU. One of the reasons us voting to leave the EU was .. unfortunate.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Realize that your PM is crap at negotiating, as his his role model Trumpsky.HYUFD said:
The US is our largest export partner, if President Trump is re elected there is a good chance of a deal, if Biden and Pelosi win less so, Biden will not do a deal while we have the internal markets bill and Pelosi will not accept what she thinks are unsafe British food and drugs standardsGallowgate said:
Let’s be real, the chance of a US trade deal is almost zero.HYUFD said:
Not if British farmers find a vast new US market for their products, largely tariff free unlike now.Foxy said:
Promises are made to be broken, at least as far as this government goes.RobD said:
Not surprising that the government is not too keen on parliament being involved in negotiating international treaties.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://www.twitter.com/CarolineLucas/status/1315755708919541761
Absolutely appalling from the Tories.
Chlorinated chicken and drug packed pork are going to be tough sells on the doorsteps.
It is a gift for Lib Dems wanting to retake rural seats .
What US imports will be subject to will be for the government to negotiate
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1314598522919022593?s=20
However, Biden and Pelosi are rather good at it. SO stop frothing at the mouth, throw you present clown college overboard, and find you some semi-competent negotiators.1 -
Too late, but I think Trump has a slogan that the crowd go with, "The best is yet to come".0
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Yes. But at least there's now a credible explanation for the "orange" skin.MikeSmithson said:
Isn't there medication that deals with that?Philip_Thompson said:Trump is so full of shit.
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He exits to YMCA....bizarre.0
