History Today. A brief recent history of when dead Americans win elections – politicalbetting.com
History Today. A brief recent history of when dead Americans win elections – politicalbetting.com
When dead Americans win elections, from 2000.https://t.co/z2TfY1BL9k pic.twitter.com/VtQwtZtbXb
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https://twitter.com/WendyMolyneux/status/1312801071971135490
Oh. And that's you that is.
When the proper comparison for any US President (even our current Fearless Leader) is NOT with any PM, but rather with the Queen, and previous/future UK monarchs.
In America, the President is NEVER just a VIP = Very Important Person. She or he is ALWAYS the MIP = Most Important Person.
In monarchies, the health of the sovereign is ALWAY a major matter of state, both for it's immediate effects and (perhaps even more so) for the potential & actual impact on succession of the crown.
Same in USA, except of course with limited terms most presidents do NOT die in office.
However, enough have expired on the job to make presidential health a MAJOR preoccupation.
Starting with the demise of William Henry Harrison in 1841 just a month into his first (and obviously only) term. Which launched a MAJOR political crisis. Soon followed by the death in office of yet another president, Zachary Taylor, on the eve of another critical moment in American politics (resulting in Compromise of 1850).
These untimely vacancies got the ball rolling, and the assassination of Abraham Lincoln kicked it far down the field. Followed in fairly short order by the assassinations of James Garfield and William McKinley.
Note that in the last two cases, presidential demise was prolonged (not the case previously) which increased public concern. Also, in both instances the victims were ill-served by the team of eminent doctors in attendance - very similar to the experience of George III and some other British monarchs.
So American preoccupation with the health of their presidents was WELL established by the dawn of the 20th century. A century that saw two presidents assassinated (McKinley, JFK), three nearly assassinated (TR while running as ex-Pres in 1912, FDR while Pres-elect, Truman, Ford, Reagan who was seriously wounded) and two others seriously incapacitated (Wilson, Eisenhower) at some point.
Also note the widely-publicized albeit under-reported health problems of FDR and JFK.
Must say THIS is the kind of nitpickery that diminishes rather than enlightens.
Anybody with a brain knows what that thread header means - saying that it REALLY means fucking dead GOPers is too clever by (at least) half.
Getting to the substance as opposed to the fluff, reason that dead politicos remain on American election ballots, is because there is typically way more than just ONE office up for election (or nomination) on each ballot. Plus ballot questions in many jurisdictions.
Also, while some offices are local by districts (of various levels of composition & complexity) others are statewide. AND almost everywhere elections - including ballots - are administered by local jurisdictions (counties, cities, townships).
Thus the typical UK solution of simply postponing the election until new candidate is selected is NOT a realistic option.
The messaging of the Trumpmachine has been consistent and will presumably remain so, whichever way things may develop:
"He is fighting the fight for all of us, every single one around the world. All Hail the Orange Jesus!"
2nd Question: what is estimate of % of PBers who actually bet, on politics and/or anything else.
(Personally has been twenty years plus since I've made a political or any other bet beyond the odd raffle ticket.)
Admittedly he ended by swindling the person he’d defamed too, but that’s another story.
The same could be said of Irving, or perhaps Archer.
If you are tired and emotional, it's probably best to avoid Twitter.
This reminds of Katie Hopkins, only... ummm... even more foolish.
The regulations run the very real risk of having serious lifelong consequences of their own.
My daughter's school the children are in the same classes as normal. What's being done at yours?
I’m perfectly content to be putting the welfare of children ahead of the opinions of such snobs.
https://twitter.com/AlexMohajer/status/1312563570240962560
It seems like a reasonable thing the government could give a grant for if people are expected to keep the windows/doors open.
Which means either we keep up with this and have serious damage - or abandon it, and have Covid run riot.
I will admit, I don’t know what the easy answer to that is, but B may end up being the lower risk option.
And that’s said in the full awareness it’s a nasty and highly infectious illness with grave long-term consequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Governors_controversy
The other urgent change is to ban ethanol sanitiser and make sure it’s high-quality stuff only. (It’s not even as though it’s that much more expensive.)
Edit - there’s a little more here:
https://www.tes.com/magazine/article/teachers-are-struggling-no-government-support
About only instance that comes to mind, is public reaction to failed assassination attempt against former President Theodore Roosevelt during his 1912 "Bull Moose" presidential campaign.
TR was shot by a less-than-fully sane former bartender who held him personally responsible for the assassination of William McKinley, which propelled him into the White House in the first place. Fortunately the bullet was partly deflected Roosevelt's spectacles case and his folded up speech.
Which insisted on delivering, speaking over half an hour - despite pleas from his entourage and the audience that he head for the hospital ASAP - making a point of defending the rights of workers and absolving labor from the attack against him. AND also demonstrating his fabled determination, luck, toughness and sheer bloody (or rather bully) willpower.
This happened about three weeks IIRC before Election Day. Before the advent of scientific polling, but no real doubt as to almost certain victory for Woodrow Wilson and the Democrats (after 16 years in the political wilderness) over the Republicans split between incumbent William Howard Taft and former Pres. and current insurgent TR.
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting, journos, politicos and pundits across the US detected a strong surge of feeling in Roosevelt's favor, with even strong opponents expressing both concern and admiration far beyond the merely pro forma. Some said it was affecting their votes, and more sensed this trend among their neighbors.
Clearly this rise in what we'd say today was TR's approval rating, was NOT just tea & sympathy. It was FAR more respect and appreciate for his strength and quality of character.
By Election Day, TR's surge had subsided somewhat; he ended up running second versus Wilson, but surpassing his former protege Taft. And with many a man who voted against him wishing that they could have voted in good conscious for such a goddamn glorious SOB.
Chopper's Politics: Laurence Fox's views are 'core Tory values', says party's co-chairman
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/10/01/choppers-politics-laurence-foxs-views-core-tory-values-says/
ETA hat-tip to the Youtube algorithm for recommending the Tory co-chair's musings.
You can easily spend 2 days just wandering round
That’s a relief, it’s been on my conscience.
I always say never assume, but here I just assumed a solution would have been implemented over the summer. 🤷🏻♂️
I've worked in venues before where the door is kept open all day long, except exceptionally bad weather - and appropriate precautions were done so we were never working in wet and freezing conditions.
The Trumpsky White House is the most incompetent coterie assembled since the demise of the Gong Show.
So zero need to wonder when a WH source says something transparently self-serving AND mind-numbingly stupid.
Cause that's just the way they fly these days at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
https://twitter.com/nbcsnl/status/1312608341491953664?s=20