Rishi Sunak has highest satisfaction ratings for a Chancellor since Healey in 1978 – politicalbettin

System · September 2020

Rishi Sunak has highest satisfaction ratings for a Chancellor since Healey in 1978 – politicalbetting.com

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Mexicanpete · September 2020

Best that he enjoys the adulation whilst he still can.

Beibheirli_C · September 2020

Mexicanpete said:
Best that he enjoys the adulation whilst he still can.

Everyone likes a spender

rottenborough · September 2020

Curse of the thread:

The ONS Infection Survey uses random sampling to overcome the problem of selection bias. While these data suggest that somewhere between 4,200 and 8,300 people per day are getting the infection, it tells you nothing about the infectious status of the individuals , and the small sample number of cases in the survey (over the latest six-week period 136 people from 118 households tested positive out of 208,730 tests). This gives rise to small sample bias that can lead to chance findings.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rule-of-four-how-to-make-sense-of-covid-case-numbers?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND 20200925 Charles Stanley JO+CID_37cc20f8d49b7bef21d26309936a80eb

rpjs · September 2020

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

rottenborough · September 2020

I strongly suspect Michael Crick is right, and, like most PMs, Johnson will last a lot longer than seems likely at the moment.

Unfortunately.

Black_Rook · September 2020

Of course, Healey's party went down to defeat thirteen months after that poll. He spent the remainder of his career in the Commons on the Opposition benches.

CorrectHorseBattery · September 2020

I would love Johnson to last until the next GE

glw · September 2020

Even Fred West would have been popular with the public if he'd had the foresight to give away tens of billions of pounds before murdering all those people.

Pulpstar · September 2020

Why was Healey so popular ?

Scott_xP · September 2020

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1309581213930225664

Malmesbury · September 2020

rottenborough said:
Curse of the thread:

The ONS Infection Survey uses random sampling to overcome the problem of selection bias. While these data suggest that somewhere between 4,200 and 8,300 people per day are getting the infection, it tells you nothing about the infectious status of the individuals , and the small sample number of cases in the survey (over the latest six-week period 136 people from 118 households tested positive out of 208,730 tests). This gives rise to small sample bias that can lead to chance findings.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rule-of-four-how-to-make-sense-of-covid-case-numbers?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND 20200925 Charles Stanley JO+CID_37cc20f8d49b7bef21d26309936a80eb

Essentially - we don't like the polling answer. Polls are rubbish because they only have really small samples. Therefore....

Andy_JS · September 2020

Spain has the highest percentage of people living in flats in Europe, almost two-thirds. Maybe this explains why they're having a problem with Covid-19, because people are less likely to want to spend most of their time in a flat compared to a house.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/503282/share-of-population-living-in-flats-europe-eu/

IanB2 · September 2020

London (CNN Business) The coronavirus pandemic is slamming the vast property empire that provides Queen Elizabeth II with a significant chunk of her income. British taxpayers could be making up the shortfall for years to come.

Sir Michael Stevens, the Queen's treasurer, confirmed in a statement on Friday that the size of the Sovereign Grant, one of the royal family's major sources of income, won't be affected by an expected slump in profits from the Crown Estate's investments.

LadyG · September 2020

150 new deaths in France, today, 115 in Spain.

It's a lagging indicator, but maybe deaths are beginning to show in the Euro 2nd wave

nichomar · September 2020

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

rottenborough · September 2020

Pulpstar said:
Why was Healey so popular ?

Mike Yarwood?

nichomar · September 2020

Andy_JS said:
Spain has the highest percentage of people living in flats in Europe, almost two-thirds. Maybe this explains why they're having a problem with Covid-19, because people are less likely to want to spend most of their time in a flat compared to a house.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/503282/share-of-population-living-in-flats-europe-eu/

Also have the highest population density in Europe.

LadyG · September 2020

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Also it's never going to happen without the consent of the Gibraltarian people, in a vote, and the chances of that happening are, at the moment, adjacent to the figure zero.

Even if HMG was minded to hand it over, it could not, morally or practically

williamglenn · September 2020

According to Fauci, 22% of people in New York have been infected, so a rule of thumb for what we'd need to go through to reach herd immunity is three times the death toll of New York, repeated everywhere.

HYUFD · September 2020

Healey was of course a heavy hitter, like Sunak extremely bright and would certainly have been a far better Labour leader than Foot and a far tougher opponent for Thatcher had he won the 1980 Labour leadership contest he lost by just 3%

HYUFD · September 2020

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

RobD · September 2020

IanB2 said:
London (CNN Business) The coronavirus pandemic is slamming the vast property empire that provides Queen Elizabeth II with a significant chunk of her income. British taxpayers could be making up the shortfall for years to come.

Sir Michael Stevens, the Queen's treasurer, confirmed in a statement on Friday that the size of the Sovereign Grant, one of the royal family's major sources of income, won't be affected by an expected slump in profits from the Crown Estate's investments.

I cringe every time I see the word "slamming" in a supposedly serious news article.

rottenborough · September 2020

https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.

IanB2 · September 2020

Reference the dog-cat discussion midweek, PB cat fanciers come back when your cats can do this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/any-breed-could-do-it-dogs-might-be-covid-testers-best-friend

Beibheirli_C · September 2020

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Also it's never going to happen without the consent of the Gibraltarian people, in a vote, and the chances of that happening are, at the moment, adjacent to the figure zero.

Even if HMG was minded to hand it over, it could not, morally or practically

We know that HMG is not practical. Now, if it could only be immoral as well ....

rottenborough · September 2020

More on how America is so fucked...

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1309584530060111872

Barnesian · September 2020

LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

dixiedean · September 2020

Pulpstar said:
Why was Healey so popular ?

War hero. Very bright. Witty. Bags of personality (@isam Would love that). Played piano on Morecambe and Wise.

HYUFD · September 2020

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1309552437641072640?s=20

IanB2 · September 2020

rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.

Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

IanB2 · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

Foxy · September 2020

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.
Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead

Why? All of those issues have 2 sides.

HYUFD · September 2020

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

dixiedean · September 2020

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:
https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.
Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead

Didnt I read from memory Trump is only 2% ahead on crime and safety. So that splits too? As of course do they all to some degree.

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.

HYUFD · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

HYUFD · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.

It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it

rottenborough · September 2020

Barnesian said:
LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

Cue John Rentoul.

williamglenn · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

Perhaps intern Michael Portillo while you're at it?

Gallowgate · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

I think you need to have a lie-down.

rottenborough · September 2020

Barnesian said:
LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

Greens have had it as policy for years.

HYUFD · September 2020

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
I think you need to have a lie-down.

No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar

Philip_Thompson · September 2020

Scott_xP said:
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1309581213930225664

Well that's a relief.

If Ambrose Evans-Pritchard thinks we're doomed, we can breathe a sigh of relief.

bigjohnowls · September 2020

RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

dixiedean · September 2020

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
I think you need to have a lie-down.

Preferably on his back. His tumescence will prevent him from lying face down.

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it

It wouldn’t be and oaths are made to be broken.

nichomar · September 2020

rottenborough said:

Barnesian said:
LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.
Greens have had it as policy for years.

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
I think you need to have a lie-down.
No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar

Another side benefit

LadyG · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over

IshmaelZ · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it

An oath they could break in a specific and limited way.

bigjohnowls · September 2020

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
I think you need to have a lie-down.
No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar

How about an invasion from Kent

Barnesian · September 2020

rottenborough said:

Barnesian said:
LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.
Greens have had it as policy for years.

Potential coalition policy!

Scott_xP · September 2020

https://twitter.com/RondelleHobbs/status/1309499802430955520

nichomar · September 2020

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over

Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.

CorrectHorseBattery · September 2020

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1309589788807266305

London lockdown...

HYUFD · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

CorrectHorseBattery · September 2020

https://twitter.com/JMagosh/status/1309446640684748802

FrancisUrquhart · September 2020

CorrectHorseBattery said:
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1309589788807266305

London lockdown...

It will soon be easier to just list which regions aren't in lockdown.

Gallowgate · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

HYUFD · September 2020

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Somewhere at the MOD it will have been wargamed, hopefully never needing to be used but ready if required

FrancisUrquhart · September 2020

bigjohnowls said:
RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

Is fake news...

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1309591352083189760?s=19

dixiedean · September 2020

CorrectHorseBattery said:
https://twitter.com/JMagosh/status/1309446640684748802

Would be interesting to see the too strict/too soft/generally useless splits on that disapprove total.

Nigelb · September 2020

dixiedean said:

Pulpstar said:
Why was Healey so popular ?
War hero. Very bright. Witty. Bags of personality (@isam Would love that). Played piano on Morecambe and Wise.

And the anti-Benn.

LadyG · September 2020

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

But why? National testosterone overdose?

Jonathan · September 2020

Rishi had better cash in soon.

HYUFD · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
So what, our RAF is bigger than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

Your stark raving bonkers I’m afraid.

LadyG · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
So what, our RAF is bigger than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
Your stark raving bonkers I’m afraid.

But also entertaining! Do not deter him

Gallowgate · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

And then what?

HYUFD · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

But why? National testosterone overdose?

Because unlike the weak and wet Left the Tories believe in the defence of the nation and its territory above all else, as Thatcher so clearly proved in 1982

LadyG · September 2020

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
And then what?

March on Madrid. Retake the whole peninsula. Clearly.

Foxy · September 2020

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it
It wouldn’t be and oaths are made to be broken.

In specific and limited ways...

dixiedean · September 2020

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.
Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.

HYUFD · September 2020

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
And then what?

We have won the brief war and have a ticker tape parade through the streets of London to applaud our heroic troops and Boris rejoices at that news!

nichomar · September 2020

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.
Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.

bigjohnowls · September 2020

bigjohnowls said:
RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

Hopefully Toby is right

Toby Perkins
@tobyperkinsmp
Am told that rumours of Dennis Skinner’s passing are untrue. He is alive and well.

nichomar · September 2020

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
And then what?
We have won the brief war and have a ticker tape parade through the streets of London and Boris rejoices at that news!

And thousands of British immigrants are either dead or interned.

LadyG · September 2020

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.
Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.

I went to Argentina recently. Lovely people, bit crazy, but as a nation they are not capable of taking the Malvinas, not remotely, even though they rave about it.

Foxy · September 2020

dixiedean said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.
Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.

Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.

Nigelb · September 2020

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.

I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.

HYUFD · September 2020

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.
Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.

You could but the Falklands are more strongly defended now and we have submarines which could sink the Argentine fleet (the Royal Navy has more submarines than Spain and Argentina combined) and we could also do a deal with our Chilean allies who also supported us in 1982

Jonathan · September 2020

The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

nichomar · September 2020

Nigelb said:

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.
I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.

No mainland Spain three fell on land one of which burst open and two in the sea, only one has been recovered. It was the result of a refueling accident which caused the crash. Did they drop bombs on the atoms? Or just explode them on or underground.

Nigelb · September 2020

Jonathan said:
The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

I don’t think brave Sir Boris is quite as bonkers as HYUFD.

nichomar · September 2020

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.
Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.
Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.

Johnson’s army would defeat the asteroid

FrancisUrquhart · September 2020

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1309595481455165441?s=19

Pro_Rata · September 2020

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
And then what?

March on Madrid. Retake the whole peninsula. Clearly.

Bait and switch. The unspoken truth is British overseas territories are a bit rubbish. Let Spain's forces be tied up in Gibraltar and take Catalonia, fair swap.

Then grant Catalonia independence for their share of our debt. Surely.

Benpointer · September 2020

Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

Nigelb · September 2020

nichomar said:

Nigelb said:

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.
I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.
No mainland Spain three fell on land one of which burst open and two in the sea, only one has been recovered. It was the result of a refueling accident which caused the crash. Did they drop bombs on the atoms? Or just explode them on or underground.

On the atolls ?
Yes.

FrancisUrquhart · September 2020

This is getting rather Trumpian now...3 million tests a day...roll out of a vaccine that hasn't even finished trials.

We can hardly do 200k tests a day, but we are to believe in a couple of months we will be able to do 15x that. Is there enough reagents, PCR machines, etc etc etc to even do that.

solarflare · September 2020

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

Well, that escalated quickly.

nichomar · September 2020

Benpointer said:
Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

I have a feeling it was me in response to someone suggesting brexit would give spain the opportunity to take over Gibraltar, I said they wouldn’t because it’s not in their interest then LtCol HY marched onto the thread.

Pulpstar · September 2020

Benpointer said:
Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

Isn't HYUFD going to deploy the tanks to Edinburgh to stop Scottish seccession ?

Nigelb · September 2020

Benpointer said:
Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

Private Francois will have a worthy successor in due course.

Benpointer · September 2020

nichomar said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:
FPT:
Gallowgate said:

eek said:
You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757
I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.
Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.
Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.
Johnson’s army would defeat the asteroid

Cummings' superforecasters have probably got the giant asteroid covered; it's the totally predicatable increase in Covid on the back of the 'get back to the office' message that threw them.

williamglenn · September 2020

Jonathan said:
The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

We shall iterate on the beaches.

Benpointer · September 2020

Nigelb said:

Benpointer said:
Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?
Private Francois will have a worthy successor in due course.

Sooner rather than later?

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