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Mexicanpete

Best that he enjoys the adulation whilst he still can.

Beibheirli_C

Mexicanpete said:

Best that he enjoys the adulation whilst he still can.

Everyone likes a spender

rottenborough

Curse of the thread:

The ONS Infection Survey uses random sampling to overcome the problem of selection bias. While these data suggest that somewhere between 4,200 and 8,300 people per day are getting the infection, it tells you nothing about the infectious status of the individuals , and the small sample number of cases in the survey (over the latest six-week period 136 people from 118 households tested positive out of 208,730 tests). This gives rise to small sample bias that can lead to chance findings.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rule-of-four-how-to-make-sense-of-covid-case-numbers?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND 20200925 Charles Stanley JO+CID_37cc20f8d49b7bef21d26309936a80eb

rpjs

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

rottenborough

I strongly suspect Michael Crick is right, and, like most PMs, Johnson will last a lot longer than seems likely at the moment.

Unfortunately.

Black_Rook

Of course, Healey's party went down to defeat thirteen months after that poll. He spent the remainder of his career in the Commons on the Opposition benches.

CorrectHorseBattery

I would love Johnson to last until the next GE

glw

Even Fred West would have been popular with the public if he'd had the foresight to give away tens of billions of pounds before murdering all those people.

Pulpstar

Why was Healey so popular ?

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1309581213930225664

Malmesbury

rottenborough said:

Curse of the thread:

The ONS Infection Survey uses random sampling to overcome the problem of selection bias. While these data suggest that somewhere between 4,200 and 8,300 people per day are getting the infection, it tells you nothing about the infectious status of the individuals , and the small sample number of cases in the survey (over the latest six-week period 136 people from 118 households tested positive out of 208,730 tests). This gives rise to small sample bias that can lead to chance findings.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rule-of-four-how-to-make-sense-of-covid-case-numbers?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND 20200925 Charles Stanley JO+CID_37cc20f8d49b7bef21d26309936a80eb

Essentially - we don't like the polling answer. Polls are rubbish because they only have really small samples. Therefore....

Andy_JS

Spain has the highest percentage of people living in flats in Europe, almost two-thirds. Maybe this explains why they're having a problem with Covid-19, because people are less likely to want to spend most of their time in a flat compared to a house.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/503282/share-of-population-living-in-flats-europe-eu/

IanB2

London (CNN Business) The coronavirus pandemic is slamming the vast property empire that provides Queen Elizabeth II with a significant chunk of her income. British taxpayers could be making up the shortfall for years to come.

Sir Michael Stevens, the Queen's treasurer, confirmed in a statement on Friday that the size of the Sovereign Grant, one of the royal family's major sources of income, won't be affected by an expected slump in profits from the Crown Estate's investments.

LadyG

150 new deaths in France, today, 115 in Spain.

It's a lagging indicator, but maybe deaths are beginning to show in the Euro 2nd wave

nichomar

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

rottenborough

Pulpstar said:

Why was Healey so popular ?

Mike Yarwood?

nichomar

Andy_JS said:

Spain has the highest percentage of people living in flats in Europe, almost two-thirds. Maybe this explains why they're having a problem with Covid-19, because people are less likely to want to spend most of their time in a flat compared to a house.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/503282/share-of-population-living-in-flats-europe-eu/

Also have the highest population density in Europe.

LadyG

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Also it's never going to happen without the consent of the Gibraltarian people, in a vote, and the chances of that happening are, at the moment, adjacent to the figure zero.

Even if HMG was minded to hand it over, it could not, morally or practically

williamglenn

According to Fauci, 22% of people in New York have been infected, so a rule of thumb for what we'd need to go through to reach herd immunity is three times the death toll of New York, repeated everywhere.

HYUFD

Healey was of course a heavy hitter, like Sunak extremely bright and would certainly have been a far better Labour leader than Foot and a far tougher opponent for Thatcher had he won the 1980 Labour leadership contest he lost by just 3%

HYUFD

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

RobD

IanB2 said:

London (CNN Business) The coronavirus pandemic is slamming the vast property empire that provides Queen Elizabeth II with a significant chunk of her income. British taxpayers could be making up the shortfall for years to come.

Sir Michael Stevens, the Queen's treasurer, confirmed in a statement on Friday that the size of the Sovereign Grant, one of the royal family's major sources of income, won't be affected by an expected slump in profits from the Crown Estate's investments.

I cringe every time I see the word "slamming" in a supposedly serious news article.

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.

IanB2

Reference the dog-cat discussion midweek, PB cat fanciers come back when your cats can do this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/any-breed-could-do-it-dogs-might-be-covid-testers-best-friend

Beibheirli_C

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Also it's never going to happen without the consent of the Gibraltarian people, in a vote, and the chances of that happening are, at the moment, adjacent to the figure zero.

Even if HMG was minded to hand it over, it could not, morally or practically

We know that HMG is not practical. Now, if it could only be immoral as well ....

rottenborough

More on how America is so fucked...

https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1309584530060111872

Barnesian

LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

dixiedean

Pulpstar said:

Why was Healey so popular ?

War hero. Very bright. Witty. Bags of personality (@isam Would love that). Played piano on Morecambe and Wise.

HYUFD

https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1309552437641072640?s=20

IanB2

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.

Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead

nichomar

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

IanB2

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

Foxy

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.

Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead

Why? All of those issues have 2 sides.

HYUFD

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

dixiedean

IanB2 said:

rottenborough said:

https://twitter.com/wsteaks/status/1309556193292058628

I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.

Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead

Didnt I read from memory Trump is only 2% ahead on crime and safety. So that splits too? As of course do they all to some degree.

nichomar

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.

HYUFD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

HYUFD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.

It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it

rottenborough

Barnesian said:

LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

Cue John Rentoul.

williamglenn

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

Perhaps intern Michael Portillo while you're at it?

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

I think you need to have a lie-down.

rottenborough

Barnesian said:

LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

Greens have had it as policy for years.

HYUFD

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

I think you need to have a lie-down.

No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar

Philip_Thompson

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1309581213930225664

Well that's a relief.

If Ambrose Evans-Pritchard thinks we're doomed, we can breathe a sigh of relief.

bigjohnowls

RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

nichomar

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

dixiedean

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

I think you need to have a lie-down.

Preferably on his back. His tumescence will prevent him from lying face down.

nichomar

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.

It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it

It wouldn’t be and oaths are made to be broken.

nichomar

rottenborough said:

Barnesian said:

LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

Greens have had it as policy for years.

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

I think you need to have a lie-down.

No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar

Another side benefit

LadyG

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over

IshmaelZ

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.

It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it

An oath they could break in a specific and limited way.

bigjohnowls

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

I think you need to have a lie-down.

No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar

How about an invasion from Kent

Barnesian

rottenborough said:

Barnesian said:

LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

Greens have had it as policy for years.

Potential coalition policy!

Scott_xP

https://twitter.com/RondelleHobbs/status/1309499802430955520

nichomar

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over

Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1309589788807266305

London lockdown...

HYUFD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

CorrectHorseBattery

https://twitter.com/JMagosh/status/1309446640684748802

FrancisUrquhart

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1309589788807266305

London lockdown...

It will soon be easier to just list which regions aren't in lockdown.

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

nichomar

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

HYUFD

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Somewhere at the MOD it will have been wargamed, hopefully never needing to be used but ready if required

FrancisUrquhart

bigjohnowls said:

RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

Is fake news...

https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1309591352083189760?s=19

dixiedean

CorrectHorseBattery said:

https://twitter.com/JMagosh/status/1309446640684748802

Would be interesting to see the too strict/too soft/generally useless splits on that disapprove total.

Nigelb

dixiedean said:

Pulpstar said:

Why was Healey so popular ?

War hero. Very bright. Witty. Bags of personality (@isam Would love that). Played piano on Morecambe and Wise.

And the anti-Benn.

LadyG

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

nichomar

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

But why? National testosterone overdose?

Jonathan

Rishi had better cash in soon.

HYUFD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

nichomar

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

Your stark raving bonkers I’m afraid.

LadyG

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

Your stark raving bonkers I’m afraid.

But also entertaining! Do not deter him

Gallowgate

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

And then what?

HYUFD

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

But why? National testosterone overdose?

Because unlike the weak and wet Left the Tories believe in the defence of the nation and its territory above all else, as Thatcher so clearly proved in 1982

LadyG

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

And then what?

March on Madrid. Retake the whole peninsula. Clearly.

Foxy

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

IanB2 said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?

The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh

No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.

It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it

It wouldn’t be and oaths are made to be broken.

In specific and limited ways...

dixiedean

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.

HYUFD

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

And then what?

We have won the brief war and have a ticker tape parade through the streets of London to applaud our heroic troops and Boris rejoices at that news!

nichomar

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.

bigjohnowls

bigjohnowls said:

RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

Hopefully Toby is right

Toby Perkins
@tobyperkinsmp
Am told that rumours of Dennis Skinner’s passing are untrue. He is alive and well.

nichomar

HYUFD said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

And then what?

We have won the brief war and have a ticker tape parade through the streets of London and Boris rejoices at that news!

And thousands of British immigrants are either dead or interned.

LadyG

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.

I went to Argentina recently. Lovely people, bit crazy, but as a nation they are not capable of taking the Malvinas, not remotely, even though they rave about it.

Foxy

dixiedean said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.

Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.

Nigelb

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over

Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.

I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.

HYUFD

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.

You could but the Falklands are more strongly defended now and we have submarines which could sink the Argentine fleet (the Royal Navy has more submarines than Spain and Argentina combined) and we could also do a deal with our Chilean allies who also supported us in 1982

Jonathan

The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

nichomar

Nigelb said:

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over

Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.

I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.

No mainland Spain three fell on land one of which burst open and two in the sea, only one has been recovered. It was the result of a refueling accident which caused the crash. Did they drop bombs on the atoms? Or just explode them on or underground.

Nigelb

Jonathan said:

The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

I don’t think brave Sir Boris is quite as bonkers as HYUFD.

nichomar

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.

Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.

Johnson’s army would defeat the asteroid

FrancisUrquhart

https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1309595481455165441?s=19

Pro_Rata

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.

So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain

And then what?

March on Madrid. Retake the whole peninsula. Clearly.

Bait and switch. The unspoken truth is British overseas territories are a bit rubbish. Let Spain's forces be tied up in Gibraltar and take Catalonia, fair swap.

Then grant Catalonia independence for their share of our debt. Surely.

Benpointer

Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

Nigelb

nichomar said:

Nigelb said:

nichomar said:

LadyG said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over

Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.

I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.

No mainland Spain three fell on land one of which burst open and two in the sea, only one has been recovered. It was the result of a refueling accident which caused the crash. Did they drop bombs on the atoms? Or just explode them on or underground.

On the atolls ?
Yes.

FrancisUrquhart

This is getting rather Trumpian now...3 million tests a day...roll out of a vaccine that hasn't even finished trials.

We can hardly do 200k tests a day, but we are to believe in a couple of months we will be able to do 15x that. Is there enough reagents, PCR machines, etc etc etc to even do that.

solarflare

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

Well, that escalated quickly.

nichomar

Benpointer said:

Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

I have a feeling it was me in response to someone suggesting brexit would give spain the opportunity to take over Gibraltar, I said they wouldn’t because it’s not in their interest then LtCol HY marched onto the thread.

Pulpstar

Benpointer said:

Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

Isn't HYUFD going to deploy the tanks to Edinburgh to stop Scottish seccession ?

Nigelb

Benpointer said:

Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

Private Francois will have a worthy successor in due course.

Benpointer

nichomar said:

Foxy said:

dixiedean said:

LadyG said:

Gallowgate said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

HYUFD said:

nichomar said:

rpjs said:

FPT:

Gallowgate said:

eek said:

You know that truck park in Kent well

https://twitter.com/cstross/status/1309572035836874757

I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.

An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.

If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.

Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain

Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.

So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war

The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.

There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

This whole fantasy is laughable.

Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho

Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy.

Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.

Johnson’s army would defeat the asteroid

Cummings' superforecasters have probably got the giant asteroid covered; it's the totally predicatable increase in Covid on the back of the 'get back to the office' message that threw them.

williamglenn

Jonathan said:

The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

We shall iterate on the beaches.

Benpointer

Nigelb said:

Benpointer said:

Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

Private Francois will have a worthy successor in due course.

Sooner rather than later?