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Rishi Sunak has highest satisfaction ratings for a Chancellor since Healey in 1978 – politicalbettin

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edited September 25 in General
Rishi Sunak has highest satisfaction ratings for a Chancellor since Healey in 1978 – politicalbetting.com

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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 7,191
    Best that he enjoys the adulation whilst he still can.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 4,285

    Best that he enjoys the adulation whilst he still can.

    Everyone likes a spender ;)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    Curse of the thread:

    The ONS Infection Survey uses random sampling to overcome the problem of selection bias. While these data suggest that somewhere between 4,200 and 8,300 people per day are getting the infection, it tells you nothing about the infectious status of the individuals , and the small sample number of cases in the survey (over the latest six-week period 136 people from 118 households tested positive out of 208,730 tests). This gives rise to small sample bias that can lead to chance findings.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rule-of-four-how-to-make-sense-of-covid-case-numbers?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND 20200925 Charles Stanley JO+CID_37cc20f8d49b7bef21d26309936a80eb
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 2,850
    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    I strongly suspect Michael Crick is right, and, like most PMs, Johnson will last a lot longer than seems likely at the moment.

    Unfortunately.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 5,714
    Of course, Healey's party went down to defeat thirteen months after that poll. He spent the remainder of his career in the Commons on the Opposition benches.
  • I would love Johnson to last until the next GE
  • glwglw Posts: 6,699
    Even Fred West would have been popular with the public if he'd had the foresight to give away tens of billions of pounds before murdering all those people.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 62,066
    Why was Healey so popular ?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 7,672

    Curse of the thread:

    The ONS Infection Survey uses random sampling to overcome the problem of selection bias. While these data suggest that somewhere between 4,200 and 8,300 people per day are getting the infection, it tells you nothing about the infectious status of the individuals , and the small sample number of cases in the survey (over the latest six-week period 136 people from 118 households tested positive out of 208,730 tests). This gives rise to small sample bias that can lead to chance findings.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-rule-of-four-how-to-make-sense-of-covid-case-numbers?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CampaignMonitor_Editorial&utm_campaign=BLND 20200925 Charles Stanley JO+CID_37cc20f8d49b7bef21d26309936a80eb

    Essentially - we don't like the polling answer. Polls are rubbish because they only have really small samples. Therefore....
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 7,452
    edited September 25
    Spain has the highest percentage of people living in flats in Europe, almost two-thirds. Maybe this explains why they're having a problem with Covid-19, because people are less likely to want to spend most of their time in a flat compared to a house.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/503282/share-of-population-living-in-flats-europe-eu/
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    London (CNN Business) The coronavirus pandemic is slamming the vast property empire that provides Queen Elizabeth II with a significant chunk of her income. British taxpayers could be making up the shortfall for years to come.

    Sir Michael Stevens, the Queen's treasurer, confirmed in a statement on Friday that the size of the Sovereign Grant, one of the royal family's major sources of income, won't be affected by an expected slump in profits from the Crown Estate's investments.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    150 new deaths in France, today, 115 in Spain.

    It's a lagging indicator, but maybe deaths are beginning to show in the Euro 2nd wave
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    Andy_JS said:

    Spain has the highest percentage of people living in flats in Europe, almost two-thirds. Maybe this explains why they're having a problem with Covid-19, because people are less likely to want to spend most of their time in a flat compared to a house.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/503282/share-of-population-living-in-flats-europe-eu/

    Also have the highest population density in Europe.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Also it's never going to happen without the consent of the Gibraltarian people, in a vote, and the chances of that happening are, at the moment, adjacent to the figure zero.

    Even if HMG was minded to hand it over, it could not, morally or practically
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,638
    According to Fauci, 22% of people in New York have been infected, so a rule of thumb for what we'd need to go through to reach herd immunity is three times the death toll of New York, repeated everywhere.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    Healey was of course a heavy hitter, like Sunak extremely bright and would certainly have been a far better Labour leader than Foot and a far tougher opponent for Thatcher had he won the 1980 Labour leadership contest he lost by just 3%
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
  • RobDRobD Posts: 49,135
    IanB2 said:

    London (CNN Business) The coronavirus pandemic is slamming the vast property empire that provides Queen Elizabeth II with a significant chunk of her income. British taxpayers could be making up the shortfall for years to come.

    Sir Michael Stevens, the Queen's treasurer, confirmed in a statement on Friday that the size of the Sovereign Grant, one of the royal family's major sources of income, won't be affected by an expected slump in profits from the Crown Estate's investments.

    I cringe every time I see the word "slamming" in a supposedly serious news article.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727


    I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    Reference the dog-cat discussion midweek, PB cat fanciers come back when your cats can do this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/25/any-breed-could-do-it-dogs-might-be-covid-testers-best-friend
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 4,285
    LadyG said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Also it's never going to happen without the consent of the Gibraltarian people, in a vote, and the chances of that happening are, at the moment, adjacent to the figure zero.

    Even if HMG was minded to hand it over, it could not, morally or practically
    We know that HMG is not practical. Now, if it could only be immoral as well ....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,513
    LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    Pulpstar said:

    Why was Healey so popular ?

    War hero. Very bright. Witty. Bags of personality (@isam Would love that). Played piano on Morecambe and Wise.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    edited September 25



    I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.
    Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

    Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 29,076
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    IanB2 said:



    I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.
    Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

    Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead
    Why? All of those issues have 2 sides.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
    The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    edited September 25
    IanB2 said:



    I seem to recall posting on here weeks ago that Biden needs to have 'it's the economy stoopid' pinned to his HQ wall.
    Which applying a bit of maths gives a Trump 48% to Biden 46%

    Edit/ Although the Scotus segment probably splits, giving Biden a narrow lead
    Didnt I read from memory Trump is only 2% ahead on crime and safety. So that splits too? As of course do they all to some degree.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
    The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
    No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
    The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
    No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
    It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    Barnesian said:

    LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

    Cue John Rentoul.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,638
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    Perhaps intern Michael Portillo while you're at it?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 10,706
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    I think you need to have a lie-down.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 36,727
    Barnesian said:

    LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

    Greens have had it as policy for years.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    I think you need to have a lie-down.
    No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar
  • Scott_xP said:
    Well that's a relief.

    If Ambrose Evans-Pritchard thinks we're doomed, we can breathe a sigh of relief.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 15,184
    RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    edited September 25

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    I think you need to have a lie-down.
    Preferably on his back. His tumescence will prevent him from lying face down.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
    The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
    No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
    It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it
    It wouldn’t be and oaths are made to be broken.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096

    Barnesian said:

    LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

    Greens have had it as policy for years.
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    I think you need to have a lie-down.
    No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar
    Another side benefit
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 3,891
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
    The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
    No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
    It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it
    An oath they could break in a specific and limited way.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 15,184
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    I think you need to have a lie-down.
    No Tory PM would survive failing to defeat a Spanish invasion of Gibraltar
    How about an invasion from Kent
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 6,513

    Barnesian said:

    LibDem conference just voted for a Universal Basic Income. Large majority in favour. A distinctive policy.

    Greens have had it as policy for years.
    Potential coalition policy!
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    LadyG said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
    Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    edited September 25
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

  • It will soon be easier to just list which regions aren't in lockdown.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 10,706
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    edited September 25
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Somewhere at the MOD it will have been wargamed, hopefully never needing to be used but ready if required
  • RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

    Is fake news...

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    Would be interesting to see the too strict/too soft/generally useless splits on that disapprove total.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    dixiedean said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Why was Healey so popular ?

    War hero. Very bright. Witty. Bags of personality (@isam Would love that). Played piano on Morecambe and Wise.
    And the anti-Benn.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    But why? National testosterone overdose?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 15,142
    Rishi had better cash in soon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    edited September 25
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
    Your stark raving bonkers I’m afraid.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
    Your stark raving bonkers I’m afraid.
    But also entertaining! Do not deter him
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 10,706
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
    And then what?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    But why? National testosterone overdose?
    Because unlike the weak and wet Left the Tories believe in the defence of the nation and its territory above all else, as Thatcher so clearly proved in 1982
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
    And then what?

    March on Madrid. Retake the whole peninsula. Clearly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Are you sure you can afford to leave Scotland unoccupied?
    The Royal Regiment of Scotland is already based in Edinburgh
    No guarantee they stay loyal to the English crown.
    It is the British crown and they have to take an oath of loyalty to it
    It wouldn’t be and oaths are made to be broken.
    In specific and limited ways...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 8,776
    edited September 25
    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
    Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
    Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy. :wink:
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    edited September 25

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
    And then what?
    We have won the brief war and have a ticker tape parade through the streets of London to applaud our heroic troops and Boris rejoices at that news!
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
    Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 15,184

    RIP Dennis Skinner if reports circulating locally are correct

    Hopefully Toby is right

    Toby Perkins
    @tobyperkinsmp
    Am told that rumours of Dennis Skinner’s passing are untrue. He is alive and well.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
    And then what?
    We have won the brief war and have a ticker tape parade through the streets of London and Boris rejoices at that news!
    And thousands of British immigrants are either dead or interned.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 1,928
    nichomar said:

    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
    Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.
    I went to Argentina recently. Lovely people, bit crazy, but as a nation they are not capable of taking the Malvinas, not remotely, even though they rave about it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 18,846
    dixiedean said:

    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
    Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
    Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy. :wink:
    Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    nichomar said:

    LadyG said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
    Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.
    I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 78,329
    edited September 25
    nichomar said:

    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
    Of course I could throw in a spanish Argentinian pact where the invade the falklands at the same time.
    You could but the Falklands are more strongly defended now and we have submarines which could sink the Argentine fleet (the Royal Navy has more submarines than Spain and Argentina combined) and we could also do a deal with our Chilean allies who also supported us in 1982
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 15,142
    The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

    You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    Nigelb said:

    nichomar said:

    LadyG said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
    Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.
    I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.
    No mainland Spain three fell on land one of which burst open and two in the sea, only one has been recovered. It was the result of a refueling accident which caused the crash. Did they drop bombs on the atoms? Or just explode them on or underground.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    edited September 25
    Jonathan said:

    The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

    You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

    I don’t think brave Sir Boris is quite as bonkers as HYUFD.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
    Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
    Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy. :wink:
    Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.
    Johnson’s army would defeat the asteroid
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 2,091
    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    You forget the national police, guardia civil and police local, plus their anti terrorist force all capable of being armed to the teeth. That’s about another 100,000 at least.
    So what, our RAF is bigger and more effective than the Spanish airforce so once control of the skies is achieved the RAF would bomb them to destruction, while the British army and SAS secured the region in and around Gibraltar and recaptured it for Britain
    And then what?

    March on Madrid. Retake the whole peninsula. Clearly.
    Bait and switch. The unspoken truth is British overseas territories are a bit rubbish. Let Spain's forces be tied up in Gibraltar and take Catalonia, fair swap.

    Then grant Catalonia independence for their share of our debt. Surely.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915
    nichomar said:

    Nigelb said:

    nichomar said:

    LadyG said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    Except, if we're going to play war games, the UK could nuke Barcelona and Seville, and threaten Madrid, and then it's game over
    Yes, as it happens the USA have dropped more nukes on spanish soil than anywhere else in the world, the fortunately didn’t detonate but have caused significant contamination.
    I don’t think Bikini and Eniwetak were Spanish territory at the time.
    No mainland Spain three fell on land one of which burst open and two in the sea, only one has been recovered. It was the result of a refueling accident which caused the crash. Did they drop bombs on the atoms? Or just explode them on or underground.
    On the atolls ?
    Yes.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 49,487
    edited September 25
    This is getting rather Trumpian now...3 million tests a day...roll out of a vaccine that hasn't even finished trials.

    We can hardly do 200k tests a day, but we are to believe in a couple of months we will be able to do 15x that. Is there enough reagents, PCR machines, etc etc etc to even do that.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 1,015
    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale British invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    Well, that escalated quickly.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,096

    Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

    I have a feeling it was me in response to someone suggesting brexit would give spain the opportunity to take over Gibraltar, I said they wouldn’t because it’s not in their interest then LtCol HY marched onto the thread.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 62,066

    Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

    Isn't HYUFD going to deploy the tanks to Edinburgh to stop Scottish seccession ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 25,915

    Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

    Private Francois will have a worthy successor in due course.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    edited September 25
    nichomar said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    LadyG said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    HYUFD said:

    nichomar said:

    rpjs said:

    FPT:

    eek said:

    You know that truck park in Kent well

    I am increasingly of the view that the transition period will be extended. We are over a barrel and we know it.
    An extension request now will require the consent of the EC, the EP, the EU27 member states and I think those regional parliaments that are accorded a veto by their member states like Walloonia.

    If Spain is ever going to seriously push to get Gibraltar back for real, that will be the time.
    If they got it back then it would remove the governments distraction from domestic problems option. It’s not really in their interests to get it ‘back’ too many people benefit from the current arrangement both legally and illegally.
    Not to mention any attempt to get it back without the consent of the rock's people would in effect be a declaration of war which would require Boris to do a Thatcher and send a task force to southern Spain
    Whilst you are in fantasy land I’m afraid a task force would get absolutely nowhere, have you been to Gibraltar? The spanish could put thousands of armed personnel on the streets if it came to it. It won’t happen so rather silly to discuss it.
    So what, we would send the Queen Elizabeth to the Mediterrenean to launch bombing raids on Spanish positions, land the SAS and the parachute regiment onto the rock and they would in turn arm the local population for guerrilla war
    The aircraft carrier would be blasted out of the water because it has no protection, bombing the spanish positions would kill many british immigrants and facing an army of many thousands of heavily armed personnel the SAS would be totally ineffective. But it’s fun to play keyboard warrior War games, it ain’t going to happen but if it did the UK would never get it back militarily.
    There would be destroyers, frigates etc supporting it Spain has 414 planes in its airforce, the RAF has 832 planes and of course they can also launch bombing raids from UK airbases on Spanish airfields, factories, railways etc which obviously would occur with RAF bombing of Spain until Spain withdrew from Gibraltar. Our submarines meanwhile would sink all Spanish naval ships to ensure ports could be captured on the Spanish mainland.

    A full scale invasion of southern Spain would also then have to be on the cards with troops landing at those ports if the Spanish did not withdraw from Gibraltar and the British army has 79,000 personnel to 75,000 for Spain.

    The UK would of course get it back militarily no matter what the cost

    This whole fantasy is laughable.
    Makes a nice change from Covid Despair tho
    Nowt like a little war speculation to lighten the mood away from pestilence, death and economic depression.
    Me. I'm anticipating the subsequent famine following the inevitable sanctions with deep heartfelt joy. :wink:
    Could we have a giant asteroid first? 2020 is that sort of year.
    Johnson’s army would defeat the asteroid
    Cummings' superforecasters have probably got the giant asteroid covered; it's the totally predicatable increase in Covid on the back of the 'get back to the office' message that threw them.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 34,638
    edited September 25
    Jonathan said:

    The idea of Boris and Cummings leading the UK through wartime is terrifying.

    You’ll have a sub Churchill speech on Monday, the enemy will past Dover on Tuesday, Cummings will be Durham on Wednesday, Boris will blame the young people on Thursday. It will be all over by the weekend.

    We shall iterate on the beaches.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 14,157
    Nigelb said:

    Come on, own up. Who set @HYUFD off on his Spanish War fanatasy again?

    Private Francois will have a worthy successor in due course.
    Sooner rather than later?
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