https://twitter.com/joshglancy/status/1299734436792197120?s=21

rottenborough said:

"Discussions have also been held over scrapping the various reliefs applied to CGT and replacing them with indexation allowances, meaning only gains in excess of inflation would be taxed."

Telegraph.

Isn't that what we used to have?

That’s a subtle way of hitting entrepreneur’s relief

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1299816520076480512

I laid Sunak for next Leader a while ago.

Can’t be tax rises or austerity. @HYUFD has already ruled both of them out.

Charles said:

SandyRentool said:

Charles said:

rottenborough said:

"Discussions have also been held over scrapping the various reliefs applied to CGT and replacing them with indexation allowances, meaning only gains in excess of inflation would be taxed."

Telegraph.

Isn't that what we used to have?

That’s a subtle way of hitting entrepreneur’s relief

Is that similar to executive relief?

No - people who sell a company that they own a significant percentage of pay 10% capital gains vs 45%. (I think - it’s never applied to me so haven’t dug into the details)

But only on the first £5m or so. If you make a £20m gain, only the first£5m is at 10%

Charles said:

rottenborough said:

"Discussions have also been held over scrapping the various reliefs applied to CGT and replacing them with indexation allowances, meaning only gains in excess of inflation would be taxed."

Telegraph.

Isn't that what we used to have?

That’s a subtle way of hitting entrepreneur’s relief

It’s already been cut from £10m lifetime allowance to £1m

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Gallowgate said:

Can’t be tax rises or austerity. @HYUFD has already ruled both of them out.

Well the PM has clearly ruled out tax rises it seems on those headlines, whatever the Treasury has proposed, so that is out or very limited in scope.

In terms of austerity we know already Cummings wants some defence cuts and to switch to cyber warfare but beyond that Tory MPs will block anything else significant, especially the newly elected ones in the Red Wall who will vote down any cuts to the NHS, education, the police, an end to the triple lock etc and without them there is no Tory majority in the Commons

SandyRentool said:

Charles said:

SandyRentool said:

Charles said:

rottenborough said:

"Discussions have also been held over scrapping the various reliefs applied to CGT and replacing them with indexation allowances, meaning only gains in excess of inflation would be taxed."

Telegraph.

Isn't that what we used to have?

That’s a subtle way of hitting entrepreneur’s relief

Is that similar to executive relief?

No - people who sell a company that they own a significant percentage of pay 10% capital gains vs 45%. (I think - it’s never applied to me so haven’t dug into the details)

Charles, only you could give a serious response to my flippant comment.

Thank you.

Good of you to own up, though, rather than have Charles ask around about this executive relief.

Though I wouldn’t be entirely surprised were it to appear in the next budget.

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

People believe in Frazzledrip.

This is the QAnon story about how there is a video of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin where they rape a child, and then cut its face off and wear it. (That is, Hillary Clinton wears a child's face she has just cut from a mutilated dead body.)

It's utterly ridiculous and absurd.

But people believe it. Lots of people believe it.

Why?

Nigelb said:

https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1299501630111592449

Yet his opponent is a near 80 year old pensioner not a 40 year old vibrant figure of youth

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

Successful viruses keep mutating..

rcs1000 said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

People believe in Frazzledrip.

This is the QAnon story about how there is a video of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin where they rape a child, and then cut its face off and wear it. (That is, Hillary Clinton wears a child's face she has just cut from a mutilated dead body.)

It's utterly ridiculous and absurd.

But people believe it. Lots of people believe it.

Why?

Weirdly, some things are so outlandish people seem to think they are too ridiculous to not be true.

rcs1000 said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

People believe in Frazzledrip.

This is the QAnon story about how there is a video of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin where they rape a child, and then cut its face off and wear it. (That is, Hillary Clinton wears a child's face she has just cut from a mutilated dead body.)

It's utterly ridiculous and absurd.

But people believe it. Lots of people believe it.

Why?

There are 2 main reasons why people believe in Conspiracy theories - power or fear.

The power group believe in the conspiracy theory as knowing "the truth" makes them 'cleverer' than everyone else. Their confidence in their esoteric knowledge elevates them above the herd of idiots.

The fear group believe a conspiracy theory as it applies order and reason to an otherwise chaotic and fearful situation. Even if the conspiracy theory it self should induce fear the fact that there is a concrete reason for things happening makes the believer feel relieved.

QAnon draws on both types. A lot of people who would otherwise be totally disgusted and disappointed with Trump find the QAnon belief allows them to exscuse Trump's behaviour (this would be the fear group). The power group is more obvious, QAnon is an utterly baroque and purposely obfuscated theory. Piecing it together is like participating in an Arg and unlocking secrets (I. E. Making up new shit) gives you qudos with the group.

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ObserverUK/status/1299780496046436352

The Tories are so bloody idiotic about polls right now. My gods, they have a big majority which they won despite being in office for 9 years, and they lose their heads the first time Labour actually close the gap after the win? Do they think they have a god given expectation to always lead in polls?

Grow a spine for heaven's sake.

kle4 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ObserverUK/status/1299780496046436352

The Tories are so bloody idiotic about polls right now. My gods, they have a big majority which they won despite being in office for 9 years, and they lose their heads the first time Labour actually close the gap after the win? Do they think they have a god given expectation to always lead in polls?

Grow a spine for heaven's sake.

The Tories were 25% behind Labour in the spring of 1990. Two years later they won the election by 8%.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1987-1992

Ave_it said:

kle4 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ObserverUK/status/1299780496046436352

The Tories are so bloody idiotic about polls right now. My gods, they have a big majority which they won despite being in office for 9 years, and they lose their heads the first time Labour actually close the gap after the win? Do they think they have a god given expectation to always lead in polls?

Grow a spine for heaven's sake.

I am Tory. I have been posting here for some time that we don't need to worry about polls until 2024

The Wokerista on here have been getting excited but they will be disappointed as ever 😊

I was referring to Tory MPs, mostly. Many of them, even very senior ones, seem remarkably easy to rattle.

Andy_JS said:

kle4 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ObserverUK/status/1299780496046436352

The Tories are so bloody idiotic about polls right now. My gods, they have a big majority which they won despite being in office for 9 years, and they lose their heads the first time Labour actually close the gap after the win? Do they think they have a god given expectation to always lead in polls?

Grow a spine for heaven's sake.

The Tories were 25% behind Labour in the spring of 1990. Two years later they won the election by 8%.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1987-1992

Only after changing their leader and dumping the poll tax

MightyAlex said:

rcs1000 said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

People believe in Frazzledrip.

This is the QAnon story about how there is a video of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin where they rape a child, and then cut its face off and wear it. (That is, Hillary Clinton wears a child's face she has just cut from a mutilated dead body.)

It's utterly ridiculous and absurd.

But people believe it. Lots of people believe it.

Why?

My cod psychology:

1st world shit life syndrome,

They've watched their families comfy 'lower middle class' lifestyle disappear through the last 40 years of low wage stagnation. Trapped in lower America's cycle of low value service sector employment and declining living standards.

Their angry, want to be part of something and the Q philosophy lets them think that everything is soon to change.

This podcast is brilliant, interviews a number of Q and ex-Q believers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/podcasts/rabbit-hole-qanon-youtube-tiktok-virus.html

I find this, and @Alistair's post above rather silly. There's a far simpler reason why people believe in a conspiracy theory - they hear it, it seems plausible, it seems to fit the facts as they see them, they believe it. Before we start locking away these poor benighted fools, we should remember that a significant section of PB puts most of the ills of the modern world down to plotting by Vladimir Putin. Those are also conspiracy theories. You could say 'ah, but those ones are true.' but that rings a bit hollow doesn't it?

Luckyguy1983 said:

MightyAlex said:

rcs1000 said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

People believe in Frazzledrip.

This is the QAnon story about how there is a video of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin where they rape a child, and then cut its face off and wear it. (That is, Hillary Clinton wears a child's face she has just cut from a mutilated dead body.)

It's utterly ridiculous and absurd.

But people believe it. Lots of people believe it.

Why?

My cod psychology:

1st world shit life syndrome,

They've watched their families comfy 'lower middle class' lifestyle disappear through the last 40 years of low wage stagnation. Trapped in lower America's cycle of low value service sector employment and declining living standards.

Their angry, want to be part of something and the Q philosophy lets them think that everything is soon to change.

This podcast is brilliant, interviews a number of Q and ex-Q believers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/podcasts/rabbit-hole-qanon-youtube-tiktok-virus.html

I find this, and @Alistair's post above rather silly. There's a far simpler reason why people believe in a conspiracy theory - they hear it, it seems plausible, it seems to fit the facts as they see them, they believe it. Before we start locking away these poor benighted fools, we should remember that a significant section of PB puts most of the ills of the modern world down to plotting by Vladimir Putin. Those are also conspiracy theories. You could say 'ah, but those ones are true.' but that rings a bit hollow doesn't it?

Your words are in respect of conspiracies generally, but this was about a specific conspiracy theory which, from the description in the post, apparently accuses Hillary Clinton of participation in child rape, murder and mutilation. I don't think it silly to question why so many people might find that particular accusation 'plausible'.

Some conspiracy theories are indeed plausible. Most are far from plausible, but it is easy to see how lots of people would be willing to see it as plausible. But that one? Even the investigators of Operation Midland would find it hard to accept.

So that lots of people believe in conspiracies does not mean that bafflement at the rise of a particular one is silly.

kle4 said:

HYUFD said:

Andy_JS said:

kle4 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/ObserverUK/status/1299780496046436352

The Tories are so bloody idiotic about polls right now. My gods, they have a big majority which they won despite being in office for 9 years, and they lose their heads the first time Labour actually close the gap after the win? Do they think they have a god given expectation to always lead in polls?

Grow a spine for heaven's sake.

The Tories were 25% behind Labour in the spring of 1990. Two years later they won the election by 8%.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/historical-polls/voting-intention-1987-1992

Only after changing their leader and dumping the poll tax

If the Tories end up 25% behind at some point between now and 2024 I'm sure they will consider changing their leader and dumping some major policy too. But parity should not cause any of them to piss their pants either.

I can't think of a full Parliament ever where the Tories have been in office and not gone behind.

Quite frankly its remarkable its not happened yet - Thatcher, Cameron, Major all fell behind much quicker.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8677567/Top-Tory-Sir-Robbie-Gibb-launches-TV-rival-woke-wet-BBC.html

A former Downing Street adviser is behind a secret new project to set up an ‘impartial’ television news channel to rival the crisis-hit BBC, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

Sir Robbie Gibb – who was a senior BBC executive before becoming Theresa May’s director of communications at No 10 – is spearheading a drive to raise funds for GB News.

The 24-hour station, due to launch early next year, aims to capitalise on growing discontent over the BBC, with sources describing it as an antidote to the ‘woke, wet’ Corporation.

MightyAlex said:

rcs1000 said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Mortimer said:

dixiedean said:

Alistair said:

Theuniondivvie said:

A bunch of cultists.

https://twitter.com/NinaDSchick/status/1299800259204395009?s=20

Not quite the numbers that the Kennedy nutcase was predicting.

'Some 38,000 people took part in a march that split into two main groups.'

The way QAnon has morphed in "Wellness lifestyle" groups (I. E yoga mums) is amazing.

Hard core 1st gen QAnoners are basically denouncing all these in person physical marches. They see QAnon as an online only movement.

Splitters!

Can someone explain what on earth that previous comment means? I've never heard of QAnon?

Google QAnon Trump, then despair.

Qanon is the new Tea Party.

There will be many openly QAnon Congressional candidates in 2022

People believe in Frazzledrip.

This is the QAnon story about how there is a video of Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin where they rape a child, and then cut its face off and wear it. (That is, Hillary Clinton wears a child's face she has just cut from a mutilated dead body.)

It's utterly ridiculous and absurd.

But people believe it. Lots of people believe it.

Why?

My cod psychology:

1st world shit life syndrome,

They've watched their families comfy 'lower middle class' lifestyle disappear through the last 40 years of low wage stagnation. Trapped in lower America's cycle of low value service sector employment and declining living standards.

Their angry, want to be part of something and the Q philosophy lets them think that everything is soon to change.

This podcast is brilliant, interviews a number of Q and ex-Q believers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/podcasts/rabbit-hole-qanon-youtube-tiktok-virus.html

I think your analysis is pretty good.

Sandpit said:

kle4 said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1299816520076480512

Rather shows just how stupid we all are. Whatever the merits or not of specific proposals, even the prospect of paying a little more in this difficult situation is all about being a 'tax raid', and even if the idea is supported the language used foreshadows a negative public reaction.

The problem is that the internet is killing the mainstream media, and they're reacting by going down the clickbait route of over-dramatising everything.

This sort of language, as you say, is designed to be divisive rather than constructive, and is most unhelpful to a sensible discussion about how we move forward after the shock of a global pandemic.

Gets loads of clicks though, so that's alright.

Over-dramatisation started well before the internet. Cf. the tabloid press in the UK, Australia or Germany, or indeed pretty much any media outlet in the US.

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