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Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
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Nope - it was "the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo", an old music hall song Featured in 1962 film Lawrence of Arabia, sung by Lawrence on a camel.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Was that the White Rabbit? The one made famous by Grace Slick & Jefferson Airplane?Tim_B said:
Reminds me of a song -Benpointer said:Apols for re-posting but this great photo seems to have dropped off the header:
Trump's clearly got the wind up
As I walk along the Bois de Boulogne
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This government is really pushing the boundaries of incompetence.0
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It's like when Watson explains to Holmes that the earth goes round the sun.
"This is a three-blog problem."
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Making history by picking a Black woman running mate is quite enough risk for anyone.SirNorfolkPassmore said:On topic, surely it was already priced into the odds that the choice would either be Harris or someone (like Rice) who would be broadly as effective second on the ticket?
Only a surprise choice (either one deemed an inspired game-changer or an act of madness) would have moved the odds.
FWIW, I think Harris is a sensible, fairly safe choice. She is a more than capable public performer; she has a reasonably strong back story to drive turnout among groups who are strongly Democrat leaning without alienating independents; she is unlikely to have skeletons in the closet given she's been a major public figure for years; and she is well qualified to be President should that be required. Lots of ticks in lots of boxes.
Biden could have chosen the likes of Stacy Abrahams or Gretchen Whitmer who are less widely known. People would go "oh, that's interesting" and it might either help him a lot or harm him a lot. But he doesn't need to change the dynamics of the race because he has a not massive but pretty decent lead. And he quite sensibly didn't.
EDIT: Although if he loses narrowly, deciding not to change the dynamics of the race will, with hindsight, be deemed an awful mistake. But hindsight's 20/20. Playing the odds, he's sensible.
Personally like that Joe Biden has vindicated his Celtic cred, by picking the very woman who damn near knocked his block off in that most memorable debate.
IF that ain't showing yer Irish, then what the feck is?0 -
I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.3 -
No, this is the one thing the government has got right, I say that while being in Italy and potentially caught by a new quarantine. If anything it should be tougher with a traffic light system and no travel from red list countries like America, Brazil and India with quarantine reserved for amber countries like France and Portugal etc...rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.1 -
I did say this morning this announcement was very likely and is not unexpectedCorrectHorseBattery said:0 -
You did too! Ticking off for me very much included.CorrectHorseBattery said:
I'm not attacking his point, I am attacking the completely unnecessary use of Remoaners. We're having an educated discussion and these words just cheapen the point.MaxPB said:
Ave_it is the anti-Kinablu. If you want to know what working class England is thinking then pay attention in that same way that if you want to know what Guardian readers are thinking you pay attention to what Kinablu is saying.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Mature post. Did you need to call people Remoaners?Ave_it said:
This year plus 4 more years of whinging by the hard left - a bit like remoaners on here!DavidL said:
Of which year?Ave_it said:
It's ok I don't bother with betting!Pagan2 said:
I wouldn't advise betting on my hunches mind I am basing it on I talk to a fair number of american friends over the course of a week and last time I thought based on that trump would win. This time he doesn't seem to have lost any that previously supported him and picked up a couple of pro hilary people. Its not a scientific sample by any means nor even big enough to deduce from statisticallyAve_it said:
But this site will go into meltdown on 3/4 Nov if Trump does win!
Just like the gammon thing yesterday, these terms need to go.
You just look immature.
Just as I had a go at people doing the same with gammon yesterday.
The G word does not sit well in the new era of Starmer. On this we can agree.0 -
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.0 -
Believing Trumsky will win in 2020, is NOT the same thing as supporting that outcome.Pagan2 said:
I am not pro trump by any means i think the guy is a complete dick. I was anti hilary admittedly but that was personalBenpointer said:
You really need to ask?Anabobazina said:
IF anyone could pull it off, it's him. BUT still think he will NOT because he's wedded to his past wining strategy this year, the way the French high command in 1940 was weDded to their previous winning strategy.0 -
Only two weeks to go apparently. Two more weeks to Layla.MaxPB said:
That would actually be a good political joke given the Lib Dems have taken about 47 years to pick a new leader.Monkeys said:
It's like when Watson explains to Holmes that the earth goes round the sun.
"This is a three-blog problem."0 -
@Ave_it will be filing you under 'Hard left'rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.
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I think Biden would be alright, but Trump is on the cusp of causing permanent damage to the political system in the US*, and the US reputation abroad. I'd like to see Trump jailed but will settle for him being booted out of the Whitehouse.rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.
* Which is now clearly in a shocking mess with safeguards that are mostly effective only in theory rather than in practice.1 -
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Two close members of my family work, or worked, in London Schools and it is hardly a secret that quality of students work is not the sole driver of the marks teachers give. Kids don't get to do subjects they might not pass in.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1294015823292575750/photo/1
Telegraph got the young girls it wanted1 -
Not sure they still use the blood of virgins for newspaper ink these days, I think it's frowned upon.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1294015823292575750/photo/1
Telegraph got the young girls it wanted1 -
Jonathan said:
This government is really pushing the boundaries of incompetence.
There are no boundaries where this government and incompetence are concerned.1 -
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.0 -
One of the odder things is how the DC Republicans have gone along with Trump.rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.
I am remember when Lindsey Graham was regularly denounced as a RINO yet he has morphed into a Trump cheerleader.0 -
The Trump. Campaign has decided on another round of Birtherism for Kamala is the answer.0
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I tend to agree with this. His playbook for 2020 is "don't let radical leftists win the White House". And I'm sure it will work with some people, but it's an easier pitch if Warren or Sanders it the nominee, than when it's a Biden / Harris ticket.SeaShantyIrish2 said:
Believing Trumsky will win in 2020, is NOT the same thing as supporting that outcome.Pagan2 said:
I am not pro trump by any means i think the guy is a complete dick. I was anti hilary admittedly but that was personalBenpointer said:
You really need to ask?Anabobazina said:
IF anyone could pull it off, it's him. BUT still think he will NOT because he's wedded to his past wining strategy this year, the way the French high command in 1940 was weDded to their previous winning strategy.0 -
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.1 -
The link some people have between Trump and Brexit is fascinating. It is almost as if they fear that if Trump is defeated then Brexit will be cancelled.2
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My school didn't allow anyone to take the A-level without an A*/A at GCSE. The risk of anything below a B was too high. I know in upper sixth students who got lower than a B were unenrolled and if they wanted to continue they had to go to a sixth form college and transfer their existing modules.isam said:...
Two close members of my family work, or worked, in London Schools and it is hardly a secret that quality of students work is not the sole driver of the marks teachers give. Kids don't get to do subjects they might not pass in.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1294015823292575750/photo/1
Telegraph got the young girls it wanted0 -
Appalling in what ways exactly?rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.1 -
Brexit can't be cancelled. We already left.Alistair said:The link some people have between Trump and Brexit is fascinating. It is almost as if they fear that if Trump is defeated then Brexit will be cancelled.
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Biden has potential to be an above-average president, thanks in large measure to the depth and breadth of his experience in US Senate, including as chairman of the Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees.rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.
IF 2020 results in his election as President, along with small Democratic US Senate and slightly enlarged Democratic US House majority, then Biden would be in a strong position in early 2021. Think he could also work with Congress if Republicans retain thin US Senate majority.0 -
I think at worst Biden makes very little change but at least he'll look and talk like an actual man rather than a fat baby2
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The GOP has gone so raving nuts that they now denounce right-wing neo-con hawks like John Bolton as RINOs.another_richard said:
One of the odder things is how the DC Republicans have gone along with Trump.rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.
I am remember when Lindsey Graham was regularly denounced as a RINO yet he has morphed into a Trump cheerleader.0 -
You know that you're getting old when you fancy the mothers rather than the 6th formers.CorrectHorseBattery said:https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1294015823292575750/photo/1
Telegraph got the young girls it wanted0 -
He's mentally deficient.Anabobazina said:
Appalling in what ways exactly?rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.0 -
I disagree.kinabalu said:
Not the most insightful post you've ever done. Trump has been utterly toxic on several levels.Pagan2 said:
I doubt it, I think personally what the 4 years of Trump has shown is it no longer matters that much who is us president.eristdoof said:
The whole world outside of the US and Russia will go into meltdown.Ave_it said:
It's ok I don't bother with betting!Pagan2 said:
I wouldn't advise betting on my hunches mind I am basing it on I talk to a fair number of american friends over the course of a week and last time I thought based on that trump would win. This time he doesn't seem to have lost any that previously supported him and picked up a couple of pro hilary people. Its not a scientific sample by any means nor even big enough to deduce from statisticallyAve_it said:
But this site will go into meltdown on 3/4 Nov if Trump does win!
Not about Trump but your suggestion that because this year's 18 year olds are missing out on the life experience of exams they deserve better grades.
Without the exams they will be softer and with better grades than they have earned they will have an excessive belief in their own abilities and/or a sense of self-entitlement.
Both are dangerous and especially so in the increasingly difficult world that generation will face.
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Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
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Obviously totally expected, but realistically if the decision was “finely balanced” there really is no serious reason why an extra couple of days couldn’t have been granted. It’s almost as if it’s been timed specifically to catch people travelling back at the weekend, and will probably result in far more chaos with people not socially distancing at airports etc than a more staggered allowance for returnees.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.1 -
AND now Lindsey is TIED in the polls with his Black Democratic challenger for US Senate, Jaime Harrison. In SOUTH CAROLINA.another_richard said:
One of the odder things is how the DC Republicans have gone along with Trump.rcs1000 said:I think Biden will be an appalling President. But Trump is a threat to the US Constitution and to democracy.
I'd rather have someone I disagreed with on every substantive issue who respected the ballot box than a leader who I agreed with on everything who did not.
Democracies work because you can throw out people who perform poorly.
I am remember when Lindsey Graham was regularly denounced as a RINO yet he has morphed into a Trump cheerleader.0 -
"...an excessive belief in their own abilities and/or a sense of self-entitlement"another_richard said:
I disagree.kinabalu said:
Not the most insightful post you've ever done. Trump has been utterly toxic on several levels.Pagan2 said:
I doubt it, I think personally what the 4 years of Trump has shown is it no longer matters that much who is us president.eristdoof said:
The whole world outside of the US and Russia will go into meltdown.Ave_it said:
It's ok I don't bother with betting!Pagan2 said:
I wouldn't advise betting on my hunches mind I am basing it on I talk to a fair number of american friends over the course of a week and last time I thought based on that trump would win. This time he doesn't seem to have lost any that previously supported him and picked up a couple of pro hilary people. Its not a scientific sample by any means nor even big enough to deduce from statisticallyAve_it said:
But this site will go into meltdown on 3/4 Nov if Trump does win!
Not about Trump but your suggestion that because this year's 18 year olds are missing out on the life experience of exams they deserve better grades.
Without the exams they will be softer and with better grades than they have earned they will have an excessive belief in their own abilities and/or a sense of self-entitlement.
Both are dangerous and especially so in the increasingly difficult world that generation will face.
Sounds like most private school kids to me!0 -
I do hope the ONS are going to prepare stats as to how many of those who quarantine on return from France actually get the virus.Jonathan said:This government is really pushing the boundaries of incompetence.
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Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.0 -
One of my Greek colleagues spouse is in the Greek Coastguard. Tensions have been building for weeks it seems.SandyRentool said:Looks like Greece and Turkey are shaping up for a bit of a war.
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Run for the UK - they have until Sunday. Euro tunnel already complaining it will be chaos.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
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My Aunt is on “le shuttle” as we speak on the way to France. Very amusing.0
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Some certainly.Gallowgate said:“I don’t really like Trump but...” is the new calling card of those who don’t really care about anything other than upsetting “lefties” and “remoaners”.
They would love Trump to win.
However some others do want Trump to lose but if he did win the 'wailing and rending of garments' would be a silver lining.
As in most things there are many shades of grey between the extremes.0 -
If I were a US citizen, I would certainly vote for Biden for that reason alone. As I'm not, I have to confess I really don't mind who wins. There's a naughty part of me that will be very amused if Trump does it again.CorrectHorseBattery said:I think at worst Biden makes very little change but at least he'll look and talk like an actual man rather than a fat baby
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To do that they'd have to know how many of those who return from France actually quarantine. Which of course they have no way of knowing.rottenborough said:
I do hope the ONS are going to prepare stats as to how many of those who quarantine on return from France actually get the virus.Jonathan said:This government is really pushing the boundaries of incompetence.
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BBC says Saturday 4am?rottenborough said:
Run for the UK - they have until Sunday. Euro tunnel already complaining it will be chaos.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.0 -
1499 today. Highest for 3 months.Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/0 -
Hair today, gone tomorrow,Tim_B said:
Reminds me of a song -Benpointer said:Apols for re-posting but this great photo seems to have dropped off the header:
Trump's clearly got the wind up
As I walk along the Bois de Boulogne
With an independent hair0 -
People complaining about getting caught in a quarantine, ours or one in the place they are visiting, has only themselves to blame.dixiedean said:Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.
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Culture war, baby.Alistair said:The link some people have between Trump and Brexit is fascinating. It is almost as if they fear that if Trump is defeated then Brexit will be cancelled.
Trump being tonked would be the first step towards Greta Thunberg's eco trainers stamping on a somewhat flushed human face forever.3 -
SSSSH you are not allowed to say that on here (last sentence)!Luckyguy1983 said:
If I were a US citizen, I would certainly vote for Biden for that reason alone. As I'm not, I have to confess I really don't mind who wins. There's a naughty part of me that will be very amused if Trump does it again.CorrectHorseBattery said:I think at worst Biden makes very little change but at least he'll look and talk like an actual man rather than a fat baby
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That and the fact that lots of people have Covid without having any symptoms or having such minor symptoms they continue as normal. These days, these people are much more likely to be tested than they were in the spring. Hence a ‘rise’ in cases coupled with an attendant fall in hospitalisations. For most people, Covid is a whole lot of nowt.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.0 -
Look at New York and New Jersey deaths. Hardly any. They are at the same stage as Western Europe.dixiedean said:
1499 today. Highest for 3 months.Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/0 -
Where did you see that? Worldometer is currently showing 918 for the UStoday ... but sadly, there's plenty of time for that to go well over 1000 again.dixiedean said:
1499 today. Highest for 3 months.Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/0 -
Bring it on!Theuniondivvie said:
Culture war, baby.Alistair said:The link some people have between Trump and Brexit is fascinating. It is almost as if they fear that if Trump is defeated then Brexit will be cancelled.
Trump being tonked would be the first step towards Greta Thunberg's eco trainers stamping on a somewhat flushed human face forever.1 -
Do the US apply a 28 day limit...?Benpointer said:
Where did you see that? Worldometer is currently showing 918 for the UStoday ... but sadly, there's plenty of time for that to go well over 1000 again.dixiedean said:
1499 today. Highest for 3 months.Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/0 -
Especially if they go into politicsBenpointer said:
"...an excessive belief in their own abilities and/or a sense of self-entitlement"another_richard said:
I disagree.kinabalu said:
Not the most insightful post you've ever done. Trump has been utterly toxic on several levels.Pagan2 said:
I doubt it, I think personally what the 4 years of Trump has shown is it no longer matters that much who is us president.eristdoof said:
The whole world outside of the US and Russia will go into meltdown.Ave_it said:
It's ok I don't bother with betting!Pagan2 said:
I wouldn't advise betting on my hunches mind I am basing it on I talk to a fair number of american friends over the course of a week and last time I thought based on that trump would win. This time he doesn't seem to have lost any that previously supported him and picked up a couple of pro hilary people. Its not a scientific sample by any means nor even big enough to deduce from statisticallyAve_it said:
But this site will go into meltdown on 3/4 Nov if Trump does win!
Not about Trump but your suggestion that because this year's 18 year olds are missing out on the life experience of exams they deserve better grades.
Without the exams they will be softer and with better grades than they have earned they will have an excessive belief in their own abilities and/or a sense of self-entitlement.
Both are dangerous and especially so in the increasingly difficult world that generation will face.
Sounds like most private school kids to me! 0 -
4.00am Saturday as far as I am awarealex_ said:
BBC says Saturday 4am?rottenborough said:
Run for the UK - they have until Sunday. Euro tunnel already complaining it will be chaos.Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
However, HMG has been warning for weeks about foreign travel including France so I cannot see how anyone can complain.
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Indeed. Presumably they didn't go without travel insurance.glw said:
People complaining about getting caught in a quarantine, ours or one in the place they are visiting, has only themselves to blame.dixiedean said:Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.
So they were obviously aware that travel involves some form of risk. The idea that quarantine is an unforeseeable event in light of the only bloody topic of conversation for 5 months is for the birds.1 -
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Because I hope Biden wins, I've just been informed I'm actually a neoliberal Blairite scum and I should
they're saying fuck off and join the Tories?0 -
Welcome!CorrectHorseBattery said:Because I hope Biden wins, I've just been informed I'm actually a neoliberal Blairite scum and I should
they're saying fuck off and join the Tories?0 -
I suspect its being done to stop any more going to those countries rather than about those already there.rottenborough said:
I do hope the ONS are going to prepare stats as to how many of those who quarantine on return from France actually get the virus.Jonathan said:This government is really pushing the boundaries of incompetence.
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a parting of the ways...Nigelb said:
Hair today, gone tomorrow,Tim_B said:
Reminds me of a song -Benpointer said:Apols for re-posting but this great photo seems to have dropped off the header:
Trump's clearly got the wind up
As I walk along the Bois de Boulogne
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Just seen an FB post from a friend in the States. They have been given a "Covid trial injection of either vaccine or placebo....I spiked a 100.9 fever...at 48 hours I'm back to normal..."Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
What?!0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/13/coronavirus-trump-schools-us-deaths-covidBenpointer said:
Where did you see that? Worldometer is currently showing 918 for the UStoday ... but sadly, there's plenty of time for that to go well over 1000 again.dixiedean said:
1499 today. Highest for 3 months.Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/0 -
Wait, so it’s their fault for going to France even though it was perfectly legal to do so?dixiedean said:
Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.0 -
Does them a favour. Next academic year in HE will be chaos with this government in charge of the virus response.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Who knows when you'll be allowed near a lecture theatre or sent home to quarantine or be stuck in the halls of residence for three months.1 -
See back in early 2016 the idea that Trump winning would be a great laugh was how things got rolling on social media. Even places now as infamous as Reddit's banned /r/The_Donald subreddit were mainly in it for the laughs and memes. That even held through the primaries, nomination and up to the election. His "supporters" knew full well that Trump was an idiot unfit to hold any office, never mind the Presidency. But Trump did win, and the consequences have been disastrous because inevitably a crisis did arise and he has completey screwed-up. Sadly many of the people who thought it would be a laugh became true-believers and now forgive Trump doing all the same sort of things that they criticised Obama, Bush, and Clinton for.Luckyguy1983 said:
If I were a US citizen, I would certainly vote for Biden for that reason alone. As I'm not, I have to confess I really don't mind who wins. There's a naughty part of me that will be very amused if Trump does it again.CorrectHorseBattery said:I think at worst Biden makes very little change but at least he'll look and talk like an actual man rather than a fat baby
A second term would be a hoot in a high-budget HBO drama, a second term in the real world is simply too dangerous to countenance. I do not want to find out what Trump would do if God forbid it another "9/11" occured or something of that ilk.4 -
The Moderna vaccine had an alarmingly high severe side effect rate with the largest dose. Your friend may have got that.TOPPING said:
Just seen an FB post from a friend in the States. They have been given a "Covid trial injection of either vaccine or placebo....I spiked a 100.9 fever...at 48 hours I'm back to normal..."Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
What?!0 -
I was puzzled about the 28 day limit. Clearly, it makes no sense to include deaths from unrelated causes of those who tested positive at some stage in the past... but doesn't it often take a lot longer than 28 days from a positive test for someone to succumb to covid?alex_ said:
Do the US apply a 28 day limit...?Benpointer said:
Where did you see that? Worldometer is currently showing 918 for the UStoday ... but sadly, there's plenty of time for that to go well over 1000 again.dixiedean said:
1499 today. Highest for 3 months.Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
For example, I watched this last night. Highly recommended, though it somewhat dented my Covid-bullishness.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ljnb/surviving-the-virus-my-brother-me0 -
How long before anyone knows if it works?MaxPB said:
The Moderna vaccine had an alarmingly high severe side effect rate with the largest dose. Your friend may have got that.TOPPING said:
Just seen an FB post from a friend in the States. They have been given a "Covid trial injection of either vaccine or placebo....I spiked a 100.9 fever...at 48 hours I'm back to normal..."Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
What?!0 -
Where do you stand on this scale?another_richard said:
Some certainly.Gallowgate said:“I don’t really like Trump but...” is the new calling card of those who don’t really care about anything other than upsetting “lefties” and “remoaners”.
They would love Trump to win.
However some others do want Trump to lose but if he did win the 'wailing and rending of garments' would be a silver lining.
As in most things there are many shades of grey between the extremes.0 -
Who do they want to win?CorrectHorseBattery said:Because I hope Biden wins, I've just been informed I'm actually a neoliberal Blairite scum and I should
they're saying fuck off and join the Tories?0 -
Can anyone explain the logic of decisions that now come out of this government?CorrectHorseBattery said:
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Bernie/Corbyn purists who would rather lose than compromise would be my guess.Benpointer said:
Who do they want to win?CorrectHorseBattery said:Because I hope Biden wins, I've just been informed I'm actually a neoliberal Blairite scum and I should
they're saying fuck off and join the Tories?0 -
No. But it ought to have been part of their risk assessment. "Wondering what they are supposed to do now" should have been part of the thinking before leaving.Anabobazina said:
Wait, so it’s their fault for going to France even though it was perfectly legal to do so?dixiedean said:
Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.
It's perfectly legal to jump out of a plane. However I have little sympathy for those who don't use a parachute.1 -
TrumptonLuckyguy1983 said:
If I were a US citizen, I would certainly vote for Biden for that reason alone. As I'm not, I have to confess I really don't mind who wins. There's a naughty part of me that will be very amused if Trump does it again.CorrectHorseBattery said:I think at worst Biden makes very little change but at least he'll look and talk like an actual man rather than a fat baby
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HMG have been warning for weeks about foreign travel including France and that quarantine could be imposed at anytimeAnabobazina said:
Wait, so it’s their fault for going to France even though it was perfectly legal to do so?dixiedean said:
Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?Anabobazina said:
Indeed. Utterly ridiculous and there are now presumably hundreds of thousands of British holidaymakers in France wondering WTF they are supposed to do now.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.
Anyone travelling abroad took the risk and they are responsible for their own actions0 -
Does the government want to move the news agenda on from exam results?rottenborough said:
Can anyone explain the logic of decisions that now come out of this government?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Does the government think that moving the news agenda on makes a problem go away?0 -
Bad news about exam results.rottenborough said:
Can anyone explain the logic of decisions that now come out of this government?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the logic.0 -
What for daring to comply with the law?glw said:
People complaining about getting caught in a quarantine, ours or one in the place they are visiting, has only themselves to blame.dixiedean said:Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.1 -
It brings it in line with the rest of the UKBenpointer said:
I was puzzled about the 28 day limit. Clearly, it makes no sense to include deaths from unrelated causes of those who tested positive at some stage in the past... but doesn't it often take a lot longer than 28 days from a positive test for someone to succumb to covid?alex_ said:
Do the US apply a 28 day limit...?Benpointer said:
Where did you see that? Worldometer is currently showing 918 for the UStoday ... but sadly, there's plenty of time for that to go well over 1000 again.dixiedean said:
1499 today. Highest for 3 months.Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
For example, I watched this last night. Highly recommended, though it somewhat dented my Covid-bullishness.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ljnb/surviving-the-virus-my-brother-me0 -
If that was really the case, then it would have been totally logical to set a cut off for some time in the middle of next week, avoiding making a problem, if it exists, much worse as people cram onto every available flight, train or ferry.another_richard said:
I suspect its being done to stop any more going to those countries rather than about those already there.rottenborough said:
I do hope the ONS are going to prepare stats as to how many of those who quarantine on return from France actually get the virus.Jonathan said:This government is really pushing the boundaries of incompetence.
I suspect the reality is that the risks from many French holiday makers is very low. People visiting villas in family groups spend most of their time pretty isolated anyway. Campsites might be more of an issue I suppose.
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https://twitter.com/JessieJoeJacobs/status/1293978436919267329
Keir visits Darlington.
Target seat 40, majority 3294. 3.79% swing required.
Yet another in the top 50.0 -
So, I've not got hard cash on the line or an array of spreadsheets, but looked over the numerology for WH20 the other day and my simplistic take is thus.
So, on Electoral college Biden needs to swing 38 votes from 2016. If we consider MO & NV in the mix as Dem ECV defences, he needs to take 54 swing state votes.
Swing states are not forming a continuum in the polling, so there are two blocks, those where Biden has a 5-8 point lead, and then some genuine toss ups.
Biden leaning: NE2 (1, +8), MI (16, +7), WI (10, +7), PA (20, +6), FL (29, +5), MO (10, +5), AZ (11, +4), NV (6, +4) (ECVs, Biden lead)
So, 103 available from the Biden leaning states, and the ordered polling averages suggest he currently has a 5-6% cushion over Trump on the state which would deliver his ECV majority, with a few different ways of cutting out his majority from these.
Toss ups: NC (15, +1), OH (18, +1), ME 2 (1, -), GA (16, -1), TX (36, -1), IA (6, -1)
I think the, generally cautious, working assumption on PB is that Trump will sweep these, even where Biden edges the polling now. As such, these are best seen as wildcards, states where Bidens surprise can sooth any troubles and ease any troubles and sooth the way on the main scorecard, or else can waymark a coming landslide.
If Biden loses all: ECV= 216-322, if wins all Biden leaning: 319-219, If wins all: 411-127.
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Someone does. Can't think who that might be.Stuartinromford said:
Does the government want to move the news agenda on from exam results?rottenborough said:
Can anyone explain the logic of decisions that now come out of this government?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Does the government think that moving the news agenda on makes a problem go away?0 -
A beauty salon dead cat.dixiedean said:
Bad news about exam results.rottenborough said:
Can anyone explain the logic of decisions that now come out of this government?CorrectHorseBattery said:
That's the logic.0 -
Doesn’t sound like the placebo...TOPPING said:
Just seen an FB post from a friend in the States. They have been given a "Covid trial injection of either vaccine or placebo....I spiked a 100.9 fever...at 48 hours I'm back to normal..."Benpointer said:
Yet still a 1000 deaths per day on average in the US.rcs1000 said:
That's right. There's massively more testing, and therefore instead of us seeing 20% of the cases, we're seeing 75% of them. And we're also seeing them earlier. And because people are following social distancing behaviour, the viral loads people are recieving are typically lower, and therefore infections less severe.NerysHughes said:
Watch Ivor Cummins short video casedemic to see what is really happening in Europe. The number of positive cases is irrelevant . It’s hospital admissions,ICU and deaths that are the most important thing. Like here cases may be going up in Europe but hospitals are empty and deaths are a tiny fraction of what they were.rottenborough said:
Completely over reaction. Again.CorrectHorseBattery said:
The trouble is this administration seems increasingly to be trying to operate a zero cases policy which will involve the total cratering of our economy and way of life.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
What?!
Fever is not an entirely unusual response to vaccines - after all they are intended to provoke an immune response - but the RNA vaccines do appear to have a higher incidence of that side effect than most.0 -
It has been blindingly obvious for months now that when travel overseas was allowed again that you might get caught in a quarantine both going out and coming back. It's not like the virus has been elminated and the world is back to the way it was before the virus emerged. Anyone who has not factored such things into their plans is an idiot.Anabobazina said:
What for daring to comply with the law?glw said:
People complaining about getting caught in a quarantine, ours or one in the place they are visiting, has only themselves to blame.dixiedean said:Err. Perhaps they ought to have given it a modicum of thought before going?
Boris Saves Summer!!! Get your holiday bargains!!!
What will happen if I need to quarantine?
This was always a distinct possibility.0 -
For those on holiday in France wanting to get back before the quarantine kicks in, I believe there are some lads on the coast near Calais who can sort you out with a boat.3
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I predicted this this morning and it will be big news tomorrowrottenborough said:
Someone does. Can't think who that might be.Stuartinromford said:
Does the government want to move the news agenda on from exam results?rottenborough said:
Can anyone explain the logic of decisions that now come out of this government?CorrectHorseBattery said:
Does the government think that moving the news agenda on makes a problem go away?
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You are wasting your breath on crank trumptons like Lucky and Ave It. This “it’s so funny” skit is ludicrously transparent.glw said:
See back in early 2016 the idea that Trump winning would be a great laugh was how things got rolling on social media. Even places now as infamous as Reddit's banned /r/The_Donald subreddit were mainly in it for the laughs and memes. That even held through the primaries, nomination and up to the election. His "supporters" knew full well that Trump was an idiot unfit to hold any office, never mind the Presidency. But Trump did win, and the consequences have been disastrous because inevitably a crisis did arise and he has completey screwed-up. Sadly many of the people who thought it would be a laugh became true-believers and now forgive Trump doing all the same sort of things that they criticised Obama, Bush, and Clinton for.Luckyguy1983 said:
If I were a US citizen, I would certainly vote for Biden for that reason alone. As I'm not, I have to confess I really don't mind who wins. There's a naughty part of me that will be very amused if Trump does it again.CorrectHorseBattery said:I think at worst Biden makes very little change but at least he'll look and talk like an actual man rather than a fat baby
A second term would be a hoot in a high-budget HBO drama, a second term in the real world is simply too dangerous to countenance. I do not want to find out what Trump would do if God forbid it another "9/11" occured or something of that ilk.
They want Trump to win.1 -
Great. Thanks. useful summary.Pro_Rata said:So, I've not got hard cash on the line or an array of spreadsheets, but looked over the numerology for WH20 the other day and my simplistic take is thus.
So, on Electoral college Biden needs to swing 38 votes from 2016. If we consider MO & NV in the mix as Dem ECV defences, he needs to take 54 swing state votes.
Swing states are not forming a continuum in the polling, so there are two blocks, those where Biden has a 5-8 point lead, and then some genuine toss ups.
Biden leaning: NE2 (1, +8), MI (16, +7), WI (10, +7), PA (20, +6), FL (29, +5), MO (10, +5), AZ (11, +4), NV (6, +4) (ECVs, Biden lead)
So, 103 available from the Biden leaning states, and the ordered polling averages suggest he currently has a 5-6% cushion over Trump on the state which would deliver his ECV majority, with a few different ways of cutting out his majority from these.
Toss ups: NC (15, +1), OH (18, +1), ME 2 (1, -), GA (16, -1), TX (36, -1), IA (6, -1)
I think the, generally cautious, working assumption on PB is that Trump will sweep these, even where Biden edges the polling now. As such, these are best seen as wildcards, states where Bidens surprise can sooth any troubles and ease any troubles and sooth the way on the main scorecard, or else can waymark a coming landslide.
If Biden loses all: ECV= 216-322, if wins all Biden leaning: 319-219, If wins all: 411-127.
Not sure PB assumption is Biden sweeping TX. Maybe that's not what you meant?0 -
I very much applaud the idea that where Unionism has been going wrong is not displaying enough Union flags.
https://twitter.com/markdiffley1/status/1294015753969172480?s=200
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