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To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.2 -
To suggest two reasons, because a cheap anti-malarial that comes in a variety of generic forms is not going to pay the bills, and Trump. Not saying this is true, and that it's a gigantic web of malign intent, but we should have had a couple of big trials with zinc by now.kle4 said:
Why do you think the medical establishment would do such a thing? Who are they? And given this is the most prominent news story of the last 2 decades, why do think they could get away with falsely discrediting something like that?contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
All those who think a vaccine is going to magically free us from bondage are going to be in for a massive shock.
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NW isn't. Greater Manchester and some of East Lancs is.rottenborough said:https://lockdownsceptics.org/
Toby kicks back against Hancock. Why is NW shutting down when London has higher % testing positive on ONS figures?
The ignorance of geography is quite astonishing from someone who rails against the Metropolitan elite.0 -
I've found that site and excellent source. A sort of Who's Who of total bullshit artists.rottenborough said:https://lockdownsceptics.org/
Toby kicks back against Hancock. Why is NW shutting down when London has higher % testing positive on ONS figures?0 -
Better still sunlight. Imagine if it had been tested today? You would probably get some of the greatest test results anyone has ever delivered.Malmesbury said:
The secret is that it only works if you mix it 50/50 with bleach before injecting it.MaxPB said:
Lol you're a Hydroxychloroquine conspiracy theorist.contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
All those who think a vaccine is going to magically free us from bondage are going to be in for a massive shock.0 -
Yes, it's also called conducting randomised clinical trials, and presenting the results.contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
It is, for treating coronavirus, utterly useless.2 -
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Locking idiots like you up until we have a vaccine.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
Whilst you're locked you'll be fed only pizzas with pineapples on them and hydroxychloroquine.1 -
Startling. They do need to get regular or semi regulations going. Even with an incoming second wave people can be seen to in some amount.NerysHughes said:There are currently 854 hospitals in England. As at the 30th July there are 830 Covid inpatients. That is less than 1 per hospital.
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And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!0 -
Perhaps they are; however, most of us realise that vaccines don't work by magic.contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
All those who think a vaccine is going to magically free us from bondage are going to be in for a massive shock.
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Just dipped in briefly.
My, my, there are a fair few pandemic flat-earthers here this afternoon.
For the record some very basic facts, yes there is a pandemic, many thousands of people have already died from Covid-19 and the government has prevented many thousands of additional deaths by locking down.4 -
No, that's unlikely without the kind of concerted international effort for smallpox (and also assumes that there's no mutation that gets around the vaccine and - unless eradication was done quickly - that vaccination would provide long term immunity). However, we don't take any precautions (other than vaccination programs) for a whole load of serious illnesses that are by no means eradicated, not even eradicated in this country. Eradication is not necessary to get back to normal.Andy_JS said:
A vaccine isn't going to eradicate the virus.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.0 -
Why not ? Vaccines have eradicated plenty of other viruses. Also it's a particular strain that doesn't mutate much if at all. The difficulty with flu vaccines is there are loads of strains of it about !Andy_JS said:
A vaccine isn't going to eradicate the virus.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
There's only 1 Sars-cov-2 virus doing the rounds in the coronavirus family reaping havoc right now. And loads from academia and big pharma are working on defeating it.0 -
A vaccine.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.
And it always was.
If you can't see that, I advise a trip to Barnard Castle is in order.0 -
Vaccine widely available within 12 months, hopefully 6. At that point remaining controls should be phased out over a 3-6 month or so period.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.1 -
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?0 -
ahemDavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copyright, please, Mr L.0 -
If we are lucky it can be eradicated, but either way it doesn't mean a vaccine won't be a game-changer. Why do they vaccinate you for other non-eradicated diseases otherwise?Pulpstar said:
Why not ? Vaccines have eradicated plenty of other viruses. Also it's a particular strain that doesn't mutate much if at all. The difficulty with flu vaccines is there are loads of strains of it about !Andy_JS said:
A vaccine isn't going to eradicate the virus.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
There's only 1 Sars-cov-2 virus doing the rounds in the coronavirus family reaping havoc right now. And loads from academia and big pharma are working on defeating it.0 -
Maybe. Quote aside from noone else being that powerful I do think without bring able to identify the purpose of an agenda which could unify so many who disagree on so much, it's a bit much to accept this unclear agenda exists.DavidL said:
Well obviously they are all lizards who know not to let a crisis go to waste.kle4 said:
I'm incredibly confused as to what nefarious agenda you think is at work. What do you think is being sought and why have nearly all governments in the world shown remarkable cooperation in pushing that agenda?houndtang said:
When are people going to wake up ffs?? I cannot believe how people are swallowing this bullshit:NerysHughes said:
The hospital my wife works at remains empty. They have not had a Covid case for weeks. All staff still get free food in the canteen. Staff regulalrly outnumber patients on wards. All staff are on minimum contract hours and are being requested to take holidays. She used to come home from work tired, now she comes in like she has been for a stroll in a park. She is bored out of her mindkle4 said:
Certainly the medical people I've been involved with since lockdown have included several almost angry at the idea a non Covid issue should come up, I'd not be surprised if the protect the nhs policy was a bit too effective.rottenborough said:
I'm increasingly worried where this is all heading as we seem to be going towards the position that the NHS must be protected from dealing with more than a handful of cases at all costs including finally destroying our economy, sending 1000s to an early death because the NHS is shut for anything else and removing ancient rights of liberty.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, it is a worry. We've put men who hitherto, by the very nature of their professions, were somewhat obscure, introverted, socially awkward and monomaniacal into positions of immense and unchallenged power. We can all see the psychological dangers of such a collision. Not a healthy mix.contrarian said:Chris Whitty is man with enormous power over our lives, unscrutised, unaccountable and it seems, not replaceable. I'm not even sure how qualified he is to make these decisions given he is a medic and not and epidemiologist. He even hinted today he wants to constrain the people pf Britain further
This cannot be right. It cannot.
This isn;t medicine. It is tyranny.
Maybe the heat is getting to me and I am over reacting, but this is getting worrying.
Life has to go on even during pandemics, we cannot constantly be stopping things for fear of capacity issues.
And to read as recommended earlier in lockdown, The Naked Sun, about a world with no physical contact.
Masks on public transport
Masks in shops
Masks in places of worship
Next - masks in the office, school, street, park, your own home
And 90 odd % of people will still do it.
More lockdowns. The physical, mental, financial and spiritual health of a nation steadily being sapped day by day.
Despite the fact that as you say the NHS is twiddling its useless thumbs.
I never believed in conspiracy theories of any kind before this. But this has gone beyond incompetence now. There has to be an agenda at work. And the compliant masses just sleepwalk straight into it. Just unbelievably depressed about the future of this country and the world.0 -
+1contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.0 -
Given DavidL's legal background, my thought pattern was - 'Oh, didn't realise I'd been getting that word wrong all this time'...TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?1 -
It was a patent error, but I'm sure it was not by design.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?3 -
Well. What do you mean? If "freedom, liberty and prosperity" mean the status quo pre-March, then no I can't see it.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.
The world has changed. Railing against it doesn't really help.0 -
Utter villain and hard right maniac.contrarian said:
I think he's involved with free schools too.kinabalu said:
Protecting our free speech AND at the same time fighting tooth & nail against lockdown.rottenborough said:https://lockdownsceptics.org/
Toby kicks back against Hancock. Why is NW shutting down when London has higher % testing positive on ONS figures?
This man - Toby Young - is something else.
Almost - but not quite - as bad as the ghastly Claus.0 -
It's hot. Damned hot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?
Sigh.0 -
To be honest you are one who sounds like the voice crying in the wilderness.contrarian said:
F8ck them, f8ck the people who booked holidays and people who have lost their jobs and expect others, the millions waiting months and years for non covid health treatment, those sickening with mental health issues.Philip_Thompson said:
Makes sense but I feel awful for anyone who had their wedding reception rescheduled for during that period.MaxPB said:Opening of everything delayed. Wow.
The law of 'R' must be obeyed. Chris Whitty must be obeyed. The NHS must not be put under any pressure. Those beds must stay empty
At all costs.
Does anybody, anybody out there still think this insanity is worth it?0 -
Perhaps where you have gone wrong is in adopting an extreme contrarian stance on a site where the large majority of posters have a degree of intelligence?contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.0 -
You're right. It is a trifle on the warm side.DavidL said:
It's hot. Damned hot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?
Sigh.0 -
It had none of David's trademark panache.ydoethur said:
It was a patent error, but I'm sure it was not by design.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?1 -
"I am not a number, I am a free man!"contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.2 -
I'm looking forwards to lockdown sceptics moving on to pushing a bunch of anti-vaxxer bollocks when it looks like we have a working vaccine in a few months.4
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True, but it offered the opportunity for a topical conversation which is the hallmark of good punning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It had none of David's trademark panache.ydoethur said:
It was a patent error, but I'm sure it was not by design.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?1 -
It's (or rather the US government has) paid some of the bills at, of all places, Kodak:Luckyguy1983 said:
To suggest two reasons, because a cheap anti-malarial that comes in a variety of generic forms is not going to pay the bills, and Trump. Not saying this is true, and that it's a gigantic web of malign intent, but we should have had a couple of big trials with zinc by now.kle4 said:
Why do you think the medical establishment would do such a thing? Who are they? And given this is the most prominent news story of the last 2 decades, why do think they could get away with falsely discrediting something like that?contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
All those who think a vaccine is going to magically free us from bondage are going to be in for a massive shock.
https://slate.com/business/2020/07/kodaks-strange-move-into-pharmaceuticals.html0 -
We have wasted the summer, hospitals have been empty for months. They could have done all the backlogged operations yet they have just kept them empty. It is just awful.kle4 said:
Startling. They do need to get regular or semi regulations going. Even with an incoming second wave people can be seen to in some amount.NerysHughes said:There are currently 854 hospitals in England. As at the 30th July there are 830 Covid inpatients. That is less than 1 per hospital.
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I think @contrarian's voice is extremely important. We don't of course know to what extent he is right but without such voices then the government really does get a free pass.
And does no one else think it is slightly rich for the team which has presided, it appears, over the highest excess death rate in Europe to be praised so much for shouting the odds about what we do next?1 -
Firstly - not despairing.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.
Secondly, treatments are improving, knowledge is improving, vaccines are around the corner, and we have the whole world to learn from. Humanity will stumble forward as always.0 -
The free schools he has been involved with are a success - measured in terms of performance of children from disadvantaged backgrounds, and in getting the middle class to use state schools instead of private.kinabalu said:
Utter villain and hard right maniac.contrarian said:
I think he's involved with free schools too.kinabalu said:
Protecting our free speech AND at the same time fighting tooth & nail against lockdown.rottenborough said:https://lockdownsceptics.org/
Toby kicks back against Hancock. Why is NW shutting down when London has higher % testing positive on ONS figures?
This man - Toby Young - is something else.
Almost - but not quite - as bad as the ghastly Claus.0 -
Presumably you avoided the phrases "makes my blood boil", "Israeli lobby", "rogue state of Israel" and "Her Majesty's masters in Washington".TOPPING said:
LOL exactly.Luckyguy1983 said:
I support Roger Waters' freedom of speech, but you don't *automatically* get a letter into The Times, do you? I should imagine they receive somewhat more letters than they publish.isam said:
It is EXTREMELY difficult to get them published even when you have managed to be pithy, to the point, acute, erudite and relevant.
That said, I have managed to do this a few times successfully but the hit rate is very, very low.0 -
Come to the Vale of Glamorgan, it's trying hard to rain here.ydoethur said:
You're right. It is a trifle on the warm side.DavidL said:
It's hot. Damned hot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?
Sigh.0 -
They are all too busy installing video cams so that Hancock's new dream of an NHS where no doctor actually meets a patient can be realised.kle4 said:
Startling. They do need to get regular or semi regulations going. Even with an incoming second wave people can be seen to in some amount.NerysHughes said:There are currently 854 hospitals in England. As at the 30th July there are 830 Covid inpatients. That is less than 1 per hospital.
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I suggest the temporary hire of a freelance copywriter.ydoethur said:
It was a patent error, but I'm sure it was not by design.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?
When your trade is words, you have to come up to the mark...0 -
Ruth Davidson is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
That looks like such a dodgy fucking deal. I'd be interested if a major news outlet investigating the shareholders of Kodak and their links to the Trump family. The whole thing completely stinks.Nigelb said:
It's (or rather the US government has) paid some of the bills at, of all places, Kodak:Luckyguy1983 said:
To suggest two reasons, because a cheap anti-malarial that comes in a variety of generic forms is not going to pay the bills, and Trump. Not saying this is true, and that it's a gigantic web of malign intent, but we should have had a couple of big trials with zinc by now.kle4 said:
Why do you think the medical establishment would do such a thing? Who are they? And given this is the most prominent news story of the last 2 decades, why do think they could get away with falsely discrediting something like that?contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
All those who think a vaccine is going to magically free us from bondage are going to be in for a massive shock.
https://slate.com/business/2020/07/kodaks-strange-move-into-pharmaceuticals.html0 -
You need a copywriter.DavidL said:
It's hot. Damned hot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?
Sigh.
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In addition, if the mRNA vaccines prove effective as a class, we have a potential rapid reaction tool for future pandemic viruses.Selebian said:
No, that's unlikely without the kind of concerted international effort for smallpox (and also assumes that there's no mutation that gets around the vaccine and - unless eradication was done quickly - that vaccination would provide long term immunity). However, we don't take any precautions (other than vaccination programs) for a whole load of serious illnesses that are by no means eradicated, not even eradicated in this country. Eradication is not necessary to get back to normal.Andy_JS said:
A vaccine isn't going to eradicate the virus.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.2 -
And many of the trials finding it to be useless have been sponsored by companies offering alternatives. There's enough greasy dodgy dealings to go around.Nigelb said:
It's (or rather the US government has) paid some of the bills at, of all places, Kodak:Luckyguy1983 said:
To suggest two reasons, because a cheap anti-malarial that comes in a variety of generic forms is not going to pay the bills, and Trump. Not saying this is true, and that it's a gigantic web of malign intent, but we should have had a couple of big trials with zinc by now.kle4 said:
Why do you think the medical establishment would do such a thing? Who are they? And given this is the most prominent news story of the last 2 decades, why do think they could get away with falsely discrediting something like that?contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
All those who think a vaccine is going to magically free us from bondage are going to be in for a massive shock.
https://slate.com/business/2020/07/kodaks-strange-move-into-pharmaceuticals.html
China is the world's top zinc producer. Perhaps out of self-interest they should do a zinc/hydroxychloroquin trial.0 -
So, Conservative Remainers and Labour Leavers (most of whom have indeed left the Labour Party).Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
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"More than 2.7m people in northern England have woken to fresh lockdown restrictions despite living in neighbourhoods which have had fewer than four confirmed cases in the last 14 days, Telegraph analysis has revealed."
Telegraph0 -
Sadly, I fear he'll be branded by this for some time.ydoethur said:
True, but it offered the opportunity for a topical conversation which is the hallmark of good punning.Luckyguy1983 said:
It had none of David's trademark panache.ydoethur said:
It was a patent error, but I'm sure it was not by design.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?1 -
Is the Telegraph looking at the same data as HMG?rottenborough said:"More than 2.7m people in northern England have woken to fresh lockdown restrictions despite living in neighbourhoods which have had fewer than four confirmed cases in the last 14 days, Telegraph analysis has revealed."
Telegraph0 -
So is Philip Hammond, which surprises me somewhat. Ken Clarke probably deserves his insofar as anyone 'deserves' a peerage. Mr Johnson is naked familial preferment.williamglenn said:
Ruth Davidson is on it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Frank Field and Ian Austin are a pointed slap in the face to Corbyn.
Interesting that Philip May has been knighted. Unusual way of showing appreciation to a former PM - knighting her husband? I know Denis was made a baronet but only at the same time as Thatcher was made a peer. Why not knight Theresa May directly with a DBE or something?0 -
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BalancedMexicanpete said:
So, Conservative Remainers and Labour Leavers (most of whom have indeed left the Labour Party).Big_G_NorthWales said:1 -
I tried to but it's very difficult to make any kind of point without invoking the real power behind the global government.williamglenn said:
Presumably you avoided the phrases "makes my blood boil", "Israeli lobby", "rogue state of Israel" and "Her Majesty's masters in Washington".TOPPING said:
LOL exactly.Luckyguy1983 said:
I support Roger Waters' freedom of speech, but you don't *automatically* get a letter into The Times, do you? I should imagine they receive somewhat more letters than they publish.isam said:
It is EXTREMELY difficult to get them published even when you have managed to be pithy, to the point, acute, erudite and relevant.
That said, I have managed to do this a few times successfully but the hit rate is very, very low.0 -
Listening to Boris and Chris Whitty at lunchtime this move is balanced and needed.rottenborough said:"More than 2.7m people in northern England have woken to fresh lockdown restrictions despite living in neighbourhoods which have had fewer than four confirmed cases in the last 14 days, Telegraph analysis has revealed."
Telegraph
Starmer was informed at a privvy council meeting and he agrees with the action.
Futhermore reports coming out of Europe are scary and Sky were predicting whole country lockdowns in Europe0 -
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I think RCS said you must one on crack because you were arguing that the number of cases would go up BECAUSE people were wearing masks. That was and is total rubbish.NerysHughes said:
I did predict that cases would go up with the enforced wearing of face masks in shops etc two weeks ago and I was told I was on crack.FrancisUrquhart said:We have come a long way from masks don't work haven't we.
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Time. Society has survived far worse plagues and will this one, and our governments are not powerful enough to force measures like at present on us indefinitely even if they wanted to.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.
Your questions about a way out are not the issue, it's the conspracist attribution to villainy.0 -
We are free. We're freerer than ever before in modern times. We've left the European Union. Whole point of it.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.0 -
IF the drug worked why would they want to discredit it, given that they gave the green light to the terribly expensive, big Phama pushed treatment called Proning?contrarian said:
its quite clear from what has happened with hydroxowhatsit that if the medical establishment want to discredit a drug, whatever its efficacy , they have the power.rottenborough said:
They could just say there is no evidence the vaccine provides anything other than a few months of immunity, which there wont be when it first comes out. So we need to take the injection and then lock down again next May.contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
All those who think a vaccine is going to magically free us from bondage are going to be in for a massive shock.0 -
Smallpox looks at you sadly.Andy_JS said:
A vaccine isn't going to eradicate the virus.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.0 -
Once again, a vaccine.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.
Smallpox no longers bothers us.
We go around our lives without worrying about polio, unlike our grandparents.
Measles, mumps, and rubella haven't been eradicated, but do not affect our day-to-day lives.
Pertussis isn't an issue these days.
Cholera, tuberculosis, most forms of hepatitis, tetanus, and rabies have minimal impact on our freedom, liberty, or prosperity.
It works. Ask Roald Dahl.0 -
Not on west coast unfortunately , though not as cold as recentlyydoethur said:
You're right. It is a trifle on the warm side.DavidL said:
It's hot. Damned hot.TheScreamingEagles said:
Oh David.DavidL said:
And copywrite? How the hell does he get away with the copywrite? He's worse than the Chinese.MaxPB said:
He's probably breaking a lot of modern slavery rules wrt his elvish workforce. Found some poor race and enslaved them to make toys.Richard_Tyndall said:
I hear he refuses to pay minimum wage or allow time off for Christmas either.Philip_Thompson said:
[Citation Needed]kinabalu said:
Santa is left of centre. I think most accept this.Philip_Thompson said:
Perhaps but I see no evidence that in our universe Santa cares about it.IanB2 said:
Perhaps it means that in a parallel universe somewhere, Santa is giving having a social conscience a higher weighting?Philip_Thompson said:
I've always managed to be on the nice list so far.IanB2 said:
Credit to you for being willing to put out the hand sanitiser in anticipation of exchange for a lump of coal.Philip_Thompson said:
Father Christmas is a good right wing symbol.IanB2 said:
The surprise is that a right winger such as your good self still expects to be receiving free handouts.Philip_Thompson said:
We're going to do that!IanB2 said:
Just remember to leave the hand sanitiser bottle out next to the mince pie and sherry.Quincel said:
Will there be an exception in the regulations for Santa Claus or will he have to leave presents outside for everyone except those in his bubble?Pulpstar said:Has the Gov't started thinking about christmas ? Or more soon the schools reopening ?
He doesn't simply give gifts to simply everyone. He draws up a list and checks it twice, he checks whether you've been naughty or nice. If you're naughty then you get a lump of coal so your own behaviour matters.
What that means for his checking abilities I'm not sure.
If anything I thought the usual controversy is that Santa may consider the children of rich parents to be nicer behaved based on what he leaves them? Santa seems a very right not left wing symbol, there is no evidence of egalitarianism regardless of naughty or nice behaviour from Santa.
He leaves presents based upon naughty/nice behaviour - and arguably based on parental earnings.
Right of centre.
Bastard!
Copywrite? COPYWRITE? COPYWRITE?
Sigh.0 -
I can think of some abuse cases, where the victim must surely have begged for death.noneoftheabove said:
Someone raping 200 people or abusing hundreds of children should be locked up longer than someone who has a one off event that leads to murder imo.kinabalu said:
It is but if the served time for murder doubles or triples but that for attempted murder stays the same, or for horrendous GBH or violent rape, these sort of very grave offences, then this imo throws the scales of justice out. I can think of non murder cases in the past that I considered to be as heinous as murder if not more so.Pulpstar said:
I don't think you need to do this, when someone loses their life - the effect is more final than any other type of crime.kinabalu said:it would cascade down to heavier sentences for all other crimes - to maintain differentials.
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Which particular powers do you think the government will wish to hold on to? And which of these powers do you think will be particular vote winners?contrarian said:
If you think Vallance, Witty and Co are gonna let us off that easy, well, I feel sorry for you.Philip_Thompson said:
Why won't the virus ever ben gone?contrarian said:
The virus will never be gone.RochdalePioneers said:Contrarian is right. If we unlock everything today the virus will be gone tomorrow.
So how will you ever be free?
How will you ever not have to 'take precautions?' or 'save lives' or ditch gimping it up in a mask whenever you go out?
What's your way out?
What's your way back to our liberties and freedoms and prosperity that have always existed whatever befell us?
Because I can;t see one.
Vaccines are literally in Phase III trials already. We just need to manage until a vaccine arrives.
What, and let all the enormous power they have been given by the British state to interfere in the lives of ordinary people unchecked and unscrutinised and backed up by a bullyboy police force, just evaporate? Just like that?
I don;t think it is going to work like that. I really don't.
Or perhaps we should take the government at their word: they are trying to save lives and minimise the damage to the economy. Now, they may not have always made the right calls (incoming flights early on being an example), but the idea that they see this as an opportunity for a power grab, and not as a tragedy is for the birds.0 -
'This too shall pass' is a good thing to remember.Andy_Cooke said:
Once again, a vaccine.contrarian said:To all those mocking me , and there are many, and maybe I deserveit but I repeat
What's your way out? what's your way back to freedom, liberty and prosperity? How do you see the path back to living like free citizens again?
I really can't see it.
Smallpox no longers bothers us.
We go around our lives without worrying about polio, unlike our grandparents.
Measles, mumps, and rubella haven't been eradicated, but do not affect our day-to-day lives.
Pertussis isn't an issue these days.
Cholera, tuberculosis, most forms of hepatitis, tetanus, and rabies have minimal impact on our freedom, liberty, or prosperity.
It works. Ask Roald Dahl.
In the same way that a vaccine for smallpox used cowpox, is there a non lethal coronavirus we could be infected with (mildly) that might confer immunity to Covid-19?0