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kle4 said:

Charles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Charles said:

NickPalmer said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1283475000176017408

Cummings is a complete fascist

Interesting. When I was put on the Treasury Select Committee, a rival to the favoured Labour chair asked for my support, and I said I'd consider it. The Chief Whip, Nick Brown, asked me in and pleaded with me to support the favoured candidate (which I eventually did). It wasn't strictly proper for him to have a view at all, but he certainly didn't threaten expulsion if I didn't do what he said. In fact I don't remember any examples of that threat being made to anyone.

Lewis is a cold warrior of the old school - I'd expect him to be stern on China. But he's also an independent mind, and the Government seems unkeen on those. Ironically, this restores the tradition (hitherto respected by both parties) that no one party has a majority on that committee.

Lewis didn’t just vote for another candidate. He conspired with the opposition and broke ranks

I think you mean he followed the rules and allowed the committee to choose its own chairman rather than being dictated to by the Government.

In an ideal world the Speaker would be calling Johnson to parliament and asking him to explain his unparliamentary behaviour.

According to the BBC he lied to the Chief Whip. A parliamentary party only works as a collaboration. If someone doesn’t play by the rules they can’t be in the party

Oh maybe that's a semi reasonable party management matter. But even if so a lie that arose because of their stupidity in making a power play they then lost. If theyd not tried to force the situation theyd not have been in a situation where a colleague ended up lying, and theyd probably have a chair less likely to be hostile.

Charles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Charles said:

NickPalmer said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1283475000176017408

Cummings is a complete fascist

Interesting. When I was put on the Treasury Select Committee, a rival to the favoured Labour chair asked for my support, and I said I'd consider it. The Chief Whip, Nick Brown, asked me in and pleaded with me to support the favoured candidate (which I eventually did). It wasn't strictly proper for him to have a view at all, but he certainly didn't threaten expulsion if I didn't do what he said. In fact I don't remember any examples of that threat being made to anyone.

Lewis is a cold warrior of the old school - I'd expect him to be stern on China. But he's also an independent mind, and the Government seems unkeen on those. Ironically, this restores the tradition (hitherto respected by both parties) that no one party has a majority on that committee.

Lewis didn’t just vote for another candidate. He conspired with the opposition and broke ranks

I think you mean he followed the rules and allowed the committee to choose its own chairman rather than being dictated to by the Government.

In an ideal world the Speaker would be calling Johnson to parliament and asking him to explain his unparliamentary behaviour.

According to the BBC he lied to the Chief Whip. A parliamentary party only works as a collaboration. If someone doesn’t play by the rules they can’t be in the party

kle4 said:

Nigelb said:

https://twitter.com/xkcdComic/status/1283437923421937666

Singing in church is high risk, that will upset a few who were getting snippy about some other things being opened while churches could not.

rcs1000 said:

Charles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Charles said:

NickPalmer said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1283475000176017408

Cummings is a complete fascist

Interesting. When I was put on the Treasury Select Committee, a rival to the favoured Labour chair asked for my support, and I said I'd consider it. The Chief Whip, Nick Brown, asked me in and pleaded with me to support the favoured candidate (which I eventually did). It wasn't strictly proper for him to have a view at all, but he certainly didn't threaten expulsion if I didn't do what he said. In fact I don't remember any examples of that threat being made to anyone.

Lewis is a cold warrior of the old school - I'd expect him to be stern on China. But he's also an independent mind, and the Government seems unkeen on those. Ironically, this restores the tradition (hitherto respected by both parties) that no one party has a majority on that committee.

Lewis didn’t just vote for another candidate. He conspired with the opposition and broke ranks

I think you mean he followed the rules and allowed the committee to choose its own chairman rather than being dictated to by the Government.

In an ideal world the Speaker would be calling Johnson to parliament and asking him to explain his unparliamentary behaviour.

According to the BBC he lied to the Chief Whip. A parliamentary party only works as a collaboration. If someone doesn’t play by the rules they can’t be in the party

If I had my cynical hat on, I'd say "the government has claimed that Lewis lied to the Conservatives Chief Whip".

Charles said:

kle4 said:

Charles said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Charles said:

NickPalmer said:

bigjohnowls said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/1283475000176017408

Cummings is a complete fascist

Interesting. When I was put on the Treasury Select Committee, a rival to the favoured Labour chair asked for my support, and I said I'd consider it. The Chief Whip, Nick Brown, asked me in and pleaded with me to support the favoured candidate (which I eventually did). It wasn't strictly proper for him to have a view at all, but he certainly didn't threaten expulsion if I didn't do what he said. In fact I don't remember any examples of that threat being made to anyone.

Lewis is a cold warrior of the old school - I'd expect him to be stern on China. But he's also an independent mind, and the Government seems unkeen on those. Ironically, this restores the tradition (hitherto respected by both parties) that no one party has a majority on that committee.

Lewis didn’t just vote for another candidate. He conspired with the opposition and broke ranks

I think you mean he followed the rules and allowed the committee to choose its own chairman rather than being dictated to by the Government.

In an ideal world the Speaker would be calling Johnson to parliament and asking him to explain his unparliamentary behaviour.

According to the BBC he lied to the Chief Whip. A parliamentary party only works as a collaboration. If someone doesn’t play by the rules they can’t be in the party

Oh maybe that's a semi reasonable party management matter. But even if so a lie that arose because of their stupidity in making a power play they then lost. If theyd not tried to force the situation theyd not have been in a situation where a colleague ended up lying, and theyd probably have a chair less likely to be hostile.

True. Grayling is an idiot. I met him a couple of times during the Brexit era and he said some utterly inappropriate things for a cabinet minister to say

Richard_Nabavi said:

Anabobazina said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

MaxPB said:

I also remember way back the Koreans basically said there was a fair element of luck to their initial virus response because they had recently done a practice run based on SARS instead of the Flu as they normally would have done. The Oxford vaccine will be the same bit of luck because they basically just adapted their MERS research to COVID which gave them a gigantic headstart. What has followed has not been luck, but having a lot of the heavy lifting done by trying to create a vaccine for MERS means we might see the back of this by the end of the year instead of the 2-3 year timeframe that is usually required.

A close relative of mine is one of the volunteers on the Oxford trial (the UK one). She's had a vaccine, but of course doesn't know if she's had THE vaccine.

How has she been feeling?

Fine, no significant side-effects.

LadyG said:

Excellent in-depth, non paywall article on the Oxford vaccine

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-07-15/oxford-s-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-coronavirus-front-runner?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-businessweek&utm_content=businessweek&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

LadyG said:

The USA will top 1,000 deaths today. First time since early June

Probably a record in new cases, too

williamglenn said:

LadyG said:

The USA will top 1,000 deaths today. First time since early June

Probably a record in new cases, too

India’s recorded over 30k cases for the first time as well and will hit a million tomorrow.

Flatlander said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

not_on_fire said:

Seriously though, this Twitter jack could have been really nasty. Imagine if they’d used Trump’s account to announce he was biking China or something?

Interesting they did NOT hack Trumpsky. Professional courtesy, one crook to another? OR Trumpers are at heart of the hack?

Just a bunch of scammers who could be based anywhere. Perhaps they just assumed that nobody would believe anything coming from Trump.

Such a wasted opportunity. With a bit more subtlety they could have caused mayhem.

It looks like they've managed to do password resets to new email addresses.

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

LadyG said:

God, this is a bleak report on Covid in South Africa

https://news.sky.com/video/covid-19-cases-are-overwhelming-south-africa-12029281

Average global deaths per million 75.1, South Africa deaths per million 75, so actually still fractionally below the global average due to its relatively low average life expectancy anyway

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?

Yeah, but South Africa is on the left hand side of the curve with cases exploding, while (for example) we're on the right hand side, with them in decline. It only makes sense to compare countries at similar stages of outbreaks.

Flatlander said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

not_on_fire said:

Seriously though, this Twitter jack could have been really nasty. Imagine if they’d used Trump’s account to announce he was biking China or something?

Interesting they did NOT hack Trumpsky. Professional courtesy, one crook to another? OR Trumpers are at heart of the hack?

Just a bunch of scammers who could be based anywhere. Perhaps they just assumed that nobody would believe anything coming from Trump.

Such a wasted opportunity. With a bit more subtlety they could have caused mayhem.

It looks like they've managed to do password resets to new email addresses.

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

rcs1000 said:

HYUFD said:

LadyG said:

God, this is a bleak report on Covid in South Africa

https://news.sky.com/video/covid-19-cases-are-overwhelming-south-africa-12029281

Average global deaths per million 75.1, South Africa deaths per million 75, so actually still fractionally below the global average due to its relatively low average life expectancy anyway

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?

Yeah, but South Africa is on the left hand side of the curve with cases exploding, while (for example) we're on the right hand side, with them in decline. It only makes sense to compare countries at similar stages of outbreaks.

South Africa cases 311,049, deaths 4,452, a death rate of 1.4%.

UK cases 291,911, deaths 45,053, a death rate of 14%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1

That's exactly what you'd expect for a country on the left hand side of the chart, where people have been diagnosed, but haven't died.

If you have lots of people being diagnosed with the disease now, quite a few of them will - in the future - die of it. This is not a controversial point, I would have thought.

Yokes said:

Its probably time to consider some kind of GOP effort to ease Trump out before election day.

Its a 2-1 shot that it will be tried, still an outsider of two of course, but a lot shorter than it was two weeks ago.

rcs1000 said:

Flatlander said:

SeaShantyIrish2 said:

not_on_fire said:

Seriously though, this Twitter jack could have been really nasty. Imagine if they’d used Trump’s account to announce he was biking China or something?

Interesting they did NOT hack Trumpsky. Professional courtesy, one crook to another? OR Trumpers are at heart of the hack?

Just a bunch of scammers who could be based anywhere. Perhaps they just assumed that nobody would believe anything coming from Trump.

Such a wasted opportunity. With a bit more subtlety they could have caused mayhem.

It looks like they've managed to do password resets to new email addresses.

As this is a "for money" attack by people with patience and resources, my money is on this being a North Korean operation.

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

Julian Lewis must be absolutely p1ssing himself laughing at today's coup and Cummings' petulent withdrawal of the whip.

The bloke's pushing 70 and on his last hurrah, so almost certainly doesn't give a flying f*** about not getting the whips' newsletter. Even if he does, he's now in charge of a Committee who can do serious damage to the Government if he wants to ally with Labour and the SNP, which is a hell of a good position to be if he wants the whip back.

Classic Dom - shafted by a nobody backbencher and has a pointless tantrum about it.