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Above is today’s polling from YouGov on the compulsory wearing of face masks when at work. As can be seen there’s a relatively tight split, within the margin of error, on whether those sampled back or oppose the idea.
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FPT but somewhat relevant to this thread:
Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, is making face coverings mandatory for shoppers in all its stores from Monday.
Politically quite significant in the US, I think.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jul/15/coronavirus-live-news-update-covid-19-cases-latest-updates-india-lockdown (at 16:46)1 -
Seat changes with the new Kantar opinion poll compared to GE2019 with ElectoralCalculus.
Con -7
Lab +2
LD -5
SNP +10
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Complete with a vast stand of masks at the entrance, one assumes.Richard_Nabavi said:FPT but somewhat relevant to this thread:
Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, is making face coverings mandatory for shoppers in all its stores from Monday.
Politically quite significant in the US, I think.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jul/15/coronavirus-live-news-update-covid-19-cases-latest-updates-india-lockdown (at 16:46)
All those Uyghurs in the re-socialisation campuses in China need work to help them rejoin society, after all.1 -
Scott must be devastated by that poll. He has worked so hard retweeting everyone who says anything negative about the Government and they have gone up in the pollAndy_JS said:Seat changes with the new Kantar opinion poll compared to GE2019 with ElectoralCalculus.
Con -7
Lab +2
LD -5
SNP +10
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So the only gtoup of people that actually are over all in favour of compulsion are the authoritarian left and the remainers who still don't like the fact some peasants didn't vote as they were told to.
I have said I expect a uturn will come on the compulsion and I think those percentages make it look more likely as it's people more likely to vote tory that appear to reject compulsion0 -
The Lab Con split is more striking to me than Leave Remain.1
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I don't think it should need to be compulsory, I think people 100% should do the right thing and wear a mask without the government needing to compel it. Where does that put me?0
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Of course it was that well-known Remainer Maggie Thatcher whose nanny-state government made seatbelt wearing compulsory.2
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Amongst the optimists!Philip_Thompson said:I don't think it should need to be compulsory, I think people 100% should do the right thing and wear a mask without the government needing to compel it. Where does that put me?
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As I'm not interested at all in celebrity tittle tattle I've not been following this Johnny Depp story at all. Is there much to it? Should I be changing my avatar?0
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Millions of people agree with that position.Philip_Thompson said:I don't think it should need to be compulsory, I think people 100% should do the right thing and wear a mask without the government needing to compel it. Where does that put me?
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UhPagan2 said:So the only gtoup of people that actually are over all in favour of compulsion are the authoritarian left and the remainers who still don't like the fact some peasants didn't vote as they were told to.
I have said I expect a uturn will come on the compulsion and I think those percentages make it look more likely as it's people more likely to vote tory that appear to reject compulsion
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Down with... the scientific method!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=200 -
(Not sure why Mike decided to focus on polling on masks at work in particular)Stereotomy said:
UhPagan2 said:So the only gtoup of people that actually are over all in favour of compulsion are the authoritarian left and the remainers who still don't like the fact some peasants didn't vote as they were told to.
I have said I expect a uturn will come on the compulsion and I think those percentages make it look more likely as it's people more likely to vote tory that appear to reject compulsion0 -
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
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Guardian:
John Harris is a national treasure. George Mondibot can be entertaining if you don’t take him too seriously. I also enjoy Richard Williams, especially when he writes about other than sport. I forget her name but the girl that does “how to cook the perfect...” is great magazine style journalism.
But then you have the downsides. Polly is tiresome, predictable and boring. And Owen Jones offensive and painful to my mental faculties.
It’s a shame because the Graun is at times capable of world class investigative journalism but has such a chip on its shoulder that its content is mostly unreadable dirge. Too many on its payroll have insufficiently few grey hairs and world views so narrow their output reads like parody.
The most irritating thing is the online comments section when you accidentally scroll below the article. Not that the Mail is better of course but at least they are self aware enough to give the audience some T&A (and curiously have an excellent science / technology editor).0 -
Take away the attribution, and I would have genuinely guessed that this was a KKK leaflet, or something vile from Stormfront.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don;t engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
Woke is just Weird0 -
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.0 -
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness1 -
Latest data
R just above 1. Reported cases no longer decreasing. That's the negative.
Incidence very low (except for some known hotspots). That's the positive.
Managing this will need a lot of thought and care!
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Grayling not to chair Intelligence Committee, Julian Lewis is0
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OK, my guess - hopefully educated - but a guess, on the current UK transmission of COVID by where it was contracted. This would, of course, have looked very different in March.
Non-public workplaces (esp. industrial, food) - 33%
Domestic transmission within household - 38%
Domestic transmission inter household (including a small contribution from at home care work and private transport) - 6%
Pubs, restaurants, hospitality Inc staff - 6%
Public transport Inc staff / taxis - 5%
Hospital, mefical and care settings Inc staff - 3% (if it were still greater, deaths would still be higher)
Retail and public facing service Inc staff but exc education - 4%
Education and childcare settings - 2%
Open air settings - 1%
Contracted abroad - 1%
Thoughts please.
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If non white people were to follow that advice it would certainly guarantee a "white supremacy" for a very long time to come.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
As it is it will be judged entirely on what race the author was.0 -
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness0 -
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Tend to disagree. Look at the whole thingLadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
and it is a genuine contribution to a tricky discussion (my opinion as a white, centre right liberal male) including, naturally, lots to disagree with.
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Since when have all white people been hard-working protestants? Some are lazy sods, or even Catholics.Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.1 -
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.1 -
To Kinablu its not the message that matters but who carries it and even a true thing is invalid if spoken by the wrong mouthLadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness2 -
FPT and off topic (so apologies)
It was asked why China has suddenly decided to come out all nasty to the world. I think the answer is that it has placed its bets on a Biden win in November and takes the view that, if he wins, Biden will be essentially Obama Mark 2, namely will want to avoid conflict and so will bend over backwards to do anything to calm China down. So China is probably thinking that the more it sabre rattles, the more Biden (or his successor) will look to give give aways.0 -
It didn't say what you say it says. Read it carefully. You are making unjustified inferences.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=200 -
Yeah, we really have gone insane in the far future of *checks notes* 1990.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
And I don't know why you're trying to read into it more than what it says. You're the one who's putting this "white = bad" narriative on it0 -
What about atheists?Richard_Nabavi said:
Since when have all white people been hard-working protestants? Some are lazy sods, or even Catholics.Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.0 -
What? Wait. So your not a Johhny Depp look alike????Philip_Thompson said:As I'm not interested at all in celebrity tittle tattle I've not been following this Johnny Depp story at all. Is there much to it? Should I be changing my avatar?
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All I've read is the headlines Mr T, and it seem to me that Depp, whether or not his version of events has any relation to reality, has done himself absolutely no favours.Philip_Thompson said:As I'm not interested at all in celebrity tittle tattle I've not been following this Johnny Depp story at all. Is there much to it? Should I be changing my avatar?
I don't know whether he has sought advice from anyone, but if he has, it's not from his friends.
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I have a feeling that anyone who thinks that hard work is a white thing hasn't met many... Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Peruvians, Nepalese Sherpas etc...algarkirk said:
Tend to disagree. Look at the whole thingLadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
and it is a genuine contribution to a tricky discussion (my opinion as a white, centre right liberal male) including, naturally, lots to disagree with.
Not very culturally aware, really.1 -
Well, perhaps you could explain what, for example, the bullet points in 'Emphasis scientific method' in the graphic detailing 'White Culture' are supposed to mean if it's not what I thought they mean.algarkirk said:
It didn't say what you say it says. Read it carefully. You are making unjustified inferences.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
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Good point, well made.Malmesbury said:
I have a feeling that anyone who thinks that hard work is a white thing hasn't met many... Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Peruvians, Nepalese Sherpas etc...algarkirk said:
Tend to disagree. Look at the whole thingLadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
and it is a genuine contribution to a tricky discussion (my opinion as a white, centre right liberal male) including, naturally, lots to disagree with.
Not very culturally aware, really.0 -
Yes, you have failed to understand what it says - even with it embedded as it is in a page explaining exactly what is says - yet you still felt moved to post about it as some example of something or other.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
Your buttons are so easily pushed.1 -
Them too.Malmesbury said:
What about atheists?Richard_Nabavi said:
Since when have all white people been hard-working protestants? Some are lazy sods, or even Catholics.Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.0 -
You need somebody to explain why having less of an emphasis on quantitative over qualitative analysis is different from being innumerate?Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, perhaps you could explain what, for example, the bullet points in 'Emphasis scientific method' in the graphic detailing 'White Culture' are supposed to mean if it's not what I thought they mean.algarkirk said:
It didn't say what you say it says. Read it carefully. You are making unjustified inferences.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
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Yes it was written by one Judith Katz in 1990. It doesn't look any better in her original. It reads like White Supremacism.Stereotomy said:
Yeah, we really have gone insane in the far future of *checks notes* 1990.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
http://www.cascadia.edu/discover/about/diversity/documents/Some Aspects and Assumptions of White Culture in the United States.pdf
She seems to be a fringe academic/author, who has been writing about this since the late 70s.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/White-Awareness-Judy-H-Katz/dp/0806114665
So obscure amazon gives the wrong info on her book
The difference is that this fringe position has now moved mainstream, and is being pumped out by a respected and important US museum
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I swear to god someone could posts 218 random character on twitter and end it with "..to defend free speech" and people would be posting here as a Brave New Intervention in the Woke Cancel Culture Wars Which Are Destroying Western Civilisation.2
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Last time I read an article, Japan agreed with a voluntary position and about 75% of people wore one in close proximity to others. If so, the other 25% who did not presumably objected to masks. It's a free country (or not, in the UK case).Andy_JS said:
Millions of people agree with that position.Philip_Thompson said:I don't think it should need to be compulsory, I think people 100% should do the right thing and wear a mask without the government needing to compel it. Where does that put me?
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Come to think of it, the section on Communication is practically the rule set for a several South East Asian countries.algarkirk said:
Good point, well made.Malmesbury said:
I have a feeling that anyone who thinks that hard work is a white thing hasn't met many... Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Peruvians, Nepalese Sherpas etc...algarkirk said:
Tend to disagree. Look at the whole thingLadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
and it is a genuine contribution to a tricky discussion (my opinion as a white, centre right liberal male) including, naturally, lots to disagree with.
Not very culturally aware, really.
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Which is why it is way too soon for inquiries.LadyG said:Ominous. But important
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1283434043867049985?s=200 -
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -Stereotomy said:
Yeah, we really have gone insane in the far future of *checks notes* 1990.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
And I don't know why you're trying to read into it more than what it says. You're the one who's putting this "white = bad" narriative on it
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
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No, I need someone to explain how a graphic claiming that examples of 'white culture' which include 'Objective, rational linear thinking; Cause and effect relationships; Quantitative emphasis' isn't incredibly racist. What is non-white culture - sorcery and voodoo?Stereotomy said:
You need somebody to explain why having less of an emphasis on quantitative over qualitative analysis is different from being innumerate?Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, perhaps you could explain what, for example, the bullet points in 'Emphasis scientific method' in the graphic detailing 'White Culture' are supposed to mean if it's not what I thought they mean.algarkirk said:
It didn't say what you say it says. Read it carefully. You are making unjustified inferences.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
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What is interesting about that list, is that the exact opposite is the racist stereotype of various minorities.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -Stereotomy said:
Yeah, we really have gone insane in the far future of *checks notes* 1990.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
And I don't know why you're trying to read into it more than what it says. You're the one who's putting this "white = bad" narriative on it
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"0 -
It's just mental.Malmesbury said:
What is interesting about that list, is that the exact opposite is the racist stereotype of various minorities.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -Stereotomy said:
Yeah, we really have gone insane in the far future of *checks notes* 1990.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
And I don't know why you're trying to read into it more than what it says. You're the one who's putting this "white = bad" narriative on it
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"0 -
Surely that's not real.LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=200 -
Could one of the the right-wingers getting their knickers in a twist about this please point out the bits where it says either or both of "only white people have these characteristics" or "these characteristics are bad"? Because if it isn't saying either of those things (hint: it isn't), then I fail to see what the problem is.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -Stereotomy said:
Yeah, we really have gone insane in the far future of *checks notes* 1990.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
And I don't know why you're trying to read into it more than what it says. You're the one who's putting this "white = bad" narriative on it
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"1 -
I wonder what that means the Ghanian culture of advancement through education is?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, I need someone to explain how a graphic claiming that examples of 'white culture' which include 'Objective, rational linear thinking; Cause and effect relationships; Quantitative emphasis' isn't incredibly racist. What is non-white culture - sorcery and voodoo?Stereotomy said:
You need somebody to explain why having less of an emphasis on quantitative over qualitative analysis is different from being innumerate?Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, perhaps you could explain what, for example, the bullet points in 'Emphasis scientific method' in the graphic detailing 'White Culture' are supposed to mean if it's not what I thought they mean.algarkirk said:
It didn't say what you say it says. Read it carefully. You are making unjustified inferences.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=200 -
That second wave in Israel looks bad. 7-day Average 1448 in a polulation of under 10 million.LadyG said:Ominous. But important
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1283434043867049985?s=200 -
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?
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As a lover of good curry, I am particularly offended by this bit about "typical white food"rpjs said:
Could one of the the right-wingers getting their knickers in a twist about this please point out the bits where it says either or both of "only white people have these characteristics" or "these characteristics are bad"? Because if it isn't saying either of those things (hint: it isn't), then I fail to see what the problem is.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -Stereotomy said:
Yeah, we really have gone insane in the far future of *checks notes* 1990.LadyG said:
To be honest, I don't even understand what that graphic is trying to say to people. Are these things bad because they are "white"? Are they good despite being "typically white"? Do non-whites not do these things, or should they avoid them, or what?Stereotomy said:
So you think the protestant work ethic is universal, not cultural? Clue's in the name.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
Woke has gone so far it has entered a parallel universe outwith my comprehension. I am not jesting. I don't get it.
And I don't know why you're trying to read into it more than what it says. You're the one who's putting this "white = bad" narriative on it
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Steak and potatoes: “bland is best”
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Interesting that although it became compulsory to wear seatbelts in front seats in 1983, it wasn't until 1991 that this was extended to back seats.0
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You are right, it doesn't say that only white people have these characteristics. It's even worse than that - it says that some people of colour have internalized these characteristics (grey box on the graphic). What a disgrace: people of colour internalizing rational thinking!rpjs said:
Could one of the the right-wingers getting their knickers in a twist about this please point out the bits where it says either or both of "only white people have these characteristics" or "these characteristics are bad"? Because if it isn't saying either of those things (hint: it isn't), then I fail to see what the problem is.
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So, the Number 10 Grayling stitch-up fails spectacularly. If they cannot even get that right, you do have to wonder about their ability to deal with slightly bigger issues like trade deals, saving the economy, keeping the UK together and managing the covid-19 pandemic.2
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I'm not freaking out, I am genuinely bewildered as to why a museum dedicated to racial justice should be putting out this insane literature, which manages to offend just about everyone of every raceStereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?
Anyhoo. After chucking that cat at you pigeons, I must go do some hard protestant work. Peace to all0 -
In the last millennium, what other voluntary settlers were there? I don't think there were, before about 1900, many black people who went voluntarily to the US. And the 'protestant work ethic' isn't, so far as I can see, particularly protestant.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?0 -
I see Softbank are putting ARM up for sale again...0
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I would associate that value list far more with Korean society than the US.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?
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What I find most interesting about the poll question is how it isn't that highly polarised.The compulsory wearing highlights presents ideologically difficulties for those who, like ex-UKIP MP Douglas Carswell, want less state interference without acknowledging that means more are likely to die.
This also goes the other way. I'm sure many shop owners are worried that requiring masks will hurt any recovery in sales and the longer this drags on and job losses bite there may a revolt against those pushing for ever more restrictions.1 -
It is reactionary right wing propaganda of the most tedious and obvious variety. I'm by equal measure surprised and disappointed to see how many posters swallow it.Alistair said:I swear to god someone could posts 218 random character on twitter and end it with "..to defend free speech" and people would be posting here as a Brave New Intervention in the Woke Cancel Culture Wars Which Are Destroying Western Civilisation.
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Well there are quite a few Protestants in Korea....Malmesbury said:
I would associate that value list far more with Korean society than the US.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?0 -
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The Chinese in California, at least for the construction of the transcontinental railroad in the 1860s. But no idea of relative numbers. Very hard working, of course, or they wouldn't be there (and very much appreciated by the management).OldKingCole said:
In the last millennium, what other voluntary settlers were there? I don't think there were, before about 1900, many black people who went voluntarily to the US. And the 'protestant work ethic' isn't, so far as I can see, particularly protestant.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?0 -
And quite a lot of Japanese emigrated to the West coast states, I believe - but maybe they came later.Carnyx said:
The Chinese in California, at least for the construction of the transcontinental railroad in the 1860s. But no idea of relative numbers. Very hard working, of course, or they wouldn't be there (and very much appreciated by the management).0 -
Well that is positive thinking for you!Nigelb said:As an alternative to accepting masks....
twitter.com/mmfa/status/12831304688718766080 -
Okay? The article is about how traits associated with white culture have become treated as the default or norm in the US as a result of long-standing white dominance of US institutions. If you're saying that a lot of very similar traits are also treated as the default in Korea because they're also present in Korean culture then I don't really see how that's relevant.Malmesbury said:
I would associate that value list far more with Korean society than the US.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?0 -
I care. And so should you.LadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness0 -
Why don't you - and others - look into it instead of reacting like Pavlov's dogs?Richard_Nabavi said:
No, I need someone to explain how a graphic claiming that examples of 'white culture' which include 'Objective, rational linear thinking; Cause and effect relationships; Quantitative emphasis' isn't incredibly racist. What is non-white culture - sorcery and voodoo?Stereotomy said:
You need somebody to explain why having less of an emphasis on quantitative over qualitative analysis is different from being innumerate?Richard_Nabavi said:
Well, perhaps you could explain what, for example, the bullet points in 'Emphasis scientific method' in the graphic detailing 'White Culture' are supposed to mean if it's not what I thought they mean.algarkirk said:
It didn't say what you say it says. Read it carefully. You are making unjustified inferences.Richard_Nabavi said:
Raving bonkers. It's also incredibly racist, arguing that people of colour don't engage in rational thinking, are innumerate, don't work hard, don't plan for the future, can't delay their gratification, can't stick to schedules, can't make decisions. It's a white-supremacist worldview, which seems very odd!LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=200 -
Genuinely bewildered. Are you really? I sense not.LadyG said:
I'm not freaking out, I am genuinely bewildered as to why a museum dedicated to racial justice should be putting out this insane literature, which manages to offend just about everyone of every raceStereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?
Anyhoo. After chucking that cat at you pigeons, I must go do some hard protestant work. Peace to all
Would you like to know what EYE sense you are?0 -
So, to be clear, Objective rational linear thinking and emphasis on cause and effect is evidence of 'white* dominance of US institutions'? Really? In the annals of utterly bonkers nonsense, that is a quite spectacular example.Stereotomy said:
Okay? The article is about how traits associated with white culture have become treated as the default or norm in the US as a result of long-standing white dominance of US institutions.
* by which they don't actually seem to mean white, they've equated skin colour with the culture of a subset of northern European settlers, but we'll let that racist logical error pass1 -
I will have to leave you to it. Good luck.Stereotomy said:
Okay? The article is about how traits associated with white culture have become treated as the default or norm in the US as a result of long-standing white dominance of US institutions. If you're saying that a lot of very similar traits are also treated as the default in Korea because they're also present in Korean culture then I don't really see how that's relevant.Malmesbury said:
I would associate that value list far more with Korean society than the US.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?0 -
As Symbols of Whiteness!Richard_Nabavi said:
You are right, it doesn't say that only white people have these characteristics. It's even worse than that - it says that some people of colour have internalized these characteristics (grey box on the graphic). What a disgrace: people of colour internalizing rational thinking!rpjs said:
Could one of the the right-wingers getting their knickers in a twist about this please point out the bits where it says either or both of "only white people have these characteristics" or "these characteristics are bad"? Because if it isn't saying either of those things (hint: it isn't), then I fail to see what the problem is.
The point missing going on here is absolutely spectacular. Truly jaw droppingly stunning.
I don't even necessarily agree with the thesis but at least I have the decency to understand it before slating it for things it isn't saying.0 -
I am sure when I was much younger, in less racially sensitive times, I would hear the expressionalgarkirk said:
Good point, well made.Malmesbury said:
I have a feeling that anyone who thinks that hard work is a white thing hasn't met many... Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Peruvians, Nepalese Sherpas etc...algarkirk said:
Tend to disagree. Look at the whole thingLadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
and it is a genuine contribution to a tricky discussion (my opinion as a white, centre right liberal male) including, naturally, lots to disagree with.
Not very culturally aware, really.
"work(s) like a ..."
I won't complete the sentence, for obvious reasons, but the word wasn't "Protestant" or "Korean".0 -
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OMFG.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, to be clear, Objective rational linear thinking and emphasis on cause and effect is evidence of 'white* dominance of US institutions'? Really? In the annals of utterly bonkers nonsense, that is a quite spectacular example.Stereotomy said:
Okay? The article is about how traits associated with white culture have become treated as the default or norm in the US as a result of long-standing white dominance of US institutions.
* by which they don't actually seem to mean white, they've equated skin colour with the culture of a subset of northern European settlers, but we'll let that racist logical error pass0 -
kinabalu said:
I will have to leave you to it. Good luck.Stereotomy said:
Okay? The article is about how traits associated with white culture have become treated as the default or norm in the US as a result of long-standing white dominance of US institutions. If you're saying that a lot of very similar traits are also treated as the default in Korea because they're also present in Korean culture then I don't really see how that's relevant.Malmesbury said:
I would associate that value list far more with Korean society than the US.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?
Do you really associate modern US culture with -Stereotomy said:
Okay? The article is about how traits associated with white culture have become treated as the default or norm in the US as a result of long-standing white dominance of US institutions. If you're saying that a lot of very similar traits are also treated as the default in Korea because they're also present in Korean culture then I don't really see how that's relevant.Malmesbury said:
I would associate that value list far more with Korean society than the US.Stereotomy said:
I'd like to know Katz' sources for this, or if she just made it up. I'm certainly not giving a blanket agreement to all of it, or necessarily any of it. My issue is with you- and the original tweeter- freaking out over things which don't really seem particularly outlandish.LadyG said:
It says, in the original, that "common characteristics of US white people, most of the time" are -
Self reliance
Planning for the future
Nuclear families
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Hard work
Working before playing
Respect for authority
Giving kids their own rooms, so they can be independent
Punctuality
Objective and rational thinking
Protection of property
Belief in cause and effect
That's what is says "characterises most American white people"
Is it really that shocking. for example, to claim that the protestant work ethic a) is culturally dominant in the US and b) primarily originated with white settlers? Is it fair to characterise that claim as saying that only white people work hard?
Planning for the future
The avoidance of conflict
Politeness
Respect for authority
Objective and rational thinking
Belief in cause and effect
Because I don't....
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Well, I think I understand the English language pretty damned well, but I really can't see how the text in that grey box can be interpreted as anything other than how I interpreted it.Alistair said:
As Symbols of Whiteness!Richard_Nabavi said:
You are right, it doesn't say that only white people have these characteristics. It's even worse than that - it says that some people of colour have internalized these characteristics (grey box on the graphic). What a disgrace: people of colour internalizing rational thinking!rpjs said:
Could one of the the right-wingers getting their knickers in a twist about this please point out the bits where it says either or both of "only white people have these characteristics" or "these characteristics are bad"? Because if it isn't saying either of those things (hint: it isn't), then I fail to see what the problem is.
The point missing going on here is absolutely spectacular. Truly jaw droppingly stunning.
I don't even necessarily agree with the thesis but at least I have the decent to understand it before slating it for things it isn't saying.0 -
Been pretty bad, what a pair of divvies , she crapped in the bed supposedly as a joke , he hung her yorkshire terrier out the car window at speed etc, just a litany of drink, drugs and debaucheryPhilip_Thompson said:As I'm not interested at all in celebrity tittle tattle I've not been following this Johnny Depp story at all. Is there much to it? Should I be changing my avatar?
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Defecating on a carpet is a genuine contribution. If you think it has merit, please say so and explain why.algarkirk said:
Tend to disagree. Look at the whole thingLadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
and it is a genuine contribution to a tricky discussion (my opinion as a white, centre right liberal male) including, naturally, lots to disagree with.0 -
"In praise of idleness," by Bertrand Russell - was it cultural appropriation?
http://www.zpub.com/notes/idle.html0 -
"In praise of cultural appropriation
The mixing and meshing of different cultures is something to celebrate.
Frank Furedi"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2016/02/15/in-praise-of-cultural-appropriation/0 -
It's the C word. Context. Context is key. Without context there is no truth. And an integral part of context - especially with Twitter - is who is tweeting.Pagan2 said:
To Kinablu its not the message that matters but who carries it and even a true thing is invalid if spoken by the wrong mouthLadyG said:
Who cares who tweeted itkinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.
It's genuine. See here
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
If it's an extremist, one is well advised to treat with caution and seek the reasons why the bald content is misleading and the message is false.
And if ye so seek, ye shall usually find.1 -
Cultural appropriation is the one area on racism where the angry right are correct. It is indeed a nonsense.Andy_JS said:"In praise of cultural appropriation
The mixing and meshing of different cultures is something to celebrate.
Frank Furedi"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2016/02/15/in-praise-of-cultural-appropriation/2 -
Thank you and hats off.algarkirk said:
Tend to disagree. Look at the whole thingLadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
https://nmaahc.si.edu/learn/talking-about-race/topics/whiteness
and it is a genuine contribution to a tricky discussion (my opinion as a white, centre right liberal male) including, naturally, lots to disagree with.
If only more would take a leaf instead of doing the Pavlov's dogs routine.0 -
Good-oh, another achievement to be added to the glories of the Protestant work ethic and white culture!Nigelb said:As an alternative to accepting masks....
https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/12831304688718766081 -
Is Revolutionary Commie Furedi the angry right or the angry left?noneoftheabove said:
Cultural appropriation is the one area on racism where the angry right are correct. It is indeed a nonsense.Andy_JS said:"In praise of cultural appropriation
The mixing and meshing of different cultures is something to celebrate.
Frank Furedi"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2016/02/15/in-praise-of-cultural-appropriation/0 -
That sounds more like Trumpery than how the world actually works.MrEd said:FPT and off topic (so apologies)
It was asked why China has suddenly decided to come out all nasty to the world. I think the answer is that it has placed its bets on a Biden win in November and takes the view that, if he wins, Biden will be essentially Obama Mark 2, namely will want to avoid conflict and so will bend over backwards to do anything to calm China down. So China is probably thinking that the more it sabre rattles, the more Biden (or his successor) will look to give give aways.0 -
OFF TOPIC - This from Texas Monthly 2020 Runoff Roundup
Former Travis County GOP chair and B-list Austin crank Robert Morrow has suffered a stinging defeat in his bid to serve on the State Board of Education. GOP voters were apparently not in the mood for Morrow’s ideas for Texas schoolchildren, including pole-dancing classes for high-schoolers and teaching that Lyndon Johnson assassinated John Kennedy.
Morrow is losing 78-22 to Lani Popp, who has a lovely name and seems wisely to have stayed off Twitter, her challenger’s preferred medium for anime porn. Current Travis County GOP chair Matt Mackowiak must be relieved that he will not have to follow through on his promise to “light [himself] on fire” if Morrow wins.0 -
No idea who he is, but by your description guessing the left.....it doesnt stop the angry right being correct for once.Theuniondivvie said:
Is Revolutionary Commie Furedi the angry right or the angry left?noneoftheabove said:
Cultural appropriation is the one area on racism where the angry right are correct. It is indeed a nonsense.Andy_JS said:"In praise of cultural appropriation
The mixing and meshing of different cultures is something to celebrate.
Frank Furedi"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2016/02/15/in-praise-of-cultural-appropriation/0 -
SCon and SLD bloodbath there.Andy_JS said:Seat changes with the new Kantar opinion poll compared to GE2019 with ElectoralCalculus.
Con -7
Lab +2
LD -5
SNP +10
https://tinyurl.com/ybk6nkr51 -
What does who tweets something have to do with whether the thing tweeted is accurate or not? If it isn't, they are disreputable. If it is, then it doesn't matter whether they have views or interpretations others would not share, since we are not obliged to share the view or interpretation they hold. If their interpretation is suspect or incorrect, that's an entirely separate matter.kinabalu said:
I see the tweeter is the proud author of the following work -LadyG said:Peak Woke?
Truly bizarre
https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1283372233730203651?s=20
THE VAST LEFT WING CONSPIRACY:
The Untold Story of How Democratic Operatives, Eccentric Billionaires, Liberal Activists, and Assorted Celebrities Tried to Bring Down a President - and Why They'll Try Even Harder Next Time.0 -
That is a pretty compelling argument for mask wearing in shops.LadyG said:Ominous. But important
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1283434043867049985?s=20
Basically, the argument is a simple one: by accepting slightly more onerous restrictions now, you avoid a hard lock down (either de facto or de jure).1
