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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,134

    SeanT, Eadric, Mysticrose, LadyG and Byronic do so fairly regularly.
    Shocking to see such lies posted here.

    Byronic was adamant he was a remainer.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349
    Vydra 8/1 bet365 first goalscorer in Palace vs Burnley
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,134
    ydoethur said:

    Really? *Looks round in alarm*

    Oh, phew, you meant metaphorically.
    Or someone has set fire to your coat. At long last.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,134
    kinabalu said:

    My message is sometimes pitched just beyond the grasp of all but those I wish to reach.

    Like dog whistling.

    In this case it appears you were not a dog.
    Who the next account will be is anyone’s guess.
  • novanova Posts: 755

    They are disappointed in Starmer over the stance on BLM UK, hence their following tweets mentioning UK events. They are talking about BLM UK's call for defunding the police here, not in the US.
    Yes - I realise. I'm suggesting that in the US, what is meant by defunding isn't that radical.

    Here it's a much more extreme proposal, which even most Labour left wingers wouldn't consider.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Another news flash - by 5-4, SCOTUS strikes down Louisiana law designed to close down abortion clinics, Chief Justice Roberts casting deciding vote.

    Trump is all about immediate gratification; but Roberts is playing the long game.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349

    Presciently saying things that were obviously true and which led to a screeching U-turn from LOTO within a day?

    You clearly know nothing about politics, isam :smile:
    Well, yes

    Now he's got left wingers and black people attacking him, whilst Nigel Farage is onside.. and challenging someone just out of intensive care to a push up competition!

    That's what comes of trying too hard
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482
    IanB2 said:

    Shocking to see such lies posted here.

    Byronic was adamant he was a remainer.
    The EU is not what it once was.

    I think that's very good news for the EU - the unstoppable train of hubris is over. Nonetheless there are questions. My money is all with the EU though - 99% chance of it being here in 10 years. It was never seriously under threat though.

    Incidentally a prediction is pretty unlikely to be a lie, and certainly so here.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575
    IanB2 said:

    Shocking to see such lies posted here.

    Byronic was adamant he was a remainer.
    Which lies are you referring to - the ones Byronic told, or the alleged ones about him?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:

    Good to see the Starmer fans, who love tenuous links for guilt by association charges, in full agreement, hand in hand, with Nigel Farage on Black Lives Matter by the way!

    Shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU to see Keir Starmer and Nigel Farage on the same page regarding BLM!! :D

    They're not though.

    Keir Starmer is saying he respects "black lives matter" as a principle without signing up for organisational nonsense of BLM the organisation.

    Farage isn't saying that. He's incapable of uttering the words "black lives matter" unless I've missed it.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349
    Blimey, he was in charge of the CPS when they decided not to prosecute Jim'll Fix It?
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    edited June 2020
    isam said:

    Blimey, he was in charge of the CPS when they decided not to prosecute Jim'll Fix It?
    You obviously didn't read it, no surprise there then.

    Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    There might be a lot in that. It was to excuse Dominic Cummings that advice shifted to use your common sense rather than follow the rules.
    That is the perception. It is hard to draw any other conclusion.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,570
    HYUFD said:
    Looking good. There is no way Biden is going allow himself to lose Penn.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    You obviously didn't read it, no surprise there then.

    Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.
    I mean isam's statement isn't incorrect.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575

    You obviously didn't read it, no surprise there then.

    Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.
    That noted - isn’t it just a bit surprising that he wasn’t involved at some level in such a high profile, sensitive and politically charged case?

    I would have thought this is one you would want your most senior figures to consider.

    However, the truth seems to be that the CPS is an utterly dysfunctional organisation. No DPP has ever run it successfully, and Starmer did an awful lot better than most of his predecessors.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,825
    LadyG said:

    It's odd how you find so many opinions contrary to yours "yawningly predictable".

    Jonathan Pie is a mixed bag. That rant was quite good, but definitely not his best.

    He can be poor, equally, when he's really on form, he can be rather exhilarating.

    And now, that's it. The poor blind Zagorian Olms cannot wait. I must go.
    You're right. It is odd and it's not good. To find nothing new in anything said by the unwokerati is a sign of being jaded or of madness. I'm hoping it's the former.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,033

    Economically it is Ricardian economics. I believe true free trade helps all parties.

    Philosophically I believe in free trade for the same reason as I believe in free markets and not a command economy. I believe that free people, in a free society trading freely in a free market are able to make better choices than bureaucrats trying to cherrypick winners and losers.

    If the EU were simply a free trade organisation I would wholeheartedly support our membership. In the past I used to.
    Presumably you agree with the US Anti-Trust laws and equivalents elsewhere?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    "Defunding the police" is a very maladroit way of saying you want to restructure, reorient and demilitarize law enforcement.

    Reforms such as in Camden, New Jersey are what BLM is advocating NOT zero budget. Would be better IF they said that, instead of a misleading slogan that does NOT test well in polls or focus groups.

    That said, it's clear that majority of American public is now supporting BLM to some degree. One sign of this, is that cops who flaunt their racism are getting fired right and left from sea to shining sea.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,610
    malcolmg said:

    very clear that overall the death rate is significantly lower in Scotland , dropping quicker and must be some good reason behind it.
    As of last Thursday there were still just under 500 people in hospital in Scotland, however hospitalisations have been single figures since the end of May. There seems to have been a fast drop-off in hospitalisations since mid April. I would guess that the relatively lower population density is in Scotland's favour.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,431

    Looking good. There is no way Biden is going allow himself to lose Penn.
    Personally, I think Pennsylvania is the hardest of the Midwest states for the Dems to regain, and Wisconsin the easiest. (This is based solely on state level approval for President Trump.)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    rcs1000 said:

    Personally, I think Pennsylvania is the hardest of the Midwest states for the Dems to regain, and Wisconsin the easiest. (This is based solely on state level approval for President Trump.)
    Michigan looks the easiest to me from polling data.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349

    You obviously didn't read it, no surprise there then.

    Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile but he was not the reviewing lawyer for the case. An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.
    "Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile"

    That's what I said wasn't it?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,482

    They're not though.

    Keir Starmer is saying he respects "black lives matter" as a principle without signing up for organisational nonsense of BLM the organisation.

    Farage isn't saying that. He's incapable of uttering the words "black lives matter" unless I've missed it.
    I think you're being wildly unfair here. Farage has really no history of racism.

    This whole 'black lives matter' thing is horribly racist anyway. Skin colour doesn't matter. It never has and it never will. Sorry to pop you bubble.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364
    RobD said:

    I mean isam's statement isn't incorrect.
    What's with the off topic flagging?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,339
    ydoethur said:

    Really? *Looks round in alarm*

    Oh, phew, you meant metaphorically.
    Mercia and Penda were awesome puns. Sometimes the burning arrows sail
    over the target to oblivion or fall to the floor. Those two were straight and true.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,550
    edited June 2020
    Seems the social media companies been busy today with the ban hammer...2000 sub reddits including The_Donald have got banned from reddit, Trump"s twitch account has gone.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Presumably you agree with the US Anti-Trust laws and equivalents elsewhere?
    As a last resort not a first instance yes.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,012
    RobD said:

    "disgusted"? Why is everything a massive overreaction these days.
    I think they must read The Daily Mail.....
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    We're judging the past by the present again. These symbols were probably granted to the southern states in an attempt to smoothe over relations after what had been an exhausting and extremely bitter war.

    You don;t completely humiliate those you defeat if you want them to be your fellow citizens again. Which of course the North did.

    Many confederate soldiers fought under that flag because it was the flag of their country, not because it was 'pro-slavery'. Slavery wasn;t an issue as they owned no slaves.

    I'm not saying these flags should be flown now, but why they were around until recently was at least explainable.
    The Missisipi flag was adopted decades after the end of the Civil War.

    The stars and bars also wasn't the flag of the Confederacy, it was the battle ensign of the Army of North Virginia.

    The incorporation of the stars and bars into the Mississippi flag was unequivocally about sending a message to the black population that they were still subjugated.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    THIS is a bit strange.

    Covid deaths are markedly down today, across the world.

    Surely just coincidence. Unless this bug is suddenly collapsing like the Triffids.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349

    They're not though.

    Keir Starmer is saying he respects "black lives matter" as a principle without signing up for organisational nonsense of BLM the organisation.

    Farage isn't saying that. He's incapable of uttering the words "black lives matter" unless I've missed it.
    "Keir Starmer is saying he respects "black lives matter" as a principle without signing up for organisational nonsense of BLM the organisation."

    He shoudn't have used their pose for a photo shoot when they were fighting with police in London if he didn't want to make it look like he was on their side!

    Blimey, imagine Corbyn had made this error! At least he would have meant it and stuck by it!!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Another news flash - by 5-4, SCOTUS strikes down Louisiana law designed to close down abortion clinics, Chief Justice Roberts casting deciding vote.

    Trump is all about immediate gratification; but Roberts is playing the long game.

    Roberts knows banning abortion is the most effective way of ensuring the Bluest of Blue waves.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobD said:

    What's with the off topic flagging?
    There's been a lot of it lately. Someone is using it as a dislike button.

    Someone marked a whole conversation about RLB's antisemitism as Off Topic in a thread with a topic of RLB getting sacked for antisemitism.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    LadyG said:

    THIS is a bit strange.

    Covid deaths are markedly down today, across the world.

    Surely just coincidence. Unless this bug is suddenly collapsing like the Triffids.

    Weekend data
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    isam said:

    "Mr Starmer was head of the CPS when the decision was made not to prosecute Savile"

    That's what I said wasn't it?

    I think Starmer's defence is that 'he was present, but not involved'.

    That's the line Corbyn used for everything, and it worked out great for him...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    There's been a lot of it lately. Someone is using it as a dislike button.

    Someone marked a whole conversation about RLB's antisemitism as Off Topic in a thread with a topic of RLB getting sacked for antisemitism.
    It was a reply to another comment that was also off topic, but that wasn't flagged. I wonder why? Perhaps it's because you can't off topic your own post.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247
    nichomar said:

    Weekend data
    Repeat after me - 7 day trend line. The trend is your friend....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    edited June 2020
    I know when quoted in newspapers all MPs become 'senior' or 'key', but is Mhairi Black really a 'Senior Nat MP'? I guess she holds a post, but even so.

    Given she was so young when elected, it makes me wonder if anyone has in their career been both the baby of the house and father of the house
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    edited June 2020
    nichomar said:

    Weekend data
    But even by the standards of a Monday they are down. Probably just random noise


    Incidentally, today might be the first day when India tops the list for deaths.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    isam said:

    "Keir Starmer is saying he respects "black lives matter" as a principle without signing up for organisational nonsense of BLM the organisation."

    He shoudn't have used their pose for a photo shoot when they were fighting with police in London if he didn't want to make it look like he was on their side!

    Blimey, imagine Corbyn had made this error! At least he would have meant it and stuck by it!!
    Its not their pose.

    Again you can say - and pose to say - black lives matter without signing up to any unrelated nonsense. Anyone sensible can distinguish the two.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    As of last Thursday there were still just under 500 people in hospital in Scotland, however hospitalisations have been single figures since the end of May. There seems to have been a fast drop-off in hospitalisations since mid April. I would guess that the relatively lower population density is in Scotland's favour.
    Nope. Half the population (2.5m) lives in Greater Glasgow, which is a relatively small geographical area.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Leicester faces a further two weeks of lockdown to fight a local flare-up of coronavirus that has prompted "concern" from the Prime Minister.

    The latest data shows the city has an unusually high number of cases, so is likely to be exempted from the easing of lockdown across England on July 4.

    Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, will make a statement about the city after 9pm this evening, but an extension to the closure of pubs and restaurants there now looks likely.

    Sir Peter Soulsby, the Mayor of Leicester, said the Government was still "minded to extend the current level of restrictions for two weeks" after speaking to the Health Secretary today.

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247
    Alistair said:

    The Missisipi flag was adopted decades after the end of the Civil War.

    The stars and bars also wasn't the flag of the Confederacy, it was the battle ensign of the Army of North Virginia.

    The incorporation of the stars and bars into the Mississippi flag was unequivocally about sending a message to the black population that they were still subjugated.
    If the South wasn't fighting for slavery, why did Alexander Stephens, The Vice President of the Confederacy think it was?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

  • isamisam Posts: 41,349

    Its not their pose.

    Again you can say - and pose to say - black lives matter without signing up to any unrelated nonsense. Anyone sensible can distinguish the two.
    Oh no, of course not! No one thinks of BLM when people take the knee
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,570
    "My local Asda has all the lockdown features even the most fanatical virus paranoid could want: stickers, signs, screens, one-way lanes – you name it. No-one, not even the staff, now takes the slightest notice and there is zero enforcement."

    Posted on Lockdownsceptics today.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247


    I think Starmer's defence is that 'he was present, but not involved'.

    That's the line Corbyn used for everything, and it worked out great for him...
    I wonder what the excuse was when the CPS was involved in deciding not to prosecute certain other crimes?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    Andy_JS said:

    Michigan looks the easiest to me from polling data.
    Yet the polls I see show Biden piling up votes where he doesn't need them - in the North East and the West. In the South, he's managed a very small swing on 2016 while in the Midwest Trump is doing better than 2016.

    It might be Pennsylvania and Arizona will go to the Democrats and the GOP will pick up Minnesota - I don't know but I simply don't see this huge Democrat landslide.

    I presume no one is taking the Trafalgar Poll in Wisconsin seriously - it shows Trump 0.9% ahead of Biden.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575
    LadyG said:

    THIS is a bit strange.

    Covid deaths are markedly down today, across the world.

    Surely just coincidence. Unless this bug is suddenly collapsing like the Triffids.

    Eh? The whole point about the triffids is that they didn’t collapse.

    That’s why the final sentence has to be in the future tense.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    "My local Asda has all the lockdown features even the most fanatical virus paranoid could want: stickers, signs, screens, one-way lanes – you name it. No-one, not even the staff, now takes the slightest notice and there is zero enforcement."

    Posted on Lockdownsceptics today.

    How do you ignore a screen?
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    edited June 2020
    ydoethur said:

    Eh? The whole point about the triffids is that they didn’t collapse.

    That’s why the final sentence has to be in the future tense.
    Didn't they just dissolve when someone chucked sea water on them? Or is that the aliens from War of the Worlds? Or the huge cockroach in Quatermass and the Pit? It was a long time ago and I was tiny

    I never really rated the Triffids anyway. A bunch of perambulating aspidistras taking over the world. Yeah, right

    The Midwich Cuckoos? They were truly unnerving
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    "Defunding the police" is a very maladroit way of saying you want to restructure, reorient and demilitarize law enforcement.

    Reforms such as in Camden, New Jersey are what BLM is advocating NOT zero budget. Would be better IF they said that, instead of a misleading slogan that does NOT test well in polls or focus groups.

    Quite. If it is not unreasonable to take another meaning from the phrase then people cannot reasonably express annoyance if people are unclear about what it is supposed to mean. I assume 'reform the police' is not strong enough for some, the fear being you get some real milquetoaste reform instead, but the answer isn't come up with a slogan you have to explain in detail every time.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I wonder what the excuse was when the CPS was involved in deciding not to prosecute certain other crimes?
    Did the rapes in Rotherham get as far as the CPS, or was that shut down by the local bill and the council?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    As of last Thursday there were still just under 500 people in hospital in Scotland, however hospitalisations have been single figures since the end of May. There seems to have been a fast drop-off in hospitalisations since mid April. I would guess that the relatively lower population density is in Scotland's favour.
    Only on average. The Scots invented high-rise flats (in Edinburgh, in the 16th centuries onward).
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,531
    Floater said:

    Leicester faces a further two weeks of lockdown to fight a local flare-up of coronavirus that has prompted "concern" from the Prime Minister.

    The latest data shows the city has an unusually high number of cases, so is likely to be exempted from the easing of lockdown across England on July 4.

    Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, will make a statement about the city after 9pm this evening, but an extension to the closure of pubs and restaurants there now looks likely.

    Sir Peter Soulsby, the Mayor of Leicester, said the Government was still "minded to extend the current level of restrictions for two weeks" after speaking to the Health Secretary today.

    Given the problems Leicester, Liverpool, London and Wales have had its not been the best of adverts for Labour government.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,610

    Nope. Half the population (2.5m) lives in Greater Glasgow, which is a relatively small geographical area.
    Of course England has several such metropolitan areas. But I am not sure what was being different as early as April to explain such a rapid tail-off.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Carnyx said:

    Only on average. The Scots invented high-rise flats (in Edinburgh, in the 16th centuries onward).
    As early as that? What qualified as high rise at the time?
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    kle4 said:

    Quite. If it is not unreasonable to take another meaning from the phrase then people cannot reasonably express annoyance if people are unclear about what it is supposed to mean. I assume 'reform the police' is not strong enough for some, the fear being you get some real milquetoaste reform instead, but the answer isn't come up with a slogan you have to explain in detail every time.
    Considering that black people are being slaughtered at an alarming rate in every large American city going by other black people, would it not make more sense to defund the criminals instead?

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247

    Absolutely 100% they don't.

    People don't think "of Black Lives Matter" [the organisation] when people take the knee.

    People think that "black lives matter" [the principle] when people take the knee.
    Yes. Much as very large numbers of people are fans of looking after the environment, but wouldn't vote Green in a million years.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,575
    LadyG said:

    Didn't they just dissolve when someone chucked sea water on them? Or is that the aliens from War of the Worlds? Or the huge cockroach in Quatermass and the Pit? It was a long time ago and I was tiny

    I never really rated the Triffids anyway. A bunch of perambulating aspidistras taking over the world. Yeah, right

    The Midwich Cuckoos? They were truly unnerving
    I think you’re confusing the book with the 1962 film, which was not really related to it and unlike the book is more or less forgotten.

    The book ends very differently.

    ‘Our hopes all centre here now. It seems unlikely anything will come of Torrance’s neo-feudal plan although his settlements still exist with the inhabitants leading, so we hear, lives of misery and squalor behind their stockades. There are not so many of them as there were, though: Ivan frequently reports another has been overrun and the triffids surrounding it have dispersed to join other sieges.
    So we must regard the task ahead as ours alone. We think now that we can see the way, but there is still a lot of work and research to be done before the day when we, or our children, or their children, will cross the narrow straits on the great crusade to drive the triffids back and back with ceaseless destruction until we have wiped the last one of them from the face of the land they have usurped.’
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Considering that black people are being slaughtered at an alarming rate in every large American city going by other black people, would it not make more sense to defund the criminals instead?

    i wasnt commenting on efficacy of the policy, merely the pointlessness of complaining about miscommunication arising from a shitty slogan.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    Yes. Much as very large numbers of people are fans of looking after the environment, but wouldn't vote Green in a million years.
    Or how people are conservative not Conservative.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,761

    Given the problems Leicester, Liverpool, London and Wales have had its not been the best of adverts for Labour government.
    10/10, the best trolling I've seen all week.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247
    kle4 said:

    As early as that? What qualified as high rise at the time?
    I think you will find the Romans were there first with apartment blocks. 9 stories were not unheard of.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    kle4 said:

    As early as that? What qualified as high rise at the time?
    Sorry - was thinking of 1600s so should have put 17th century. Up to 5-7 storeys at that time I believe.

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,610

    Nope. Half the population (2.5m) lives in Greater Glasgow, which is a relatively small geographical area.

    Of course England has several such metropolitan areas. But I am not sure what was being different as early as April to explain such a rapid tail-off.
    According to Eurostat, Glasgow doesn't even fall in this list https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Average_space_per_inhabitant_in_selected_metropolitan_regions,_2013_(¹)_(m²_per_inhabitant)_Cities16.png
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247
    Sandpit said:

    Did the rapes in Rotherham get as far as the CPS, or was that shut down by the local bill and the council?
    It came out in the various enquiries (and elsewhere) that the situation was known from on the ground in the various agencies, up to MPs and ministers. That is why no-one in the system has been punished. Too many heads would roll.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    According to Eurostat, Glasgow doesn't even fall in this list https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Average_space_per_inhabitant_in_selected_metropolitan_regions,_2013_(¹)_(m²_per_inhabitant)_Cities16.png
    Check the definition of Glasgow. Infamously modified to avoid rich suburbs having to pay their fair share.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,531

    10/10, the best trolling I've seen all week.
    My thanks.

    Its always nice to be successful by accident.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    I think you will find the Romans were there first with apartment blocks. 9 stories were not unheard of.
    Indeed. Edinburgh got up to 14 in the old days, in the 18th/19th centuries (perhaps on the downhill side given the crag and tail topography, much les on the street frontage).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    If the South wasn't fighting for slavery, why did Alexander Stephens, The Vice President of the Confederacy think it was?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

    Yes, the idea that The South wasn't fighting for Slavery is Lost Cause revisionist bollocks. Every confederate state made itnabintly clear thedor reason for succession was slavery in their notices.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Carnyx said:

    Sorry - was thinking of 1600s so should have put 17th century. Up to 5-7 storeys at that time I believe.

    You're wrong, anyway.

    The ancient city of Sana'a, Yemen, has many famous residential towers dating from the 11th century


    https://www.akdn.org/architecture/project/conservation-old-sanaa

    https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/385/#:~:text=This religious and political heritage,the beauty of the site.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,163
    Argh
    LadyG said:

    THIS is a bit strange.

    Covid deaths are markedly down today, across the world.

    Surely just coincidence. Unless this bug is suddenly collapsing like the Triffids.

    It's a Monday.

    Though maybe there's an effect from dexamethasone being widely used as a treatment.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620
    LadyG said:

    You're wrong, anyway.

    The ancient city of Sana'a, Yemen, has many famous residential towers dating from the 11th century


    https://www.akdn.org/architecture/project/conservation-old-sanaa

    https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/385/#:~:text=This religious and political heritage,the beauty of the site.
    Oh, those are lovely.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    edited June 2020

    I think you will find the Romans were there first with apartment blocks. 9 stories were not unheard of.
    Yes, the Romans too. Amazingly you can still find one or two. Rome is incredible.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,692
    LadyG said:

    You're wrong, anyway.

    The ancient city of Sana'a, Yemen, has many famous residential towers dating from the 11th century


    https://www.akdn.org/architecture/project/conservation-old-sanaa

    https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/385/#:~:text=This religious and political heritage,the beauty of the site.
    It's good to have the old SeanT back :)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247
    LadyG said:

    Didn't they just dissolve when someone chucked sea water on them? Or is that the aliens from War of the Worlds? Or the huge cockroach in Quatermass and the Pit? It was a long time ago and I was tiny

    I never really rated the Triffids anyway. A bunch of perambulating aspidistras taking over the world. Yeah, right

    The Midwich Cuckoos? They were truly unnerving
    The seawater thing was from the very bad film of the Day of The Triffids.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Yes. Much as very large numbers of people are fans of looking after the environment, but wouldn't vote Green in a million years.
    That's an excellent example.

    When David Cameron said "Vote Blue, Go Green" he wasn't associating himself with the nuttiest Marxists of the Greens.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    LadyG said:

    Didn't they just dissolve when someone chucked sea water on them? Or is that the aliens from War of the Worlds? Or the huge cockroach in Quatermass and the Pit? It was a long time ago and I was tiny

    I never really rated the Triffids anyway. A bunch of perambulating aspidistras taking over the world. Yeah, right

    The Midwich Cuckoos? They were truly unnerving
    The opening chapter of day of the triffids is exceptional. The eerie calm of a silent London is magnificently described.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    LadyG said:

    THIS is a bit strange.

    Covid deaths are markedly down today, across the world.

    Surely just coincidence. Unless this bug is suddenly collapsing like the Triffids.

    The virus will probably die out by itself over the comings weeks and months.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221

    Argh

    It's a Monday.

    Though maybe there's an effect from dexamethasone being widely used as a treatment.
    Yes, that was my unspoken hope. I didn't dare vocalise it. Maybe treatments really are kicking in, now
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Alistair said:

    The opening chapter of day of the triffids is exceptional. The eerie calm of a silent London is magnificently described.
    Fair enough. Haven't read it. It's just the silly movie I remember.

    Quatermass and the Pit was far superior, from that era. Scared the bejasus out of me, even with its terrible special effects. Hob's End!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Alistair said:

    The opening chapter of day of the triffids is exceptional. The eerie calm of a silent London is magnificently described.
    A literary masterpiece.
  • LadyGLadyG Posts: 2,221
    Carnyx said:

    Oh, those are lovely.
    They are surely the oldest surviving high rise housing still in use. The Roman ones are all shells.

    I have never been and yearn to go. Tragically some of these exquisite buildings have been damaged in Yemen's terrible wars. But, one hopes, they can be repaired.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,823
    I have to say, in the government's position I'd be being much more cynical about the virus reporting, I'd be separating out care homes and putting infections and deaths in care homes into a separately reported category to update once a week and report community cases/deaths only on a daily basis. It would halve the reported daily death and new infections rate at a stroke and bury the care homes news to once a week, do it on a Friday and no one will read about it.

    As I've said many, many times what happens in care homes is not relevant to the wider community and should be treated almost as a separate case with different controls and procedures in place, a level 5 lockdown of care homes should definitely be in place while the wider community is closer to a level 2 lockdown.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    A literary masterpiece.
    A startlingly large number of flamethrowers in military stockpiles though.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    Who cares about little things like general election results?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,151

    For those not fans of Gove - "know your enemy" - this is the steel upon which Boris' fluff will be draped tomorrow.

    It isn't though

    https://twitter.com/MatthewOToole2/status/1277353982537674759
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,531
    Here's a theory.

    The spread of covid in the 'sunbelt' of the USA shows the dangers of having a lockdown too early.

    Every place has its ability to tolerate a lockdown only to its own particular level though its own economic and social circumstances.

    And you don't want to 'use' that lockdown tolerance until you need it.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    According to Eurostat, Glasgow doesn't even fall in this list https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Average_space_per_inhabitant_in_selected_metropolitan_regions,_2013_(¹)_(m²_per_inhabitant)_Cities16.png
    “ selected metropolitan regions”

    Note the word selected.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,761

    My thanks.

    Its always nice to be successful by accident.
    It's just perfect. A bouquet of partisanship, feigned ignorance and clear unfamiliarity with the governance of the UK's public health infrastructure brings a tear to the eye and bile to the throat.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,692
    Andy_JS said:

    Who cares about little things like general election results?
    How many people voted for Cummings?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,531
    Andy_JS said:

    Who cares about little things like general election results?
    Some people think democracy should be only a facade to fool the proles.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    edited June 2020
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,247
    Andy_JS said:

    Who cares about little things like general election results?
    Democracy should only be allowed when it produces results the Great And The Good accept.
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