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  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    edited June 2020

    I sense the police and the black community would both be in a better place if the gangs were not fabulously enriched by the thriving illegal drugs trade.

    Instead of defunding the police why not defund the gangs by legalising more banned substances.

    Its something Black Lives Matter sould be calling for, if they really cared about black lives.

  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,930
    If we crash out of the EU without any agreement, I wonder how people will reflect on Boris's 'oven-ready Brexit'? True, Boris was referring to the withdrawal agreement, but many would have presumed - and indeed Boris did nothing to dispel the notion - that our future economic, legal and political relationship with the EU was signed and sealed and everything would be hunky dory. A crash out might furrow a few brows.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 64,786
    Scott_xP said:

    Worst death toll

    Worst economic numbers in history

    What is BoZo's priority today?

    A fucking statue

    Like his hero...

    https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1271421033426403328

    BoZo wants a "beautiful picture" before he hides again
    You sound like Junckers after a tipple
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304
    edited June 2020
    isam said:

    I don't see why there is an obligation for any broadcaster to make old shows that it no longer deems appropriate, accessible. Fans of Fawlty Towers, I guess I am kind of one, although not obsessive as I tend to be over shows I really like, have seen it countless times before, and can buy the DVD if they so wish. Until the last few years it was very unusual to be able to watch any episode, of any show, whenever you liked on tv, and if the broadcasters decide not to carry some that contain language that is even less palatable now than it was 40 years ago, so be it really, in my view.
    Yes, I think this is becoming well overblown and (worse) a distraction from the issue.

    OTOH, we do not want to be constantly and forever fiddling around with old movies and TV shows.

    OTOH, the right of everybody to have freely available on streaming the exact unadulterated original version of every old film and TV show is hardly sacrosanct.

    Let's just crack on with getting rid of some of the more dodgy statues. Still just 2 removed, as far as I know. Surely there are a few more that ought to go?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,089
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1271424592335298565

    What does Paul Waugh know about stories?

    The PB Tories will soon put him right...
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,639
    edited June 2020

    'I can easily visualise your face over your computer screen trying desperately to defend the indefensible.'

    Funny, that's exactly how I picture you when you encounter someone who refuses to swallow your woke propaganda wholesale.

    I'm afraid the revolution ain't gonna fly, comrade. And yes, I do trust the police more than a movement that has already committed violence and vandalism - call me old-fashioned like that!
    Ah yes, the police, who never lie, never fit anyone up, never destroy the lives of people they think "might" have committed a crime, never do any wrong. The police in this country have killed exponentially more innocent people than BLM who have killed...who exactly in the UK?

    Anyway, it's not the police who made the claim. It's a police association. And the Black Protest Legal Support has not committed any violence or vandalism. The only thing they have in common with BLM is that they have the word "black" in the title. What is it about Black Protest Legal Support that makes you think that it has committed "violence and vandalism"? Unless of course you think that black people are, as a group, committing "violence and vandalism". Is that the case?

    This isn't Marxism, much as you would like to paint it as such, and there is no revolution. Just people trying to make sure other people treat them like human beings. And you oppose that simple thing - which is absolutely remarkable.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Where do I say I want no deal

    The nonsense of going on forever locked in a stagnant negotiation has concluded and both sides know the end is in sight and it comes at just the time Merkel takes over the EU presidency

    I have high hopes for a September October deal

    But being a conservative you are by nature an optimist
    I agree with you. Brexiteers always said Merkel was the power behind the EU and would seal the deal, now that Merkel will be holding the EU presidency it would be absurd not to get this all dealt with now and to extend instead.

    Merkel will be happy to be responsible for getting the deal - and doing so while she holds the rotating Presidency gives her cover for not stepping on anyone else's toes.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,089
    Another journalist who has no idea what isn't a story...

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1271426028867649536
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,005
    Stocky said:

    There is equivocation here over the meaning of "no deal". No Deal, remember, was us leaving the EU with no transition period. In the end a deal was found and we avoided a no deal exit and went into a transition period.

    Then, the No Deal definition was changed to mean No Trade Deal. These are not the same things.
    No, 'No Deal' meant only WTO - and it still does.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,976
    nico67 said:

    Bozo thinks it’s a good time for a photo op looking tough on the protests !

    Back to his bunker for another week, job done !

    Time to unleash the Thompson?


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    edited June 2020

    I think it was possible, maybe still is, but I am not at all sure this last weeks events and boarding up the Cenotaph and Churchill will play well for labour
    Crossover not for a while yet. It will stabilise before the Conservatives drop like a stone later in the year.

    Temporarily boarding up the Cenotaph and Churchill monument is a sensible move from Khan to prevent an expensive repair bill. I personally abhore any criminal damage of property. I am not sure how criminal damage reflects on the Labour Party, particularly as most sensible key Labour politicians, having condemned racism have also condemned the way the Colston statue, for example, was removed.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Celebrating the prospect of disorder, chaos, pain and suffering? The new normal for Conservatives.

    Now that they've blooded themselves with tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, they're properly warmed up for what for them is the main event.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,976
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,089

    Temporarily boarding up the Cenotaph and Churchill monument is a sensible move from Khan to prevent an expensive repair bill. I personally abhore any criminal damage of property. I am not sure how criminal damage reflects on the Labour Party, particularly as most sensible key Labour politicians, having condemned racism have also condemned the way the Colston statue, for example, was removed.

    BoZo is getting his share of the blame

    https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1271417762498457600
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Scott_xP said:

    Another journalist who has no idea what isn't a story...

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1271426028867649536

    Oh Scott, you tried your best but you lost.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Fantastic news, a good day for democracy and reason. Plenty of time to nail down an agreement.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    kinabalu said:

    Are the Millwall Bushwackers fundamentally opposed to all facets of Marxism?

    Or do they feel that while it has some useful insights it is not a recipe for good government in a modern European nation or indeed anywhere else?

    This is what I want to know.
    God that dates me - they were F-troop when I were a lad.

    (Not that kind of lad, obvs.)
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,930
    Stocky said:

    There is equivocation here over the meaning of "no deal". No Deal, remember, was us leaving the EU with no transition period. In the end a deal was found and we avoided a no deal exit and went into a transition period.

    Then, the No Deal definition was changed to mean No Trade Deal. These are not the same things.
    'No Deal' meant no withdrawal agreement. A good withdrawal agreement, it was proclaimed, would make a future trading relationship all the easier. The political turmoil that surrounded the WA looks like a lot of wasted energy in hindsight.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,244
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited June 2020
    IanB2 said:



    You need to pay more attention. We started with the benefit of the Italian experience to learn from, and newly elected government with very strong support. We will end with one of the worst death rates in the world.

    That is correct. We should have done better.

    However, it seems very clear from the modelling that is in the public domain from March/April that it is the scientists who screwed up. The lockdown was delayed because they thought pandemic was spreading more slowly and would peak in the Summer.

    I have a lot of sympathy for the scientists involved -- however, it does seem clear that the modelling of the early spread of the pandemic was quite wrong. The scientists on SAGE did not subject the modelling to sufficient scrutiny.

    Their error had substantial consequences.

    Hard to say what should happen -- the scientists contributed their expertise in the belief that they were helping the country, so i don't feel comfortable with blaming them -- but unfortunately they are to blame.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,755

    Exactly
    And yet if they were white and blue eyed and from the right school it would have been on all the front pages.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,838
    Pulpstar said:

    I don't think the 2 metre guidance should be dropped for instance in the supermarket queue just because restaurant tables might be spaced closer.
    You're heading to the supermarket because you need to, the restaurant because you want to. An important distinction.
    For two and a half months we've been told that if people come closer than 2m there is a risk of infection.

    I wonder what is quite so difficult to grasp about the fact that if people think others are going to come closer than that, they are going to feel less safe and will be less likely to go to the shops.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 37,089
    Brom said:

    Oh Scott, you tried your best but you lost.

    Everyone in the country who values truth, honesty and integrity lost.

    But you're a winner...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,448

    No, 'No Deal' meant only WTO - and it still does.
    No, No Deal meant more than that.

    The current Deal accepts the divorce payments, right to remain of UK and EU citizens, and the Irish protocol puts Customs in the Irish Sea. It is a lot more than just WTO going forward.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Scott_xP said:

    Everyone in the country who values truth, honesty and integrity lost.

    But you're a winner...
    I am a winner and Brexit is happening. I'm sure there's some lies on twitter you can retweet as you stomp your feet. :wink:
  • eekeek Posts: 29,399
    Foxy said:

    No, No Deal meant more than that.

    The current Deal accepts the divorce payments, right to remain of UK and EU citizens, and the Irish protocol puts Customs in the Irish Sea. It is a lot more than just WTO going forward.
    Yep No Deal is just about the worst of all possible outcomes, it's the one were everyone gets to dictate exactly what we can and can't do.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,821

    Celebrating the prospect of disorder, chaos, pain and suffering? The new normal for Conservatives.

    Now that they've blooded themselves with tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, they're properly warmed up for what for them is the main event.
    We will leave the EU? Haven't we left?
    It is @RochdalePioneers magic bullet.
    We leave the EU things will get better.
    We left the EU and they haven't.
    Obviously therefore we haven't left.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited June 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    Everyone in the country who values truth, honesty and integrity lost.

    But you're a winner...
    Why don't you just retweet some more nonsense? It was super effective in stopping both Brexit and Boris after all...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,915
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    edited June 2020
    This already feels like the Summer of Sam but potentially there is a serial killer on the lose in London, and Im surprised by the lack of press attention. Perhaps for the media and protesters black lives don't really matter as much as getting rid of statues.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53023036
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Andy_JS said:
    Can't afford to lose at the moment, but that is an interesting comparion with his ~40% chance of the presidency.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,399
    Short and to the point https://twitter.com/TheScepticIsle/status/1271429741107650561

    It's what I've spent the last 18 months planning for.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304
    edited June 2020

    It would, but it wasn’t what the episode was about.

    I think either carrying a heavy warning at the start, or editing that particular bit out, before reinstating it would be acceptable to most.

    Exactly. It was not what the episode was about but it WAS why the episode was being flagged as needing (as you say and I agree) an edit or a warning. Which btw had already been done years ago - just that UKTV were behind the curve.

    So the trouble was, the way the story was presented - Fawlty Towers 'Don't Mention The War' episode to be pulled - means lots of people got the idea that Political Correctness had gorn sooo mad we would no longer be allowed to watch Basil and his hilarious German shenanigans.

    And I bet you loads of people still think that. Because the likes of Nigel Farage will certainly not be dis-abusing them of it.

    And so it goes. On and on and on and on.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Brom said:

    I am a winner and Brexit is happening. I'm sure there's some lies on twitter you can retweet as you stomp your feet. :wink:
    If you really think Brexit will resemble anything particularly different from our existing EU membership then either you have not been paying attention, or you really are as dumb as the rest of the loonies and fruitcakes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,244
    This article, around three months old, has aged pretty well.

    I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,644
    edited June 2020
    Tres said:

    And yet if they were white and blue eyed and from the right school it would have been on all the front pages.
    When would it have been on all the front pages? Not for any of the days when there was nothing to report. ETA and they are both adults so schools (which are closed anyway) have nothing to do with it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,448
    https://twitter.com/JacqEHoward/status/1271159896919203841?s=19

    Not a solution for everybody, but for a previously fit twenty something female...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    Scott_xP said:

    BoZo is getting his share of the blame

    https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1271417762498457600
    When I saw the tweet was from Richard Tice, I felt a moment of solidarity with Johnson.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613
    Chris said:

    For two and a half months we've been told that if people come closer than 2m there is a risk of infection.

    I wonder what is quite so difficult to grasp about the fact that if people think others are going to come closer than that, they are going to feel less safe and will be less likely to go to the shops.
    Exactly, and it is also both true (on the basis of research) and self-evidently so.

    What too many people, and especiallyu the apologists for the Tory MPs, forget is that air currents modify the actual risk beyond what has already been reported. Even indoors, 1m is a lot less safe than 2m. The relative risk may be variable, but I'm not going to risk my life to some publican or shopkeeper's dodgy aircon or someone opening the door.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,399
    edited June 2020
    TOPPING said:

    If you really think Brexit will resemble anything particularly different from our existing EU membership then either you have not been paying attention, or you really are as dumb as the rest of the loonies and fruitcakes.
    Why do you expect things to remain as they were - they won't as the EU will do everything they can to score points and make things difficult where they can...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585

    Why don't you just retweet some more nonsense? It was super effective in stopping both Brexit and Boris after all...
    Hopefully the secondary schools will open soon, so you can take your petty trolling back to the playground where it belongs.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    TOPPING said:

    If you really think Brexit will resemble anything particularly different from our existing EU membership then either you have not been paying attention, or you really are as dumb as the rest of the loonies and fruitcakes.
    How mad must those 10 billion people who marched against it and all the FBPE fanatics on twitter be then if they're getting angry over nothing? You should probably tell James O'Brien too while you're at it that nothing is changing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304
    Andy_JS said:
    That's a spectacular lay.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,005
    Foxy said:

    No, No Deal meant more than that.

    The current Deal accepts the divorce payments, right to remain of UK and EU citizens, and the Irish protocol puts Customs in the Irish Sea. It is a lot more than just WTO going forward.
    Wasn't "the divorce payments, right to remain of UK and EU citizens, and the Irish protocol puts Customs in the Irish Sea" in the 'Withdrawal Aggreement'?
    No Deal means what we have if the UK and EU don't reach a deal, i.e. WTO.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,976
    We're now officially a cosplay nation. I fully expect the Democratic Football Lads Alliance to dress up as Restoration gentlemen slavers in response to the next terrorist outrage.

    https://twitter.com/bsgorrie/status/1271425180875833344?s=20
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Looking into the middle distance, lawyers are going very cool on the idea of commuting into offices, both now and in the medium term:

    https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-five-out-ten-lawyers-want-work-home-good

    I really wouldn't like to be invested in commercial property for the while.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,644
    Foxy said:

    https://twitter.com/JacqEHoward/status/1271159896919203841?s=19

    Not a solution for everybody, but for a previously fit twenty something female...

    Bad news for the donor, we must not forget. RIP.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited June 2020

    Hopefully the secondary schools will open soon, so you can take your petty trolling back to the playground where it belongs.
    Uh-huh. I actually bother to make a reasoned argument in my own words as opposed to just reposting hundreds of smears off Twitter as certain posters do. That kind of petty trolling barely passes the Turing Test!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    If you really think Brexit will resemble anything particularly different from our existing EU membership then either you have not been paying attention, or you really are as dumb as the rest of the loonies and fruitcakes.
    Then you must have no concerns about Brexit then? What was the big deal?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    We're now officially a cosplay nation. I fully expect the Democratic Football Lads Alliance to dress up as Restoration gentlemen slavers in response to the next terrorist outrage.

    https://twitter.com/bsgorrie/status/1271425180875833344?s=20

    There's a certain sort of old man who has never stopped playing with his woggle.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,005
    Brom said:

    Oh Scott, you tried your best but you lost.
    You do realise he was posting about Covid-19 and Cummings, don't you?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    eek said:

    Why do you expect things to remain as they were - they won't as the EU will do everything they can to score points and make things difficult where they can...
    They will force on us terms which we will no longer have a say in. That much is obvious. Our U-turn today is one such of those conditions.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,004

    We're now officially a cosplay nation. I fully expect the Democratic Football Lads Alliance to dress up as Restoration gentlemen slavers in response to the next terrorist outrage.

    https://twitter.com/bsgorrie/status/1271425180875833344?s=20

    I did suggest a group Antifa/Riot police skit amongst my friends at Amecon one year.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,930

    There's a certain sort of old man who has never stopped playing with his woggle.
    Are they actual Scouts or part of that breakaway movement from a few decades ago, the one that saw retaining short trousers as a major issue?
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,507

    Bad news for the donor, we must not forget. RIP.
    Extra bonus: A picture of the state of her original lungs. (Look down the replies for some pictures of what a healthy lung used in an organ transplant looks like.)

    https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status/1271054835702468609

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    edited June 2020
    eadric said:

    They're now scared they're gonna get the shit kicked out of them. As they will, eventually. The mood out there is murderous, I have leftwing friends demanding the blood of protestors.

    Weirdly, it seems to be the TV stuff, that has pushed people over the edge.
    What an odd post. You either dreampt that first paragraph, or you have some peculiar leftwing friends.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    You do realise he was posting about Covid-19 and Cummings, don't you?
    Because he's a fanatic who can't get over the fact that Cummings won and he lost the Brexit referendum, not because he actually cares about COVID19.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    edited June 2020

    Then you must have no concerns about Brexit then? What was the big deal?
    It has already cost billions. I don't think much will change save for us being poorer. Not in all probability catastrophically so, but poorer. 2p on beer and fags. No one notices, largely, but people have less money.

    Billions also in foregone FDI; billions in plans that may or may not be needed.

    A huge opportunity cost but most Leavers are too dim to understand the concept of opportunity cost.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,976
    Pulpstar said:

    I did suggest a group Antifa/Riot police skit amongst my friends at Amecon one year.
    A bit risky in today's climate, you could get pile ins from both sides of the divide.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Brom said:

    How mad must those 10 billion people who marched against it and all the FBPE fanatics on twitter be then if they're getting angry over nothing? You should probably tell James O'Brien too while you're at it that nothing is changing.
    As mentioned, the terms of our trade and relations will not change too much, save for everything will henceforth be done on the EU's terms (witness the u-turn today).

    And the opportunity cost has been huge but as I said, Leavers don't generally deal in concepts and I suppose if they can't drop it on their foot it doesn't really exist.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    Are they actual Scouts or part of that breakaway movement from a few decades ago, the one that saw retaining short trousers as a major issue?
    I wondered about that too, but the official movement does allow 'navy blue shorts' if the unit in question wishes. So I'm not sure.

    https://www.scouts.org.uk/por/10-uniform-badges-and-emblems/#10.14
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304
    TOPPING said:

    God that dates me - they were F-troop when I were a lad.

    (Not that kind of lad, obvs.)
    Yes. Name change. But for cosmetic reasons only. Retained all the essentials.

    Just like Marathon to Snickers. :smile:
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    eadric said:

    <

    If you an expert and your expertise earns you money, power or prestige, then you must equally accept the blame, and suffer adverse consequences, when your so-called expertise is proven to be anything but.

    These scientists got it badly wrong. Their careers should end, and they should be replaced by better scientists.

    Let's start with Jonathan "masks are useless" Van Tam.

    Van Tam is employed by the NHS as Deputy Chief Medical Officer (I think)

    Scientists employed by Universities (most of SAGE) don't have to work for SAGE.

    The Govt can't "end the careers" of the scientists like Neil Ferguson because he is not employed by the Govt.

    The kind of retribution you are proposing means that your Government will end up with no scientific advice.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,165

    We're now officially a cosplay nation. I fully expect the Democratic Football Lads Alliance to dress up as Restoration gentlemen slavers in response to the next terrorist outrage.

    https://twitter.com/bsgorrie/status/1271425180875833344?s=20

    What a pair of twats.

    I am going to Aldi on a horse dressed as Subcomandante Marcos.

    This country has driven itself insane.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,556
    Just as well I have a 2.30pm meeting.

    :smile:
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,244
    First they came for our choke holds...

    https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1271371929509695488
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,448

    There's a certain sort of old man who has never stopped playing with his woggle.
    I was never a scout as a boy as my dad didn't approve of the militarism and jingoism, but I think it has moved away from all that over recent decades. Fox Jr enjoyed it, and even became Troop Leader.

    BP was a man of his time, and much of his philosophy hasn't aged well.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,644

    We're now officially a cosplay nation. I fully expect the Democratic Football Lads Alliance to dress up as Restoration gentlemen slavers in response to the next terrorist outrage.

    https://twitter.com/bsgorrie/status/1271425180875833344?s=20

    Shades of PG Wodehouse teasing Spodes' black trousers brigade
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    As mentioned, the terms of our trade and relations will not change too much, save for everything will henceforth be done on the EU's terms (witness the u-turn today).

    And the opportunity cost has been huge but as I said, Leavers don't generally deal in concepts and I suppose if they can't drop it on their foot it doesn't really exist.
    I think the opposite will happen and remain confident the UK will outgrow the Eurozone over the course of this decade.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    Nigelb said:
    If Ms second from right gets le boot from the gendarmerie at least she has a career in Greta's house of Correction.
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    eadric said:

    It was a brilliant piece of news management by the Imperial Overlords Matter right. Get the BLM fools to over-reach, or get their fellow travellers to over-react, then make sure the over-reaction is seen in the worst possible light.

    Whatever the truth, everyone now thinks the most loved Fawlty Towers episode in the universe was pulled because idiotic and hysterical lefties thought it was nasty to Germans, and also because they BLMers just hate humour.

    Superb.
    Would you even describe editing the episode as an overreaction?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304

    I suspect now that the government will largely fold, as it did in 2019. This will be proclaimed a triumph, as it was in 2019. The difference is that Tory MPs will have more time to absorb what has been agreed to.
    A virtual certainty imo.

    And I think Johnson can sell it so long as FM is (at least technically) ended.
  • I think the opposite will happen and remain confident the UK will outgrow the Eurozone over the course of this decade.
    With no external tarrif barrier the UK's home industries will be undermind by cheaper competitors abroad. Without the ability to set its own tarrifs the UK is now naked from an international trade perspective.

    Great if you like cheap Prosecco and BMWs, bad if you like UK manufactered equivalents and disastrous if you work in those industries.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,004
    kinabalu said:

    A virtual certainty imo.

    And I think Johnson can sell it so long as FM is (at least technically) ended.
    I bloody well hope we do fold ! The alternative of WTO tariffs with the EU whole world will beggar us beyond belief.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613
    Foxy said:

    I was never a scout as a boy as my dad didn't approve of the militarism and jingoism, but I think it has moved away from all that over recent decades. Fox Jr enjoyed it, and even became Troop Leader.

    BP was a man of his time, and much of his philosophy hasn't aged well.
    The Cub Scouts had a requirement to keep a Royal Family scrapbook. I remember an Akela whom I knew admitting to me that that wasn't aging very well either in the late 1980s with the news of thje RF's indiscretions. No idea if they still have to do it.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    Shades of PG Wodehouse teasing Spodes' black trousers brigade
    Why do they have nooses around their necks?
  • kinabalu said:

    A virtual certainty imo.

    And I think Johnson can sell it so long as FM is (at least technically) ended.
    The government U-turn on external tariffs does point in that direction. Its a shame that while they are as brain-dead as a I thought they were they are far more cowardly. Hobbling along under the same trading terms but without the membership blinds the public to the true situation.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613
    eadric said:

    Then let him be ritually disgraced in a public square, and smeared with dung. 60,000 have died. If the politicians are going to shoulder blame, and they should, then so must the advisers who got it so wrong.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Van-Tam


    It's notable that Van Tam is an expert in.... influenza. That's his whole life's work: influenza, and the breeding, spreading, treatment and containment thereof.

    One of the major flaws in our handling of this virus from the start was the presumption that it was another form of influenza.

    He really is one of the guilty men.
    Inb fairness, it might be the other way round - they decided influenza was the model du jour and picked him on that basis.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,613

    Why do they have nooses around their necks?
    Whistles.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192

    Please cool it. This thread has got very bad tempered and not in the normal spirit of PB. I don't want to start slapping bans on people but I will do if this continues

    Wow! What have I missed???
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    edited June 2020
    Rapper Gucci Mane has claimed he is leaving his longtime label, Atlantic Records, calling them "polite racist". In a message posted on Twitter, he also branded the label's employees "crackers" - a disparaging term for white people.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-53020594

    "Disparaging term", is that a bit like 27 police injured at a peaceful protest. Its a racist term, simple as.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,585
    eadric said:

    I received a long ranting email this morning, and several similar frothing Whatsapp messages last night. All lefties.

    Hopefully its all froth and hot air. We don't want to see that kind of behaviour from anyone this weekend.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,448
    CatMan said:
    A rare example of TV comedy that has aged well. It is not as if we didn't know what was going on in those days.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,959
    Moment hero workmen and Deliveroo rider pin suspect to the ground after Hasidic Jew in his 50s is stabbed on London street

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8414225/Hasidic-Jewish-man-stabbed-hate-crime-North-London.html
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,304
    edited June 2020

    I struggle with the concept of an organisation called Black Lives Matter than isn't really about black lives mattering.

    If it was about black lives mattering would actually be asking the police to come down far more heavily on the black people cutting a swathe through black communities of America in a well documented explosion of violence and murder that far outweighs anything anybody in the white community could do,

    Instead black lives matter is facilitating the acceleration of that explosion by what we see in Mineapolis and Seattle. Chicago too. The protests coincided with a bloodbath of black on black murders there last week end.
    Then I guess your mind would cope a little easier if they were called "Against White Cops Murdering Black Men."

    Something like that. More specific. More literal. More auditable even.

    I'll let them know.
  • Because they have no choice: the facilites and staff aren't there and won't be in time.

    They can either attempt to charge tarrifs and watch the products rot in the queue or wave them through.

    They chose the latter, sensibly as a starving population probably isn't very interested in the minutiae of tarriff agreements but thanks to WTO MFN rules they now must wave through ALL cargo at ports and so no tarrifs will be collected and there will be no controls over what comes in.

    So the full slogan was "(Let the French) Take Back Control (of your borders)"
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