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We are just over 3 years and 10 months from May 2nd 2024 which is the final date that the next general election can be held. That’s the time that the new Labour leader, Keir Starmer, has got in order to put himself into position where LAB can take enough seats to make the party electorally competitive.
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They might be positive about Starmer, but will they vote for him? I don't think they will.
I think he's getting good ratings as a leader of the opposition, not as a potential PM.0 -
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Best they vote LibDem, to be honest.0
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As Starmer has refused to back a transition period I cannot see Brexit even being in the mix in 20241
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I don't think you've quite got the hang of this, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:First
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Mr. T, I hadn't heard the anosmia one.
Interestingly, the axon sheaths of myelin are thinner in psychopaths, but psychopathology is very much a male thing (there are female psychopaths but they're much rarer). yet women have thinner myelin sheaths than men as standard. I always wondered why that was.0 -
Vote Layla - it's the future!SouthamObserver said:Best they vote LibDem, to be honest.
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The polling numbers otherwise. Generally incumbents have a huge advantage in Best PM ratings. The latest has Starmer just 1% behindFlatlander said:They might be positive about Starmer, but will they vote for him? I don't think they will.
I think he's getting good ratings as a leader of the opposition, not as a potential PM.0 -
You mean like the Championship is for WatfordAve_it said:
Vote Layla - it's the future!SouthamObserver said:Best they vote LibDem, to be honest.
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Not sure Johnson will be the runner for the Tories in 2024.0
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He's a firm believer in zero-indexing.Nigelb said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of this, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:First
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There was something poignant about that.Nigelb said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of this, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:First
I think those 1st 2 posts should be swapped around if that is possible?0 -
kinabalu said:
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A total absence of empathy is the single most defining characteristic. The glib charm and/or high intelligence is typically present in those who are 'high functioning' but there are thick, obnoxious psychos. Or let me put it this way, if you meet a thick, obnoxious individual do not go assuming they are not a psychopath. It could save your life.
The thick ones tend to be in and out of jail and are easy to spot. It's the clever ones you need to avoid. Surgeons and CEOs have a high prevalence.
I think its good life advice in general to try and avoid surgeons and CEOs!!1 -
It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.0
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Has Starmer killed off the Lib Dems? For my money there is enough far left energy within the party to make a few Liberals steer clear and keep hold of a few seats for the yellows.0
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Runner up 😀😀😀😀😀Big_G_NorthWales said:First
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Hopefully not. Looking forward to collecting the 3 points off Burnley soonMikeSmithson said:
You mean like the Championship is for WatfordAve_it said:
Vote Layla - it's the future!SouthamObserver said:Best they vote LibDem, to be honest.
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Looks like itNigelb said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of this, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:First
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The one I knew was male. And tall, he was quite tall. And indeed Austrian.Morris_Dancer said:FPT:
Mr. T, I hadn't heard the anosmia one.
Interestingly, the axon sheaths of myelin are thinner in psychopaths, but psychopathology is very much a male thing (there are female psychopaths but they're much rarer). yet women have thinner myelin sheaths than men as standard. I always wondered why that was.0 -
I'd vote for that, but it would be setting a precedent of incalculable proportions.kinabalu said:
There was something poignant about that.Nigelb said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of this, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:First
I think those 1st 2 posts should be swapped around if that is possible?1 -
Starmer needs the LDs in the West Country and the South East to run the Tories down into hung parliament territory.Brom said:Has Starmer killed off the Lib Dems? For my money there is enough far left energy within the party to make a few Liberals steer clear and keep hold of a few seats for the yellows.
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The temerity to ask difficult questions of the government in a pandemic where we've been one of the worst performing nations on earth.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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The mutterings are getting louder. Tories are noting the recent comments of Patel and now Sunak after this offensive from the left.Pulpstar said:Not sure Johnson will be the runner for the Tories in 2024.
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The big test for the government and the opposition is still to come. If he is grown up about the decisions to come, I'll have a lot of respect for him. I wouldn't put much money on Labour being grown up about it, though.Pulpstar said:
The temerity to ask difficult questions of the government in a pandemic where we've been one of the worst performing nations on earth.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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Nothing to do with the left.contrarian said:
The mutterings are getting louder. Tories are noting the recent comments of Patel and now Sunak after this offensive from the left.Pulpstar said:Not sure Johnson will be the runner for the Tories in 2024.
All to do with his mishandling of Cummings and he lost me over that0 -
He has done nothing of the sort. He was generally supportive until the wheels came off Johnson's wagon. It is Starmer's job to call the government to account in order to prevent more people dying as a result of government complacency.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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Is the quality of Russian propaganda declining... or do they just know their market ?
https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/12703356855144038400 -
One is a necessary first step towards the other.Flatlander said:They might be positive about Starmer, but will they vote for him? I don't think they will.
I think he's getting good ratings as a leader of the opposition, not as a potential PM.
The subsequent steps might not be taken, Starmer might not be good enough, but taking the first step is as good as he could hope for two months into the job after the debacle of GE2019.0 -
We dont know that we have been the worst. I think there has been a lot of duplicity about the figures. Look at Russia for starters.Pulpstar said:
The temerity to ask difficult questions of the government in a pandemic where we've been one of the worst performing nations on earth.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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Very hard to do without it looking like a creepy masonic initiation of some kind isn't it? Not wholly successful, but decent attempt to look human doing it by Kier and Angela. The democrats in the scarves and masks looked truly horrifying.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/12703743884881674281 -
Well that must make it alright then.squareroot2 said:
We dont know that we have been the worst. I think there has been a lot of duplicity about the figures. Look at Russia for starters.Pulpstar said:
The temerity to ask difficult questions of the government in a pandemic where we've been one of the worst performing nations on earth.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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He seems to have triggered both the right and the left in the comments below, so I'm not going to complain.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/12703743884881674280 -
Agreed, but is it real? Some people might just be relieved not to see Corbyn there and will be inclined to be positive, especially if they are remainers, as you say. Votes, though? I don't know about that.MikeSmithson said:
The polling numbers otherwise. Generally incumbents have a huge advantage in Best PM ratings. The latest has Starmer just 1% behindFlatlander said:They might be positive about Starmer, but will they vote for him? I don't think they will.
I think he's getting good ratings as a leader of the opposition, not as a potential PM.
He'll eventually have to say more about what he'd do rather than picking holes in what the government is doing, which is where it gets more difficult.
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Yeah that image wont go down well with moderates. Cringe worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/12703743884881674280 -
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.2 -
England case numbers out - by specimen date we have -
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What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.0 -
https://xkcd.com/163/RobD said:
He's a firm believer in zero-indexing.Nigelb said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of this, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:First
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I just wish he had added...like Boris in 2024!Nigelb said:
I don't think you've quite got the hang of this, Big_G.Big_G_NorthWales said:First
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All racism is equal, but some is more equal than the rest.MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.0 -
How has he "lost" you? You would still vote tory in a hypothetical Johnson vs Starmer GE next week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nothing to do with the left.contrarian said:
The mutterings are getting louder. Tories are noting the recent comments of Patel and now Sunak after this offensive from the left.Pulpstar said:Not sure Johnson will be the runner for the Tories in 2024.
All to do with his mishandling of Cummings and he lost me over that2 -
It does seem like an odd qualifier, certainly. Hard to do these photo ops without it looking forced though.MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.0 -
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0 -
Apparently you can't say all racism is bad or all lives matter, think he's hoping someone might fall into the trap and let the twitter mob eat them up.rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.0 -
I am a conservative and will vote conservative but that does not mean I support Boris anymore than millions who voted labour supported CorbynDura_Ace said:
How has he "lost" you? You would still vote tory in a hypothetical Johnson vs Starmer GE next week.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Nothing to do with the left.contrarian said:
The mutterings are getting louder. Tories are noting the recent comments of Patel and now Sunak after this offensive from the left.Pulpstar said:Not sure Johnson will be the runner for the Tories in 2024.
All to do with his mishandling of Cummings and he lost me over that0 -
Is racism against black people worse than racism against Jews? I thought Labour had moved beyond this kind of stuff. I have to say this is incredibly disappointing.rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.0 -
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0 -
Shades of Livingstone after the London bombings - "It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners..."rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.0 -
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0 -
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Mostly been impressed by Starmer, excepting his stupid (though not yet fleshed out) ideas on devolution.
Not sure his capitulation photo-op will age well. A leader doesn't get on his knees before a mob of vandals.0 -
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0 -
Someone should write him a letter.rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.0 -
It's a bit like Theresa in the 'feminist t-shirt'. But I'd imagine this image is a bit more damaging to his brand as a level headed individual. The centre ground was crying out for Labour to move away from identity politics rather than embrace it.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.
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No it doesnt make it alright but i question the veracity of other countries figures...Mexicanpete said:
Well that must make it alright then.squareroot2 said:
We dont know that we have been the worst. I think there has been a lot of duplicity about the figures. Look at Russia for starters.Pulpstar said:
The temerity to ask difficult questions of the government in a pandemic where we've been one of the worst performing nations on earth.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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It looks like s misstep to me too. Maybe that is what it is and he just stumbled, otherwise he does look like a bit of a knob!Brom said:
Yeah that image wont go down well with moderates. Cringe worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
Happily, Johnson has made a career of looking a bit of a knob.1 -
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0 -
Like the eco-fascists organizers, the BLM movement organizers are about much more than having some statues removed and raising awareness of racism. They are very clear this is about overthrowing the capitalist system. No amount of extra electric cars, planting some trees and relocating some statues in museums will be anywhere near enough.2
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For the most part they are conveniently inacurate, as it would seem are ours.squareroot2 said:
No it doesnt make it alright but i question the veracity of other countries figures...Mexicanpete said:
Well that must make it alright then.squareroot2 said:
We dont know that we have been the worst. I think there has been a lot of duplicity about the figures. Look at Russia for starters.Pulpstar said:
The temerity to ask difficult questions of the government in a pandemic where we've been one of the worst performing nations on earth.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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Boris needs to absolutely nail him to the wall on this tomorrow and force Starmer into an unequivocal stand against all racism, not just racism against black people. Honestly I'm actually pretty mad about this, and usually these things don't bother me.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0 -
That is what I was trying to say, in an extremely ham-fisted way.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see. 0 -
Maybe some don't like being killed by policemen?FrancisUrquhart said:Like the eco-fascists organizers, the BLM movement organizers are about much more than having some statues removed and raising awareness of racism. They are very clear this is about overthrowing the capitalist system. No amount of extra electric cars, planting some trees and relocating some statues in museums will be anywhere near enough.
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K E I RLuckyguy1983 said:
Very hard to do without it looking like a creepy masonic initiation of some kind isn't it? Not wholly successful, but decent attempt to look human doing it by Kier and Angela. The democrats in the scarves and masks looked truly horrifying.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
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Boris problem attacking on this is his long laundry list of insensitive stuff he wrote in the past. I imagine PMQ is going to be very tricky for Boris as it doesn't take a lawyer to dig out a load of those comments and paint him as a racist.MaxPB said:
Boris needs to absolutely nail him to the wall on this tomorrow and force Starmer into an unequivocal stand against all racism, not just racism against black people. Honestly I'm actually pretty mad about this, and usually these things don't bother me.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.1 -
I'm 98% sure it is intentional at this point. And it really should be Sir Keir.Anabobazina said:
K E I RLuckyguy1983 said:
Very hard to do without it looking like a creepy masonic initiation of some kind isn't it? Not wholly successful, but decent attempt to look human doing it by Kier and Angela. The democrats in the scarves and masks looked truly horrifying.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
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Why can't PBers spell the Loto's name FFS?
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Only Brazil to Britain? If they're doing it alphabetically that's only Brazil and Britain.....FrancisUrquhart said:Brazil to Britain.
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I think it was Orwell who said that severing a people from its history is an absolutely key cornerstone for the erection of a communist state.FrancisUrquhart said:Like the eco-fascists organizers, the BLM movement organizers are about much more than having some statues removed and raising awareness of racism. They are very clear this is about overthrowing the capitalist system. No amount of extra electric cars, planting some trees and relocating some statues in museums will be anywhere near enough.
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Probably because we don't Kier that muchAnabobazina said:
K E I RLuckyguy1983 said:
Very hard to do without it looking like a creepy masonic initiation of some kind isn't it? Not wholly successful, but decent attempt to look human doing it by Kier and Angela. The democrats in the scarves and masks looked truly horrifying.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
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After yesterday's barnstorming speech I know just the woman for the job...FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris problem attacking on this is his long laundry list of insensitive stuff he wrote in the past. I imagine PMQ is going to be very tricky for Boris as it doesn't take a lawyer to dig out a load of those comments and paint him as a racist.MaxPB said:
Boris needs to absolutely nail him to the wall on this tomorrow and force Starmer into an unequivocal stand against all racism, not just racism against black people. Honestly I'm actually pretty mad about this, and usually these things don't bother me.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
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Mr Duns has stuck his head above the parapet with predictable results.....
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I would have gone and campaigned against Corbyn (assuming I was in the UK, of course). I despised the man, and all he stood for.Flatlander said:
Agreed, but is it real? Some people might just be relieved not to see Corbyn there and will be inclined to be positive, especially if they are remainers, as you say. Votes, though? I don't know about that.MikeSmithson said:
The polling numbers otherwise. Generally incumbents have a huge advantage in Best PM ratings. The latest has Starmer just 1% behindFlatlander said:They might be positive about Starmer, but will they vote for him? I don't think they will.
I think he's getting good ratings as a leader of the opposition, not as a potential PM.
He'll eventually have to say more about what he'd do rather than picking holes in what the government is doing, which is where it gets more difficult.
I am not in any hurry to vote Starmer. But could I? Yes, absolutely. There's nothing about him that would trouble my conscience. And if I didn't like any of the other candidates much (say if Claire-Louise Leyland or David Tredinnick was the alternative), then he's not someone I'd actively vote against.0 -
Those are the two bastions of authoritarian right wing governments, aren't they?CarlottaVance said:
Only Brazil to Britain? If they're doing it alphabetically that's only Brazil and Britain.....FrancisUrquhart said:Brazil to Britain.
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Could have gone on to Brunei -missed a trickRobD said:
Those are the two bastions of authoritarian right wing governments, aren't they?CarlottaVance said:
Only Brazil to Britain? If they're doing it alphabetically that's only Brazil and Britain.....FrancisUrquhart said:Brazil to Britain.
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That's the trouble, "Theres nothing about him". You could stick him on a plinth in the middle of Bristol and no-one would notice.rcs1000 said:
I would have gone and campaigned against Corbyn (assuming I was in the UK, of course). I despised the man, and all he stood for.Flatlander said:
Agreed, but is it real? Some people might just be relieved not to see Corbyn there and will be inclined to be positive, especially if they are remainers, as you say. Votes, though? I don't know about that.MikeSmithson said:
The polling numbers otherwise. Generally incumbents have a huge advantage in Best PM ratings. The latest has Starmer just 1% behindFlatlander said:They might be positive about Starmer, but will they vote for him? I don't think they will.
I think he's getting good ratings as a leader of the opposition, not as a potential PM.
He'll eventually have to say more about what he'd do rather than picking holes in what the government is doing, which is where it gets more difficult.
I am not in any hurry to vote Starmer. But could I? Yes, absolutely. There's nothing about him that would trouble my conscience. And if I didn't like any of the other candidates much (say if Claire-Louise Leyland or David Tredinnick was the alternative), then he's not someone I'd actively vote against.0 -
Typically we play by the rules ..other countries have no such scruples.Mexicanpete said:
For the most part they are conveniently inacurate, as it would seem are ours.squareroot2 said:
No it doesnt make it alright but i question the veracity of other countries figures...Mexicanpete said:
Well that must make it alright then.squareroot2 said:
We dont know that we have been the worst. I think there has been a lot of duplicity about the figures. Look at Russia for starters.Pulpstar said:
The temerity to ask difficult questions of the government in a pandemic where we've been one of the worst performing nations on earth.squareroot2 said:It wasn't me. I am a Tory remainer and i would not give Starmer a positive vote. He is a shit of the first order. ..playing politics over people dying... Revolting.
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I think a helpful question from someone like Javid (though I'm not sure how many favours he will be willing to give Boris) on whether he agrees with Starmer that the government stands against only racism against black people or against racism across the board.FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris problem attacking on this is his long laundry list of insensitive stuff he wrote in the past. I imagine PMQ is going to be very tricky for Boris as it doesn't take a lawyer to dig out a load of those comments and paint him as a racist.MaxPB said:
Boris needs to absolutely nail him to the wall on this tomorrow and force Starmer into an unequivocal stand against all racism, not just racism against black people. Honestly I'm actually pretty mad about this, and usually these things don't bother me.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
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In the UK? There are thankfully very few instances of the police killing people full stop, and since the case of Stephen Lawrence 27 years ago, the police have undergone a lot of reform. Jean Charles de Menezes is obviously the one where the police actions are seriously questionable.logical_song said:
Maybe some don't like being killed by policemen?FrancisUrquhart said:Like the eco-fascists organizers, the BLM movement organizers are about much more than having some statues removed and raising awareness of racism. They are very clear this is about overthrowing the capitalist system. No amount of extra electric cars, planting some trees and relocating some statues in museums will be anywhere near enough.
We aren't the US, gunning down a 1000 members of the public a year.0 -
I'm still of the view that most people are barely aware of Starmer.
Even in polling, which tends to be full of political obsessives, Starmer's ratings have a significant "don't know" percentage.
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It was a barnstormin' speech. But one speech does not a party leader make!Brom said:
After yesterday's barnstorming speech I know just the woman for the job...FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris problem attacking on this is his long laundry list of insensitive stuff he wrote in the past. I imagine PMQ is going to be very tricky for Boris as it doesn't take a lawyer to dig out a load of those comments and paint him as a racist.MaxPB said:
Boris needs to absolutely nail him to the wall on this tomorrow and force Starmer into an unequivocal stand against all racism, not just racism against black people. Honestly I'm actually pretty mad about this, and usually these things don't bother me.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
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It's a bit like being green - why is it necessary to come with so much anti capitalist stuff? It isn't in other countries.FrancisUrquhart said:We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
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Oh, I'm sure he's made several. Legions of errors.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.
Another fairly large one was not following the advice of @MaxPB over Cummings and taking the high road of appealing to people to follow government Coronavirus advice regardless of the failure of government advisers to do the same. He preferred to restrict himself to blaming the government for that consequence then to try to prevent it.0 -
We collectively apologise to you and Lord Keith, the LOTOAnabobazina said:
K E I RLuckyguy1983 said:
Very hard to do without it looking like a creepy masonic initiation of some kind isn't it? Not wholly successful, but decent attempt to look human doing it by Kier and Angela. The democrats in the scarves and masks looked truly horrifying.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
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At least they are honest about only worrying about the wrong kind of authoritarian.FrancisUrquhart said:We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
Marxism...0 -
Trump -11 approval ......... with Rasmussen (44-55)
All historical here:
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history
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It isn't everybody, but the organizers. You don't have to look that hard to find that the eco-fascists lot have a very long history of far left extremism. What they have found is a cause that have wider public support and can use that agenda to promote their wider vision.kle4 said:
It's a bit like being green - why is it necessary to come with so much anti capitalist stuff? It isn't in other countries.FrancisUrquhart said:We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
Marxism...
And shock horror, you read an article by one of the founders and it is again all British Empire, white-supremacy, patriacrchy, class stuff.
Extinction Rebellion isn’t about the Climate
https://medium.com/extinction-rebellion/extinction-rebellion-isnt-about-the-climate-42a0a73d9d490 -
I wonder what the Right's reaction will be when Boris 'takes the knee' (as I reckon he will).BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
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I think it would be wiser and less risky not to overplay it. Corbyn had a litany of past unsavoury associations to anchor that kind of attack, Wheras as some have said here its Starmers first mistake.MaxPB said:
I think a helpful question from someone like Javid (though I'm not sure how many favours he will be willing to give Boris) on whether he agrees with Starmer that the government stands against only racism against black people or against racism across the board.FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris problem attacking on this is his long laundry list of insensitive stuff he wrote in the past. I imagine PMQ is going to be very tricky for Boris as it doesn't take a lawyer to dig out a load of those comments and paint him as a racist.MaxPB said:
Boris needs to absolutely nail him to the wall on this tomorrow and force Starmer into an unequivocal stand against all racism, not just racism against black people. Honestly I'm actually pretty mad about this, and usually these things don't bother me.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0 -
Starmer's got his knee in first. A big power play in the virtue games.Stark_Dawning said:
I wonder the Right's reaction will be when Boris 'takes the knee' (as I reckon he will).BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/12703743884881674280 -
fire up the Well quite klaxonFrancisUrquhart said:We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
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Sir Keira Knightly, please!Malmesbury said:
We collectively apologise to you and Lord Keith, the LOTOAnabobazina said:
K E I RLuckyguy1983 said:
Very hard to do without it looking like a creepy masonic initiation of some kind isn't it? Not wholly successful, but decent attempt to look human doing it by Kier and Angela. The democrats in the scarves and masks looked truly horrifying.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
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Oh he willStark_Dawning said:
I wonder what the Right's reaction will be when Boris 'takes the knee' (as I reckon he will).BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
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So anyway - I just wanted to post up a suggested answer to the burning question of the last few days regarding statues - the famous "where do we draw the line?"
There can be no single answer to this since people will have different takes on it (as we have seen). Therefore we need a template and I think the following works.
Category 1 - Statues we are utterly repulsed by and we applaud "the mob" pulling them down whilst accepting that charges should probably follow since after all the law is the law.
Category 2 - Statues we would quite like to see the back of but not so much as to applaud "the mob" pulling them down and charges really ought to follow because, you know, the law is the law.
Category 3 - Statues we are fine with and if "the mob" were to pull them down we would condemn it - the action and the mob - and be calling out for charges asap because we simply cannot tolerate this sort of thing.
Category 4 - Statues we love and mean a great deal to us whereby if "the mob" were to pull them down we would be looking to form a mob of our own to give the mob a taste of what's coming to them.
Category 5 - Churchill.
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I genuinely fear he might not be able to get back up again if he does.Stark_Dawning said:
I wonder what the Right's reaction will be when Boris 'takes the knee' (as I reckon he will).BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/12703743884881674283 -
They'll love it. Tories are right into identity politics these days.Stark_Dawning said:
I wonder what the Right's reaction will be when Boris 'takes the knee' (as I reckon he will).BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
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Tbh, the best attack would be to challenge Asian and Jewish Labour MPs to distance themselves from this statement.kle4 said:
I think it would be wiser and less risky not to overplay it. Corbyn had a litany of past unsavoury associations to anchor that kind of attack, Wheras as some have said here its Starmers first mistake.MaxPB said:
I think a helpful question from someone like Javid (though I'm not sure how many favours he will be willing to give Boris) on whether he agrees with Starmer that the government stands against only racism against black people or against racism across the board.FrancisUrquhart said:
Boris problem attacking on this is his long laundry list of insensitive stuff he wrote in the past. I imagine PMQ is going to be very tricky for Boris as it doesn't take a lawyer to dig out a load of those comments and paint him as a racist.MaxPB said:
Boris needs to absolutely nail him to the wall on this tomorrow and force Starmer into an unequivocal stand against all racism, not just racism against black people. Honestly I'm actually pretty mad about this, and usually these things don't bother me.tlg86 said:
Indeed. If you're not surfing sites like this you won't see it. Unless the Tories kick off about it - perhaps Boris goes for Starmer at PMQs - then it won't leave the internet.RobD said:
Sorry, that sounded very insensitive. I think a better description would have been a bubble story.MaxPB said:
Not if you're Asian or Jewish.RobD said:
Na, it's fluff.contrarian said:
His first real mistake?rcs1000 said:
What a stupid thing for Starmer to say. He could just have gone with "We kneel with all those opposing racism."MaxPB said:
"Anti-Black racism" Starmer shows that Asians are no longer considered worthy.BluestBlue said:Kneel before Zod!
https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1270374388488167428
I'm now of the belief that if you gave Starmer enough wine he'd start explaining how racism against Asians isn't as bad as racism against black people.
It's actually quite a shocking statement for all Asians in the UK that we're not considered worth protesting for by the Labour leader. I hope Patel, Javid and Sunak pick up on this.
we shall see.0
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