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The 2m rule indoors is boll*x anyway. Anyone in the same room is highly likely to have caught it.Scott_xP said:1 -
You told me that plenty of 'normal folk' in your acquaintence were in the throes of being dismissed for lockdown violations - it was part of your reasoning that Cummings should lose his job. I take it that you would mete out the same for the infinitely more dangerous lockdown violation we saw today?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
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Its what happens when we elect a bunch of incompetents who think they can govern by opinion poll.another_richard said:
Sounds unworkable to me.noneoftheabove said:
You are meant to self isolate if you are told to by NHS test and trace. It is that simple.another_richard said:
But so could anyone.noneoftheabove said:
Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.RobD said:
But in this case they do, so...noneoftheabove said:
If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.RobD said:
Only if you've been within 2m, right?noneoftheabove said:
So is the whole country meant to self isolate because we might have been within 1m of an unknown Mr X ?
Even though the government say we must do it, it is not a legal requirement, and those running the govt probably wont adhere to it themselves so do whatever you want.0 -
Almost as fascinating as your evidence free assertion that those on the protest are all benefits claimants.Ave_it said:
An interesting interpretation of that post Doug....DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.0 -
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The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!1 -
Of course. However it shows how non joined up Govt policy is that self isolating after contact with a proven case is not a legal requirement, but self isolating (in fact quarantine) after coming into contact with a foreign country is, backed up by a £1000 fine!another_richard said:
Sounds unworkable to me.noneoftheabove said:
You are meant to self isolate if you are told to by NHS test and trace. It is that simple.another_richard said:
But so could anyone.noneoftheabove said:
Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.RobD said:
But in this case they do, so...noneoftheabove said:
If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.RobD said:
Only if you've been within 2m, right?noneoftheabove said:
So is the whole country meant to self isolate because we might have been within 1m of an unknown Mr X ?
Even though the government say we must do it, it is not a legal requirement, and those running the govt probably wont adhere to it themselves so do whatever you want.0 -
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2 miles - reallyScott_xP said:0 -
You're making a giant leap in assuming they would be told to do so by NHS Test and Trace.noneoftheabove said:
You are meant to self isolate if you are told to by NHS test and trace. It is that simple.another_richard said:
But so could anyone.noneoftheabove said:
Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.RobD said:
But in this case they do, so...noneoftheabove said:
If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.RobD said:
Only if you've been within 2m, right?noneoftheabove said:
So is the whole country meant to self isolate because we might have been within 1m of an unknown Mr X ?
Even though the government say we must do it, it is not a legal requirement, and those running the govt probably wont adhere to it themselves so do whatever you want.0 -
Languages evolve, always have done, always will.squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
This is the 21st century. 2m doesn't mean 2 milesBig_G_NorthWales said:
2 miles - reallyScott_xP said:
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Where does it say miles? 2 m is 2 metres for a good Europhile.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2 miles - reallyScott_xP said:0 -
All about the UC! We have created a welfare monster in this country.DougSeal said:
Almost as fascinating as your evidence free assertion that those on the protest are all benefits claimants.Ave_it said:
An interesting interpretation of that post Doug....DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.0 -
Arkansas is the plural of a tribal name that was converted into French. The French don’t pronounce plural “s”sTheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Kansas is the Anglicised spelling of another tribal - the English do pronounce their “s”s0 -
What does the word "if" mean?Philip_Thompson said:
You're making a giant leap in assuming they would be told to do so by NHS Test and Trace.noneoftheabove said:
You are meant to self isolate if you are told to by NHS test and trace. It is that simple.another_richard said:
But so could anyone.noneoftheabove said:
Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.RobD said:
But in this case they do, so...noneoftheabove said:
If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.RobD said:
Only if you've been within 2m, right?noneoftheabove said:
So is the whole country meant to self isolate because we might have been within 1m of an unknown Mr X ?
Even though the government say we must do it, it is not a legal requirement, and those running the govt probably wont adhere to it themselves so do whatever you want.0 -
Yes, Holyrood turnout is unlikely to go above 60% IMO.justin124 said:
Turnout at the Holyrood elections will be important. An SNP win on a turnout of 45% - 50% - or even 55% would probably not be viewed by Westminster as having sufficient moral force to override the result of a Referendum which saw a clear result on a turnout of nearly 85%.Philip_Thompson said:
They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.kle4 said:
I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.StuartDickson said:Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
- Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election
“Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.
“We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”
The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him
If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.
I think people considerably overstate the chances of another referendum anyway as long as the Tories are in power at Westminster (at least in the 2021-24 period) as there is no upside for the Tories either way (unlike Labour arguably). Either there's a yes vote which is a disaster for the Tories or there's a no vote after which, the constitutional schism which shored up their 25% vote in Scotland goes away.
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Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
I was only winding Scott upPhilip_Thompson said:
This is the 21st century. 2m doesn't mean 2 milesBig_G_NorthWales said:
2 miles - reallyScott_xP said:2 -
Why would a number of MPs not have socially distanced from him?Scott_xP said:0 -
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
The cabinet room isn't big enoughPhilip_Thompson said:Why would a number of MPs not have socially distanced from him?
And JRM's conga line got jammed0 -
But I do seem to recall someone informing voters in advance of the Referendum that the result would effectively be binding 'for a generation'. Another vote a few years post 2035 would be fine.Alistair said:
Mate the referendum was on whether we wanted independence in 2014 not whether we wanted to never have a referendum ever again.justin124 said:
Turnout at the Holyrood elections will be important. An SNP win on a turnout of 45% - 50% - or even 55% would probably not be viewed by Westminster as having sufficient moral force to override the result of a Referendum which saw a clear result on a turnout of nearly 85%.Philip_Thompson said:
They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.kle4 said:
I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.StuartDickson said:Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
- Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election
“Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.
“We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”
The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him
If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.1 -
The opposite is true. Firstly, I’m an employment lawyer, the people I know who have been fired are my clients, I’m defending them against being fired. Secondly I repeatedly made clear my desire for Cummings to keep his job. I did not want Cummings fired because (as I repeatedly pointed out) he does more damage to the government remaining in his job. I did at one point say people could be fairly dismissed for bringing their employer into disrepute but that was not a call for Cummings to be fired.Luckyguy1983 said:
You told me that plenty of 'normal folk' in your acquaintence were in the throes of being dismissed for lockdown violations - it was part of your reasoning that Cummings should lose his job. I take it that you would mete out the same for the infinitely more dangerous lockdown violation we saw today?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
There is no one size fits all in employment law. People are held to different standards depending on what they do for a living. Bad language on a construction site will not be held to be as serious as a teacher swearing in the classroom for example. Similarly people who make rules must expect harsher consequences when they break them than those that don’t.5 -
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One of those arguments when someone points out your flagrant hypocrisy, yes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Ah, so it is one of those arguments.Luckyguy1983 said:
Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?CorrectHorseBattery said:
If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.Luckyguy1983 said:
Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Not predicting, just pontificatingAve_it said:
I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊CorrectHorseBattery said:I think it will be a Hung Parliament.
I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
Your suggestion for what we should do if we have a childcare emergency during Corona lockdown? Call 999. Get them to take the sprog.
Your current suggestion for what to do if something has happened in America and it's pissed you off? Find the nearest baying mob and be part of a super spreader event.1 -
A similar thing happened with Ubiquiti Technologies, which is a US networking supplier. They had a Dubai based distributor client that bought their kit, and then sold it to the Iranians.FrancisUrquhart said:China’s Huawei Technologies acted to cover up its relationship with a firm that had tried to sell prohibited U.S. computer gear to Iran, after Reuters in 2013 reported deep links between the firm and the telecom-equipment giant’s chief financial officer, newly obtained internal Huawei documents show.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-iran-probe-exclusive/exclusive-huawei-hid-business-operation-in-iran-after-reuters-reported-links-to-cfo-idUSKBN23A19B
Ubiquiti didn't ask too many questions of their customer (whether because as a fairly new fast growing firm they were genuinely ignorant, or because they didn't want to know), and they ended up getting into quite a lot of trouble.
The latest Huawei phones contain lots of chips they are not supposed to contain, because Huawei themselves are not (of course) prohibited from buying chips from (say) Texas Instruments. So they find intermediaries.1 -
Not so much, that last onesquareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
While Kansas City is not the capital of Kansas... nor even in the state...Fysics_Teacher said:
Just to confuse things even more, there is an Arkansas City, Kansas, which is pronounced Ah-Kansas.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?0 -
AveIt is an affable troll who drops in from time to time with weird and wonderful predictions - Tories to win by 500, Boris to be made Queen, that sort of thing. Think of him as a harmless pet.DougSeal said:
Almost as fascinating as your evidence free assertion that those on the protest are all benefits claimants.Ave_it said:
An interesting interpretation of that post Doug....DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
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The cabinet have been video meetingScott_xP said:
The cabinet room isn't big enoughPhilip_Thompson said:Why would a number of MPs not have socially distanced from him?
And JRM's conga line got jammed
However, the idea was nonsense, though many did support it, but a needless situation has now arisen and remote voting will have to be reinstated during this crisis
Boris is rumoured to be looking at a reshuffle in July and JRM must go1 -
Obama sounds tired!0
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As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!0 -
'Flagrant' really undersells that, doesn't it? It's more like 'towering inferno of hypocrisy' or 'thermonuclear explosion of hypocrisy', reallyLuckyguy1983 said:
One of those arguments when someone points out your flagrant hypocrisy, yes.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Ah, so it is one of those arguments.Luckyguy1983 said:
Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?CorrectHorseBattery said:
If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.Luckyguy1983 said:
Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.CorrectHorseBattery said:
Not predicting, just pontificatingAve_it said:
I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊CorrectHorseBattery said:I think it will be a Hung Parliament.
I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
Your suggestion for what we should do if we have a childcare emergency during Corona lockdown? Call 999. Get them to take the sprog.
Your current suggestion for what to do if something has happened in America and it's pissed you off? Find the nearest baying mob and be part of a super spreader event.
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I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
Because they don’t understand how an escalator worksPhilip_Thompson said:
Only if they haven't socially distanced. Why wouldn't they have socially distanced?Scott_xP said:According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?
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True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
COD says both the long and short 'a' are correct for 'transport'. Why do you know better?kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?0 -
Dey is ignorant people!IanB2 said:
Not so much, that last onesquareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
There’s a little bit of it that stretches over the state line -Charles said:
While Kansas City is not the capital of Kansas... nor even in the state...Fysics_Teacher said:
Just to confuse things even more, there is an Arkansas City, Kansas, which is pronounced Ah-Kansas.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
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Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
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Yep.Pulpstar said:What's the current best estimate on active UK cases - 8,000 ?
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Some info on some local hospitals, Bournemouth has 5 Covid cases, Winchester has 4 and Basingstoke 6. My daughter had the antibody test today and will find out the result tomorrow.0
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Now all those in the media who got very concerned about of Big Dom touched a petrol pump or went to a whizz in the toilets...i presumed they will be absolutely doing their nut about the BLM attacking the plod outside #10 all crammed together.3
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When we need your permission we'll ask you. You can hold your breath if you want, but wouldn't recommend.justin124 said:
But I do seem to recall someone informing voters in advance of the Referendum that the result would effectively be binding 'for a generation'. Another vote a few years post 2035 would be fine.Alistair said:
Mate the referendum was on whether we wanted independence in 2014 not whether we wanted to never have a referendum ever again.justin124 said:
Turnout at the Holyrood elections will be important. An SNP win on a turnout of 45% - 50% - or even 55% would probably not be viewed by Westminster as having sufficient moral force to override the result of a Referendum which saw a clear result on a turnout of nearly 85%.Philip_Thompson said:
They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.kle4 said:
I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.StuartDickson said:Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
- Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election
“Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.
“We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”
The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him
If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.0 -
I thought there was a Kansas City in Missouri and a Kansas City in Kansas.Charles said:
While Kansas City is not the capital of Kansas... nor even in the state...Fysics_Teacher said:
Just to confuse things even more, there is an Arkansas City, Kansas, which is pronounced Ah-Kansas.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
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It must have been a terrible merment when you learnt that!kle4 said:
I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...2 -
So what is the point in teaching children grammar? I blame programmes like EastEnders where language(and pronunciation) is a foreign one to most who make utterances on theBenpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
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Not expressing a general view either way, but it is really true that Cummings "formulated the (lockdown) policy"? I thought he was all for herd immunity! He may have had a major role in co-ordinating the 'simple message' communications strategy once lockdown was embarked upon - but that was his job, not necessarily something he was in favour of?DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!0 -
I thought Obama was going to give a speech, he seems to be rambling making sure he checks every box.0
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I know, I'm guilty of saying "li-bry" instead of "li-bra-ry".squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...1 -
You certainly give the English language a good 'battring'.squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
Apologies if I misrepresented your views.DougSeal said:
The opposite is true. Firstly, I’m an employment lawyer, the people I know who have been fired are my clients, I’m defending them against being fired. Secondly I repeatedly made clear my desire for Cummings to keep his job. I did not want Cummings fired because (as I repeatedly pointed out) he does more damage to the government remaining in his job. I did at one point say people could be fairly dismissed for bringing their employer into disrepute but that was not a call for Cummings to be fired.Luckyguy1983 said:
You told me that plenty of 'normal folk' in your acquaintence were in the throes of being dismissed for lockdown violations - it was part of your reasoning that Cummings should lose his job. I take it that you would mete out the same for the infinitely more dangerous lockdown violation we saw today?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
There is no one size fits all in employment law. People are held to different standards depending on what they do for a living. Bad language on a construction site will not be held to be as serious as a teacher swearing in the classroom for example. Similarly people who make rules must expect harsher consequences when they break them than those that don’t.
We also have degrees of punishment according to the severity of the crime. Whether or not Dom stopped for a piss, or petrol, or even a pasty and a cornetto, as PB's resident Miss Marple's were investigating last week, I think we can all agree his actions are tame when compared to joining a crowd of people, with no social distancing, to jostle with the police, and yell the odds, over a sustained period.
Yet we've seen zero criticism from the most prominent Cummings critics here. Which tells me last week's furore was nothing to do with Cummings actions, or even the impact those actions might have had on the wider public, and just more tired old Brexit bollocks.2 -
I seem to recall there was great horror and outrage that he might have browbeat or mesmerised the SAGE members with his anti-lockdown views, then we were told he was pro lockdown, but who the hell knows anymore.alex_ said:
Not expressing a general view either way, but it is really true that Cummings "formulated the (lockdown) policy"? I thought he was all for herd immunity! He may have had a major role in co-ordinating the 'simple message' communications strategy once lockdown was embarked upon - but that was his job, not necessarily something he was in favour of?DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!0 -
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris0 -
Its my typing errors that let me down. .. and the lack of an edit facility.Theuniondivvie said:
You certainly give the English language a good 'battring'.squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
It's good to have general rules of language, and that spelling, though illogical, is much more consistent than it used to be, but these things are never as rigid as those rules might suggest, particularly when they include arbitrary 'rules' which may not even be that historic, or based on rulesfor languages other than English.squareroot2 said:
So what is the point in teaching children grammar? I blame programmes like EastEnders where language(and pronunciation) is a foreign one to most who make utterances on theBenpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
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If understanding is not harmed or is even improved by not following a rule it cannot be that important a rule. So we should be given the tools of the language and then play around with it a bit.1 -
Legally you need Westminster's permission.Theuniondivvie said:
When we need your permission we'll ask you. You can hold your breath if you want, but wouldn't recommend.justin124 said:
But I do seem to recall someone informing voters in advance of the Referendum that the result would effectively be binding 'for a generation'. Another vote a few years post 2035 would be fine.Alistair said:
Mate the referendum was on whether we wanted independence in 2014 not whether we wanted to never have a referendum ever again.justin124 said:
Turnout at the Holyrood elections will be important. An SNP win on a turnout of 45% - 50% - or even 55% would probably not be viewed by Westminster as having sufficient moral force to override the result of a Referendum which saw a clear result on a turnout of nearly 85%.Philip_Thompson said:
They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.kle4 said:
I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.StuartDickson said:Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
- Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election
“Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.
“We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”
The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him
If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.0 -
Boris reaches parts other Conservatives cannot reach.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris0 -
That's some impressive whataboutery you've got going on there, not to mention a vivid imagination. Of course I wouldn't sanction a mass protest in favour of Cummings, because it would be a fucking dangerous and stupid thing to do - just like the mass protests today, which were a thousand times more dangerous as super-spreader events than Cummings could ever be.DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!
But I bet we'll have to wait a loooooong time before the lefties conduct one of their famous witch-hunts against them, won't we?0 -
As far as I'm concerned, it isn't acceptable. The Oxford English Dictionary can dumb down if it wants, doesn't mean I have to.Benpointer said:
It must have been a terrible merment when you learnt that!kle4 said:
I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
More pertinently, what is the point of grammar?squareroot2 said:
So what is the point in teaching children grammar? I blame programmes like EastEnders where language(and pronunciation) is a foreign one to most who make utterances on theBenpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
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The ONS national survey had the overall infection level essentially static above 100k at any one time. I'd assumed that this was due to chance, given the uncertainties, and that there was still a decline in the prevalence of the virus, but they seemed quite confident in it when it said the same the third week in a row.Philip_Thompson said:
Still seems to be implausible to be north of 100k active.TheScreamingEagles said:
7 to 14 days is when you are potentially infectious, but it can take much longer for you personally to get (seriously) ill.Philip_Thompson said:
That seems implausibly high for the situation today to me.FrancisUrquhart said:
Not active cases, new cases each day is ~8k (probably less now). But active cases is north of 100k.Pulpstar said:What's the current best estimate on active UK cases - 8,000 ?
How long is a case active for on average? I thought it was 7 to 14 days and new cases was 8k a couple of weeks ago (and been lower every day since then). I don't see how you can reach 100k active from there?
I suppose one possible explanation that would reconcile that with the ongoing decline in the number of deaths would be if HMG had managed to get a grip on the situation in care homes, reducing the infection rate among the elderly, but that the young had seen an increase in their infection rate due to concluding they're at low risk - so accidentally following the risk segmentation approach espoused by @BobASomeone on here. Then a static rate of infection would lead to a decline in deaths, as the population infected had a lower mortality.
But I suspect that it's because the ONS infection survey numbers aren't very accurate.1 -
The rank hypocrites won't touch it with a 2-metre-long bargepole...FrancisUrquhart said:Now all those in the media who got very concerned about of Big Dom touched a petrol pump or went to a whizz in the toilets...i presumed they will be absolutely doing their nut about the BLM attacking the plod outside #10 all crammed together.
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"When danger reared its ugly head,Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris
He bravely turned his tail and fled,
Yes Brave Sir Boris turned about,
And gallantly he chickened out,
Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave Sir Boris ..."0 -
Unintentionally rude I suspectMexicanpete said:
Boris reaches parts other Conservatives cannot reach.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris 0 -
Its not a case of being improved by not following rules. It is not improved its damaged... in reality it is just laziness as it is with me not spending enough time double checking my posts for typos.... where is the edit facility?kle4 said:
It's good to have general rules of language, and that spelling, though illogical, is much more consistent than it used to be, but these things are never as rigid as those rules might suggest, particularly when they include arbitrary 'rules' which may not even be that historic, or based on rulesfor languages other than English.squareroot2 said:
So what is the point in teaching children grammar? I blame programmes like EastEnders where language(and pronunciation) is a foreign one to most who make utterances on theBenpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
show.
If understanding is not harmed or is even improved by not following a rule it cannot be that important a rule. So we should be given the tools of the language and then play around with it a bit.
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The economic shitstorm that is coming, nicely compounded in the UK by No Deal, will pitch the Tories out for a generation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris
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And most of Kansas City is in Missouri.Fysics_Teacher said:
Just to confuse things even more, there is an Arkansas City, Kansas, which is pronounced Ah-Kansas.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
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Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?0 -
Well indeed, but given acceptable usage in English essentially comes from whether in general people use it a certain way without need for official approval, it means we cannot claim it is not a proper usage if others want to, sadly.Luckyguy1983 said:
As far as I'm concerned, it isn't acceptable. The Oxford English Dictionary can dumb down if it wants, doesn't mean I have to.Benpointer said:
It must have been a terrible merment when you learnt that!kle4 said:
I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
Where I draw the line is the game Words with Friends. That will let you play various 'words' and then when you click for a definition it says it doesn't have one. I'll accept bullshit obscure scrabble words that no one has ever actually used, but at least they come with a definition of some sort.
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You appear to have missed my little jest.Luckyguy1983 said:
As far as I'm concerned, it isn't acceptable. The Oxford English Dictionary can dumb down if it wants, doesn't mean I have to.Benpointer said:
It must have been a terrible merment when you learnt that!kle4 said:
I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
Regarding dumbing down: you don't have to; indeed, depending on where you start, you may not be able to. 1 -
It's the difference between helping your uncle jack off a horse and helping your Uncle Jack off a horse.Benpointer said:
More pertinently, what is the point of grammar?squareroot2 said:
So what is the point in teaching children grammar? I blame programmes like EastEnders where language(and pronunciation) is a foreign one to most who make utterances on theBenpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
show.0 -
What bad news is being buried tonight?0
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Incidentally, if I write a letter longhand, I am particularly careful and often have to start all over again... i think thats because one writes so few letters.squareroot2 said:
Its not a case of being improved by not following rules. It is not improved its damaged... in reality it is just laziness as it is with me not spending enough time double checking my posts for typos.... where is the edit facility?kle4 said:
It's good to have general rules of language, and that spelling, though illogical, is much more consistent than it used to be, but these things are never as rigid as those rules might suggest, particularly when they include arbitrary 'rules' which may not even be that historic, or based on rulesfor languages other than English.squareroot2 said:
So what is the point in teaching children grammar? I blame programmes like EastEnders where language(and pronunciation) is a foreign one to most who make utterances on theBenpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
show.
If understanding is not harmed or is even improved by not following a rule it cannot be that important a rule. So we should be given the tools of the language and then play around with it a bit.1 -
Well that Obama bit was weird. I presumed he was going to come on and give a carefully crafted speech addressing the nations to call for peaceful protest & dialogue.
Instead it was like he was around for dinner and talking off the cuff about these protests he had seen on the telly and what we need is academic research, more elected positions, etc.0 -
I am sure the right will step in, as they so often do, to conduct their own.BluestBlue said:
That's some impressive whataboutery you've got going on there, not to mention a vivid imagination. Of course I wouldn't sanction a mass protest in favour of Cummings, because it would be a fucking dangerous and stupid thing to do - just like the mass protests today, which were a thousand times more dangerous as super-spreader events than Cummings could ever be.DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!
But I bet we'll have to wait a loooooong time before the lefties conduct one of their famous witch-hunts against them, won't we?0 -
'Ferment' has been used as a synonym for 'foment' (stir up, exacerbate) since the 17th Century.Luckyguy1983 said:
As far as I'm concerned, it isn't acceptable. The Oxford English Dictionary can dumb down if it wants, doesn't mean I have to.Benpointer said:
It must have been a terrible merment when you learnt that!kle4 said:
I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
You mean there won't be cut out and keep masks of the protestors on the front page of the Daily Star - 'this mask allows you to do whatever the fuck you like, and screw everyone else'BluestBlue said:
That's some impressive whataboutery you've got going on there, not to mention a vivid imagination. Of course I wouldn't sanction a mass protest in favour of Cummings, because it would be a fucking dangerous and stupid thing to do - just like the mass protests today, which were a thousand times more dangerous as super-spreader events than Cummings could ever be.DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!
But I bet we'll have to wait a loooooong time before the lefties conduct one of their famous witch-hunts against them, won't we?
*paraphrase1 -
Well I'll give it a go. I support the right to peaceful protest.Luckyguy1983 said:
Apologies if I misrepresented your views.DougSeal said:
The opposite is true. Firstly, I’m an employment lawyer, the people I know who have been fired are my clients, I’m defending them against being fired. Secondly I repeatedly made clear my desire for Cummings to keep his job. I did not want Cummings fired because (as I repeatedly pointed out) he does more damage to the government remaining in his job. I did at one point say people could be fairly dismissed for bringing their employer into disrepute but that was not a call for Cummings to be fired.Luckyguy1983 said:
You told me that plenty of 'normal folk' in your acquaintence were in the throes of being dismissed for lockdown violations - it was part of your reasoning that Cummings should lose his job. I take it that you would mete out the same for the infinitely more dangerous lockdown violation we saw today?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
There is no one size fits all in employment law. People are held to different standards depending on what they do for a living. Bad language on a construction site will not be held to be as serious as a teacher swearing in the classroom for example. Similarly people who make rules must expect harsher consequences when they break them than those that don’t.
We also have degrees of punishment according to the severity of the crime. Whether or not Dom stopped for a piss, or petrol, or even a pasty and a cornetto, as PB's resident Miss Marple's were investigating last week, I think we can all agree his actions are tame when compared to joining a crowd of people, with no social distancing, to jostle with the police, and yell the odds, over a sustained period.
Yet we've seen zero criticism from the most prominent Cummings critics here. Which tells me last week's furore was nothing to do with Cummings actions, or even the impact those actions might have had on the wider public, and just more tired old Brexit bollocks.
Doing so in the manner we have seen today during a pandemic is the height of irresponsible selfishness.
As were the actions of Cummings.2 -
A a note, its the anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre coming up. The number killed that day and after went into the thousands.
I look forward to UK police chiefs releasing a statement about how it was wrong and asking for justice and accountability, the virtue signalling bunch of pricks.
Meanwhile Trump will probably be looking for a new defence secretary shortly.0 -
Two wrongs don't make a right.DougSeal said:
I am sure the right will step in, as they so often do, to conduct their own.BluestBlue said:
That's some impressive whataboutery you've got going on there, not to mention a vivid imagination. Of course I wouldn't sanction a mass protest in favour of Cummings, because it would be a fucking dangerous and stupid thing to do - just like the mass protests today, which were a thousand times more dangerous as super-spreader events than Cummings could ever be.DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!
But I bet we'll have to wait a loooooong time before the lefties conduct one of their famous witch-hunts against them, won't we?0 -
Benpointer said:
You appear to have missed my little jest.Luckyguy1983 said:
As far as I'm concerned, it isn't acceptable. The Oxford English Dictionary can dumb down if it wants, doesn't mean I have to.Benpointer said:
It must have been a terrible merment when you learnt that!kle4 said:
I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
Regarding dumbing down: you don't have to; indeed, depending on where you start, you may not be able to.
Now spotted it. 0 -
I was alluding to the geographical rather than the anatomical.rottenborough said:
Unintentionally rude I suspectMexicanpete said:
Boris reaches parts other Conservatives cannot reach.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris0 -
Can you imagine? The state of our legal system is such that it would probably be illegal.Luckyguy1983 said:
You mean there won't be cut out and keep masks of the protestors on the front page of the Daily Star - 'this mask allows you to do whatever the fuck you like, and screw everyone else'BluestBlue said:
That's some impressive whataboutery you've got going on there, not to mention a vivid imagination. Of course I wouldn't sanction a mass protest in favour of Cummings, because it would be a fucking dangerous and stupid thing to do - just like the mass protests today, which were a thousand times more dangerous as super-spreader events than Cummings could ever be.DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!
But I bet we'll have to wait a loooooong time before the lefties conduct one of their famous witch-hunts against them, won't we?
*paraphrase0 -
Cummings was wrong and should have resigned but on the scale of things it was nowhere near as dangerous as today.dixiedean said:
Well I'll give it a go. I support the right to peaceful protest.Luckyguy1983 said:
Apologies if I misrepresented your views.DougSeal said:
The opposite is true. Firstly, I’m an employment lawyer, the people I know who have been fired are my clients, I’m defending them against being fired. Secondly I repeatedly made clear my desire for Cummings to keep his job. I did not want Cummings fired because (as I repeatedly pointed out) he does more damage to the government remaining in his job. I did at one point say people could be fairly dismissed for bringing their employer into disrepute but that was not a call for Cummings to be fired.Luckyguy1983 said:
You told me that plenty of 'normal folk' in your acquaintence were in the throes of being dismissed for lockdown violations - it was part of your reasoning that Cummings should lose his job. I take it that you would mete out the same for the infinitely more dangerous lockdown violation we saw today?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
There is no one size fits all in employment law. People are held to different standards depending on what they do for a living. Bad language on a construction site will not be held to be as serious as a teacher swearing in the classroom for example. Similarly people who make rules must expect harsher consequences when they break them than those that don’t.
We also have degrees of punishment according to the severity of the crime. Whether or not Dom stopped for a piss, or petrol, or even a pasty and a cornetto, as PB's resident Miss Marple's were investigating last week, I think we can all agree his actions are tame when compared to joining a crowd of people, with no social distancing, to jostle with the police, and yell the odds, over a sustained period.
Yet we've seen zero criticism from the most prominent Cummings critics here. Which tells me last week's furore was nothing to do with Cummings actions, or even the impact those actions might have had on the wider public, and just more tired old Brexit bollocks.
Doing so in the manner we have seen today during a pandemic is the height of irresponsible selfishness.
As were the actions of Cummings.
Indeed today was the most serious gathering since the football and Cheltenham0 -
True, but that highlights the strategic mess that the Conservatives' tactical triumph risks.Mexicanpete said:
Boris reaches parts other Conservatives cannot reach.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris
Since electing BoJo, they have become something of a one man brand; there's Boris and a bunch of nobodies. If Boris fell under the proverbial No 12 bus tonight, it's hard to see who could replace him in the "reaching other parts" stakes. But without that reaching, even an 80 seat majority looks shaky.1 -
That's absolute nonsense. It depends on the 'rule' and the context. Not least since many of the so called rules are not rules at all, so talk of things being 'damaged' by not following them is ridiculous. It's the same with rules on word usage. I'm not damaging anything if I say I have fewer apples than yesterday or if I say I have less apples than yesterday. No understanding has been lost, and anyone insisting the language has been damaged in that context is a crazy person. On the other hand if I said I was fewer educated than my brother it clearly would affect understanding compared to if I said I was less educated than my brother.squareroot2 said:
Its not a case of being improved by not following rules. It is not improved its damaged.kle4 said:
It's good to have general rules of language, and that spelling, though illogical, is much more consistent than it used to be, but these things are never as rigid as those rules might suggest, particularly when they include arbitrary 'rules' which may not even be that historic, or based on rulesfor languages other than English.squareroot2 said:
So what is the point in teaching children grammar? I blame programmes like EastEnders where language(and pronunciation) is a foreign one to most who make utterances on theBenpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...
show.
If understanding is not harmed or is even improved by not following a rule it cannot be that important a rule. So we should be given the tools of the language and then play around with it a bit.
It's also incredibly common for advocates of grammar rigidity to either insist upon the following of a rule which has never been rigidly adhered to, or to make grammatical errors whilst insisting others use grammar correctly. And that's fine. But who exactly do you think is setting these rules which, when not followed, are 'damaging' the language? Do you believe all the rules are of equal standing? Is subject-verb-object order as important as not ending a sentence with a preposition?
Typos are a different matter altogether.0 -
I'll take that - good for you.dixiedean said:
Well I'll give it a go. I support the right to peaceful protest.Luckyguy1983 said:
Apologies if I misrepresented your views.DougSeal said:
The opposite is true. Firstly, I’m an employment lawyer, the people I know who have been fired are my clients, I’m defending them against being fired. Secondly I repeatedly made clear my desire for Cummings to keep his job. I did not want Cummings fired because (as I repeatedly pointed out) he does more damage to the government remaining in his job. I did at one point say people could be fairly dismissed for bringing their employer into disrepute but that was not a call for Cummings to be fired.Luckyguy1983 said:
You told me that plenty of 'normal folk' in your acquaintence were in the throes of being dismissed for lockdown violations - it was part of your reasoning that Cummings should lose his job. I take it that you would mete out the same for the infinitely more dangerous lockdown violation we saw today?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
There is no one size fits all in employment law. People are held to different standards depending on what they do for a living. Bad language on a construction site will not be held to be as serious as a teacher swearing in the classroom for example. Similarly people who make rules must expect harsher consequences when they break them than those that don’t.
We also have degrees of punishment according to the severity of the crime. Whether or not Dom stopped for a piss, or petrol, or even a pasty and a cornetto, as PB's resident Miss Marple's were investigating last week, I think we can all agree his actions are tame when compared to joining a crowd of people, with no social distancing, to jostle with the police, and yell the odds, over a sustained period.
Yet we've seen zero criticism from the most prominent Cummings critics here. Which tells me last week's furore was nothing to do with Cummings actions, or even the impact those actions might have had on the wider public, and just more tired old Brexit bollocks.
Doing so in the manner we have seen today during a pandemic is the height of irresponsible selfishness.
As were the actions of Cummings.0 -
Is Cummings on the road again?rottenborough said:What bad news is being buried tonight?
Wearin' different clothes again...2 -
Thanks for confirming that the Cummings witch-hunt had nothing to do with concern for public health then. Much appreciated!DougSeal said:
I am sure the right will step in, as they so often do, to conduct their own.BluestBlue said:
That's some impressive whataboutery you've got going on there, not to mention a vivid imagination. Of course I wouldn't sanction a mass protest in favour of Cummings, because it would be a fucking dangerous and stupid thing to do - just like the mass protests today, which were a thousand times more dangerous as super-spreader events than Cummings could ever be.DougSeal said:
As in repeatedly pointed out to you I didn’t think Cummings should lose his job. I cared about his actions because he formulated the policy that he broke. You didn’t care that a symptomatic carrier of the virus spread it to the north but now you’re rattling your pearls. I also care about the infection rate going up as a result of this protest. And I also cared about the possibility of it going up after VE Day. You cared about today because you have a problem with the reason they are out. If it were a protest in support if Cummings you wouldn’t give a shit about infection.BluestBlue said:
Will mass protests with zero regard for social distancing increase the infection rate, and therefore the death rate?DougSeal said:
So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.BluestBlue said:
Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spreadScott_xP said:
I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
Of course they will - but suddenly you don't seem to care any more. How very strange!
But I bet we'll have to wait a loooooong time before the lefties conduct one of their famous witch-hunts against them, won't we?1 -
"What connects the most brazen forms of state violence against black people and the struggles of BAME coronavirus patients is systemic racism.
BY GARY YOUNGE"
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/we-cant-breathe0 -
He always was long winded but right now he would make a fine PresidentFrancisUrquhart said:Well that Obama bit was weird. I presumed he was going to come on and give a carefully crafted speech addressing the nations to call for peaceful protest & dialogue.
Instead it was like he was around for dinner and talking off the cuff about these protests he had seen on the telly and what we need is academic research, more elected positions, etc.0 -
I'm sure it has - why would a common mistake occurring between two similar terms with a different meaning have only begun in the late 20th century?Stark_Dawning said:
'Ferment' has been used as a synonym for 'foment' (stir up, exacerbate) since the 17th Century.Luckyguy1983 said:
As far as I'm concerned, it isn't acceptable. The Oxford English Dictionary can dumb down if it wants, doesn't mean I have to.Benpointer said:
It must have been a terrible merment when you learnt that!kle4 said:
I'm still flabbergasted to learn that apparently it is acceptable usage to use ferment instead of foment. I've been hanging my english snobbery on that for years.Benpointer said:
So what? English has evolved, is evolving, and will continue to evolve.squareroot2 said:
Almost daily...squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
You may be right but you may notrottenborough said:
The economic shitstorm that is coming, nicely compounded in the UK by No Deal, will pitch the Tories out for a generation.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris
It is impossible to predict in this climate0 -
You can edit within 6 minutes of posting.squareroot2 said:
Its my typing errors that let me down. .. and the lack of an edit facility.Theuniondivvie said:
You certainly give the English language a good 'battring'.squareroot2 said:
The English language is being altered almost by poor education and poor speech. Few speak anything close to received pronunciation anymore.kyf_100 said:
The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.TheScreamingEagles said:
I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.kyf_100 said:
Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?comradeogilvy said:Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.
This forum is not fit for purpose.
Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
Eg people say battries now instead of batteries.. and you was there wasnt you ?.and so on and so forth...0 -
Can you please tell me who the Labour "body" is?Stuartinromford said:
True, but that highlights the strategic mess that the Conservatives' tactical triumph risks.Mexicanpete said:
Boris reaches parts other Conservatives cannot reach.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you may either be jesting or are counting chickensrottenborough said:
True. But they have Starmer's 2024 landslide to end all landslides to look forward to.Big_G_NorthWales said:
2024 is wide open and I am convinced Starmer will not be facing Boris
Since electing BoJo, they have become something of a one man brand; there's Boris and a bunch of nobodies. If Boris fell under the proverbial No 12 bus tonight, it's hard to see who could replace him in the "reaching other parts" stakes. But without that reaching, even an 80 seat majority looks shaky.1
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