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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    Don't both have a point?

    The black lady is correct that more should be done to stop the inequality that causes black on black gang crime, whilst the white protestor is concerned with the racism of the American establishment
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    The World Health Organization (WHO) is resuming its trial of hydroxychloroquine as a potential treatment for coronavirus.

    Why is the Lancet always treated with such veneration? They sometimes give the impression of publishing any old rubbish that causes a hell of a lot of trouble when debunked. Weren't they the publishers of the original Wakefield MMR stuff? Do they see themselves as a genuinely impartial medical journal, or are they partial to promoting a bit of controversy to get themselves noticed...?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Andrew said:

    Alok Sharma apparently feeling like sh** and being tested for the rona atm.

    Going to make Rees-Mogg look kinda silly this, if he's positive they'll surely have to go back to the virtual parliament approach.

    Jacob Rees-Mogg has turned the mother of parliaments into the mother-in-law of parliaments.
    Some mother in laws are wonderful so I am told.
    Neither of my in-laws liked me.

    I don't know why a couple of socialist working class plastic Scousers didn't like me?
    Were they Everton fans ?
    Liverpool/Tranmere fans.
    Best combination. :)
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    isamisam Posts: 40,931
    On topic, it's possible to think a leader of a party you'd never vote for is doing a good job
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,465

    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,956

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
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    StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
    - Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election

    “Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.

    “We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”

    The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Barnesian said:



    No I haven't. I believe that the UK government is relying on data on deaths which is very out of date for an estimate of current infection rates i.e. current R. They don't explain their methodolgy so I can't benchmark.

    My methodology is similar to the German government methodology I believe. It is simple. I can do it for every region and every borough. I only do it for England and London because it is a fair amount of work extracting the data which can be found here.

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/


    Fair enough - appreciate the response.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,631
    Social distancing in the Netherlands makes our protestors look downright cautious.

    https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1268248718886735873
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,394
    I think we've hit peak Guardian.

    Apparently, Britain invented racism:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/03/racism-george-floyd-britain-america-uk-black-people
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,995

    Barnesian said:

    glw said:

    Barnesian said:

    Ave_it said:

    I bet the R in London is about 4 now! 😠

    My latest calculation of R is up to last Thursday the 28th based on reported cases.

    England 0.61 (-0.03)
    London 0.58 (+0.01)
    Richmond had its first case yesterday in the last eight days.

    The impact of today won't be seen until about June 10th.





    I think your charts are useful, but can you do something about the dates on the X axis? You've obviously gone to a fair bit of effort as it is, it would be nice to more clearly see the date for each point on the line.





    Just because I'm curious rather than anything else...have you got anything that "benchmarks" your curves against anything from a government briefing or equivalent?

    e.g. CMO says on date X that regions Y's R value is estimated to be Z, and your graph's equivalent value is ??? Just for the additional context/interpretation
    government estimate is in some of their presentations - 0.7 - 0.9 was the last estimate but happy to be updated.
    28th May - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/888353/2020-05-28_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides.pdf

    Slide 7

    The notes say:
    Current R: R is not usually a useful measure on its own and needs to be considered alongside the number of new cases. R is the average number of secondary cases directly generated by an individual case. The R number does not estimate how many people are currently infected. R is estimated from multiple data sources, including ICU/hospital admissions, ONS/CQC death figures, behavioural contact surveys, and others.

    My bold.

    I don't see how it can be Current R. It must be a historical figure. My method I believe gives the most up-to-date picture but I'm not a member of SAGE. Their method will undoubtedly be more complicated and sophisticated and more difficult to understand or critique.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,325

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    It's a French thing.

    From Wiki:

    The name Arkansas was initially applied to the Arkansas River. It derives from a French term, Arcansas, their plural term for their transliteration of akansa, an Algonquian term for the Quapaw people.[12] These were a Dhegiha Siouan-speaking people who settled in Arkansas around the 13th century. akansa is likely also the root term for Kansas.[12]

    The name has been pronounced and spelled in a variety of fashions.[c] In 1881, the state legislature defined the official pronunciation of Arkansas as having the final "s" be silent (as it would be in French). A dispute had arisen between the state's two senators over the pronunciation issue. One favored pronunciation as /ˈɑːrkənsɔː/ AR-kən-saw while the other favored /ɑːrˈkænzəs/ ar-KAN-zəs.[c]

    In 2007, the state legislature passed a non-binding resolution declaring that the possessive form of the state's name is Arkansas's, which has been followed increasingly by the state government.[14]
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    You'll love this, it's the bloody French... :D

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-arkansas-differently-2014-2
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    alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    The beauty of the English language? But it's presumably not or is it? Have a little drinkie and settle down.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    China’s Huawei Technologies acted to cover up its relationship with a firm that had tried to sell prohibited U.S. computer gear to Iran, after Reuters in 2013 reported deep links between the firm and the telecom-equipment giant’s chief financial officer, newly obtained internal Huawei documents show.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-iran-probe-exclusive/exclusive-huawei-hid-business-operation-in-iran-after-reuters-reported-links-to-cfo-idUSKBN23A19B
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969
    Scott_xP said:
    If they were all observing the 2m guidelines, none.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,148

    Good to see the three other officers have been charged with Aiding and Abetting a murder now. I've been calling for this all week and its belated but quite right that all 4 officers are now facing criminal charges.

    Very pleased, if surprised, that the Minneapolis DA is reading the PB message board.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
    Virtually all these protesters in London today will be on benefits! They don't work.

    Decent taxpayers have to pay for them while they spread Covid 19 everywhere!
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    China’s Huawei Technologies acted to cover up its relationship with a firm that had tried to sell prohibited U.S. computer gear to Iran, after Reuters in 2013 reported deep links between the firm and the telecom-equipment giant’s chief financial officer, newly obtained internal Huawei documents show.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-iran-probe-exclusive/exclusive-huawei-hid-business-operation-in-iran-after-reuters-reported-links-to-cfo-idUSKBN23A19B

    Ooops

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/exclusive-coronavirus-began-accident-disease-escaped-chinese/
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,986
    RobD said:

    If they were all observing the 2m guidelines, none.

    https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1267879200855396355
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    A small US sports subplot

    Fascinating tweet given this is in reply to his quarterback Drew Brees who has said he can't understand anyone disrespecting the American flag.
    Brees is the quarterback and Thomas perhaps the best wide receiver in the entire NFL at the New Orleans Saints so could be some pre-season tension...

    https://twitter.com/Cantguardmike/status/1268220772046307333
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,823
    edited June 2020
    alterego said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    The beauty of the English language? But it's presumably not or is it? Have a little drinkie and settle down.
    Was Arkansas originally in the French bit of America? That would explain it.

    Edit: just seen @RobD 's post.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    Pulpstar said:

    A small US sports subplot

    Fascinating tweet given this is in reply to his quarterback Drew Brees who has said he can't understand anyone disrespecting the American flag.
    Brees is the quarterback and Thomas perhaps the best wide receiver in the entire NFL at the New Orleans Saints so could be some pre-season tension...

    https://twitter.com/Cantguardmike/status/1268220772046307333


    https://twitter.com/YahooFinance/status/1268206174073126915?s=20
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,148
    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
    Virtually all these protesters in London today will be on benefits! They don't work.

    Decent taxpayers have to pay for them while they spread Covid 19 everywhere!
    That’s a remarkable claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
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    alteregoalterego Posts: 1,100

    China’s Huawei Technologies acted to cover up its relationship with a firm that had tried to sell prohibited U.S. computer gear to Iran, after Reuters in 2013 reported deep links between the firm and the telecom-equipment giant’s chief financial officer, newly obtained internal Huawei documents show.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-iran-probe-exclusive/exclusive-huawei-hid-business-operation-in-iran-after-reuters-reported-links-to-cfo-idUSKBN23A19B

    I'm shocked but I'm sure Mr President will be pleased - two birds ......
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    You'll love this, it's the bloody French... :D

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-arkansas-differently-2014-2
    though, bough, tough, cough, ought is all I have to say on that.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    You'll love this, it's the bloody French... :D

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-arkansas-differently-2014-2
    The bloody French!
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    TomsToms Posts: 2,478

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    And "cleave" might mean splitting from "nave" to "chops", but "cleaving to" someone means giving them a hug. English is a miraculous bastard language.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,986
    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,465
    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    You'll love this, it's the bloody French... :D

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-we-pronounce-kansas-and-arkansas-differently-2014-2
    though, bough, tough, cough, ought is all I have to say on that.
    And if we're being traditional, hiccough.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,148
    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    By all means lead by example, sir/madam. On topic comments are not prohibited, just frowned upon, like saying MacBeth in a theatre.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481
    Toms said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    And "cleave" might mean splitting from "nave" to "chops", but "cleaving to" someone means giving them a hug. English is a miraculous bastard language.
    I like the meanings of 'enjoined'.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    DougSeal said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
    Virtually all these protesters in London today will be on benefits! They don't work.

    Decent taxpayers have to pay for them while they spread Covid 19 everywhere!
    That’s a remarkable claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
    It's been like that since time immemorial. These people are spongers. And now they are doing real damage to this country by spreading Covid m
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,770
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    Only two, unless LEadsom is also in. Perhaps others have the corona cold cross immunity though ?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,148
    Nigelb said:

    Social distancing in the Netherlands makes our protestors look downright cautious.

    https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1268248718886735873

    And people seriously think we will be able to keep social distancing going indefinitely without a vaccine?
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    Fysics_TeacherFysics_Teacher Posts: 6,060

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    Just to confuse things even more, there is an Arkansas City, Kansas, which is pronounced Ah-Kansas.
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    No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 3,823
    alex_ said:

    Back on Priti Patel's leadership bid, er, quarantine. What were the penalties for breaking self isolation rules (with or without the virus)? They weren't £1000 were they? So why so harsh the second time around?

    I get that nobody wants a "second wave". But it's almost as if the first wave wasn't important! No wonder we ended up with so many deaths!

    The first wave can be blamed on the virus.
    A second wave can be blamed on the government.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    Only if you've been within 2m, right?
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    kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,956

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    The one that bugs me is when people pronounce trans in transport with a long ah, like "trance-port", but I'm yet to see anyone drive a "trance-it" van. Nor have I met any trance-sexuals, for that matter. Though perhaps I'm not visiting the right clubs.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/johnharris1969/status/1268275764513906689

    For context we are talking 50 people. It is driven mainly by the Weston Super-Mare hospital incident, where they sampled the staff and found 40% of those tested had it asymptotically, and now they are testing wider.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315
    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    Why just the cabinet
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    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
    Ah, so it is one of those arguments.
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    AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900



    Though that doesn't show the effect of the limited amount of testing before May.

    Yep - although as this as hospitals only it's not so bad, those numbers didn't expand quite so dramatically.



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    Round of applause for JRM and yet another idiotic idea?
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    dixiedean said:

    Breaking.
    Charges against Officer Chauvin raised to 2nd degree murder.
    Other 3 "aiding and abetting homicide."

    Rioting works.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,798

    Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
    - Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election

    “Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.

    “We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”

    The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him

    I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.
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    MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 755
    Starmer will rebuild the Labour party ready for whenever, but Boris gets a second term in 2024.

    Dominic Cummings' car ride will be forgotten by then. That story is just people clinging to the idea that things can go back to normal where a simple scandal dreamt up by an idiot can overturn someone's career. Meanwhile, oil's traded negative, Rice Futures have gone parabolic, the looting has only just started, the shootings are still to come, along with the global food shortages, and the endless chain of extreme action-extreme reaction within the longest depression in human history hasn't even begun. Boris won't be carrying the can for any of that, but by having to go face-to-face with every kind of shit imaginable, he'll hold on to a lot of 2019 voters.

    Dilyn and Carrie are vote-winners too.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    Only if they haven't socially distanced. Why wouldn't they have socially distanced?
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315

    alex_ said:

    Back on Priti Patel's leadership bid, er, quarantine. What were the penalties for breaking self isolation rules (with or without the virus)? They weren't £1000 were they? So why so harsh the second time around?

    I get that nobody wants a "second wave". But it's almost as if the first wave wasn't important! No wonder we ended up with so many deaths!

    The first wave can be blamed on the virus.
    A second wave can be blamed on the government.
    Todays protest in London could be as bad as Cheltenham and so many BME in their number
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,770
    RobD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    Only if you've been within 2m, right?
    If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    Toms said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Every time I think of getting involved in a discussion on PB I look at the comments and not a single one is about the article.

    This forum is not fit for purpose.

    Yes, but where do you stand on pineapple on pizza?
    I have to let you all into a little secret, in the past few days something has started to bug me even more than pineapple on pizza.

    Why do we pronounce the 'Kansas' in Arkansas differently to Kansas?
    And "cleave" might mean splitting from "nave" to "chops", but "cleaving to" someone means giving them a hug. English is a miraculous bastard language.
    Sanction - to sanction someone, vs to sanction an action.
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,986

    Only if they haven't socially distanced. Why wouldn't they have socially distanced?

    The cabinet room isn't big enough.

    And JRM's conga line got jammed up.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
    - Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election

    “Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.

    “We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”

    The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him

    I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.
    They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.

    If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,969

    RobD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    Only if you've been within 2m, right?
    If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.
    But in this case they do, so...
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,687
    Ave_it said:

    DougSeal said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
    Virtually all these protesters in London today will be on benefits! They don't work.

    Decent taxpayers have to pay for them while they spread Covid 19 everywhere!
    That’s a remarkable claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
    It's been like that since time immemorial. These people are spongers. And now they are doing real damage to this country by spreading Covid m
    So no, no evidence at all.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,770

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    Only if they haven't socially distanced. Why wouldn't they have socially distanced?
    There were photos yesterday of people in parliament not distancing, so it would take a weird kind of blind faith to assume the cabinet have followed the rules.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,148
    Ave_it said:

    DougSeal said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
    Virtually all these protesters in London today will be on benefits! They don't work.

    Decent taxpayers have to pay for them while they spread Covid 19 everywhere!
    That’s a remarkable claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
    It's been like that since time immemorial. These people are spongers. And now they are doing real damage to this country by spreading Covid m
    That’s your evidence? “These people are spongers?” I’m pretty sure John Boyega paid more to HM Treasury for the three Star Wars movies he was in than you will in a lifetime. I wasn’t there today but I’ve been on my share of protests - and I can assure you that I am no “sponger”.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    When was that rule set ?

    Because I don't think anyone has ever been infected twice.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    Why just the cabinet
    Try to keep up Big G 😊

    Starmer and Rayner have already self isolated- from making any meaningful contribution to Parliament!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,259
    DougSeal said:

    Nigelb said:

    Social distancing in the Netherlands makes our protestors look downright cautious.

    https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1268248718886735873

    And people seriously think we will be able to keep social distancing going indefinitely without a vaccine?
    Maybe the Swedes aren't as stupid as many assume?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    I would point out to OGH that while the leader with the best net approval rating normally wins the general election, the last leader who won while trailing on the best PM rating, where Boris still leads Starmer, but leading on net approval ie Thatcher when she won in 1979 also saw her party lead Callaghan's on voting intention too.

    So leading on net approval is not enough, Starmer also needs to lead or at least tie on voting intention as well
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,770
    edited June 2020

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    When was that rule set ?

    Because I don't think anyone has ever been infected twice.
    Last week when it was launched. Was asked on one of the daily briefings.
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    HYUFD said:

    I would point out to OGH that while the leader with the best net approval rating normally wins the general election, the last leader who won while trailing on the best PM rating, where Boris still leads Starmer, but leading on net approval ie Thatcher when she won in 1979 also saw her party lead Callaghan's on voting intention too.

    So leading on net approval is not enough, Starmer also needs to lead or at least tie on voting intention as well

    Good post.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    What's the current best estimate on active UK cases - 8,000 ?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2020
    Pulpstar said:

    What's the current best estimate on active UK cases - 8,000 ?

    Not active cases, new cases each day is ~8k (probably less now). But active cases is north of 100k.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,770
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    Only if you've been within 2m, right?
    If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.
    But in this case they do, so...
    Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.
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    BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    edited June 2020
    Scott_xP said:
    Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spread :open_mouth:

    I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions - and may even applaud them!
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,770
    DougSeal said:

    Ave_it said:

    DougSeal said:

    Ave_it said:

    Ave_it said:

    I think it will be a Hung Parliament.

    I think it's a bit early to make a prediction! 😊
    Not predicting, just pontificating
    Would you care to pontificate on the Hyde Park 'protest'? I'm a bit hazy, but I seem to remember your position on one man and his family driving somewhere during lockdown being 'robust'. I'd love to know your opinions on several hundred gathering at close quarters for a bit of horseplay and chucking stuff at the rozzers.
    If they're breaking the rules then the law should intervene as appropriate, obviously attacking the Police is unacceptable.

    I will support the right to protest in general and I wonder if you are going to use this to smear all protestors.
    Er, what? Of course people have a right to protest in general, they also have a right to drive to Durham in general. We weren't discussing what happens in general, we were discussing what happens during a pandemic. I presume you would agree that joining a mass protest carries considerably more danger than driving anywhere - even if (shock) the driver stops for a piss somewhere, so I assume you feel all the protestors should be dismissed from their jobs?
    Virtually all these protesters in London today will be on benefits! They don't work.

    Decent taxpayers have to pay for them while they spread Covid 19 everywhere!
    That’s a remarkable claim. Do you have any evidence to support it?
    It's been like that since time immemorial. These people are spongers. And now they are doing real damage to this country by spreading Covid m
    That’s your evidence? “These people are spongers?” I’m pretty sure John Boyega paid more to HM Treasury for the three Star Wars movies he was in than you will in a lifetime. I wasn’t there today but I’ve been on my share of protests - and I can assure you that I am no “sponger”.
    Posts like Ave Its are just a pathetic attempt to divide without any basis in reality.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Pulpstar said:

    What's the current best estimate on active UK cases - 8,000 ?

    Not active cases, new cases each day is ~8k (probably less now). But active cases is north of 100k.
    That seems implausibly high for the situation today to me.

    How long is a case active for on average? I thought it was 7 to 14 days and new cases was 8k a couple of weeks ago (and been lower every day since then). I don't see how you can reach 100k active from there?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,222

    Scott_xP said:
    Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge its spread :open_mouth:

    I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
    Oh dear! I thought you PB Tories now considered the Cummings affair so last week.
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,315
    Ave_it said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    Why just the cabinet
    Try to keep up Big G 😊

    Starmer and Rayner have already self isolated- from making any meaningful contribution to Parliament!
    Rayner yes but do not underestimate Starmer even though Boris won today's PMQs
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    Only if you've been within 2m, right?
    If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.
    But in this case they do, so...
    Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.
    But so could anyone.

    So is the whole country meant to self isolate because we might have been within 1m of an unknown Mr X ?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,481

    Pulpstar said:

    What's the current best estimate on active UK cases - 8,000 ?

    Not active cases, new cases each day is ~8k (probably less now). But active cases is north of 100k.
    That seems implausibly high for the situation today to me.

    How long is a case active for on average? I thought it was 7 to 14 days and new cases was 8k a couple of weeks ago (and been lower every day since then). I don't see how you can reach 100k active from there?
    7 to 14 days is when you are potentially infectious, but it can take much longer for you personally to get (seriously) ill.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411

    Scott_xP said:
    Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spread :open_mouth:

    I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
    Agreed. These demonstrators' actions will push the 50,000 up to 60,000+
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    Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 7,981
    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Breaking.
    Charges against Officer Chauvin raised to 2nd degree murder.
    Other 3 "aiding and abetting homicide."

    Rioting works.
    They are meant to arrest rioters, not choke them to death. There happens to be a difference... :open_mouth:
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,148

    Scott_xP said:
    Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spread :open_mouth:

    I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
    So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Pulpstar said:

    What's the current best estimate on active UK cases - 8,000 ?

    Not active cases, new cases each day is ~8k (probably less now). But active cases is north of 100k.
    That seems implausibly high for the situation today to me.

    How long is a case active for on average? I thought it was 7 to 14 days and new cases was 8k a couple of weeks ago (and been lower every day since then). I don't see how you can reach 100k active from there?
    7 to 14 days is when you are potentially infectious, but it can take much longer for you personally to get (seriously) ill.
    Still seems to be implausible to be north of 100k active.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,770

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    Only if you've been within 2m, right?
    If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.
    But in this case they do, so...
    Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.
    But so could anyone.

    So is the whole country meant to self isolate because we might have been within 1m of an unknown Mr X ?
    You are meant to self isolate if you are told to by NHS test and trace. It is that simple.

    Even though the government say we must do it, it is not a legal requirement, and those running the govt probably wont adhere to it themselves so do whatever you want.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
    - Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election

    “Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.

    “We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”

    The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him

    I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.
    They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.

    If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.
    Turnout at the Holyrood elections will be important. An SNP win on a turnout of 45% - 50% - or even 55% would probably not be viewed by Westminster as having sufficient moral force to override the result of a Referendum which saw a clear result on a turnout of nearly 85%.
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518
    Good opportunity to get rid of Rees Mogg i think
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    alex_alex_ Posts: 7,518

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
    - Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election

    “Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.

    “We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”

    The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him

    I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.
    They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.

    If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.
    Granting a referendum won't automatically lead to a Yes vote.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2020
    justin124 said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris Johnson is fighting on many fronts – but it’s the Scotland Question that could finish him
    - Why the biggest challenge to Johnson’s administration is the Scottish parliament election

    “Although No 10’s official position is that the Prime Minister would simply refuse to grant the Scottish government the right to hold another vote, most believe that position is contingent on public opinion north of the border.

    “We can reject a referendum as long as holding another one remains a priority only for the SNP’s conference floor,” one minister said to me recently. “Once it becomes an issue of fairness for the average Scottish voter, we’re in trouble.”

    The Union between Great Britain and Northern Ireland doesn’t concern most MPs, but the Union between England and Scotland certainly does“

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/boris-johnson-fighting-many-fronts-it-s-scotland-question-could-finish-him

    I know they insist they would not grant another under any circumstances, but I just don't think they can sustain that. I'd fear it being lost, but if they want one notwithstanding past events it cannot be put off long.
    They'll keep insisting it until the day after the next Scottish Parliament election. Not granting one would be Scottish Tory policy at that election so there won't be any prevaricating on the matter.

    If the SNP win a majority though then that'd be reason to change potentially. Whether they will then or not is another question, but it won't change before then.
    Turnout at the Holyrood elections will be important. An SNP win on a turnout of 45% - 50% - or even 55% would probably not be viewed by Westminster as having sufficient moral force to override the result of a Referendum which saw a clear result on a turnout of nearly 85%.
    Mate the referendum was on whether we wanted independence in 2014 not whether we wanted to never have a referendum ever again.
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    Ave_itAve_it Posts: 2,411
    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Deaths are too high ... so let's have thousands of people go on a mass protest to really turbocharge the spread :open_mouth:

    I look forward to every single one of them getting the Cummings witch-hunt treatment ... but I suspect the same people who considered that the crime of the century won't give a damn about their actions.
    So Ave ‘It says they’re all spongers but you imply that the protesters today are senior government advisers with a responsibility for setting the rules that public opinion considers to have been broken. Interesting takes from the right today.
    An interesting interpretation of that post Doug....
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,148
    Scott_xP said:
    Whatever the size of Johnson’s Johnson it hasn’t held him back. Perhaps it really is what you do with it?
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,986
    alex_ said:

    Good opportunity to get rid of Rees Mogg i think

    Can BoZo afford to sack him?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,101

    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    DougSeal said:

    Scott_xP said:

    According to track and trace, should the whole cabinet not self isolate now?

    I think a fair number have had it already
    You still have to self isolate. The rules are clear on that one.
    Only if you've been within 2m, right?
    If you are told to by NHS test and trace. You dont know who it is (although they may be able to guess its Sharma, it could be someone else as well), so wont know how close you were to them.
    But in this case they do, so...
    Not at all, Sharma caught it from someone, call them Mr X. You might have been 3m from Sharma but 1m from Mr X.
    But so could anyone.

    So is the whole country meant to self isolate because we might have been within 1m of an unknown Mr X ?
    You are meant to self isolate if you are told to by NHS test and trace. It is that simple.

    Even though the government say we must do it, it is not a legal requirement, and those running the govt probably wont adhere to it themselves so do whatever you want.
    Sounds unworkable to me.
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