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RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1267126180202897409

Are they still going to be asking about Cummings next week?

Mexicanpete said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1267105533351297025

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1267110299192229891

Does this still apply if one of the parties has an appendage that is greater in length than 2 metres?

Alistair said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The BLM movement is a bit like Extinction Rebellion. There is a genuine issue, but the leaders of these movements are about much more. They don't just want the police to better held accountable for their crimes or for the government to tilt our economy to be more green to tackle climate change, they want total overthrow of the capitalist system.

Fairly certain they'd be happy with the state not Murdering Black people with impunity.

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The BLM movement is a bit like Extinction Rebellion. There is a genuine issue, but the leaders of these movements are about much more. They don't just want the police to better held accountable for their crimes or for the government to tilt our economy to be more green to tackle climate change, they want total overthrow of the capitalist system.

Fairly certain they'd be happy with the state not Murdering Black people with impunity.

I don't think they'd be happy with that. They still exist in the UK, and our police do not murder black people with impunity.

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Sandpit said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

Yes, extending the transition period comes complete with our ‘share’ of the €750bn bill attached to it, as well as the usual £350m a week. Why do you think Barnier is so desparate for the extension?

Well the bill has already been split across all the payers and all the recpients and has been agreed in that form. Barnier has been explaining to the UK what its options are nothing more. Fortunately the UK government and the whisky salesman who is representing it are keen for the country's economy to get to the bottom of the cliff as quickly as possible.

It certainly has not been agreed in the EU

https://twitter.com/EUwatchers/status/1264792337546346496?s=20

The frugal states have been given what they wanted: EUR250BN has been added as loans with the original EUR500BN in grants retained. I anticipate that it will get to 1trn by the end. In any case the countries which need the money will get it and the countries that want a yield will get theirs.

You seem to ignore eadric explanation altogether

Because he hasn't explained anything and referred to an old article. The original plan was EUR500BN of grants. The frugals didn't like it and so the new proposal adds EUR250BN of loans. The end deal could be up at a EUR1TRN. The bottom line is that the two biggest members of the EU want this and so it is what is going to happen.

People tend to underestimate the political will underpinning the EU and the Euro. It's huge. So whatever fate throws at it Gloria Gaynor applies. There is much to be gained from realising this.

Mexicanpete said:

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

If the EU were to accept that, there are 27 other countries that would think, hang on, UK are getting a better deal than we are.

BluestBlue said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

RobD said:

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1267126180202897409

Are they still going to be asking about Cummings next week?

Next week definitely, next month probably, next year, possible.

June 1st 2050:

PM: So as we have said, our asteroid-interceptors are now locked on and making their final approach on the target, after the Russian and Mexican interceptors failed earlier this week. Our scientists believe there is now only an 36% percentage chance we that will be able to avoid an extinction-level event for the human race.

Journalist: Please stop dodging the real issues, Prime Minister. Let me ask you again - when is Dominic Cummings going to resign?

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

Scott_xP said:

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1267130142444466177

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The BLM movement is a bit like Extinction Rebellion. There is a genuine issue, but the leaders of these movements are about much more. They don't just want the police to better held accountable for their crimes or for the government to tilt our economy to be more green to tackle climate change, they want total overthrow of the capitalist system.

Fairly certain they'd be happy with the state not Murdering Black people with impunity.

I don't think they'd be happy with that. They still exist in the UK, and our police do not murder black people with impunity.

Mark Duggan and Jean Charles de Menezes might beg to differ - if they were still alive...

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

So just to be clear, you don't actually know any Europeans?

Thank you for your concern regarding my genitalia but it is quite misplaced. If you could imagine a massively oversized aubergine and two grapefruits containing levels of energy that Space X would be jealous off you'd be closer to the mark.

I actually genuinely enjoyed that little snark so keep them coming; the banter at home is nothing on the office sadly!

I am happy to discourse with you, but can we please keep the focus on the tiny nature of your blackly wizened private parts.

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

isam said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Alistair said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

The BLM movement is a bit like Extinction Rebellion. There is a genuine issue, but the leaders of these movements are about much more. They don't just want the police to better held accountable for their crimes or for the government to tilt our economy to be more green to tackle climate change, they want total overthrow of the capitalist system.

Fairly certain they'd be happy with the state not Murdering Black people with impunity.

I don't think they'd be happy with that. They still exist in the UK, and our police do not murder black people with impunity.

Mark Duggan and Jean Charles de Menezes might beg to differ - if they were still alive...

Blimey I made that comment about Mark Duggan as a joke!!! Fair enough re Jean Charles de Menezes (although was he black?)

Luckyguy1983 said:

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

Sounds good, but do you think the EU would be happy to pay a fee for a year's continued membership of our single market? Difficult domestic sell for them.

kle4 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

I was always deeply skeptical of entering into a wide ranging deal with the EU post-Brexit, as is on record, but if we really really must have a deal, I wonder if they'd like an aircraft carrier? Given that the two QE class carriers always seemed destined for the EU army anyway. The EU would love an aircraft carrier.

Given the government had wanted to cancel the programme for them but found it prohibitive to do so, why not I guess.

MarqueeMark said:

Scott_xP said:

Brexiteers still seem to think the negotiations are a game of chicken, and have yet to work out the EU is a train...

The EU have yet to work out they are heading full steam for the buffers.

FrancisUrquhart said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267132763116838913?s=19

isam said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

While we are making sweeping assumptions... earlier today I heard The Lightning Seeds on the radio, and for some reason thought "I bet men who like this band get cheated on by their girlfriends"

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1267133805913137158

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

If the EU were to accept that, there are 27 other countries that would think, hang on, UK are getting a better deal than we are.

The fee would need to be enough to address that.

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

So just to be clear, you don't actually know any Europeans?

Thank you for your concern regarding my genitalia but it is quite misplaced. If you could imagine a massively oversized aubergine and two grapefruits containing levels of energy that Space X would be jealous off you'd be closer to the mark.

I actually genuinely enjoyed that little snark so keep them coming; the banter at home is nothing on the office sadly!

I am happy to discourse with you, but can we please keep the focus on the tiny nature of your blackly wizened private parts.

No_Offence_Alan said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

If the EU were to accept that, there are 27 other countries that would think, hang on, UK are getting a better deal than we are.

The fee would need to be enough to address that.

£350m a week?

Andy_JS said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1267133805913137158

Churches without hymns is like PB without opinion polls.

Stuartinromford said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

If the EU were to accept that, there are 27 other countries that would think, hang on, UK are getting a better deal than we are.

The fee would need to be enough to address that.

£350m a week?

If the EU really wanted to stir (innocent face), how about £300m a week? After all, that would be cheaper than Boris told everyone full membership was...

No_Offence_Alan said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

If the EU were to accept that, there are 27 other countries that would think, hang on, UK are getting a better deal than we are.

The fee would need to be enough to address that.

£350m a week?

dr_spyn said:

Had begun to wonder if the robust policing in the USA had changed in any way for the better over the last 50 years.

IshmaelZ said:

kinabalu said:

isam said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

While we are making sweeping assumptions... earlier today I heard The Lightning Seeds on the radio, and for some reason thought "I bet men who like this band get cheated on by their girlfriends"

Cuckold Rock - probably a whole genre here if one cares to explores it.

Supertramp?

coldplay

kinabalu said:

IshmaelZ said:

kinabalu said:

isam said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

While we are making sweeping assumptions... earlier today I heard The Lightning Seeds on the radio, and for some reason thought "I bet men who like this band get cheated on by their girlfriends"

Cuckold Rock - probably a whole genre here if one cares to explores it.

Supertramp?

coldplay

Oh god yes.

Man sits there moping around to "Yellow" while wife is at the club working on her backhand.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Talking about our navy...

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/status/1267007082982780928

Luckyguy1983 said:

Stuartinromford said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

kinabalu said:

Mexicanpete said:

kinabalu said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

My prediction -

A deal with phase1 starting 1 Jan 2021. End of FM. Fee for 1 years continued frictionless access to the SM.

Target date 31 Dec 2021 to agree phase2. The trade deal.

An extension without an extension. The hot populist issue - immigration - defused.

The trade deal ends up as close alignment - soft Brexit - possibly after further delay (depending on pandemic and extent of economic and financial crisis).

If the EU were to accept that, there are 27 other countries that would think, hang on, UK are getting a better deal than we are.

The fee would need to be enough to address that.

£350m a week?

If the EU really wanted to stir (innocent face), how about £300m a week? After all, that would be cheaper than Boris told everyone full membership was...

If we gave them the aircraft carrier, most of the spending would be in our past. But saving them from an awful lot of spending in their future.

I would throw in Trident for the same reasons if I thought the EU would be daft enough to want it.

SandyRentool said:

My source in the financial services sector (OK, my nephew) reckons that some companies in the sector aren't looking at reopening offices until next year. And even then, attendance will be optional. Providers of food and drink in the City and Docklands might as well give up now.

isam said:

kinabalu said:

isam said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

While we are making sweeping assumptions... earlier today I heard The Lightning Seeds on the radio, and for some reason thought "I bet men who like this band get cheated on by their girlfriends"

Cuckold Rock - probably a whole genre here if one cares to explores it.

Supertramp?

Cuckold Rock, very good!

Coldplay, as someone else said, or is that more Boffin Rock?

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Senior public health officials have made a last-minute plea for ministers to scrap Monday’s easing of the coronavirus lockdown in England, warning the country is unprepared to deal with any surge in infection and that public resolve to take steps to limit transmisson has been eroded.

The Association of Directors of Public Health (ADPH) said new rules, including allowing groups of up to six people to meet outdoors and in private gardens, were “not supported by the science” and that pictures of crowded beaches and beauty spots over the weekend showed “the public is not keeping to social distancing as it was”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/health-officials-make-last-minute-plea-to-stop-lockdown-easing-happy-monday?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What do you think is the right approach now?

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

My source in the financial services sector (OK, my nephew) reckons that some companies in the sector aren't looking at reopening offices until next year. And even then, attendance will be optional. Providers of food and drink in the City and Docklands might as well give up now.

We're working on the assumption of at least one spike at the time of normal flu season, so we're prepped for working at home until February/March time, absent a vaccine.

There's no way a staggered working day works for us, especially as most of us commute on the train/tram where service is going to be reduced to 20% capacity.

Same here - the reasoning is, why do we need to go in? A few people might need to be physically present every now and then...

In the longer run, yes, the issues about cross-pollination of ideas, meeting other groups, careers etc may have some effect. But in the 6 month range? No.

The only really issue is some people being sick of working from home.

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Senior public health officials have made a last-minute plea for ministers to scrap Monday’s easing of the coronavirus lockdown in England, warning the country is unprepared to deal with any surge in infection and that public resolve to take steps to limit transmisson has been eroded.

The Association of Directors of Public Health (ADPH) said new rules, including allowing groups of up to six people to meet outdoors and in private gardens, were “not supported by the science” and that pictures of crowded beaches and beauty spots over the weekend showed “the public is not keeping to social distancing as it was”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/health-officials-make-last-minute-plea-to-stop-lockdown-easing-happy-monday?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What do you think is the right approach now?

Stay at home as much as possible until we get a decent track and trace system in place with R being well below one, and the incident rate is a lot fewer than 8k per day is a good place to start.

isam said:

kinabalu said:

IshmaelZ said:

kinabalu said:

isam said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

eadric said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

not_on_fire said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

anotherex_tory said:

Stark_Dawning said:

DougSeal said:

https://twitter.com/TheEconomist/status/1267097270727651328

But don't we still have to fork out for this fund anyway if the transition period is extended, and all the stuff with Cummings is just a Remainer plot to ensure that happens? (I think I'm following this correctly.)

It's part of the next EU budget which doesn't include the UK. I assume that if the UK extends then an interim bill for the benefit of Single Market access will be thrashed out - hence the 30 June deadline as these things can't be sorted out between 11pm and midnight on 31 December.

The UK will not extend the transistion and the 1st July looks near odds on for the end of negotiations and UK move to WTO

Barnier still does not seem to understand the transition extension has been legislated against by HMG and the WDA requires in EU law for an extension to be agreed on or before 30th June

We all need to hope that post the 1st July Barnier will realise he has run out of time and will then address the consequencies

Barnier definitely knows that; if you know it he knows it.

No one seems to understand; the EU has set out its stall and that is that ex-members don't get the benefits of existing ones and they certainly don't get preferential access without some commitments. Now you and I can argue about the definition of existing benefits and preferential access and LPF arrangements but the EU is a rules based organisation and what they've offered is is what will be given to the UK.

The UK is an adolescent based organisation that thinks that intermittently weeping or slamming doors will somehow get it what it wants.

It won't.

No weeping, no slamming of doors, just not being dictated to on tax rates, state subsidies, and laws ruled by the ECJ

I voted remain but since have supported brexit. I regret TM deal was not passed but we are now in a position, especially post covid, that we will be free to act to mitigate the economic damage and do it on our own terms

Interesting todays poll sees a move to leave and once it becomes clear the EU want 24 billion to keep us in a 2 year transition, and that we become responsible for contributions to Brussels to save the eurozone, that poll is likely to increase substantially

The idea that we’ll be able to fix the damage from COVID all by ourselves is laughable. There’s never been a better time to be part of a larger bloc.

Not with the EU economic armageddon

Why? If theid crist and in general aren't strengthened by Brexit and its influence in Europe will be at its lowest point in centuries.

Yes yes yes, fascinating.

Your analysis of the European situation would be more impactful if you hadn't just confirmed that you misunderstand the most basic facts about the EU.

eg The EU frugals don't want any covid grants, they only want loans. Instead the EU has proposed to do loans AND grants, so the frugals are mightily pissed off.

https://twitter.com/Jimbo0o0/status/1265551412651573249?s=20

There, that's your first lesson

So you still aren't very articulate - its is twenty past five I suppose so its a downward slope from here - there are 27 different voices in the EU, they may all be coming from different positions and with a different shopping list but they will compromise to keep the project going. Thats the thing you don't seem to understand that people can have a larger understanding of the things that affect them.

Do you actually know any Europeans on a personal or a professional level? If you do maybe ask them whether they would support flouncing out of the EU over supporting the poorer countries and essentially tear up the project and their trading relationships.

I get the impression your quite tight - in both meanings of the word.

I get the impression you are an embittered Remoaner who hasn't had sex in several years.

You all sound the same: you all have that distinctive, reedy, effeminately pompous tone of voice: simultaneously shrill, strident, epicene, and petulant, and typically allied to a bizarre lack of fundamental knowledge, as here.

I suspect you personally have weirdly shrivelled genitals, giving the appearance of small pieces of coal, like the later Habsburgs.

While we are making sweeping assumptions... earlier today I heard The Lightning Seeds on the radio, and for some reason thought "I bet men who like this band get cheated on by their girlfriends"

Cuckold Rock - probably a whole genre here if one cares to explores it.

Supertramp?

coldplay

Oh god yes.

Man sits there moping around to "Yellow" while wife is at the club working on her backhand.

The Smiths had a bit more edge to them... but I still think they are Cuckold Rock

kinabalu said:

SandyRentool said:

My source in the financial services sector (OK, my nephew) reckons that some companies in the sector aren't looking at reopening offices until next year. And even then, attendance will be optional. Providers of food and drink in the City and Docklands might as well give up now.

The Square Mile will never be the same. Feel a bit sad about this despite my dim view of it. Some of the best times of my life came with that 3rd bottle in some little courtyard as late afternoon turned to early evening.

FrancisUrquhart said:

Just looking the tw@tter machine of people advocating for supporting the protests, a commonly shared link is to this...

https://www.papermag.com/where-to-donate-protests-minneapolis-2646128317.html

Including funds such as,

The Black Visions Collective Movement and Legal Fund, a Black, trans and queer-led organization, is helping lead the protests and advocating to defund the police in Minnesota.

Reclaim the Block, a Minnesota org that lobbies for defunding the police and re-routing funds to affordable housing, health, violence prevention, civil right and renter protections.

Defund the police will achieve what? Lower crime? What about better fund the police to be properly trained?

And paying the bail for "protesters". So these people are happy to bail people who you don't know what they were arrested for, and more than likely for looting and violence.

TheScreamingEagles said:

isam said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Senior public health officials have made a last-minute plea for ministers to scrap Monday’s easing of the coronavirus lockdown in England, warning the country is unprepared to deal with any surge in infection and that public resolve to take steps to limit transmisson has been eroded.

The Association of Directors of Public Health (ADPH) said new rules, including allowing groups of up to six people to meet outdoors and in private gardens, were “not supported by the science” and that pictures of crowded beaches and beauty spots over the weekend showed “the public is not keeping to social distancing as it was”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/health-officials-make-last-minute-plea-to-stop-lockdown-easing-happy-monday?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What do you think is the right approach now?

Stay at home as much as possible until we get a decent track and trace system in place with R being well below one, and the incident rate is a lot fewer than 8k per day is a good place to start.

Malmesbury said:

Same here - the reasoning is, why do we need to go in? A few people might need to be physically present every now and then...

In the longer run, yes, the issues about cross-pollination of ideas, meeting other groups, careers etc may have some effect. But in the 6 month range? No.

The only really issue is some people being sick of working from home.

SandyRentool said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Malmesbury said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SandyRentool said:

My source in the financial services sector (OK, my nephew) reckons that some companies in the sector aren't looking at reopening offices until next year. And even then, attendance will be optional. Providers of food and drink in the City and Docklands might as well give up now.

We're working on the assumption of at least one spike at the time of normal flu season, so we're prepped for working at home until February/March time, absent a vaccine.

There's no way a staggered working day works for us, especially as most of us commute on the train/tram where service is going to be reduced to 20% capacity.

Same here - the reasoning is, why do we need to go in? A few people might need to be physically present every now and then...

In the longer run, yes, the issues about cross-pollination of ideas, meeting other groups, careers etc may have some effect. But in the 6 month range? No.

The only really issue is some people being sick of working from home.

The schools thing is a real issue for a lot of people, why send your kids back for six weeks?

Having kids at home is a distraction, and people not pressing mute on calls are my biggest barriers to working at home.

A conference call wouldn't be a conference call without at least one barking dog and a squawking child in the background.