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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    edited May 2020
    Sandpit said:

    Fox now showing police abandoned scores of police vehicles in Philadelphia. Mob all over them.

    National Guard on the way?
    Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...

    (No, Mr. Trump, it was a reference from Aliens. The movie? You know - jeez, I didn't mean it as a policy suggestion.... can you call them back or something?)
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    Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Charles said:

    So where does the 8000 number people are citing come from?
    Presumably derived from a guess as to what percentage of total infections in the community are actually identified through testing?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Football - Does anyone have a clue what's happening with League One?

    League Two seems to be cancelled. Premiership and Championship coming back, but I don't see any news on League One?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2020

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,921
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,618
    Charles said:

    So where does the 8000 number people are citing come from?
    Pillar 1 tests are for symptomatic people, the random sampling is everyone so it will get asymptomatic cases too.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,351
    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    I'll put you down as a maybe.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    Don't forget he is also shit at business.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144

    Football - Does anyone have a clue what's happening with League One?

    League Two seems to be cancelled. Premiership and Championship coming back, but I don't see any news on League One?

    Last time they met they were deadlocked.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Seriously? Redundancies? Hmmm.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Well you'll be pleased to know that's there's a massive amount of science being done on the ISS, including monitoring of this here big blue planet.

    With this mission, the cost of that science just reduced dramatically, thanks to the unprecedented use of a privately-developed rocket from SpaceX by NASA.

    It's also a great diplomatic tool, the one project in which the USA and Russia co-operate fully and share all their data. Much better that they put their resources into exploring the universe together, than in pointing thousands of nukes at each other.
    Science on the space station. Can we grow cress in zero gravity?

    Pointless.
    Unhuh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_research_on_the_International_Space_Station

    And a complete misunderstanding of the value of research science.
    From that article:

    "Research on the ISS improves knowledge about the effects of long-term space exposure on the human body." Pointless. We live on earth, not in space.

    "Researchers are investigating the effect of the station's near-weightless environment on the evolution, development, growth and internal processes of plants and animals." Like I said, growing cress. Pointless.
    Utterly misunderstanding the value of research science.
    Take a look at the actual list of experiments, and its breadth, and explain why that might not, at some time in the future, be of value.

    You are basically arguing that all large scale fundamental science experiments are worthless. That is just silly.
    This so-called cutting-edge science is used as a fig leaf to justify the load of nonsense that is the space station.

    I have nothing against fundamental research. But pissing goodness knows how much on a vanity project isn't best use of the research budget.

    And as for the notion we have some sort of divine right to the resources on other planets and asteroids, if I was ever going to do a philosophy PhD, this would be the topic.
    Has someone else claimed it or something?
    Watching "The Expanse" at the moment. So-so Space drama. But there are a couple of nice concepts, including the Belters' (those who live in the Asteroid Belt and beyond) disdain for the Earther's presumption that they own everything they look upon.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    And the GOP response?

    https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1267065733290344448
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Nope.
    Cheap access to space is useful in all kinds of ways.
    If Starlink works (and it's a big *if*), then for the cost of about $10bn 90% of the world's population will be able to fast (and relatively low latency) internet access.

    That is utterly transformational. Think about that for a second: for less than half what AT&T spends on capital expenditure every year, you can bring broadband internet to the world.
    Starlink if it works will be utterly transformational.

    Proposals to invest in Fibre etc seem utterly moot if Starlink works.
    Starlink will not be great for really dense places, like big cities. Partly, that's because your Starlink antenna will need a clear view of as much of the sky as possible. And partly that's because each satellite will only have so much bandwidth to share. If one satellite has (say) ten gigabits of bandwidth and right now it's over the Highlands of Scotland, that will be more than enough. But if it's over London or New York, it won't be sufficient.
    Considering existing technology works to serve London etc quite well that's not a bad thing.
    Both broadband and mobile phone reception are fairly crappy in some bits of London.
    Remind me - why does anybody still live in London?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    And the GOP response?

    https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1267065733290344448
    Trump destroyed what Obama had done and pissed on it. This is the result of 4 years of Trump.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013

    Football - Does anyone have a clue what's happening with League One?

    League Two seems to be cancelled. Premiership and Championship coming back, but I don't see any news on League One?

    I believe they are fundamentally split.
    Mind you League One has been a shambles from the start this season.
    One expelled, one deducted so many points as to make it pointless, Coventry playing home games in err Birmingham.
    And Sunderland to boot.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Nope.
    Cheap access to space is useful in all kinds of ways.
    If Starlink works (and it's a big *if*), then for the cost of about $10bn 90% of the world's population will be able to fast (and relatively low latency) internet access.

    That is utterly transformational. Think about that for a second: for less than half what AT&T spends on capital expenditure every year, you can bring broadband internet to the world.
    Starlink if it works will be utterly transformational.

    Proposals to invest in Fibre etc seem utterly moot if Starlink works.
    Starlink will not be great for really dense places, like big cities. Partly, that's because your Starlink antenna will need a clear view of as much of the sky as possible. And partly that's because each satellite will only have so much bandwidth to share. If one satellite has (say) ten gigabits of bandwidth and right now it's over the Highlands of Scotland, that will be more than enough. But if it's over London or New York, it won't be sufficient.
    Considering existing technology works to serve London etc quite well that's not a bad thing.
    Both broadband and mobile phone reception are fairly crappy in some bits of London.
    Remind me - why does anybody still live in London?
    Not all of us can stand all that greenness in Devon. :wink:
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    He's bloody loving this, the orange bastard. Thinks it will get him reelected by the silent majority.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267187902192193538
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,351

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Seriously? Redundancies? Hmmm.
    Absolutely, the major problem is they thought there was a pent up demand but it is not happening. Quite regularly there are more staff on a ward then patients. The staff have nothing to do. They are being forced to take annual leave. They can see no change coming and with Covid dying out it’s a situation that cant continue.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    Football - Does anyone have a clue what's happening with League One?

    League Two seems to be cancelled. Premiership and Championship coming back, but I don't see any news on League One?

    I believe they are fundamentally split.
    Mind you League One has been a shambles from the start this season.
    One expelled, one deducted so many points as to make it pointless, Coventry playing home games in err Birmingham.
    And Sunderland to boot.
    As a Tranmere fan whether it plays to the end or not isn't pointless . . .
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    OllyTOllyT Posts: 4,921
    edited May 2020

    IshmaelZ said:

    Nigelb said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Nope.
    Cheap access to space is useful in all kinds of ways.
    If Starlink works (and it's a big *if*), then for the cost of about $10bn 90% of the world's population will be able to fast (and relatively low latency) internet access.

    That is utterly transformational. Think about that for a second: for less than half what AT&T spends on capital expenditure every year, you can bring broadband internet to the world.

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    The limitless resources of the cosmos and the technological innovations accelerated by the rigours of exploring it don't hold any appeal? If we're currently using the resources of multiple Earths the best thing to do might be to find new Earths to supply us...
    Voyager 1 was launched in 1977. It is now 20 odd light hours away. The nearest possible planet is 4.2 light years away, and the chances of that planet being in any way human habitable are at least 1m to 1 against. We ain't going nowhere, and this is not a Yeah, but they said heavier then air flight was impossible kind of point. And if we were, the relative distances and levels of technology are such that you going upstairs in your house and saying Yay, I'm in space is about as useful for hypothetical extra solar system exploration as sending more bods to the iss.
    The potential resources of the solar system are quite enough for now,
    The stars will have to wait for our descendants.
    Getting more stuff from elsewhere to be consumed on earth exacerbates rather than ameliorates our long term problems.
    What long term problems?

    If there's more stuff to consume then great, humanity has a voracious appetite and more stuff can be consumed better.
    21st century conquistadors. Wearing silly helmets and pissing in their pants.
    "Conquistadors"?

    You're worried we might enslave the Martians?
    I'm thinking more of the appropriation of gold and silver.
    So long as its economically viable why shouldn't we be mining valuable minerals from asteroids? What good argument is there against it?
    The argument is that they have rights. The right to exist unmolested by a species from another planet.

    Of course, our species has trampled over the rights of every other species on this planet and huge swathes of the landscape, so I fully expect us to extend this behaviour beyond the earth. Sadly.
    You could say that Covid-19, Ebola, HIV-Aids, Sars etc are payback for trampling over every other species on our planet and treating animals with no respect.

    As Dr Jane Goodall has argued we brought coronavirus on ourselves because of the way we treat animals.

    We never learn - perhaps these are increasingly powerful warning shots and the next one will wipe us out completely, who knows?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    TBF in the Floyd case 3 have been sacked and one charged with third degree murder
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,164

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    They have been

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52854025
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823
    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    So where does the 8000 number people are citing come from?
    Pillar 1 tests are for symptomatic people, the random sampling is everyone so it will get asymptomatic cases too.
    Are positive antibody tests counted? We are all getting tested at my Trust in the next week or two.

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Plenty of work in my Trust. Our problems are more those of capacity, and Social Distancing as I outlined in my header last Sunday.

    All planned admissions are being swabbed 14 days in advance and told to self isolate until afmission. There seem to be enough takers.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Charles said:

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    TBF in the Floyd case 3 have been sacked and one charged with third degree murder
    Not enough. The 3 should have been charged with felony murder too.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,627
    This is pretty disgusting.

    There were hordes of teenagers (not from the area) at my mum and dad's this weekend playing in the river nearby - driven in. They turned the banks to mud.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52867696
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    And the GOP response?

    https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1267065733290344448
    Trump destroyed what Obama had done and pissed on it. This is the result of 4 years of Trump.
    Yep. Whoever this woman is she is another GOP liar.

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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,139
    Foxy said:

    DougSeal said:

    The attitudes of the authoritarian left scare me

    DougSeal said:

    stodge said:


    Same here - the reasoning is, why do we need to go in? A few people might need to be physically present every now and then...

    In the longer run, yes, the issues about cross-pollination of ideas, meeting other groups, careers etc may have some effect. But in the 6 month range? No.

    The only really issue is some people being sick of working from home.

    The problem with WAH is you need to create the same distractions that are present in every office - conversations about work or more often not about work, the gossip, the banter, the social aspects of the working experience.

    Many companies have tried to replicate that via "virtual cuppas" or the "virtual corridor" but you can't structure an unstructured activity and hope it has the same effect. Other companies think because their employees are at home they can and should work harder and longer.

    WAH doesn't work for everyone - I have a colleague who has four school aged daughters. He is desperate to get back to the office.

    Some call it working from home, others call it bringing your work into your home. If the office is dead it could, counterintuitively, be a massive setback for women’s equality in the workplace because...erm...there won’t be one. Women are to be asked to share their workspace with their childcare space and they will, in all likelihood, have to prioritise the latter. Men will not have that pressure. Being able to get out of the house was to half our population the liberating event of the twentieth century. If we pressure everyone to stay home the effects on that half will be quite different.
    Well - yet again - it’s not going to be all or nothing is it? People will end up working at home 2-3 days a week and in the office 2-3 days a week, I should think.

    Working in the office five days is daft - you need some time to focus without distractions, which is impossible in the crazy open plan offices of today.

    But, some collaborative time is great. So be flexible, work 2-5 days a fortnight at home, and enjoy the best of all worlds.
    Not sure how you get “authoritarian left” from that post. I thought it a bit wet myself
    What post? I was referring to Sandy’s nightly “dickhead” reports.

    “Dickheads”, AKA human beings who are sick of being incarcerated by a clueless clown-based government.

    I’d probably be cast as a left-libertarian compared to most PBers, although I always considered myself very moderate.

    The ‘lock ‘em up’ stuff is pretty nauseating.
    I don't see the lockdown argument as a right/left or Remain/Leave thing. It may have a trend that way, but does crossover. I see some of the measures as pointless, and unduly restrictive of low risk activity, others quite wise. Centrist in all things...
    Yes, quite. I don’t think it aligns on left-right lines at all. There’s a libertarian strand to my thinking that finds the whole thing creepy. As you say, some measures are very wise, but I don’t like the snitching and bitching.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    This is pretty disgusting.

    There were hordes of teenagers (not from the area) at my mum and dad's this weekend playing in the river nearby - driven in. They turned the banks to mud.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52867696

    We need rain. Buckets of cold, cold rain.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2020

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Nope.
    Cheap access to space is useful in all kinds of ways.
    If Starlink works (and it's a big *if*), then for the cost of about $10bn 90% of the world's population will be able to fast (and relatively low latency) internet access.

    That is utterly transformational. Think about that for a second: for less than half what AT&T spends on capital expenditure every year, you can bring broadband internet to the world.
    Starlink if it works will be utterly transformational.

    Proposals to invest in Fibre etc seem utterly moot if Starlink works.
    Starlink will not be great for really dense places, like big cities. Partly, that's because your Starlink antenna will need a clear view of as much of the sky as possible. And partly that's because each satellite will only have so much bandwidth to share. If one satellite has (say) ten gigabits of bandwidth and right now it's over the Highlands of Scotland, that will be more than enough. But if it's over London or New York, it won't be sufficient.
    Considering existing technology works to serve London etc quite well that's not a bad thing.
    Both broadband and mobile phone reception are fairly crappy in some bits of London.
    Remind me - why does anybody still live in London?
    I do wonder (and think bit concerning) that a WFH future + COVID, might well lead to a large scale relocation of people out of London, hollowing out the city.
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    NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,351
    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    So where does the 8000 number people are citing come from?
    Pillar 1 tests are for symptomatic people, the random sampling is everyone so it will get asymptomatic cases too.
    Are positive antibody tests counted? We are all getting tested at my Trust in the next week or two.

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Plenty of work in my Trust. Our problems are more those of capacity, and Social Distancing as I outlined in my header last Sunday.

    All planned admissions are being swabbed 14 days in advance and told to self isolate until afmission. There seem to be enough takers.
    What percentage occupancy does your trust have ?
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,094

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    And yet the waiting list for my bowel surgery is now 6 months...
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Nope.
    Cheap access to space is useful in all kinds of ways.
    If Starlink works (and it's a big *if*), then for the cost of about $10bn 90% of the world's population will be able to fast (and relatively low latency) internet access.

    That is utterly transformational. Think about that for a second: for less than half what AT&T spends on capital expenditure every year, you can bring broadband internet to the world.
    Starlink if it works will be utterly transformational.

    Proposals to invest in Fibre etc seem utterly moot if Starlink works.
    Starlink will not be great for really dense places, like big cities. Partly, that's because your Starlink antenna will need a clear view of as much of the sky as possible. And partly that's because each satellite will only have so much bandwidth to share. If one satellite has (say) ten gigabits of bandwidth and right now it's over the Highlands of Scotland, that will be more than enough. But if it's over London or New York, it won't be sufficient.
    Considering existing technology works to serve London etc quite well that's not a bad thing.
    Both broadband and mobile phone reception are fairly crappy in some bits of London.
    Remind me - why does anybody still live in London?
    I do wonder (and think bit concerning) that a WFH future + COVID, might well lead to a large scale relocation of people out of London, hollowing out the city.
    Not sure what's concerning about that, should be something to be encouraged.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Nope.
    Cheap access to space is useful in all kinds of ways.
    If Starlink works (and it's a big *if*), then for the cost of about $10bn 90% of the world's population will be able to fast (and relatively low latency) internet access.

    That is utterly transformational. Think about that for a second: for less than half what AT&T spends on capital expenditure every year, you can bring broadband internet to the world.
    Starlink if it works will be utterly transformational.

    Proposals to invest in Fibre etc seem utterly moot if Starlink works.
    Starlink will not be great for really dense places, like big cities. Partly, that's because your Starlink antenna will need a clear view of as much of the sky as possible. And partly that's because each satellite will only have so much bandwidth to share. If one satellite has (say) ten gigabits of bandwidth and right now it's over the Highlands of Scotland, that will be more than enough. But if it's over London or New York, it won't be sufficient.
    Considering existing technology works to serve London etc quite well that's not a bad thing.
    Both broadband and mobile phone reception are fairly crappy in some bits of London.
    Remind me - why does anybody still live in London?
    Much handier to get to the office.

    Oh, wait a minute...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292

    This is pretty disgusting.

    There were hordes of teenagers (not from the area) at my mum and dad's this weekend playing in the river nearby - driven in. They turned the banks to mud.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52867696

    We need rain. Buckets of cold, cold rain.
    They could do with a week of it across the US.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,139
    Hard to square with the multiple assurances we had on here that people escaping their one-bed flat in the April warm spell would trigger a second/third/fourth spike.

    The dog that did not bark.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Well you'll be pleased to know that's there's a massive amount of science being done on the ISS, including monitoring of this here big blue planet.

    With this mission, the cost of that science just reduced dramatically, thanks to the unprecedented use of a privately-developed rocket from SpaceX by NASA.

    It's also a great diplomatic tool, the one project in which the USA and Russia co-operate fully and share all their data. Much better that they put their resources into exploring the universe together, than in pointing thousands of nukes at each other.
    Science on the space station. Can we grow cress in zero gravity?

    Pointless.
    Unhuh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_research_on_the_International_Space_Station

    And a complete misunderstanding of the value of research science.
    From that article:

    "Research on the ISS improves knowledge about the effects of long-term space exposure on the human body." Pointless. We live on earth, not in space.

    "Researchers are investigating the effect of the station's near-weightless environment on the evolution, development, growth and internal processes of plants and animals." Like I said, growing cress. Pointless.
    Utterly misunderstanding the value of research science.
    Take a look at the actual list of experiments, and its breadth, and explain why that might not, at some time in the future, be of value.

    You are basically arguing that all large scale fundamental science experiments are worthless. That is just silly.
    This so-called cutting-edge science is used as a fig leaf to justify the load of nonsense that is the space station.

    I have nothing against fundamental research. But pissing goodness knows how much on a vanity project isn't best use of the research budget.

    And as for the notion we have some sort of divine right to the resources on other planets and asteroids, if I was ever going to do a philosophy PhD, this would be the topic.
    Has someone else claimed it or something?
    Watching "The Expanse" at the moment. So-so Space drama. But there are a couple of nice concepts, including the Belters' (those who live in the Asteroid Belt and beyond) disdain for the Earther's presumption that they own everything they look upon.
    I like the Expanse - watched all 4 seasons so far.
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    TimTTimT Posts: 6,328
    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    I'll put you down as a maybe.

    Yes, Philip was way to kind to Trump.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    TBF in the Floyd case 3 have been sacked and one charged with third degree murder
    Not enough. The 3 should have been charged with felony murder too.
    On what basis?
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    And the GOP response?

    https://twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1267065733290344448
    Trump destroyed what Obama had done and pissed on it. This is the result of 4 years of Trump.
    Yep. He's washed his hands of it all. A pandemic requires leadership and firm decisions.
    Trump just leaves it to the States and tweets. Fanning resentments.
    40 million unemployed and without health care? Not his job to think of owt.
    Short of PPE or test kits? Not his job.
    Rioting? No strategy or ideas.
    He just wants to watch cable TV, rocket launches and play golf.
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    JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,016

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Seriously? Redundancies? Hmmm.
    Absolutely, the major problem is they thought there was a pent up demand but it is not happening. Quite regularly there are more staff on a ward then patients. The staff have nothing to do. They are being forced to take annual leave. They can see no change coming and with Covid dying out it’s a situation that cant continue.
    Maybe they need to advertise their services. I would like to arrange a cardiology appointment to have my VSD looked at, as no specialist has seen it in 40 years. No idea whether I can or not.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713

    This is pretty disgusting.

    There were hordes of teenagers (not from the area) at my mum and dad's this weekend playing in the river nearby - driven in. They turned the banks to mud.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52867696

    Yep. These are the dickheads I was referring to earlier. Actually, calling them dickheads is being overly nice towards them.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    Bottom line is that he believes in the knee on the neck.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    It may feel more inclined to do so if it is allowed to dream from time to time. By its nature (near)space exploits may help foster a sense of intra-humanity.

    It's harmless at worst.
    Money could be better spent on Covid research.
    Given that it's only been around for a few months, probably not.
    Given the pandemic is unresolved, probably yes.
    But we're talking about the ISS, the funding for that came long ago.
    Oh. I was referring to SpaceseX!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823

    Foxy said:

    MaxPB said:

    Charles said:

    So where does the 8000 number people are citing come from?
    Pillar 1 tests are for symptomatic people, the random sampling is everyone so it will get asymptomatic cases too.
    Are positive antibody tests counted? We are all getting tested at my Trust in the next week or two.

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Plenty of work in my Trust. Our problems are more those of capacity, and Social Distancing as I outlined in my header last Sunday.

    All planned admissions are being swabbed 14 days in advance and told to self isolate until afmission. There seem to be enough takers.
    What percentage occupancy does your trust have ?
    Not sure, there are plenty of spare beds, the problems are of capacity in theatres and ICU for planned admissions.

    Every case takes twice as long at the moment because of PPE etc. There are a lot of AGP procedures.

    Now that all inpatients are being swabbed, we are finding cases in the non covid wards, and within days others identified nearby. Hospital acquired transmission is proving quite a problem, so not safe to scale back PPE provisions as yet.

    We have the same number of covid-19 inpatients as we did a month ago. Not much lightening here.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Boris going to have a big job on his hands..

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1267204817363046400?s=20
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2020
    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/billybragg/status/1267187726509539333

    ANTIFA in the US is just a cover for hard left violent anarchist groups. People trying to equate them to historic individuals who genuinely stood up to fascists are morons.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    And yet the waiting list for my bowel surgery is now 6 months...
    My son needs an urgent op - ETA is 2 weeks
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    That's what we're wondering about for the Police that murder black men too.
    TBF in the Floyd case 3 have been sacked and one charged with third degree murder
    Not enough. The 3 should have been charged with felony murder too.
    On what basis?
    They were accomplices to murder. They could and should have stopped their colleague from kneeling on the neck of a man for eight minutes until he died.

    They could and should have heard someone gasping for life saying "I can't breath" until he was suffocated to death.

    They are responsible for the death of a man and should be held accountable.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    I'll put you down as a maybe.

    Yes, Philip was way to kind to Trump.
    I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful.

    The are no words that describe how catastrophic Trump is.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446

    Scott_xP said:

    twitter.com/billybragg/status/1267187726509539333

    ANTIFA in the US is just a cover for hard left violent anarchist groups. People trying to equate them to historic individuals who genuinely stood up to fascists are morons.
    Is Officer Chauvin a hard right violent fascist?
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    Bottom line is that he believes in the knee on the neck.
    When Colin Kaepernick took the knee in protest he was sacked and vilified by Trump, amongst others.

    That is how peaceful protest is treated in the USA.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,797
    Scott_xP said:
    Karsh was a genius,
    That’s one of the great portraits,
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    I'll put you down as a maybe.

    Yes, Philip was way to kind to Trump.
    I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful.

    The are no words that describe how catastrophic Trump is.
    "I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful."

    Er, voted for him?
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    edited May 2020
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    Bottom line is that he believes in the knee on the neck.
    When Colin Kaepernick took the knee in protest he was sacked and vilified by Trump, amongst others.

    That is how peaceful protest is treated in the USA.
    He wasn't sacked, his contract expired at the end of the season. The reality is he wasn't good enough to continue as a starter *. His final season he was 1–10 (W/L).

    Others who took the knee (and still do so) and are still in the league.

    * He was probably good enough to be a backup. Now I am sure some owners didn't want him because they worried about the coverage (which totally isn't fair), but he has also been a total arse when the league has offered him a chance to try out.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426

    Boris going to have a big job on his hands..

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1267204817363046400?s=20

    With No Deal ready in the wings to batter them further.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,430
    An interesting read. Friston is basically lining up with Oxford in arguing that one way or another there is now a significant level of immunity or resistance about. It remains my own view that this is the simplest explanation for what we are seeing in the high level data.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/covid-19-expert-karl-friston-germany-may-have-more-immunological-dark-matter
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823

    Boris going to have a big job on his hands..

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1267204817363046400?s=20

    With No Deal ready in the wings to batter them further.
    Blue passports won't be getting much use this year...
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    BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Scott_xP said:
    Tory lead back to 10% with YouGov?

    Looks like the bounceback has begun! :smiley:
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    I'll put you down as a maybe.

    Yes, Philip was way to kind to Trump.
    I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful.

    The are no words that describe how catastrophic Trump is.
    "I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful."

    Er, voted for him?
    Yeah I was being somewhat rhetorical in that question.

    I worry these riots are going to play into Trumps hands a second time and the last thing the USA or the world needs is 4 more years of Trump.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,166

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Nope.
    Cheap access to space is useful in all kinds of ways.
    If Starlink works (and it's a big *if*), then for the cost of about $10bn 90% of the world's population will be able to fast (and relatively low latency) internet access.

    That is utterly transformational. Think about that for a second: for less than half what AT&T spends on capital expenditure every year, you can bring broadband internet to the world.
    Starlink if it works will be utterly transformational.

    Proposals to invest in Fibre etc seem utterly moot if Starlink works.
    Starlink will not be great for really dense places, like big cities. Partly, that's because your Starlink antenna will need a clear view of as much of the sky as possible. And partly that's because each satellite will only have so much bandwidth to share. If one satellite has (say) ten gigabits of bandwidth and right now it's over the Highlands of Scotland, that will be more than enough. But if it's over London or New York, it won't be sufficient.
    Considering existing technology works to serve London etc quite well that's not a bad thing.
    Both broadband and mobile phone reception are fairly crappy in some bits of London.
    Remind me - why does anybody still live in London?
    Why would anyone want to live anywhere else?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Boris going to have a big job on his hands..

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1267204817363046400?s=20

    With No Deal ready in the wings to batter them further.
    No Deal isn't going to batter anyone let alone the towns that voted for the UK to take back control.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,139
    edited May 2020

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Seriously? Redundancies? Hmmm.
    Absolutely, the major problem is they thought there was a pent up demand but it is not happening. Quite regularly there are more staff on a ward then patients. The staff have nothing to do. They are being forced to take annual leave. They can see no change coming and with Covid dying out it’s a situation that cant continue.
    My three NHS mates (one ward doc) broadly concur. Reckon it’s way too quiet, little to do, and the government has stoked up fear of hospitals so much that almost the only people in them are hospital staff and Covid sufferers. People aren’t reporting to hospital with other things, because they are scared. Their general view is that the lockdown needs to end for all but the highest risk groups, because the current situation is scaring people away from attending A&E despite their having good cause to do so.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823

    Scott_xP said:
    Tory lead back to 10% with YouGov?

    Looks like the bounceback has begun! :smiley:
    Those internals are grim though
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    Why the swing back to the Tories?
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582

    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully a few newspaper picture editors can be persuaded to drop the usual partisanship and put this image on tomorrow’s front pages. A great day for humanity.

    https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1267147006092419073

    Pointless vanity project. Humankind needs to focus on undoing the shit it has caused on the planet.
    Well you'll be pleased to know that's there's a massive amount of science being done on the ISS, including monitoring of this here big blue planet.

    With this mission, the cost of that science just reduced dramatically, thanks to the unprecedented use of a privately-developed rocket from SpaceX by NASA.

    It's also a great diplomatic tool, the one project in which the USA and Russia co-operate fully and share all their data. Much better that they put their resources into exploring the universe together, than in pointing thousands of nukes at each other.
    Science on the space station. Can we grow cress in zero gravity?

    Pointless.
    Unhuh.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_research_on_the_International_Space_Station

    And a complete misunderstanding of the value of research science.
    From that article:

    "Research on the ISS improves knowledge about the effects of long-term space exposure on the human body." Pointless. We live on earth, not in space.

    "Researchers are investigating the effect of the station's near-weightless environment on the evolution, development, growth and internal processes of plants and animals." Like I said, growing cress. Pointless.
    Utterly misunderstanding the value of research science.
    Take a look at the actual list of experiments, and its breadth, and explain why that might not, at some time in the future, be of value.

    You are basically arguing that all large scale fundamental science experiments are worthless. That is just silly.
    This so-called cutting-edge science is used as a fig leaf to justify the load of nonsense that is the space station.

    I have nothing against fundamental research. But pissing goodness knows how much on a vanity project isn't best use of the research budget.

    And as for the notion we have some sort of divine right to the resources on other planets and asteroids, if I was ever going to do a philosophy PhD, this would be the topic.
    Has someone else claimed it or something?
    Watching "The Expanse" at the moment. So-so Space drama. But there are a couple of nice concepts, including the Belters' (those who live in the Asteroid Belt and beyond) disdain for the Earther's presumption that they own everything they look upon.
    I like the Expanse - watched all 4 seasons so far.
    Many people miss the fact that the Belters have exactly the same attitudes. It is part of the genius of the story.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Why the swing back to the Tories?

    Why not?

    We're 4 years to an election. Don't hyperventillate over every poll . . . you'll turn into @HYUFD !
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,068
    I was looking at the Arizona CV-19 figures. Now, AZ is seven million people and didn't really have a massive CV-19 problem originally.

    Restrictions began to be seriously lifted last weekend, and the numbers look pretty ugly:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=arizona+cv-19+cases&rlz=1CACCBQ_enUS897US897&oq=arizona+cv-19+cases&aqs=chrome..69i57.3460j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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    The headline intention I don't get myself but the underlying numbers are utterly grim for the Tories long term.

    Starmer will surely lead on best PM soon.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,013
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    Bottom line is that he believes in the knee on the neck.
    When Colin Kaepernick took the knee in protest he was sacked and vilified by Trump, amongst others.

    That is how peaceful protest is treated in the USA.
    What's more Trump literally called for violent disorder against elected authorities just a matter of weeks ago.
    This American Carnage starts here!
    Can't see how a nation in flames helps the Head of State tbh.
    Particularly when he doesn't seem able or even willing to do owt about it other than make it worse with tweeting.
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    BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884

    Charles said:

    So where does the 8000 number people are citing come from?
    Presumably derived from a guess as to what percentage of total infections in the community are actually identified through testing?
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/887268/2020-05-25_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides_with_Annex__2_.pdf

    60k estimated per week.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446

    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    I'll put you down as a maybe.

    Yes, Philip was way to kind to Trump.
    I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful.

    The are no words that describe how catastrophic Trump is.
    "I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful."

    Er, voted for him?
    Nope, Americans voted for Hillary!

    It was the crappy, antiquated Electoral College system that gifted Trump the White House!

    Sad!
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823
    eadric said:

    Scott_xP said:
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Pause

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

    Pause

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    burp
    did you read the tables, and best PM polling?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    eadric said:

    Scott_xP said:
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Pause

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

    Pause

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    burp
    I have this theory, which is probably bollocks, that you are a parody.

    An exceedingly brilliant parody, mind!
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,139

    This is pretty disgusting.

    There were hordes of teenagers (not from the area) at my mum and dad's this weekend playing in the river nearby - driven in. They turned the banks to mud.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52867696

    Yep. These are the dickheads I was referring to earlier. Actually, calling them dickheads is being overly nice towards them.
    Yes that’s filthy. Horrible behaviour.

    But you have been overly fond of using that epithet for people who are bending lockdown rules, so you can understand why people think you are crying wolf.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited May 2020

    The headline intention I don't get myself but the underlying numbers are utterly grim for the Tories long term.

    Starmer will surely lead on best PM soon.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation the Tories win on:

    More In Touch than Labour
    More Trustworthy than Labour.
    More Trying to do the right thing than Labour
    More Strong than Labour
    More Competent than Labour.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation Labour win on:
    More Cares about ordinary people than the Tories.
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    BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    and on 28th May, the number reported was 54,000 (95 % CI, 34,000 to 86,000).
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Scott_xP said:
    Wait, I thought Churchill was a racist imperialist? Has the old boy been rehabilitated? :D
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    Foxy said:

    Boris going to have a big job on his hands..

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1267204817363046400?s=20

    With No Deal ready in the wings to batter them further.
    Blue passports won't be getting much use this year...
    Not unless the new positive on antibody test certificate is blue.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,292
    Tories better hope their isn't a second wave in the next few weeks. I think that would be the final nail and their polling numbers would be done for, long term.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    Bottom line is that he believes in the knee on the neck.
    When Colin Kaepernick took the knee in protest he was sacked and vilified by Trump, amongst others.

    That is how peaceful protest is treated in the USA.
    What's more Trump literally called for violent disorder against elected authorities just a matter of weeks ago.
    This American Carnage starts here!
    Can't see how a nation in flames helps the Head of State tbh.
    Particularly when he doesn't seem able or even willing to do owt about it other than make it worse with tweeting.
    Trump doesn't care who the minorities vote for, they're a minority. He wins by scaring whites into voting for him.

    I worry the riots are going to play into his hands. They shouldn't, but he's an arsonist gleefully playing with fire.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,426
    IanB2 said:

    An interesting read. Friston is basically lining up with Oxford in arguing that one way or another there is now a significant level of immunity or resistance about. It remains my own view that this is the simplest explanation for what we are seeing in the high level data.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/covid-19-expert-karl-friston-germany-may-have-more-immunological-dark-matter

    I'm inclined that way, and certainly hoping so.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,582

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Seriously? Redundancies? Hmmm.
    Absolutely, the major problem is they thought there was a pent up demand but it is not happening. Quite regularly there are more staff on a ward then patients. The staff have nothing to do. They are being forced to take annual leave. They can see no change coming and with Covid dying out it’s a situation that cant continue.
    My three NHS mates (one ward doc) broadly concur. Reckon it’s way too quiet, little to do, and the government has stoked up fear of hospitals so much that almost the only people in them are hospital staff and Covid sufferers. People aren’t reporting to hospital with other things, because they are scared. Their general view is that the lockdown needs to end for all but the highest risk groups, because the current situation is scaring people away from attending A&E despite their having good cause to do so.
    Personal anecdote != data alert

    My GP (who has been very active during this emergency) reckons that the excess deaths are not so much hidden COVID, as old(er) people not going to the hospital for fear of COVID.

    Given she has been signing death certificates...
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,446
    RobD said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Wait, I thought Churchill was a racist imperialist? Has the old boy been rehabilitated? :D
    Stalin was clearly ANTIFA, but he was also a bit dodgy!
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    BannedinnParisBannedinnParis Posts: 1,884
    God, they're going to need to TRY EVEN HARDER
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823

    The headline intention I don't get myself but the underlying numbers are utterly grim for the Tories long term.

    Starmer will surely lead on best PM soon.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation the Tories win on:

    More In Touch than Labour
    More Trustworthy than Labour.
    More Trying to do the right thing than Labour
    More Strong than Labour
    More Competent than Labour.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation Labour win on:
    More Cares about ordinary people than the Tories.
    Not by much though, and quite some momentum. Downwards momentum for the Tories on most descriptors.


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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Foxy said:

    The headline intention I don't get myself but the underlying numbers are utterly grim for the Tories long term.

    Starmer will surely lead on best PM soon.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation the Tories win on:

    More In Touch than Labour
    More Trustworthy than Labour.
    More Trying to do the right thing than Labour
    More Strong than Labour
    More Competent than Labour.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation Labour win on:
    More Cares about ordinary people than the Tories.
    Not by much though, and quite some momentum. Downwards momentum for the Tories on most descriptors.


    Unsurprising after a bad news week. This too shall pass, the news agenda has already moved on now.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Foxy said:

    The headline intention I don't get myself but the underlying numbers are utterly grim for the Tories long term.

    Starmer will surely lead on best PM soon.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation the Tories win on:

    More In Touch than Labour
    More Trustworthy than Labour.
    More Trying to do the right thing than Labour
    More Strong than Labour
    More Competent than Labour.

    Looking at the positive aspects in isolation Labour win on:
    More Cares about ordinary people than the Tories.
    Not by much though, and quite some momentum. Downwards momentum for the Tories on most descriptors.


    Still, quite incredible that the Tories are still more in touch and more trustworthy.
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    AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 20,139

    TimT said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:
    That's a very good article.

    Trump is despicable and I really worry this is playing right into his hands.
    It has moved the narrative on from his coronavirus failing and he gets to play the tough man.
    He's not a tough man. He's an arsonist. An evil, white supremacist bigotted narcissist that has spread the flames of hate. He's scum incarnate.
    I'll put you down as a maybe.

    Yes, Philip was way to kind to Trump.
    I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful.

    The are no words that describe how catastrophic Trump is.
    "I can't understand what America has done to deserve a President so awful."

    Er, voted for him?
    In all fairness, a majority of Americans voted against him. Pretty sickening really that three million more voted for his opponent yet they get the blame for his presidency anyway. The Electoral College is an utterly stupid system.
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,996

    Why the swing back to the Tories?

    The Tories were over 50% with most pollsters a few weeks ago so they've still taken a bit of a hit compared to that.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,823

    The lack of demand for the NHS is getting crazy at Winchester hospital, this week they are having meetings to discuss redundancies in all areas. They have 3 times the staff they need, they are not getting referrals from GPs and the whole Covid testing procedure is putting people off from having surgery. They were expecting some return to normality but it is not happening. They have just a few Covid patients and have not admitted any new ones for a while.

    Seriously? Redundancies? Hmmm.
    Absolutely, the major problem is they thought there was a pent up demand but it is not happening. Quite regularly there are more staff on a ward then patients. The staff have nothing to do. They are being forced to take annual leave. They can see no change coming and with Covid dying out it’s a situation that cant continue.
    My three NHS mates (one ward doc) broadly concur. Reckon it’s way too quiet, little to do, and the government has stoked up fear of hospitals so much that almost the only people in them are hospital staff and Covid sufferers. People aren’t reporting to hospital with other things, because they are scared. Their general view is that the lockdown needs to end for all but the highest risk groups, because the current situation is scaring people away from attending A&E despite their having good cause to do so.
    Personal anecdote != data alert

    My GP (who has been very active during this emergency) reckons that the excess deaths are not so much hidden COVID, as old(er) people not going to the hospital for fear of COVID.

    Given she has been signing death certificates...
    Why then are the excess deaths strongly correlated with the covid deaths geographically? They are not occurring evenly, though the lockdown is applied evenly.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,713

    This is pretty disgusting.

    There were hordes of teenagers (not from the area) at my mum and dad's this weekend playing in the river nearby - driven in. They turned the banks to mud.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52867696

    Yep. These are the dickheads I was referring to earlier. Actually, calling them dickheads is being overly nice towards them.
    Yes that’s filthy. Horrible behaviour.

    But you have been overly fond of using that epithet for people who are bending lockdown rules, so you can understand why people think you are crying wolf.
    I've felt obliged to play to the gallery.

    The problem I tend to have is that people take me seriously when I'm trolling and think I'm trolling when I'm being serious.

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