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Inevitably when a development is so party political you would expect polling responses to follow a partisan divide. The above table from tonight’s YouGov suggests that is still the case with Cummings and the lockdown but not quite at the scale you would expect.

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  • TheScreamingEagles
    TheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,808
    First.
  • EPG
    EPG Posts: 6,739
    The media needs to get a grip and focus on the important stories.
  • nichomar
    nichomar Posts: 7,483
    Maybe the government should get a grip and concentrate on the important issues, third
  • dodrade
    dodrade Posts: 597
    Meg Hillier extremely rude to the PM today, it's to his credit he never reacts to such hostility.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Hopefully tonight’s headline isn’t going to be politics or disease, but rather one of humanity’s great achievements:

    T minus 48 minutes and counting,,.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb9FdVdX5I
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,298
    Penny Mordaunt and The Saj are preparing for a the post-BoZo World, which might not be all that far away.
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,867
    EPG said:

    The media needs to get a grip and focus on the important stories.

    Like the trace system that has been rushed out when not ready. Or maybe the bringing forward of shops opening. Or perhaps the news that we can meet in gardens. Or possibly the pubs opening two weeks early?


    Those stories?
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314
    Sandpit said:

    Hopefully tonight’s headline isn’t going to be politics or disease, but rather one of humanity’s great achievements:

    T minus 48 minutes and counting,,.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb9FdVdX5I

    Due to pass across the UK in the southern sky, west to east, at 9.50pm, should easily be visible with the naked eye.
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    They are going to go/nogo due to weather at t-45.00
  • Anabobazina
    Anabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Ye gods, more on the over-promoted twerp.

    When will we be free of this hell?
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    The test and trace system looks like a complete disaster.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.
  • Big_G_NorthWales
    Big_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,238
    Guido after the mirror

    IPSO Receives Multiple Complaints https://order-order.com/2020/05/27/ipso-receives-multiple-complaints/ via @guidofawkes
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411

    Ye gods, more on the over-promoted twerp.

    When will we be free of this hell?

    I agree. Let's focus on pub reopening! 👍
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813

    Ye gods, more on the over-promoted twerp.

    When will we be free of this hell?

    According to my analysis, more quickly for London than elsewhere :) !
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    THey've pulled back the access arm so it's Go for propellant load! So it looks like a weather go. getting excited. I am so sad.
  • contrarian
    contrarian Posts: 5,818
    Scott_xP said:

    Penny Mordaunt and The Saj are preparing for a the post-BoZo World, which might not be all that far away.

    steady boys and girls

    Let him own the economic tsunami ahead.

    February next year?
  • rcs1000
    rcs1000 Posts: 60,717
    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
  • Stuartinromford
    Stuartinromford Posts: 19,148
    Scott_xP said:

    Penny Mordaunt and The Saj are preparing for a the post-BoZo World, which might not be all that far away.

    Can't remember when ministers started being openly disloyal in the Major years. Was it before the 1997 campaign started?
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    what's in a name? The COO of Spacex is Gwynne Shotwell
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
  • Anabobazina
    Anabobazina Posts: 23,795
    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    😂
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314
    rcs1000 said:

    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
    In Devon mostly up
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    edited May 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
    Looks like Woolacombe bay is the place to be to watch the launch according to that map.

    Edit: It's going to be scrubbed due to weather sure as Boris can't run the country without Dom.
  • brokenwheel
    brokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    If only Dom had travelled into space and not popped down the road to Durham no one would have made a fuss.
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    Just thinking....

    How many people will have to come up with a reason of Dom-like far-fetchedness to explain to their partner why they've been instructed to self-isolate?
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    edited May 2020
    Tim_B said:

    what's in a name? The COO of Spacex is Gwynne Shotwell

    There was a US politics commentator on the TV earlier called Krystal Ball. Does she know the election result already, or failing that how about next week’s lottery numbers?

    Propellant loading now, looks like a go. T-30’
  • JonathanD
    JonathanD Posts: 2,400

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858
    Scott_xP said:
    If thats the case then big supermarkets will have to close. By the law of averages shop workers will come near some infected people every day.
  • contrarian
    contrarian Posts: 5,818
    Those space suits look absolutely pants. They look like costumes, and pretty bad ones at that.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813

    Scott_xP said:
    If thats the case then big supermarkets will have to close. By the law of averages shop workers will come near some infected people every day.
    That's more a reflection of how endemic the virus is than any particular problem with track and test.
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327
    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Next available launch window is in 71 hours (Saturday evening) if they miss this opportunity due to the weather.
  • IshmaelZ
    IshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rcs1000 said:

    Point of order. If you're in Cornwall or Devon, you need to look North, not South.
    Straight up for me.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    edited May 2020

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
    Qatar have messed it up: they went a little too Chinese on the privacy invasion.
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/qatar-virus-tracing-app-stirs-rare-privacy-backlash-1.1024415
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Legendary flight director Gene Krantz -who was at Mission Control for every manned space flight launch except this one - on Fox News now
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858
    JonathanD said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    I like the Orville and Harris comparison myself. Partly as I am sure our PM would loathe to end up being remembered for resembling Orville instead of Churchill.
  • Toms
    Toms Posts: 2,478
    This launch, when it happens, will be an achievement for sure.

    But I would place a contribution like Jenner's smallpox vaccine well higher.

    Let us wish success to those boffins currently trying to find a coronavirus vaccine.
  • Johnson knows his premiership is slowly falling apart
  • Mexicanpete
    Mexicanpete Posts: 33,115
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    I suspect your idea of world beating works on different criteria to Boris Johnson's shortcomings You might be considering performance, Boris might be considering the most attractive colour scheme for the equipment.
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
    Qatar have messed it up: they went a little too Chinese on the privacy invasion.
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/qatar-virus-tracing-app-stirs-rare-privacy-backlash-1.1024415
    I havent actually measured the UAE or Singaporean versions, just saying they have the right toolkit to get to world beating.

    We just dont, and I have no idea why we need to pretend that we do despite all evidence to the contrary.

    The UK govt has been terrible at IT projects for decades, people are less trusting in or willing to accept electronic surveillance and we will probably spend what we do spend on the wrong things.
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411

    Johnson knows his premiership is slowly falling apart

    Have you downloaded the track and trace yet? Is it ready?
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156
    JonathanD said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    Cumstain is Keith Harris. Bozo is Orville the Duck.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858
    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    Those kind of importance surveys you should just discard anything below the top category (at least that’s the case with “will probably but” surveys).

    This is just a straight partisan thing at this point. Lab/Lib/Remain at 55 and Tories/Leave at 30.

    (And some of the Tories/Leave are focused on second order impact not the actual event).
  • Tim_B
    Tim_B Posts: 7,669
    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Scrubola
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    To be world beating at this you need high tech infrastructure, high levels of funding and an authoritarian regime. UAE and Singapore should be the winners.

    No reason at all to expect the UK to be in the top 10.
    Qatar have messed it up: they went a little too Chinese on the privacy invasion.
    https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/qatar-virus-tracing-app-stirs-rare-privacy-backlash-1.1024415
    I havent actually measured the UAE or Singaporean versions, just saying they have the right toolkit to get to world beating.

    We just dont, and I have no idea why we need to pretend that we do despite all evidence to the contrary.

    The UK govt has been terrible at IT projects for decades, people are less trusting in or willing to accept electronic surveillance and we will probably spend what we do spend on the wrong things.
    I’m in UAE. Lots of testing going on (>30% of population so far) and isolation wards for all positive tests. No app so far.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.
  • Ave_it
    Ave_it Posts: 2,411
    Any polls later? 😈
  • MaxPB
    MaxPB Posts: 40,327

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
    Yes it should have been, but aiui PHE claimed it and so it fell under the DoH. Hancock is too weak to tell the idiots in PHE that they are clueless fucks and that the whole project should be handed over to the private sector under the cabinet office (same as the Nightingale hospitals and Ventilators) with different companies pitching solutions and then the cabinet office/Gove picking the best one.

    Instead the planks from PHE are scared of private sector encroachment in the same way they were for testing so we are where we are.
  • Scott_xP
    Scott_xP Posts: 39,298

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Welcome to the dark side!

    The Government you support so assiduously is fucking this up cos the man at the top is a useless clown.
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    That's sad for your daughter but the school had to have plans in place regardless of whether it was ultimately going to be allowed to or not.
  • ydoethur
    ydoethur Posts: 74,263

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Very sorry to hear this PhilIp. Did they say why they had given this advice?
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
    Yes it should have been, but aiui PHE claimed it and so it fell under the DoH. Hancock is too weak to tell the idiots in PHE that they are clueless fucks and that the whole project should be handed over to the private sector under the cabinet office (same as the Nightingale hospitals and Ventilators) with different companies pitching solutions and then the cabinet office/Gove picking the best one.

    Instead the planks from PHE are scared of private sector encroachment in the same way they were for testing so we are where we are.
    It is the PMs job to decide who does what on such a major issue, not PHE or even Hancocks. It is just bad management to overload your managers in a major crisis when help can be brought in from other people.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Will that only be visible from the South West like that map line? Or will it be visible from the whole country?
  • IshmaelZ
    IshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    I suspect your idea of world beating works on different criteria to Boris Johnson's shortcomings You might be considering performance, Boris might be considering the most attractive colour scheme for the equipment.
    Some wonk has calculated that Trump's similar claims (building world-beating walls with Mexico etc.) are an electoral positive.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314
    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    Seems like the weather would have been OK ten minutes later, but they couldn't miss their time slot
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    tlg86 said:

    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?

    Blanket. Lancashire County Council.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813

    Will that only be visible from the South West like that map line? Or will it be visible from the whole country?
    It'll be Saturday, scrubbed today due to weather.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    MaxPB said:

    I guess that's one way to take the heat off Dom. Completely fuck something else up the same way they did for testing, PPE and quarantine.

    Boris promised "World beating" at the last PMQs. Astonishing claim to make I thought at the time given how good we know the South Korean system is.
    It seemed like such an idiotic claim to make. We're building something from scratch when we really just need to copy some other system that already works. This is another failure for Matt Hancock. That makes quite a few now. The sad part is that Boris doesn't have the political capital to sack him any more. Not least because he'll struggle to recruit the correct replacement (Hunt) without giving up Dom.
    In fairness to Hancock, why was he given this additional responsibility when he already had most work and responsibility during the crisis?

    It should have gone to Gove, or another minister who could have made it their priority, not something to spend a bit of time on after fire fighting PPE and care homes for most of the day.
    Yes it should have been, but aiui PHE claimed it and so it fell under the DoH. Hancock is too weak to tell the idiots in PHE that they are clueless fucks and that the whole project should be handed over to the private sector under the cabinet office (same as the Nightingale hospitals and Ventilators) with different companies pitching solutions and then the cabinet office/Gove picking the best one.

    Instead the planks from PHE are scared of private sector encroachment in the same way they were for testing so we are where we are.
    I’ve been loathe to criticise agencies, given the scale of the pandemic, but PHE are the group who should have been prepared better than anyone - but clearly weren’t and totally messed up. If Hancock hadn’t announced the 100k testing target for April and said that nothing else mattered, they’d still be processing a few hundred here and there,
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    And 50 minutes earlier - so sky over UK will still be quite light.
  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314
    Pulpstar said:

    Will that only be visible from the South West like that map line? Or will it be visible from the whole country?
    It'll be Saturday, scrubbed today due to weather.
    And visible from the whole country, lower against the horizon as you move up toward Scotland
  • SandyRentool
    SandyRentool Posts: 23,156

    JonathanD said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    I like the Orville and Harris comparison myself. Partly as I am sure our PM would loathe to end up being remembered for resembling Orville instead of Churchill.
    I should read before I post!
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    Seems like the weather would have been OK ten minutes later, but they couldn't miss their time slot
    I think all ISS missions have an instantaneous window, and all polar missions I think.
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    I think there will be a shed load of parents in your daughters class who are really quite relieved they don't have to make this decision for their child.....

    My brother in laws school is trying to open up and the parents are not having it...I think that position is much closer to the centre of gravity whilst 100's are still dying of this disease everyday....


  • IanB2
    IanB2 Posts: 52,314
    edited May 2020

    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    And 50 minutes earlier - so sky over UK will still be quite light.
    Looking at the sky now, I doubt we would have seen it twenty five minutes ago
  • noneoftheabove
    noneoftheabove Posts: 24,858

    JonathanD said:

    Whoever buckles first loses this round but also unlocks rapid fire on their adversaries’ political arsenal. If Dominic Cummings stays, the reconstruction of the Conservative party and of government in the UK will become infinitely harder to obstruct. If he goes, it will represent an ideological defeat for the Cummings-Johnson project and leave Boris Johnson’s government adrift. The Prime Minister is putting his premiership on the line to save Dominic Cummings because he believes that, without him, he won’t have a premiership anyway.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Is-this-the-week-the-magic-died-for-Boris-Johnson

    Boris is the monkey, Cummings is the organ grinder.

    I can't imagine Johnson ever imagined being PM was going to result in him being Dom's sub. Humiliating.
    I like the Orville and Harris comparison myself. Partly as I am sure our PM would loathe to end up being remembered for resembling Orville instead of Churchill.
    I should read before I post!
    No please spread the message. Make it go viral!
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122
    tlg86 said:

    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?


    It sounds sensible considering we have a clusterfuck governing us....
  • CarlottaVance
    CarlottaVance Posts: 60,422

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    That's a shame for your daughter - did the school say why the Council had decided that? Have they said when they might open?
  • kyf_100
    kyf_100 Posts: 4,957

    Johnson knows his premiership is slowly falling apart

    All premierships are slowly falling apart. The Tories will be in power until 2024 at least, making it a solid 14 years. What's your point?
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    ydoethur said:

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Very sorry to hear this PhilIp. Did they say why they had given this advice?
    They believe only 3 of the 5 government tests have been met. Don't believe Test & Trace is ready, and consequentially don't believe that there won't be a second peak.

    Taken from the document:

    "Locally, we are currently able to meet the requirements of the first three tests; however, we do not meet the requirements for the final two tests. The test and trace programme is not at a state of readiness to respond to Covid-19 community setting outbreaks in a timely manner, which poses a risk to school environments.

    Furthermore, we are not confident that adjustments to the current measures of the lockdown policy will not risk a second peak of infections locally. Consequently, our advice to schools is to not re-open to more pupils on June 1st, but to continue with their current support systems that are in place. The safety and wellbeing of children, their families, and school staff outweigh the benefits of opening schools of 1st June"
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    Sorry to hear it, Phil. Commisserations to yourself and your daughter.
  • Sandpit
    Sandpit Posts: 56,045
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Sandpit said:

    Damn, looks like a scrub. :(

    looks good at 17 to go
    Weather got them in the end. Back on Saturday night for another go.
    Seems like the weather would have been OK ten minutes later, but they couldn't miss their time slot
    Usually they have a ‘launch window’ of a few minutes, when they can delay for a bit if they need to, but this one was an ‘instantaneous window’, where any delay was automatically a scrubbed attempt.

    Apart from the weather everything else looked good, so they’ll be calling this one a dress rehearsal for Saturday!
  • tyson
    tyson Posts: 6,122

    I'm absolutely gutted for my daughter. Just received an email from her school saying that next week's reopening has been cancelled on the advice of the County Council. Attached was a letter from the County Council to the school advising all schools in the County remain closed.

    She's been really struggling last couple of weeks with her mental health, missing her friends and has been counting down the days, like to Christmas, to being able to see her friends again.

    The reopening had been confirmed and everything. To make matters worse and what makes me angry is they'd come up with plans on how the school would be different and had advised us to talk to her about how the school would be different to what she is used to - which we had done.

    To say there was no schooling is one thing. To promise she can come back, talk to her and get her excited about it, then rip it away from her once more. I'm furious about this.

    That's a shame for your daughter - did the school say why the Council had decided that? Have they said when they might open?
    A hint might be the Govt is fucking incompetent....and you cannot trust anything that comes out of their lying mouths.....

    Other than that...I can't think of what else the council can base their decision on....
  • tlg86
    tlg86 Posts: 26,950
    tyson said:

    tlg86 said:

    @Philip_Thompson - That doesn’t sound good. Do you know if it’s a blanket ban on the county or specific to your daughter’s school?


    It sounds sensible considering we have a clusterfuck governing us....
    Yeah, fuck child mental health.

    Cretin.

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