Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
How disappointed will you be if there isn’t a second wave of deaths ?
I hope there isn't a second wave.
But that isn't what I was thinking, it's how the UK has handled the first wave that's dreadful, along with PPE, Cummings, the economic collapse that is yet to come.
Johnson doesn't have the ability to handle one of those, yet alone all.
And as I warned there was always a danger that some journalists with a vendetta would overstep the mark with Cummings.
Not the first time it's happened. But happening so many days into a political crisis of Cummings' own making, and which hasn't actually completely gone away yet either, means the overstepping may not deflect as much as previously.
Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
I saw Yvette Cooper at the Boris event today. Can she persuade her husband to come back for LAB? It would really help them and would be x100 improvement on Anneliese
There's a difference between living in place which may well be crappily governed, and a banana republic/monarchy. You don't need to be a fan of the present administration to think we should keep a distance between them, otherwise it really limits how we'd describe any further deterioration. See also used of 'failed/pariah state'.
Nonetheless, Scott has a point. It feels like everything is turning to sh*t and that the govt could not organise a party in a brewery...
I always knew that Boris and his Cabinet of non-entities would screw things up, but this is ridiculous.
Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
All I can say is thank goodness Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM. Or Emily Maitlis
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Is anyone surprised by the Emily Maitlis business? She may as well wear a 'vote Labour' rosette she is that biased. A significant improvement on Right or Burley though
There's a difference between living in place which may well be crappily governed, and a banana republic/monarchy. You don't need to be a fan of the present administration to think we should keep a distance between them, otherwise it really limits how we'd describe any further deterioration. See also used of 'failed/pariah state'.
Nonetheless, Scott has a point. It feels like everything is turning to sh*t and that the govt could not organise a party in a brewery...
I always knew that Boris and his Cabinet of non-entities would screw things up, but this is ridiculous.
The point that the government is crap can be made a thousand ways, with varying degrees of strength, without leaping to calling the country a banana republic which just undermines actual criticism. That only makes a point against the person making it, that they cannot help going too far in criticism, even when there's plenty to criticise!
Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
All I can say is thank goodness Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM. Or Emily Maitlis
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Is anyone surprised by the Emily Maitlis business? She may as well wear a 'vote Labour' rosette she is that biased. A significant improvement on Right or Burley though
There's a difference between living in place which may well be crappily governed, and a banana republic/monarchy. You don't need to be a fan of the present administration to think we should keep a distance between them, otherwise it really limits how we'd describe any further deterioration. See also used of 'failed/pariah state'.
Nonetheless, Scott has a point. It feels like everything is turning to sh*t and that the govt could not organise a party in a brewery...
I always knew that Boris and his Cabinet of non-entities would screw things up, but this is ridiculous.
The point that the government is crap can be made a thousand ways, with varying degrees of strength, without leaping to calling the country a banana republic which just undermines actual criticism. That only makes a point against the person making it, that they cannot help going too far in criticism, even when there's plenty to criticise!
Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
All I can say is thank goodness Jeremy Corbyn isn't PM. Or Emily Maitlis
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Is anyone surprised by the Emily Maitlis business? She may as well wear a 'vote Labour' rosette she is that biased. A significant improvement on Right or Burley though
I meant Rigby not Right!
She should take over the ranting loony slot from Piers Morgan on GMB.
Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
I saw Yvette Cooper at the Boris event today. Can she persuade her husband to come back for LAB? It would really help them and would be x100 improvement on Anneliese
Agreed. Be great to see Ed Balls back. A class act.
Within parliament, Rachel Reeves is surely a far better candidate for ShadChan than Ms Dodds.
Johnson will be glad the muppets at the BBC have taken the heat off of him for a while.
Of course, the worst is still yet to come. There is nobody I trust less to deal with the crisis than Boris Johnson.
I saw Yvette Cooper at the Boris event today. Can she persuade her husband to come back for LAB? It would really help them and would be x100 improvement on Anneliese
Agreed. Be great to see Ed Balls back. A class act.
Within parliament, Rachel Reeves is surely a far better candidate for ShadChan than Ms Dodds.
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the Euro
Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
Too sensible and you cannot bung millions to your favourite consultants.
Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.
Not.......
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill's
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the Euro
So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
Good lord! Is that the "world class plan"? May as well not bother!
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.
Not.......
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill's
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the Euro
Never say never
The one way Starmer could ensure a second Boris landslide no matter how bad it gets is to say he would join the Euro
So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
That's why track and trace only really works when you have very low numbers of infected people.
I know, let's go back to February and start track and trace then.
So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
Yes such a system only works if there is a high take up of the app, and low prevalence of disease. We have neither.
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.
Not.......
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill's
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.
Er, I was referring to his rotundity.
Il Duce was quite stocky, too, but I have seen footage of him swimming, from the early fourties, and with him it really was more muscle than blubber.
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.
Not.......
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill's
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.
So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
Yes such a system only works if there is a high take up of the app, and low prevalence of disease. We have neither.
Well we don't have the former because it doesn't work or indeed exist outside of an island in the Solent.
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.
Not.......
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill's
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.
So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
There has to be an exemption for care home workers. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to function.
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the Euro
Never say never
The one way Starmer could ensure a second Boris landslide no matter how bad it gets is to say he would join the Euro
What a fucking disaster this all is. You couldn't make it up. The Chief Modeller and the Lord High Chief Everything both smash the rules to pieces for their own egotistic ends then they are asking the rest of us to keep carrying on and do our duty.
A tracking app is being developed that will probably never see the light of day because ministers could not bear the idea of using a basic API that other countries were using.
Meanwhile, we were told a carefully staged set of steps to unlock gradually and slowly, constantly looking at R and unwinding if necessary, has become Announce That X is to Open within days on an hourly basis. Anything, anything to divert from one of the worst examples of elite hypocrisy in modern history.
Any hardcore europhile should be pushing for a crash out WTO Brexit this December. The mess this government would make of it would have us back in the EU and the euro by the end of 2021. In the middle of it all we'd probably find Cummings fleeing the country to his French chateaux for good measure.
No it wouldn't even Starmer would only take us back into the single market not the full EU and certainly not the Euro
Never say never
The one way Starmer could ensure a second Boris landslide no matter how bad it gets is to say he would join the Euro
Suppose he doesn't say
If he took us into the Euro without a referendum and with no manifesto commitment there would be a revolution
So if you have been in contact with anyone with Covid 19 you must self isolate for 14 days, you must self isolate. So what about all the carers in care homes, and the hospital doctors, nurses, pharmacists, porters, cleaners and dinner ladies on Covid wards. And what about their partners and flat-mates, and the people they travel to work with on the bus. And on it goes
There has to be an exemption for care home workers. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to function.
But there are huge numbers of care home workers, probably the highest risk group in the UK, and if we start exempting them and their friends and families we might as well not bother. This is a hopeless farce.
Can someone explain to me where we now are? We're told we have to obey test and trace or the lockdown will continue. But isn't the lockdown continuing anyway?
Can someone explain to me where we now are? We're told we have to obey test and trace or the lockdown will continue. But isn't the lockdown continuing anyway?
It certainly gives the impression of a govt in total control and led by a titan of Churchillian proportions.
Not.......
Although in recent years Boris's proportions have become more like Churchill's
More Mussolini than Churchill. Lots of populist rabble rousing bluster. Capable of beating a weak opponent like Abyssinia, but thrashed by competent opponents. Propped up by a foreign power of great ruthlessness, then caught and deposed by his own people.
Can someone explain to me where we now are? We're told we have to obey test and trace or the lockdown will continue. But isn't the lockdown continuing anyway?
Why bother with the army of tracers when all they do is ask people for a list of names and phone numbers. Why not just ask people who test positive to phone their contacts themselves?
Good lord! Is that the "world class plan"? May as well not bother!
Looks like we are copying Brazil...
It’s very obvious that not only is it not ‘world beating’ (ridiculous rhetoric anyway), but also that it’s nowhere near fully in place - as the NHS guy on Newsnight described in some detail.
It’s the right idea, but it’s very basic, and something which could have been in place a month ago.
As on testing, we’re just very slow. And that costs money and lives.
Hope I don't dream a track and trace nightmare along the lines of the average DWP interaction in which I am phoned day and night about people I have never met.
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But that isn't what I was thinking, it's how the UK has handled the first wave that's dreadful, along with PPE, Cummings, the economic collapse that is yet to come.
Johnson doesn't have the ability to handle one of those, yet alone all.
But when the next crisis comes, I think Labour will take the lead, by the end of this year - I had a flutter already.
Why must you be so simplistic and digital ?
I always knew that Boris and his Cabinet of non-entities would screw things up, but this is ridiculous.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52820592
The election took place on the 8th February.
Not.......
And we all thought political comedy had stopped when Yes Minister finally came to a halt...
No idea what could have scuppered that, nope.
Yes but no but yes but no but...
Within parliament, Rachel Reeves is surely a far better candidate for ShadChan than Ms Dodds.
That is hilarious.
Now let me think.
But he has burnt a ton of capital.
This is either important for the country or it's not. If the latter why bother with it at all?
Lockdown breaches have been punishable with a fine so why not breaches of track and trace self-isolation?
Given the way adherance to guidelines has been undermined recently by you know who, pelpole need to understand they have to take it seriously.
Looks like we are copying Brazil...
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-has-one-of-the-highest-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-in-care-homes-in-world-1.4260140
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1265651857235619840
I know, let's go back to February and start track and trace then.
Can they find more common ground in next couple of years?
https://twitter.com/tobyhelm/status/1265707034667819008
Oh wait it has NHS written on it.
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1265765143469871104?s=21
https://www.brewdog.com/uk/barnard-castle-eye-test
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/health-secretary-announces-strengthened-legal-powers-to-bolster-public-health-protections-against-coronavirus
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If this turns out to be true we may see a return to panic buying...of humble pie!
https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1265754749422514177
It’s the right idea, but it’s very basic, and something which could have been in place a month ago.
As on testing, we’re just very slow. And that costs money and lives.
Hope I don't dream a track and trace nightmare along the lines of the average DWP interaction in which I am phoned day and night about people I have never met.
Then again he was a relative sceptic compared to the Hitler youth lockdown zealots