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New in the @SavantaGroup / @SavantaComRes #covid19 daily tracker:– Boris Johnson’s approval rating is now at -1%. It was at +19% four days ago.– Overall government approval is now at -2%, dropping 16 points in a day.More: https://t.co/5AzgxudsUl

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Toast.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Second toast.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,335
    https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1265273172347281414
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,908
    UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    fpt
    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265268539868528647?s=20

    Will he have to go HYUFD?
    In my view now yes
    Unfair on him, do you think?
    No, once the adviser becomes the story he is gone
    Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).

    Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.

    Where does that leave government, and the country?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,965
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.

    I'm told they were in the brown stuff anyway.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Eunuchs and codpieces plus a reference to that Sion Simon piece.

    Might be one of my best threads.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1265273172347281414

    "borne" of loyalty? Oh, dear.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,347
    Ftp. Whilst my original comment 're NE was flippant...
    We are running at 1400 new confirmed cases yesterday. And everyone seems to have gone back to normal up here.
    Confirmed new cases on March 23 lockdown day...927.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265268539868528647?s=20

    Will he have to go HYUFD?
    In my view now yes
    Unfair on him, do you think?
    No, once the adviser becomes the story he is gone
    Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).

    Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.

    Where does that leave government, and the country?
    A Priti Patel-led ERG-ite administration negotiating Brexit?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    edited May 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1265273172347281414

    "borne" of loyalty? Oh, dear.
    Shocking misuse of an apostrophe as well.

    The Prime Ministers’ decision.

    !!!!!!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,060
    edited May 2020
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.

    No-one is buying fancy cars, and aren't going to be for a while yet. Meanwhile the F1 teams are in the process of agreeing budget caps which are going to effectively limit the number of people working in the sport.

    McLaren have been a success story over the past decade though, their automotive division making more than 5,000 supercars last year, and the product being reviewed favourably against their Italian competitors.

    Good luck to those affected, there's going to be a lot more announcements of redundancies coming down the line from many business sectors hit by the shutdown.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    https://twitter.com/RichardNabavi/status/1265276971107270662
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,951
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    I think its "cue" but "queue" works too, actually.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/RichardNabavi/status/1265276971107270662

    Because Johnson just threw away a majority at an actual election with actual seats going to the opposition?

    Oh wait.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/RichardNabavi/status/1265276971107270662

    Perhaps the three of them should make a comeback.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Scott_xP said:

    https://twitter.com/MarinaHyde/status/1265273172347281414

    "borne" of loyalty? Oh, dear.
    Shocking misuse of an apostrophe as well.

    The Prime Ministers’ decision.

    !!!!!!
    Unless there's more than one Prime Minister.....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    edited May 2020
    williamglenn said:

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265268539868528647?s=20

    Will he have to go HYUFD?
    In my view now yes
    Unfair on him, do you think?
    No, once the adviser becomes the story he is gone
    Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).

    Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.

    Where does that leave government, and the country?
    A Priti Patel-led ERG-ite administration negotiating Brexit?
    It may well be, although at least we would know where we stood (cf at least the trains ran on time...).
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,873
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/RichardNabavi/status/1265276971107270662

    I cut that bit out, as well as Dom being the most influential adviser to this country’s ruler since Cardinal Wolsey.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Would rather Cummings stayed TBF.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,181
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Eunuchs and codpieces plus a reference to that Sion Simon piece.

    Might be one of my best threads.

    "Soon there will be a TSE Thread in which he increases his pomposity!" :lol:
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DougSeal said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Would rather Cummings stayed TBF.
    Then we are agreed.

    If Boris lets Cummings go (unless something new comes out) it will be out of weakness not strength.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    "Put up or shut up!"
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,951
    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,561
    dixiedean said:

    Ftp. Whilst my original comment 're NE was flippant...
    We are running at 1400 new confirmed cases yesterday. And everyone seems to have gone back to normal up here.
    Confirmed new cases on March 23 lockdown day...927.

    Its not just the number that is important, its the proportion and number of tests. Before the lockdown the testing was very limited. Now we are testing 70,000 or more people a day, open to everyone with symptoms, and only finding 1000-2000 new cases. In addition, many of these cases may well be mild (i.e. not just those admitted to hospital, but people with symptoms in the community).
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265268539868528647?s=20

    Will he have to go HYUFD?
    In my view now yes
    Unfair on him, do you think?
    No, once the adviser becomes the story he is gone
    Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).

    Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.

    Where does that leave government, and the country?
    Frightened to death when they think of tbe possible replacements. Patel? Raab? Williamson?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,756
    Sunak for PM!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,753
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    If I was labour, I would be rather pleased that Cummings was still in place.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 805
    Pulpstar said:

    If Dom was advising about Dom he'd have been out Friday.

    Only if Dom had been demoted to some non-essential worker, like thingummyjigs, those Cabinet Ministers.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Cummings chat is deeply boring.

    Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265268539868528647?s=20

    Will he have to go HYUFD?
    In my view now yes
    Unfair on him, do you think?
    No, once the adviser becomes the story he is gone
    Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).

    Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.

    Where does that leave government, and the country?
    Frightened to death when they think of tbe possible replacements. Patel? Raab? Williamson?
    Yes, yes, and lord help us.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,646
    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.

    No-one is buying fancy cars, and aren't going to be for a while yet. Meanwhile the F1 teams are in the process of agreeing budget caps which are going to effectively limit the number of people working in the sport.

    McLaren have been a success story over the past decade though, their automotive division making more than 5,000 supercars last year, and the product being reviewed favourably against their Italian competitors.

    Good luck to those affected, there's going to be a lot more announcements of redundancies coming down the line from many business sectors hit by the shutdown.
    The thing about McLaren is: brilliant driving experience but miserable ownership experience. You only have to look at how many sub 1,000 mile used cars they have in their dealer network to see something isn't right.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Philip_Thompson said:

    DougSeal said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Would rather Cummings stayed TBF.
    Then we are agreed.

    If Boris lets Cummings go (unless something new comes out) it will be out of weakness not strength.
    He will let him go then!
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Anabobazina said:

    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Cummings chat is deeply boring.

    Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
    Someone should come up with a cumming plan.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,555
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Richard_Nabavi said:

    https://twitter.com/RichardNabavi/status/1265276971107270662

    Because Johnson just threw away a majority at an actual election with actual seats going to the opposition?

    Oh wait.
    Possibly. Of course, we'll have to wait a while for the election to find out.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    IshmaelZ said:

    Anabobazina said:

    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Cummings chat is deeply boring.

    Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
    Someone should come up with a cumming plan.
    That was Professor Ferguson.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,335
    The effort to rewrite history goes on...

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265250693444706305
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483
    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    fpt

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    Stocky said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265268539868528647?s=20

    Will he have to go HYUFD?
    In my view now yes
    Unfair on him, do you think?
    No, once the adviser becomes the story he is gone
    Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).

    Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.

    Where does that leave government, and the country?
    Frightened to death when they think of tbe possible replacements. Patel? Raab? Williamson?
    Survival stakes mean thinking beyond that list!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,838
    Anabobazina said:

    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Cummings chat is deeply boring.

    Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
    Easy one this, Google/Apple track and trace.

    There.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    He's more sensible than I gave him credit for. He's sitting on a tiny majority in Angus Robertson's old seat in Moray. Whilst he personally is (he hopes) over 4 years from a GE, there are Scottish Parliamentary elections in under 12 months.

    I see even Jackson Carlaw has managed to call for Cummings to go now, so the Scottish Tories must have been in open revolt.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,660
    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    "Dear Prime Minister. The furore over Dominic Cummings has made me realise how utterly unimportant and insignificant I am and always will be. I might as well resign now as it won't make any difference either way. Yours ever..."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,060
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.

    No-one is buying fancy cars, and aren't going to be for a while yet. Meanwhile the F1 teams are in the process of agreeing budget caps which are going to effectively limit the number of people working in the sport.

    McLaren have been a success story over the past decade though, their automotive division making more than 5,000 supercars last year, and the product being reviewed favourably against their Italian competitors.

    Good luck to those affected, there's going to be a lot more announcements of redundancies coming down the line from many business sectors hit by the shutdown.
    The thing about McLaren is: brilliant driving experience but miserable ownership experience. You only have to look at how many sub 1,000 mile used cars they have in their dealer network to see something isn't right.
    There have certainly been loads of complaints about dealership service, and of treating engines, gearboxes and hydraulic suspensions as sealed units in the earlier cars, leading to some whopping bills.

    That said, a 2 year old 720S went for £150k at auction a couple of weeks ago, which is a huge bargain for the new buyer if not the original owner.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,051
    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Let's hope you are correct.

    There is loads more bumbling ineptitude to come from Boris over the next few years. However I fear you are wrong, a lot of Tory MPs are not happy with things as they are, how long do you think they are going to sit back and watch Starmer hand him his arse on a plate every week at PMQ's?

    Interestingly a lot of the unrest is coming from the new "red wall" Tory MPs because I suspect that the "one rule for the elite, one for the plebs" line is playing particularly badly in those areas.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,033
    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    How much of an electoral weakness was he the last two times he ran an electoral strategy and the entire weight of establishment politics and media said he had no chance?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,248
    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,060
    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.

    If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,065
    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52806557
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    So your man made "Mr. Nobody" a minister? And I'm sure our resident Scots posters will have views as to why he’d appoint such a "Mr. Nobody" as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Scotland.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Pulpstar said:

    Anabobazina said:

    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Cummings chat is deeply boring.

    Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
    Easy one this, Google/Apple track and trace.

    There.
    If the government has any sense someone is already working on that behind the scenes. No reason the app can't be patched to run on a new backend is there?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,505
    One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:

    https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/1265271635738755074
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    He's more sensible than I gave him credit for. He's sitting on a tiny majority in Angus Robertson's old seat in Moray. Whilst he personally is (he hopes) over 4 years from a GE, there are Scottish Parliamentary elections in under 12 months.

    I see even Jackson Carlaw has managed to call for Cummings to go now, so the Scottish Tories must have been in open revolt.
    He called for him to consider his position. Carlaw can't even be firmer than that.

    Big Dom considered his position already and likes it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    BluestBlue said:

    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    How much of an electoral weakness was he the last two times he ran an electoral strategy and the entire weight of establishment politics and media said he had no chance?
    He was an eminence grise previously. He has now become the story and hitched to BJ.

    Them and us.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,877
    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    It also reminds Conservative MPs and ministers that Cummings is openly contemptuous of the whole political class.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Nigelb said:

    One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:

    https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/1265271635738755074

    There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    Because he was in a nobody role? He wasn't a Secretary of State.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,505
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.
    Will... if... ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,033
    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.
    If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toast
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,901
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.
    As opposed to now, where he looks like a very stable genius?
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,338
    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.
    If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toast
    Yes, the only question for me: will he resign or will he have to be sacked?

    Which will look worse for Johnson?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,756
    Mr. B, might it be Wednesday due to the timezone difference?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,753
    Sandpit said:

    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.

    If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.
    I thought USS got extra pay and rations, albeit small, but I could be wrong.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,838
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    It also reminds Conservative MPs and ministers that Cummings is openly contemptuous of the whole political class.
    It's one of his most endearing traits.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    At what rate? So far very few have and those who have are a veritable "Who's That?" list of MPs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,060
    Mexicanpete said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.
    Yes, Boris now can't sack him, it will show up his own weaknesses and willingness to bend to the mob.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.
    If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toast
    And once the flash in the pan dies down, how many will it be? Boris would be utterly stupid to show weakness at this point - whatever damage is going to be done has already been done.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,788
    Philip_Thompson said:

    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    Because he was in a nobody role? He wasn't a Secretary of State.
    Yeah, because it makes everyone look classy, and could have no ill effects in Scotland, none at all.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,757
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Anabobazina said:

    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Cummings chat is deeply boring.

    Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
    Easy one this, Google/Apple track and trace.

    There.
    If the government has any sense someone is already working on that behind the scenes. No reason the app can't be patched to run on a new backend is there?
    Privacy requirements of the Google / Apple solution - you are fundamentally changing how it works so you can't patch it.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,070
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.
    Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?

    Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.

    Them and us.

    Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.

    That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Here you go (Thread):

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1265276233694101510?s=20
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,312
    Sandpit said:

    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.

    If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.
    You’re getting mixed up with PPSs who are the unpaid bag carriers. Parliamentary Under Secretaries of State are junior Ministers and get a salary.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.
    If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toast
    And once the flash in the pan dies down, how many will it be? Boris would be utterly stupid to show weakness at this point - whatever damage is going to be done has already been done.
    With or without a second wave, further damage will be incurred from the loss of trust.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,470
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.
    You're getting more and more ridiculous. This is about the most powerful political advisor demonstrating blatant contempt for

    "Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives"

    (then getting lost in a labyrinth of laughable excuses for it just makes it more politically damaging for Johnson).

    It's not about sacking every "controversial person" because they are controversial.
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,340
    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.
    I appreciate this post may not age well (and I only half apologise for using the language of the current vogue), but I agree he's OK for now as long as the coverage curve has peaked.

    News of a ministerial resignation or doctored blogposts aren't great, but they probably only prolong the peak rather than ramp it up.

    I'm not sure I agree that it's stubbornness in the face of whining, though. But having invested this much political capital in hanging on to him, Cummings and Johnson are IMO not about to shrug their shoulders and announce they can't be arsed any more so Dom's going to spend more time with behavioural scientists.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,253
    DougSeal said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    So your man made "Mr. Nobody" a minister? And I'm sure our resident Scots posters will have views as to why he’d appoint such a "Mr. Nobody" as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Scotland.
    I am not a resident Scot but that comment about Douglas Ross, who is my Scots family's mp, and a very good one at that, is crass and ignorant nonsense.

    It has no place in my conservative party and is most regrettable
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,838
    CarlottaVance said:

    DavidL said:

    Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.

    Here you go (Thread):

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1265276233694101510?s=20
    That's very good news which will displease only hardcore remainers.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,248
    Scott_xP said:

    The effort to rewrite history goes on...

    https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265250693444706305

    A case of who reported to whom. Boris is a poor man manager if he was clueless as to Dom's whereabouts for those days before Boris became dangerously ill.

    In my days in Senior Management, you were obliged to give details of your holiday hotel phone number so you could be contacted abroad, in the years before mobile phones became widely used. The barstewards weren't afraid to call you either.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,505
    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:

    https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/1265271635738755074

    There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)
    A generous interpretation.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    TOPPING said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.
    Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?

    Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.

    Them and us.

    Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.

    That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.
    Yes, of course we should torpedo government policy-making to avoid some bad headlines. What a ridiculous set of priorities that would be.

    Does no one have the slightest particle of nerve? Just grow a spine and tough it out - no one's going to bite us.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    TOPPING said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.
    Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?

    Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.

    Them and us.

    Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.

    That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.
    Who cares about mantles? It's four years from the election and the election will be won or lost by being a good government or not and messaging next time etc

    Getting rid of a key person involved with policies will make governance worse not better and that is the issue not a different issue.

    The government needs to get on with the job. Not pander to witch hunts.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,625
    Nigelb said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:

    https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/1265271635738755074

    There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)
    A generous interpretation.
    What can I say, I'm a generous guy.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1265282325925019650?s=20
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,505
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. B, might it be Wednesday due to the timezone difference?

    No.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,060
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    nichomar said:

    BluestBlue said:

    DougSeal said:

    https://twitter.com/alanferrier/status/1265242021146636288

    People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.

    But apart from that, he's a really big fish :wink:
    Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.
    He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.

    If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.
    I thought USS got extra pay and rations, albeit small, but I could be wrong.
    Wiki recons they are mostly unpaid, as there's more of them then the number of salaries allowed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Under-Secretary_of_State

    Also this great quote:
    "Of his tenure as an under-secretary in Macmillan's 1957–1963 Conservative government from the Lords, the Duke of Devonshire noted "No one who hasn't been a Parliamentary Under Secretary of State has any conception of how unimportant a Parliamentary Under Secretary of State is".[7]"
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,347
    BluestBlue said:

    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    How much of an electoral weakness was he the last two times he ran an electoral strategy and the entire weight of establishment politics and media said he had no chance?
    But he isn't running an electoral strategy.
    He's running an administration in a public health crisis.
    The two are entirely different.
  • contrariancontrarian Posts: 5,818
    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    HYUFD said:

    BluestBlue said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?

    Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.
    Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the day
    What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.
    If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toast
    And once the flash in the pan dies down, how many will it be? Boris would be utterly stupid to show weakness at this point - whatever damage is going to be done has already been done.
    If Boris sacks Cummings now, he may as well resign himself at the same time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited May 2020
    Trouble at t'mill:

    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265282772412686339?s=20
    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265283659835363328?s=20

    Hope someone else asks his questions:

    https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1265266323061424129?s=20
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,338
    Philip_Thompson said:

    TOPPING said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    TOPPING said:

    For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.

    Them and us.

    It was ever thus.

    If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.
    Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?

    Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.

    Them and us.

    Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.

    That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.
    Who cares about mantles? It's four years from the election and the election will be won or lost by being a good government or not and messaging next time etc

    Getting rid of a key person involved with policies will make governance worse not better and that is the issue not a different issue.

    The government needs to get on with the job. Not pander to witch hunts.
    Lost cause now. I`ll be surprised if he makes it to the end of the week.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,505
    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    RobD said:

    Nigelb said:

    One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:

    https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/1265271635738755074

    There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)
    A generous interpretation.
    What can I say, I'm a generous guy.
    Very much to your credit.
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/tamcohen/status/1265282325925019650?s=20

    If those MPs all go 'properly' public (no, moaning on Twitter doesn't count), they'll be engaging their own Prime Minister in a political fight to the death in the middle of a pandemic.

    That would not be a wise decision on their part.
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