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New in the @SavantaGroup / @SavantaComRes #covid19 daily tracker:– Boris Johnson’s approval rating is now at -1%. It was at +19% four days ago.– Overall government approval is now at -2%, dropping 16 points in a day.More: https://t.co/5AzgxudsUl
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UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.0
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Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).HYUFD said:
Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.
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I'm told they were in the brown stuff anyway.FrancisUrquhart said:UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.
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Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?2
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Eunuchs and codpieces plus a reference to that Sion Simon piece.
Might be one of my best threads.0 -
"borne" of loyalty? Oh, dear.Scott_xP said:0 -
Ftp. Whilst my original comment 're NE was flippant...
We are running at 1400 new confirmed cases yesterday. And everyone seems to have gone back to normal up here.
Confirmed new cases on March 23 lockdown day...927.0 -
A Priti Patel-led ERG-ite administration negotiating Brexit?TOPPING said:fpt
Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).HYUFD said:
Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.
Where does that leave government, and the country?0 -
No-one is buying fancy cars, and aren't going to be for a while yet. Meanwhile the F1 teams are in the process of agreeing budget caps which are going to effectively limit the number of people working in the sport.FrancisUrquhart said:UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.
McLaren have been a success story over the past decade though, their automotive division making more than 5,000 supercars last year, and the product being reviewed favourably against their Italian competitors.
Good luck to those affected, there's going to be a lot more announcements of redundancies coming down the line from many business sectors hit by the shutdown.0 -
If Dom was advising about Dom he'd have been out Friday.6
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I think its "cue" but "queue" works too, actually.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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Because Johnson just threw away a majority at an actual election with actual seats going to the opposition?Richard_Nabavi said:
Oh wait.2 -
Perhaps the three of them should make a comeback.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Unless there's more than one Prime Minister.....TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It may well be, although at least we would know where we stood (cf at least the trains ran on time...).williamglenn said:
A Priti Patel-led ERG-ite administration negotiating Brexit?TOPPING said:fpt
Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).HYUFD said:
Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.
Where does that leave government, and the country?0 -
Entirely grammatically correct: the UK currently has one PM de iure and another de facto. They have acted together.TheScreamingEagles said:6 -
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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I cut that bit out, as well as Dom being the most influential adviser to this country’s ruler since Cardinal Wolsey.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Would rather Cummings stayed TBF.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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"Soon there will be a TSE Thread in which he increases his pomposity!"TheScreamingEagles said:Eunuchs and codpieces plus a reference to that Sion Simon piece.
Might be one of my best threads.
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Then we are agreed.DougSeal said:
Would rather Cummings stayed TBF.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
If Boris lets Cummings go (unless something new comes out) it will be out of weakness not strength.0 -
"Put up or shut up!"BluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.2
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Its not just the number that is important, its the proportion and number of tests. Before the lockdown the testing was very limited. Now we are testing 70,000 or more people a day, open to everyone with symptoms, and only finding 1000-2000 new cases. In addition, many of these cases may well be mild (i.e. not just those admitted to hospital, but people with symptoms in the community).dixiedean said:Ftp. Whilst my original comment 're NE was flippant...
We are running at 1400 new confirmed cases yesterday. And everyone seems to have gone back to normal up here.
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Frightened to death when they think of tbe possible replacements. Patel? Raab? Williamson?TOPPING said:fpt
Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).HYUFD said:
Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.
Where does that leave government, and the country?0 -
Sunak for PM!0
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If I was labour, I would be rather pleased that Cummings was still in place.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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Cummings chat is deeply boring.DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.0 -
Yes, yes, and lord help us.IshmaelZ said:
Frightened to death when they think of tbe possible replacements. Patel? Raab? Williamson?TOPPING said:fpt
Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).HYUFD said:
Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.
Where does that leave government, and the country?0 -
The thing about McLaren is: brilliant driving experience but miserable ownership experience. You only have to look at how many sub 1,000 mile used cars they have in their dealer network to see something isn't right.Sandpit said:
No-one is buying fancy cars, and aren't going to be for a while yet. Meanwhile the F1 teams are in the process of agreeing budget caps which are going to effectively limit the number of people working in the sport.FrancisUrquhart said:UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.
McLaren have been a success story over the past decade though, their automotive division making more than 5,000 supercars last year, and the product being reviewed favourably against their Italian competitors.
Good luck to those affected, there's going to be a lot more announcements of redundancies coming down the line from many business sectors hit by the shutdown.0 -
He will let him go then!Philip_Thompson said:
Then we are agreed.DougSeal said:
Would rather Cummings stayed TBF.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
If Boris lets Cummings go (unless something new comes out) it will be out of weakness not strength.0 -
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
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Someone should come up with a cumming plan.Anabobazina said:
Cummings chat is deeply boring.DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.1 -
Possibly. Of course, we'll have to wait a while for the election to find out.Philip_Thompson said:
Because Johnson just threw away a majority at an actual election with actual seats going to the opposition?Richard_Nabavi said:
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That was Professor Ferguson.IshmaelZ said:
Someone should come up with a cumming plan.Anabobazina said:
Cummings chat is deeply boring.DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.4 -
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Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
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Survival stakes mean thinking beyond that list!IshmaelZ said:
Frightened to death when they think of tbe possible replacements. Patel? Raab? Williamson?TOPPING said:fpt
Which means Boris must go. You have played the Cummings saga with integrity, but you can also see that that is the natural consequence of him going (and yes, when cabinet ministers - plural - are on the air defending him, it's got to be all over).HYUFD said:
Whatever plan Dom has (as noted by @Monkeys, he certainly has some kind of plan), it's clear that Boris has none. Hence what would drive government? A sub-par PM who loses his strategic direction. Bad and bad.
Where does that leave government, and the country?0 -
Easy one this, Google/Apple track and trace.Anabobazina said:
Cummings chat is deeply boring.DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
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He's more sensible than I gave him credit for. He's sitting on a tiny majority in Angus Robertson's old seat in Moray. Whilst he personally is (he hopes) over 4 years from a GE, there are Scottish Parliamentary elections in under 12 months.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
I see even Jackson Carlaw has managed to call for Cummings to go now, so the Scottish Tories must have been in open revolt.1 -
For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.2 -
"Dear Prime Minister. The furore over Dominic Cummings has made me realise how utterly unimportant and insignificant I am and always will be. I might as well resign now as it won't make any difference either way. Yours ever..."DougSeal said:2 -
There have certainly been loads of complaints about dealership service, and of treating engines, gearboxes and hydraulic suspensions as sealed units in the earlier cars, leading to some whopping bills.Dura_Ace said:
The thing about McLaren is: brilliant driving experience but miserable ownership experience. You only have to look at how many sub 1,000 mile used cars they have in their dealer network to see something isn't right.Sandpit said:
No-one is buying fancy cars, and aren't going to be for a while yet. Meanwhile the F1 teams are in the process of agreeing budget caps which are going to effectively limit the number of people working in the sport.FrancisUrquhart said:UK supercar maker and Formula 1 team McLaren plans to cut more than a quarter of its workforce after the coronavirus crisis hit sales and advertising revenue.
McLaren have been a success story over the past decade though, their automotive division making more than 5,000 supercars last year, and the product being reviewed favourably against their Italian competitors.
Good luck to those affected, there's going to be a lot more announcements of redundancies coming down the line from many business sectors hit by the shutdown.
That said, a 2 year old 720S went for £150k at auction a couple of weeks ago, which is a huge bargain for the new buyer if not the original owner.0 -
Let's hope you are correct.BluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
There is loads more bumbling ineptitude to come from Boris over the next few years. However I fear you are wrong, a lot of Tory MPs are not happy with things as they are, how long do you think they are going to sit back and watch Starmer hand him his arse on a plate every week at PMQ's?
Interestingly a lot of the unrest is coming from the new "red wall" Tory MPs because I suspect that the "one rule for the elite, one for the plebs" line is playing particularly badly in those areas.0 -
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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How much of an electoral weakness was he the last two times he ran an electoral strategy and the entire weight of establishment politics and media said he had no chance?TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.1 -
If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.2 -
Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.2 -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52806557BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
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So your man made "Mr. Nobody" a minister? And I'm sure our resident Scots posters will have views as to why he’d appoint such a "Mr. Nobody" as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Scotland.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish1 -
If the government has any sense someone is already working on that behind the scenes. No reason the app can't be patched to run on a new backend is there?Pulpstar said:
Easy one this, Google/Apple track and trace.Anabobazina said:
Cummings chat is deeply boring.DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
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One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:
https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/12652716357387550740 -
What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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He called for him to consider his position. Carlaw can't even be firmer than that.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
He's more sensible than I gave him credit for. He's sitting on a tiny majority in Angus Robertson's old seat in Moray. Whilst he personally is (he hopes) over 4 years from a GE, there are Scottish Parliamentary elections in under 12 months.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
I see even Jackson Carlaw has managed to call for Cummings to go now, so the Scottish Tories must have been in open revolt.
Big Dom considered his position already and likes it.1 -
He was an eminence grise previously. He has now become the story and hitched to BJ.BluestBlue said:
How much of an electoral weakness was he the last two times he ran an electoral strategy and the entire weight of establishment politics and media said he had no chance?TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.
Them and us.0 -
It also reminds Conservative MPs and ministers that Cummings is openly contemptuous of the whole political class.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
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There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)Nigelb said:One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:
https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/12652716357387550740 -
Because he was in a nobody role? He wasn't a Secretary of State.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
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Will... if... ?Mexicanpete said:
Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toastBluestBlue said:
What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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As opposed to now, where he looks like a very stable genius?Mexicanpete said:
Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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Yes, the only question for me: will he resign or will he have to be sacked?HYUFD said:
If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toastBluestBlue said:
What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
Which will look worse for Johnson?1 -
Mr. B, might it be Wednesday due to the timezone difference?0
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I thought USS got extra pay and rations, albeit small, but I could be wrong.Sandpit said:
He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.0 -
It's one of his most endearing traits.DecrepiterJohnL said:
It also reminds Conservative MPs and ministers that Cummings is openly contemptuous of the whole political class.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
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At what rate? So far very few have and those who have are a veritable "Who's That?" list of MPs.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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Yes, Boris now can't sack him, it will show up his own weaknesses and willingness to bend to the mob.Mexicanpete said:
Boris will look like a useless dick if Cummings does go.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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And once the flash in the pan dies down, how many will it be? Boris would be utterly stupid to show weakness at this point - whatever damage is going to be done has already been done.HYUFD said:
If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toastBluestBlue said:
What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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Yeah, because it makes everyone look classy, and could have no ill effects in Scotland, none at all.Philip_Thompson said:
Because he was in a nobody role? He wasn't a Secretary of State.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
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Privacy requirements of the Google / Apple solution - you are fundamentally changing how it works so you can't patch it.Philip_Thompson said:
If the government has any sense someone is already working on that behind the scenes. No reason the app can't be patched to run on a new backend is there?Pulpstar said:
Easy one this, Google/Apple track and trace.Anabobazina said:
Cummings chat is deeply boring.DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
Innovative ideas for getting out of this horrible lockdown would be much more interesting.
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Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?Philip_Thompson said:
If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.
Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.
Them and us.
Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.
That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.0 -
Here you go (Thread):DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1265276233694101510?s=200 -
You’re getting mixed up with PPSs who are the unpaid bag carriers. Parliamentary Under Secretaries of State are junior Ministers and get a salary.Sandpit said:
He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.1 -
With or without a second wave, further damage will be incurred from the loss of trust.BluestBlue said:
And once the flash in the pan dies down, how many will it be? Boris would be utterly stupid to show weakness at this point - whatever damage is going to be done has already been done.HYUFD said:
If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toastBluestBlue said:
What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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You're getting more and more ridiculous. This is about the most powerful political advisor demonstrating blatant contempt forPhilip_Thompson said:
If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.
"Stay home. Protect the NHS. Save lives"
(then getting lost in a labyrinth of laughable excuses for it just makes it more politically damaging for Johnson).
It's not about sacking every "controversial person" because they are controversial.0 -
I appreciate this post may not age well (and I only half apologise for using the language of the current vogue), but I agree he's OK for now as long as the coverage curve has peaked.BluestBlue said:
What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
News of a ministerial resignation or doctored blogposts aren't great, but they probably only prolong the peak rather than ramp it up.
I'm not sure I agree that it's stubbornness in the face of whining, though. But having invested this much political capital in hanging on to him, Cummings and Johnson are IMO not about to shrug their shoulders and announce they can't be arsed any more so Dom's going to spend more time with behavioural scientists.1 -
I am not a resident Scot but that comment about Douglas Ross, who is my Scots family's mp, and a very good one at that, is crass and ignorant nonsense.DougSeal said:
So your man made "Mr. Nobody" a minister? And I'm sure our resident Scots posters will have views as to why he’d appoint such a "Mr. Nobody" as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Scotland.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
It has no place in my conservative party and is most regrettable1 -
That's very good news which will displease only hardcore remainers.CarlottaVance said:
Here you go (Thread):DavidL said:Can we not talk about Brexit again? You know, just for a bit of variety.
https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1265276233694101510?s=201 -
A case of who reported to whom. Boris is a poor man manager if he was clueless as to Dom's whereabouts for those days before Boris became dangerously ill.Scott_xP said:The effort to rewrite history goes on...
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1265250693444706305
In my days in Senior Management, you were obliged to give details of your holiday hotel phone number so you could be contacted abroad, in the years before mobile phones became widely used. The barstewards weren't afraid to call you either.0 -
A generous interpretation.RobD said:
There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)Nigelb said:One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:
https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/12652716357387550740 -
Yes, of course we should torpedo government policy-making to avoid some bad headlines. What a ridiculous set of priorities that would be.TOPPING said:
Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?Philip_Thompson said:
If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.
Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.
Them and us.
Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.
That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.
Does no one have the slightest particle of nerve? Just grow a spine and tough it out - no one's going to bite us.1 -
Who cares about mantles? It's four years from the election and the election will be won or lost by being a good government or not and messaging next time etcTOPPING said:
Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?Philip_Thompson said:
If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.
Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.
Them and us.
Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.
That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.
Getting rid of a key person involved with policies will make governance worse not better and that is the issue not a different issue.
The government needs to get on with the job. Not pander to witch hunts.3 -
What can I say, I'm a generous guy.Nigelb said:
A generous interpretation.RobD said:
There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)Nigelb said:One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:
https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/12652716357387550740 -
No.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. B, might it be Wednesday due to the timezone difference?
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Wiki recons they are mostly unpaid, as there's more of them then the number of salaries allowed.rcs1000 said:
I thought USS got extra pay and rations, albeit small, but I could be wrong.Sandpit said:
He was a PUSS rather than a minister, they're the guys who do extra work for a minister but don't get a government salary for it.nichomar said:
Calling one of your own ministers a NOBODY calls into doubt why he was appointed by the PM in the first place.BluestBlue said:
People on this site obviously follow the minutiae of politics closely. I can put my hand on my heart and say that not only did I not know that he was Under Secretary of State for Scotland, but I didn't know he was a Conservative MP and couldn't distinguish him from Adam if Adam turned up holding an apple.DougSeal said:
But apart from that, he's a really big fish
If I see cabinet ministers resigning, I'll believe Cummings is actually in danger, at the moment I think the over-reaction of the Lobby mob acts in his favour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Under-Secretary_of_State
Also this great quote:
"Of his tenure as an under-secretary in Macmillan's 1957–1963 Conservative government from the Lords, the Duke of Devonshire noted "No one who hasn't been a Parliamentary Under Secretary of State has any conception of how unimportant a Parliamentary Under Secretary of State is".[7]"0 -
But he isn't running an electoral strategy.BluestBlue said:
How much of an electoral weakness was he the last two times he ran an electoral strategy and the entire weight of establishment politics and media said he had no chance?TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.
He's running an administration in a public health crisis.
The two are entirely different.0 -
If Boris sacks Cummings now, he may as well resign himself at the same time.BluestBlue said:
And once the flash in the pan dies down, how many will it be? Boris would be utterly stupid to show weakness at this point - whatever damage is going to be done has already been done.HYUFD said:
If 50% of Tory voters and 50% of Tory MPs and a majority of voters think you are toast, you are toastBluestBlue said:
What percentage are we at now, and what measures are they going to take to enforce their will? Moaning on Twitter can just as easily be interpreted as saving face as a decision to challenge Boris directly.HYUFD said:
Cummings is going, at this rate over 50% of Tory MPs will have demanded his resignation by the end of the week, maybe even the end of the dayBluestBlue said:
Indeed. Neither Cummings nor Boris is going anywhere - and the louder the whining, the more firmly they're going to stand their ground, and the more immovable they'll be once this silliness dies down.Philip_Thompson said:Queue another thousand posts of Boris is so weak - who won't he give us the scalp we want?
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Trouble at t'mill:
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265282772412686339?s=20
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1265283659835363328?s=20
Hope someone else asks his questions:
https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1265266323061424129?s=200 -
Lost cause now. I`ll be surprised if he makes it to the end of the week.Philip_Thompson said:
Who cares about mantles? It's four years from the election and the election will be won or lost by being a good government or not and messaging next time etcTOPPING said:
Yes of course you can't let the press hound you main man out of office because where does it end?Philip_Thompson said:
If every single time there was a controversial person you let them go you're just inviting further controversy, further manufactured outrage and further scalp hunting.TOPPING said:For the proverbially practical and hard-headed Cons MPs the simple fact is that Dom is an electoral weakness. Either now or in a few years time. To think he is not and that everyone will have forgotten is to misunderestimate Lab's attack lines.
Them and us.
It was ever thus.
Unless that main man has become a vote-losing liability who rather than occupy a weird blue-sky thinking space in your government, now serves only to give your opponents ammunition against you.
Them and us.
Boris could reclaim the "we can't have people lording over us all" mantle, especially as he is a survivor and managed to follow the rules. He would be golden.
That said, what would happen to government policy without its policy-maker? Gawd knows but that's a different issue.
Getting rid of a key person involved with policies will make governance worse not better and that is the issue not a different issue.
The government needs to get on with the job. Not pander to witch hunts.1 -
Very much to your credit.RobD said:
What can I say, I'm a generous guy.Nigelb said:
A generous interpretation.RobD said:
There were protests yesterday. I think the person writing the tweet has lost track of what day it is (haven't we all?)Nigelb said:One minor positive for the government - there's another one out there even worse at propaganda:
https://twitter.com/ayhcheung/status/12652716357387550740 -
If those MPs all go 'properly' public (no, moaning on Twitter doesn't count), they'll be engaging their own Prime Minister in a political fight to the death in the middle of a pandemic.CarlottaVance said:
That would not be a wise decision on their part.0
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