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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,538

    Er... Cornwall says hello!
    I thought at the moment the reaction was more bugger off, dont you go bringing that plague round these parts.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565

    And they'll be eligible to pensions etc based upon those contributions no doubt if they're old enough.

    Paying for a one off crisis is one thing, paying someone's wages at a higher rate permanently is something else. The government couldn't permanently pay the furlough scheme yet you're trying to permanently adjust benefits for those who aren't working based on a one-off temporary scheme.
    If the government had not introduced the 80% scheme, plus all the self employment support, then 100,000s of people may well have been told that thanks to the raw brute bad luck of the virus they are on £70-100 a week of unemployment benefit, UC etc.

    Cue massive social unrest.

    Yet, every week of every year thanks to brute bad luck people become disabled and have to give up work or become carers and expected to live on £70-100 a week.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,774
    Waste in covid-19 research
    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1847
    .... An extraordinary number of covid-19 trials have been registered since the pandemic started. The National Library of Medicine registry ClinicalTrials.gov lists 1087 covid-19 studies, and though some will provide useful information, many are too small and poorly designed to be helpful, merely adding to the covid-19 noise. Of the 145 registered trials of hydroxychloroquine, for example, 32 have a planned sample size of ≤100, 10 have no control group, and 12 are comparative but non-randomised. Outcome measures vary widely, and only 50 seem to be multicentre. Strikingly, only one provides a protocol, and even limited registry details reveal unjustified outcome switching.

    The imbalance in trial topics is worrying, in particular the paucity of trials on non-drug interventions. Despite non-drug interventions being the mainstay of current mitigation, we could find just two trials of masks on ClinicalTrials.gov and none examining social distancing, quarantine effect or adherence, hand hygiene, or other non-drug interventions. Covid-19 research funding mirrors this woeful imbalance. A search of Covid-19 Research Project Tracker, a live database of funded covid-19 projects, found almost no primary research of the effects of non-drug interventions on transmissibility, compared with hundreds of drug intervention projects worth at least $74m (£60m; €67m)....
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    I thought at the moment the reaction was more bugger off, dont you go bringing that plague round these parts.
    Given the number of people in Cornwall who are dependent on tourism, I am not sure that's the case generally.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/1261345035913695233

    Probably not the best time to head home to america.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,538

    Given the number of people in Cornwall who are dependent on tourism, I am not sure that's the case generally.
    In all seriousness it is really tricky situation. Cornwall doesn't have much other than tourism, but it also doesn't have the infrastructure to cope if masses of people get ill down there.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Er... Cornwall says hello!
    I thought it was Essex when you include all its islands? (has more islands than any other county too I believe!)
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Foxy said:

    She's Priti vacant.
    I think she's a hottie.

    Future PM.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    justin124 said:

    In 2017, Labour's surge in Scotland seemed to happen very late and appeared to take almost everybody by surprise. Even I only suggested the possibility of 4 or 5 seats rather than the 7 Labour ended up with.I also suspect that many pro-Union Labour voters misdirected themselves by voting Tory and effectively denied Labour a few seats which otherwise would have been won. However, if Starmer is perceived to be a serious challenger over an extended period long before the election, I would anticipate a psychological impact to Labour's benefit. Labour could reasonably aim for 20 seats there next time.
    Weren't your last set of Scotland predicitions an absolute load of old cock?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited May 2020

    If the government had not introduced the 80% scheme, plus all the self employment support, then 100,000s of people may well have been told that thanks to the raw brute bad luck of the virus they are on £70-100 a week of unemployment benefit, UC etc.

    Cue massive social unrest.

    Yet, every week of every year thanks to brute bad luck people become disabled and have to give up work or become carers and expected to live on £70-100 a week.
    Its not just about luck though and there's a difference between temporary and permanent which you are deliberately ignoring no matter how much it gets pointed out to you.

    To make a household analogy no matter how much you might love sport and movies you might have to say that you can't afford a Sky with Sports and Movies subscription for £60 per month as you can't afford it - but if the boiler goes you might have no choice but to pay a plumber £200 to repair it.

    Of course in one month the £200 is much more than £60 so why one and not the other? But you're not going to have to pay the plumber £200 every single month.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    Its not just about luck though and there's a difference between temporary and permanent which you are deliberately ignoring no matter how much it gets pointed out to you.

    To make a household analogy no matter how much you might love sport and movies you might have to say that you can't afford a Sky with Sports and Movies subscription for £60 per month as you can't afford it - but if the boiler goes you might have no choice but to pay a plumber £200 to repair it.

    Of course in one month the £300 is much more than £60 so why one and not the other? But you're not going to have to pay the plumber £200 every single month.
    What on earth are you talking about?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    I thought it was Essex when you include all its islands? (has more islands than any other county too I believe!)
    https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2017/01/english-county-longest-coastline/
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    61st state? Which were numbers 51 to 60?
    Puerto Rico and the nine English speaking provinces of the former Canada.

    It's a long story.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    edited May 2020

    It’s probably England’s most underrated county. Absolutely beautiful in parts. It also has the longest coastline of any English county!
    On the other hand, it is also massively ugly in parts. Rather large parts...
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    What on earth are you talking about?
    The furlough scheme is a one-off and temporary (the boiler failing in my analogy)

    Welfare is permanent (the monthly subscription in my analogy)

    One off options are more affordable than permanent ones.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    On the other hand, it is also massively ugly in parts. Rather large parts...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CZMLs8Ke40

    Even the ugly bits can be surprisingly filmic ...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,538
    edited May 2020
    Prof Morgan not so keen on "experts" these days...

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1261343230144032770?s=20
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    TGOHF666 said:

    I think she's a hottie.

    Future PM.

    Her constituency is in Essex. We are all talking about Essex for a reason right now.

    It's an omen, I tell you.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    Prof Morgan not so keen on experts these days...

    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1261343230144032770?s=20

    Generally speaking I think he's not keen on anyone who doesn't want to have the entire population locked in an individual concrete cell for a year.

    Well, the entire population except for Piers Morgan, who will broadcast to a screen in each cell telling us how shit we all are.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    The furlough scheme is a one-off and temporary (the boiler failing in my analogy)

    Welfare is permanent (the monthly subscription in my analogy)

    One off options are more affordable than permanent ones.
    But we are constantly told that UC provides enough to live off. Why be more generous (even for a temporary period) if UC levels of support are enough?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Alistair said:

    Weren't your last set of Scotland predicitions an absolute load of old cock?
    I made no such predictions for the 2019 election - but had suggested in 2017 that Labour might manage 4 or 5 seats. My prediction was ridiculed.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884
    edited May 2020

    Her constituency is in Essex. We are all talking about Essex for a reason right now.

    It's an omen, I tell you.
    The people on here saying Essex is very pretty were actually talking about Patel?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    edited May 2020

    Generally speaking I think he's not keen on anyone who doesn't want to have the entire population locked in an individual concrete cell for a year.

    Well, the entire population except for Piers Morgan, who will broadcast to a screen in each cell telling us how shit we all are.
    In theory, he's got his finger on the pulse of middle england and yet it seems that my local pedestrianised high street has been rammed for the last few days with non-social distancing pensioners chatting away in groups.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    On the other hand, it is also massively ugly in parts. Rather large parts...
    That’s probably true of most counties. Cumbria, for example (home of the Lake District).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565

    But we are constantly told that UC provides enough to live off. Why be more generous (even for a temporary period) if UC levels of support are enough?
    This. 1000x this. :+1:
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    But we are constantly told that UC provides enough to live off. Why be more generous (even for a temporary period) if UC levels of support are enough?
    Because people have bills to pay based upon their existing commitments. Rent/mortgage, subscriptions. If you are on a restricted income that you can foresee then you can budget accordingly, if its sudden and unforeseen you can't.

    That's why you can get more UC support up front when you join it too rather than waiting weeks (which was a bad mistake when first introduced).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    Maybe the Treasury modellers worked out that if they didn't provide 80% wages to 100,000s of people and instead made them survive on the "adequate" levels of UC and unemployment benefit then so many voters would realise that the safety net is threadbare and not actually a shirkers paradise that there would have to be long term change.

  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2017/01/english-county-longest-coastline/
    Happy to settle on second longest coastline and most islands.

    Actually, it’s the interior of Essex that I rate most of all. It really is a pretty, rural East Anglian county, with lovely white clapboard houses and pubs and some gorgeous villages. Big skies in the summer, I remember from long bike rides.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    edited May 2020

    Her constituency is in Essex. We are all talking about Essex for a reason right now.

    It's an omen, I tell you.
    Essex has now overtaken Surrey as the safest Tory county, every seat in the county held by the Tories and no seat in the top 50 Labour or LD target seats
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Piers Morgan is an extreme lockdowner, would get on well with the likes of Mortimer on here.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095

    On the other hand, it is also massively ugly in parts. Rather large parts...
    So is London
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Chris said:

    OK - a political scientist, a sociologist, an economist, and you.
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity#
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905

    In theory, he's got his finger on the pulse of middle england and yet it seems that my local pedestrianised high street has been rammed for the last few days with non-social distancing pensioners chatting away in groups.
    I can't say as I've seen similar groups when I've been in town but it's probably only a matter of time. Social distancing seems to be well observed out and about, but I suspect - from the way that road traffic has been gradually creeping up for weeks, not just since Boris Johnson's last broadcast - that quiet visits to friends and family have been getting more common for some time. And it'll probably keep on breaking down at an accelerating rate.

    The idea that people can go for years with little social interaction and no physical contact with one another is for the birds. I mean, there will be very disciplined exceptions, especially amongst introverts and the extremely frightened, but most of us can only carry on like this for so long - whether know-nothing TV presenters approve or not.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    edited May 2020
    HYUFD said:

    So is London
    Yes, it was an uncharacteristically daft comment from Richard, as all counties have plenty of ugly bits.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    I can't say as I've seen similar groups when I've been in town but it's probably only a matter of time. Social distancing seems to be well observed out and about, but I suspect - from the way that road traffic has been gradually creeping up for weeks, not just since Boris Johnson's last broadcast - that quiet visits to friends and family have been getting more common for some time. And it'll probably keep on breaking down at an accelerating rate.

    The idea that people can go for years with little social interaction and no physical contact with one another is for the birds. I mean, there will be very disciplined exceptions, especially amongst introverts and the extremely frightened, but most of us can only carry on like this for so long - whether know-nothing TV presenters approve or not.
    Spot on.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,344
    TGOHF666 said:

    I think she's a hottie.

    Future PM.

    You like 'em wide as they're long? Is it a Charlie Miller thing?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945

    Yes, it was an uncharacteristically daft comment from Richard, as all counties have plenty of ugly bits.
    Except Northumberland. Even Blyth has miles and miles of gorgeous beach.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    edited May 2020

    Maybe the Treasury modellers worked out that if they didn't provide 80% wages to 100,000s of people and instead made them survive on the "adequate" levels of UC and unemployment benefit then so many voters would realise that the safety net is threadbare and not actually a shirkers paradise that there would have to be long term change.

    Indeed.
    And the fact they felt it a matter of the utmost urgency to dramatically raise the level of UC at the drop of a hat lends credence to your view.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    Puerto Rico and the nine English speaking provinces of the former Canada.

    It's a long story.
    In the recent past statehood has been raised for Guam, possibly in a joint statehood bid with Palau, Federated States of Micronesia, the Northern Mariana Islands and the Marshall Islands and similarly for American Samoa (not implausible as a sort of counter to Chinese ambitions in the Pacific), and to the East it's been mooted for the US Virgin Islands too. Canada keeps trying to buy up the Turks and Caicos islands so it wouldn't be totally crazy for the US to nab them instead. Buying Greenland would be a bit of a stretch but also has some strategic sense to it.

    There's also the anomaly of Washington DC which has an active statehood movement, and been the odd attempt at partitioning existing states (eg splitting off bits of rural northern California of southern Oregon to form a State of Jefferson or splitting off Upper Michigan as a State of Superior"). On that basis it's not too hard to at least imagine an increase in the number of US states, but their growth rate has certainly stalled over the last century so a big increase would be surprising...

    As an aside, in 1948 Newfoundland came close - just a few % in a referendum - to union with the USA rather than Canada (which it was administered separately from at the time)
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    That’s probably true of most counties. Cumbria, for example (home of the Lake District).
    I think I'll stick to Cumbria rather than Essex for my hols when we're eventually released from house arrest.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,362
    edited May 2020
    As dire as the situation in care home is, she didn't need to exaggerate so wildly to make her point. No PPE? No support?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    rcs1000 said:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity#
    There have been some amusing quotes from scientists recently, like the one who said that unless they cure the dead the death total can only rise in answer to a silly question.

    Saw a similar one with an expert being interviewed who (and I'm paraphrasing from memory) when asked why they were confident that having been through the disease would give some sort of immunity replied that because if it wasn't you would die from the disease.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    Off topic. Am watching Black Books on C4. Am thinking the period 1998-2002 was a golden age of British sitcom.
    League of Gentlemen, Phoenix Nights, Spaced, The Office, Royle Family, Dinnerladies off the top of my head.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobD said:

    As dire as the situation in care home is, she didn't need to exaggerate so wildly to make her point. No PPE? No support?
    She's a Labour activist who's been attacking the government for years. Why let facts get in the way of a good rant?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    Meanwhile, in what remains of Corbyn's clown car support network:

    https://twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1261228129374351360
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,565
    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. Am watching Black Books on C4. Am thinking the period 1998-2002 was a golden age of British sitcom.
    League of Gentlemen, Phoenix Nights, Spaced, The Office, Royle Family, Dinnerladies off the top of my head.

    Phoenix Nights was a belter. If only there was a 3rd series.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,609
    dixiedean said:

    Except Northumberland. Even Blyth has miles and miles of gorgeous beach.
    You've obviously not been to Seaton Delaval
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,538
    edited May 2020

    twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1261353050893148160

    There is a huge difference to what the two models think R was pre-lockdown.

    Be interesting to know if Cambridge model is wrong on R, how that affects their predictions on how many people have had it.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,538
    edited May 2020

    Phoenix Nights was a belter. If only there was a 3rd series.
    Phoenix Nights was my favourite, probably because my folks used to take me to such places as a kid. The one line quips are brilliant.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,685

    I thought it was Essex when you include all its islands? (has more islands than any other county too I believe!)
    Cornwall has the longest coastline (even without including the Isles of Scilly).

    Cornwall: 1086 km.
    Essex: 905 km.
    Devon: 819 km.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    justin124 said:

    I made no such predictions for the 2019 election - but had suggested in 2017 that Labour might manage 4 or 5 seats. My prediction was ridiculed.
    My apologies it must have been someone else who said

    But the SNP have already lost a great deal of ground compared to 2015. I expect that trend to continue at Westminster elections.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. Am watching Black Books on C4. Am thinking the period 1998-2002 was a golden age of British sitcom.
    League of Gentlemen, Phoenix Nights, Spaced, The Office, Royle Family, Dinnerladies off the top of my head.

    Not just sitcoms were better then.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,035
    Quincel said:

    Market certainly agrees, 67% chance Biden wins the vote but just over 40% he's next President. I must admit, a 25% chance of a vote/EC split seems a bit high to me (albeit not massively). I wonder if the prospect of Trump winning the vote too is underrated. Even with the midwest and so on giving a GOP EC advantage there's a fairly small target zone for a split taking place. Remember Clinton won the vote by 2.1% and she was very close in enough swing states to win the EC. 2.5% was probably the limit before she'd have been near certain to win the EC, I'm not convinced Biden has a limit any higher. If anything he may be a bit better in the Midwest so the vote/EC split may stop at lower.
    If the election were in the next month I think Biden would win the PV and EC but there is a long way to go before November. The economy will hardly have recovered at all by November but Trump is still polling ahead of Biden on the economy and probably will continue to do so right through to polling day. I don't think Trump will get much of the blame for the economy tanking. Even in the middle of this crisis he really isn't too far behind in those states he needs to take.

    This year will hinge on whether the pandemic and the fear of a second wave trumps (no pun intended) the conventional wisdom that economic issues determine the outcome. If I were a Trump strategist I would be beginning to get worried about the male/female voting splits. He is losing very heavily amongst women right now and I think that is down to his poor response to Covid-19. If that is still a big issue in November I don't believe a lot of those female voters are going to switch back.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945

    You've obviously not been to Seaton Delaval
    I have. Fair point well made..
    I am happy to withdraw my previous, erroneous remark.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. Am watching Black Books on C4. Am thinking the period 1998-2002 was a golden age of British sitcom.
    League of Gentlemen, Phoenix Nights, Spaced, The Office, Royle Family, Dinnerladies off the top of my head.

    Election on BBC1 a great satire film with Tracy Flick often compared to Hillary Clinton
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. Am watching Black Books on C4. Am thinking the period 1998-2002 was a golden age of British sitcom.
    League of Gentlemen, Phoenix Nights, Spaced, The Office, Royle Family, Dinnerladies off the top of my head.

    Coupling was an underrated but great show from then too, at least the first couple of seasons.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    HYUFD said:

    Election on BBC1 a great satire film with Tracy Flick often compared to Hillary Clinton
    I'm pretty sure Tracy Flick was modelled on Ms Clinton,
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945

    Coupling was an underrated but great show from then too, at least the first couple of seasons.
    Never saw it but am aware it was highly rated. That adds to my list.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,095
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm pretty sure Tracy Flick was modelled on Ms Clinton,
    https://youtu.be/rleUPHX8yfM
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Re the Priti thing, temporarily exempting foreign NHS staff from the payments - when many are working well beyond their contracted hours and in dangerous conditions - doesn't seem like an outrageous thing to do.

    But then again, she likes to be seen to be tough on immigration. This is a way of allowing her to stake out that position in the Cabinet.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    OllyT said:

    If the election were in the next month I think Biden would win the PV and EC but there is a long way to go before November. The economy will hardly have recovered at all by November but Trump is still polling ahead of Biden on the economy and probably will continue to do so right through to polling day. I don't think Trump will get much of the blame for the economy tanking. Even in the middle of this crisis he really isn't too far behind in those states he needs to take.

    This year will hinge on whether the pandemic and the fear of a second wave trumps (no pun intended) the conventional wisdom that economic issues determine the outcome. If I were a Trump strategist I would be beginning to get worried about the male/female voting splits. He is losing very heavily amongst women right now and I think that is down to his poor response to Covid-19. If that is still a big issue in November I don't believe a lot of those female voters are going to switch back.
    I think I would like to bet on the extremes: either Biden runs away with it, grabbing a 5+ point lead in votes and winning a clear majority of the Electoral College.

    Or... Trump turns it around and wins both the PV and the EC.

    It would be entertaining (and far from impossible) for Trump to win the PV but lose the EC. However, it might also lead to civil war in the US, so maybe I shouldn't hope for that...
  • rcs1000 said:

    Re the Priti thing, temporarily exempting foreign NHS staff from the payments - when many are working well beyond their contracted hours and in dangerous conditions - doesn't seem like an outrageous thing to do.

    But then again, she likes to be seen to be tough on immigration. This is a way of allowing her to stake out that position in the Cabinet.

    "doesn't" ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    HYUFD said:

    https://youtu.be/rleUPHX8yfM
    That's a great video.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,945
    OllyT said:

    If the election were in the next month I think Biden would win the PV and EC but there is a long way to go before November. The economy will hardly have recovered at all by November but Trump is still polling ahead of Biden on the economy and probably will continue to do so right through to polling day. I don't think Trump will get much of the blame for the economy tanking. Even in the middle of this crisis he really isn't too far behind in those states he needs to take.

    This year will hinge on whether the pandemic and the fear of a second wave trumps (no pun intended) the conventional wisdom that economic issues determine the outcome. If I were a Trump strategist I would be beginning to get worried about the male/female voting splits. He is losing very heavily amongst women right now and I think that is down to his poor response to Covid-19. If that is still a big issue in November I don't believe a lot of those female voters are going to switch back.
    JC Penney with 90k.employees filed for bankruptcy today. There are 33m Americans already unemployed. There is a severe danger of a depression of unprecedented proportions. It is becoming increasingly inconceivable to see that many 're hiring any time soon. What this means for November is unknown, but this is a demand side shock like we've never seen.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Alistair said:

    My apologies it must have been someone else who said

    But the SNP have already lost a great deal of ground compared to 2015. I expect that trend to continue at Westminster elections.
    Well the SNP in 2019 did remain well below the vote share achieved in 2015 - and indeed the number of seats won. It is certainly the case that in the last Parliament I did suggest that if the polls implied a close election - in respect of which Labour appeared very competitive - further gains at SNP expense in Scotland were likely. Such a scenario,however, did not arise - and ,at no stage did I predict furher Labour gains there in the context of a commanding Tory victory across GB.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    It's a mystery why it's above 1 in Scotland when they have a much lower population density and the lockdown is more draconian.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    dixiedean said:

    JC Penney with 90k.employees filed for bankruptcy today. There are 33m Americans already unemployed. There is a severe danger of a depression of unprecedented proportions. It is becoming increasingly inconceivable to see that many 're hiring any time soon. What this means for November is unknown, but this is a demand side shock like we've never seen.
    And some here worry about the cost of our furlough scheme.

    These are the scenes we'd be getting if it wasn't for the furlough scheme. Yes some furloughed aren't coming back, but there's tens of millions not coming back in the USA.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    dixiedean said:

    Off topic. Am watching Black Books on C4. Am thinking the period 1998-2002 was a golden age of British sitcom.
    League of Gentlemen, Phoenix Nights, Spaced, The Office, Royle Family, Dinnerladies off the top of my head.

    Final series of Father Ted was 1998 too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414

    Final series of Father Ted was 1998 too.
    And they celebrated Radiohead too:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ManI1H9vA
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Alistair said:

    Weren't your last set of Scotland predicitions an absolute load of old cock?
    Yes.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Several kingdoms played pass the parcel with London during the Anglo-Saxon period. Broadly speaking, it started in Essex, then got nicked by the Mercians, and finally - after some nastiness with the Danes - it ended up in Wessex.

    Essex itself was eventually overrun and passed back and forth between the Danes and Wessex a couple of times.
    To be pedantic...

    Wasn’t that Lundwic not London?

    I’d date London from Alfred’s relocation of the town inside the walls of Londinium. Admittedly it was Wessex briefly but he then gave it to Aethlworth of Mercia (? I always get my Aethel’s muddled up) as a wedding present
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    FF43 said:

    The key LPF conditions for the EU, I think are State Aid and Taxation (exemptions more than rates), because these are the easiest to game. The environment and social standards probably could pass on an equivalence basis. So it's up to the UK to find a way it can live with state aid and taxation rules that are the same as the EU and applied in the same way and make the case for it to the EU. Otherwise all deals are off indefinitely, I think.
    Fine
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Haha - remember the dogshit well. It was almost religious the way the residents insisted their little rat dogs decorated the pavement.

    But there are of course some delightful aspects. I preferred Antibes and the surrounding area to Nice itself. There is a cute adjoining town Cagnes Sur Mer, which was nice.
    I much prefer Antibes. Cagnes is nice & I liked St Juan for drinks. But Eze is my favourite
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Nigelb said:

    Waste in covid-19 research
    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1847
    .... An extraordinary number of covid-19 trials have been registered since the pandemic started. The National Library of Medicine registry ClinicalTrials.gov lists 1087 covid-19 studies, and though some will provide useful information, many are too small and poorly designed to be helpful, merely adding to the covid-19 noise. Of the 145 registered trials of hydroxychloroquine, for example, 32 have a planned sample size of ≤100, 10 have no control group, and 12 are comparative but non-randomised. Outcome measures vary widely, and only 50 seem to be multicentre. Strikingly, only one provides a protocol, and even limited registry details reveal unjustified outcome switching.

    The imbalance in trial topics is worrying, in particular the paucity of trials on non-drug interventions. Despite non-drug interventions being the mainstay of current mitigation, we could find just two trials of masks on ClinicalTrials.gov and none examining social distancing, quarantine effect or adherence, hand hygiene, or other non-drug interventions. Covid-19 research funding mirrors this woeful imbalance. A search of Covid-19 Research Project Tracker, a live database of funded covid-19 projects, found almost no primary research of the effects of non-drug interventions on transmissibility, compared with hundreds of drug intervention projects worth at least $74m (£60m; €67m)....

    I thought clinicsltrials.gov was only pharmacological? I wouldn’t expect to find masks, hand washing, social distancing etc on there?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Charles said:

    I much prefer Antibes. Cagnes is nice & I liked St Juan for drinks. But Eze is my favourite
    I got married in Eze.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    As dire as the situation in care home is, she didn't need to exaggerate so wildly to make her point. No PPE? No support?
    You’d have thought that, as private businesses, care homes might take some steps themselves
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    dixiedean said:

    JC Penney with 90k.employees filed for bankruptcy today. There are 33m Americans already unemployed. There is a severe danger of a depression of unprecedented proportions. It is becoming increasingly inconceivable to see that many 're hiring any time soon. What this means for November is unknown, but this is a demand side shock like we've never seen.
    Chapter 11 isn’t quite the same as “administration” over here. There’s usually a viable business at the end of it
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    I got married in Eze.
    Good choice.

    We honeymooned on the Cap d’Antibes

    The Chèvre d’or in Eze is one of the best restaurants I’ve ever been to
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    Andy_JS said:

    It's a mystery why it's above 1 in Scotland when they have a much lower population density and the lockdown is more draconian.
    Didn't clear out a good number of superspreaders before the lockdown ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,414
    Charles said:

    Good choice.

    We honeymooned on the Cap d’Antibes

    The Chèvre d’or in Eze is one of the best restaurants I’ve ever been to
    That's where got married, although our reception was down by the sea at the Rothschild Etruscan Villa
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,205
    Pulpstar said:

    Didn't clear out a good number of superspreaders before the lockdown ?
    Scotland has a low population density because most of it is empty space. What is Scotland's population density in its cities, and what is R there?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,272
    Nice to have the footy back, on BT too.

    Frankfurt to win at 1730 UK time is my pick. It will be interesting to see how the atmosphere is in an empty stadium.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,559
    edited May 2020
    This thread has gone to a beauty spot for the day......
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,842
    rcs1000 said:

    I got married in Eze.
    That must have been glorious - it's so beautiful there.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,509
    Andy_JS said:

    It's a mystery why it's above 1 in Scotland when they have a much lower population density and the lockdown is more draconian.
    I've heard the virus thrives more in cold, damp conditions.
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