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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    Outrageous! @HYUFD is in St George flag Brexit Essex while I’m in Union Jack Brexit Essex.
    He's not far from me, I think, and we had a group in the market place campaigning for Remain on June 16th.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    This is all about the government’s finances.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,955

    It depends. On average yes - there are some dire older Travelodges - but otoh the newest ones are nearly as good as Premier Inn and usually quite a bit cheaper.
    I find the Hub by Premier Inn places quite good, particularly as I only ever really sleep in the room and want a comfortable night's sleep over space. I stay there quite a lot when it's on my dime rather than on expenses. I have stayed in some fantastic hotels over the years on expenses but I think you'd have to be mad to pay for them, when you spend 90% of your time in the room asleep.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    eadric said:

    A quick google shows that the excellent word ‘ponceyboots’ ONLY exists on PB

    We are creating our own dialect
    The originator must be itching to take credit for it...if he ever looks in on PB.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,636
    OllyT said:

    I suspect the sheer volume of retirees in Florida is helping Biden, I doubt many of them are too impressed by Trump's coronavirus antics.
    Biden is closer to their age. They'd trust him more than a young whippersnapper like Trump.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,809

    This was out of necessity and not choice.

    I'd sooner sleep in my car than a Travelodge.
    I lived in my car for nearly 2 weeks. A green BMW 318 company car. I got sacked and split with my g/f on the same day and went on the run in it.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Cleethorpes has seen better days but it isn't quite as depressing as Blackpool. I believe the Humberston 'Fitties' are now listed. I quite like the coastline to the S although it is a bit esoteric for some perhaps.

    All I need for a holiday is to be able to park a car in Scotland for a few days. It isn't hard to social distance on Bidein a'Choire Sheasgaich or Ben Alder, although that doesn't exactly benefit the economy much.

    Unfortunately May and early June is the time for that kind of thing and August is most definitely not...
    Why not August? Midges?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650
    kyf_100 said:

    I find the Hub by Premier Inn places quite good, particularly as I only ever really sleep in the room and want a comfortable night's sleep over space. I stay there quite a lot when it's on my dime rather than on expenses. I have stayed in some fantastic hotels over the years on expenses but I think you'd have to be mad to pay for them, when you spend 90% of your time in the room asleep.
    They are the people who enabled me to do a tour of virtually every cathedral in England paying £5 a night for the accommodation.

    Though the catering in our local one now seems to be Greggs, so no more Jubilee Pancakes.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,650

    The originator must be itching to take credit for it...if he ever looks in on PB.
    And twitter.

    https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1261368146084143106
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,667
    MattW said:

    And twitter.

    https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1261368146084143106
    It is what we working class Northerners would call a 'soft arse'.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Presume it’s a rogue poll in Florida.

    If Trumpton really is six points behind in the Sunshine State he is in deep, deep trouble.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,480
    MattW said:
    My recollection is the phrase was "gaylord ponceyboots" and it was used about a former Prime Minister.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    MattW said:

    And twitter.

    https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/1261368146084143106
    I believe the full term was gaylord ponceyboots.
    In those days it was more a question about the possibility of David Cameron being such a creature rather than an assertion, I fear there will be no doubt in the mind of its author now.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    kinabalu said:

    BoJo was NOT seventeen and a half stone (!) before the virus He's only 5 ft 8 inches tall. If he had weighed that much he would have looked like Mr Creosote.

    Is he spinning yet another self-serving yarn?

    Agreed. No way he/is was that heavy. He’s very portly but that’s absurd.

    Having met Bozza, I’d put him as 5-8 and about 14-7.

    Fat, certainly.

    Creosote, nope.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    O/T

    An interesting new song has just entered the charts on BBC4 Top of the Pops: Ride On Time by Black Box.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited May 2020
    Do we count this under a journey for work? As i don't think going on a booze cruise to France is currently allowed under the eased lockdown restrictions.

    https://twitter.com/SimonJonesNews/status/1261206755918430208?s=19
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited May 2020
    IanB2 said:

    Because the US insists that its various overseas bases are actually US soil.
    No, because "natural born" means US citizen from birth. So Ted Cruz, despite being born in Canada, is qualified to be POTUS because he inherited US citizenship at birth from his American mother. Duckworth similarly gets her citizenship from her American father, despite being born in Thailand.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,955

    Do we count this under a journey for work? As i don't think going on a booze cruise to France is currently allowed under the eased lockdown restrictions.

    https://twitter.com/SimonJonesNews/status/1261206755918430208?s=19

    It's odd, isn't it. We think of our money as our own, but if you had 100k in your account and you went into the bank tomorrow to get it they wouldn't let you have it.

    And if you did manage to get hold of it, if you tried to take it out of the country you'd be locked up.

    And people say Bitcoin is a scam...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    19:51
    Find lockdown ‘sex buddy’, Dutch singles advised
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    Pulpstar said:

    19:51
    Find lockdown ‘sex buddy’, Dutch singles advised

    Wasnt Prof Ferguson sex buddy Dutch?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,667
    kyf_100 said:

    It's odd, isn't it. We think of our money as our own, but if you had 100k in your account and you went into the bank tomorrow to get it they wouldn't let you have it.

    And if you did manage to get hold of it, if you tried to take it out of the country you'd be locked up.

    And people say Bitcoin is a scam...
    Actually that's not true, so long as you give enough notice (usually 2 working days) you can withdraw £90k in cash.

    So long as you have source of funds documentation you'll be fine.

    The bigger issue is trying to put £90k cash into a bank account.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,920
    edited May 2020
    IshmaelZ said:

    Why not August? Midges?
    Partly. They aren't much fun when camping wild, although if the weather is good you can stay high up and hope for a breeze.

    The other reason is rain. March - May is the driest period in western Scotland. August is quite a wet month (and is also wetter in England to some extent).

    I always wonder why English school holidays are in August, long after the best weather.

    Now would be a good time to move them permanently.



  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,480
    Just a word on the recent US State polls.

    In New Jersey, Clinton beat Trump by 14 in 2016 but Biden leads by 23. In Ohio, Trump won by 8 but is now up by only 3.

    In Texas, Trump won by 9 and is now up by 6 while in North Carolina Trump won by four and now leads by three.

    In Florida Trump won by one last time and now trails by six so we can deduce there's a 2.5-3% swing away from Trump out there.

    Better news from California where Trump lost by 30 and is still only 30 behind Biden so he's doing all right.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    I see there's some hilarity on my comment of earlier.

    In the EU's words: the UK is too big and too close to have a deal like Canada's. In other words, they are worried about what we'd do with our powers to undercut their markets (an unlevel playing field).

    If we don't do a deal, and do start to undercut it and do rather well, then they've (a) lost any cliff-edge leverage and (b) will want better access to that successful market which, remember, still represents 20% of Europe's economy. That's a big and meaningful chunk.

    So we will get to a fair deal in the end but will have to go through a few years of WTO first to get there.

    This isn't a controversial point.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121

    I see there's some hilarity on my comment of earlier.

    In the EU's words: the UK is too big and too close to have a deal like Canada's. In other words, they are worried about what we'd do with our powers to undercut their markets (an unlevel playing field).

    If we don't do a deal, and do start to undercut it and do rather well, then they've (a) lost any cliff-edge leverage and (b) will want better access to that successful market which, remember, still represents 20% of Europe's economy. That's a big and meaningful chunk.

    So we will get to a fair deal in the end but will have to go through a few years of WTO first to get there.

    This isn't a controversial point.

    Not a controversial post, just an idiotic one.....

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    Andy_JS said:

    Travelodge or Premier Inn?
    That's like asking White Lightning or Bulmers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    Nope, this was near Southampton when there was a football match on.

    The restaurant was a vending machine.
    You're obviously not an Alan Partridge fan.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    tyson said:

    Not a controversial post, just an idiotic one.....

    Only for those too blind to see.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Partly. They aren't much fun when camping wild, although if the weather is good you can stay high up and hope for a breeze.

    The other reason is rain. March - May is the driest period in western Scotland. August is quite a wet month (and is also wetter in England to some extent).

    I always wonder why English school holidays are in August, long after the best weather.

    Now would be a good time to move them permanently.



    There's a fair bit to be said for Scotland in September, too.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    kinabalu said:

    I lived in my car for nearly 2 weeks. A green BMW 318 company car. I got sacked and split with my g/f on the same day and went on the run in it.
    When I went to Nazareth, I arrived too late to book into the guesthouse because of a security flap at Luton, so I had to sleep in my car.

    It was a little Chevvy Spark, and as I’m quite big it was very uncomfortable.

    It was worse because like a stupid pillock I had forgotten to buy any water. So I was very thirsty indeed come the morning.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309

    Actually that's not true, so long as you give enough notice (usually 2 working days) you can withdraw £90k in cash.

    So long as you have source of funds documentation you'll be fine.

    The bigger issue is trying to put £90k cash into a bank account.
    What source of funds documentation do you need? Salary slips going back years, or a chit from a house sale?

    I presume a bank statement and ID isn't enough.

    Do they ask you what you intend to do with it and where you intend to store it?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,480
    Just glancing at the latest European polls, Boris Johnson and the Conservatives are far from unique in having a commanding lead currently.

    The Conservatives in Britain are 19 points ahead based on the latest Kantar poll. In Portugal, the ruling Socialists are 17 points ahead according to the latest poll. In the Netherlands, Rutte's VVD are also 17 points ahead.

    Merkel's CDU/CSU are 20 points ahead in the latest poll but are outshone by Kurz's OVP who lead by 26 points.

    Even in Sweden, the governing Social Democrats are 13 points ahead as support for the Sweden Democrats has collapsed to 16%. Finally, the New Democrats are 20 points ahead in Greece.

    The exceptions seem to be Norway and Italy where the governing parties don't seem to have had any kind of boost from the covid-19 crisis.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Small island communities do seem to be at something of an advantage in this situation. I'm sure I read somewhere that the Scottish Northern and Western Isles were in a not dissimilar position.
    Shetland was quite badly hit - possibly becausze it is a major through route for the oil industry (though I don't really know).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    An interesting new song has just entered the charts on BBC4 Top of the Pops: Ride On Time by Black Box.

    And at Number 1 was the Jive Bunny 50s medley. We're pretty much as far away in time as the songs Jive used for their collage as that was in 1989.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,884

    I see there's some hilarity on my comment of earlier.

    In the EU's words: the UK is too big and too close to have a deal like Canada's. In other words, they are worried about what we'd do with our powers to undercut their markets (an unlevel playing field).

    If we don't do a deal, and do start to undercut it and do rather well, then they've (a) lost any cliff-edge leverage and (b) will want better access to that successful market which, remember, still represents 20% of Europe's economy. That's a big and meaningful chunk.

    So we will get to a fair deal in the end but will have to go through a few years of WTO first to get there.

    This isn't a controversial point.

    It isn't a controversial point. But it's also why the LPF is the EU's absolute red line for any deal. We may go through WTO first and we will likely get to a deal eventually but it is very likely to include LPF conditions,
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    @Morris_Dancer

    You've been keeping quiet about this all day..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52677514
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    edited May 2020

    Partly. They aren't much fun when camping wild, although if the weather is good you can stay high up and hope for a breeze.

    The other reason is rain. March - May is the driest period in western Scotland. August is quite a wet month (and is also wetter in England to some extent).

    I always wonder why English school holidays are in August, long after the best weather.

    Now would be a good time to move them permanently.
    The answer is it’s a hangover from the time when most workers and their families would go out into the countryside to do farm work. August is the peak time for harvesting all sorts of things including fruit, vegetables and wheat. So unskilled labourers would stop trying to get casual work (which was the majority of unskilled work before 1914) such as docking or loading in the towns and go into the countryside to get work on the farms. Often they would take their whole families with them. The majority of fruit in the Cotswolds, for example, was picked by urban workers down from Birmingham for the month.

    So schools were making a virtue out of a necessity in closing for the end of July, the whole of August and the beginning of September. And because it’s bloody difficult and fiendishly complicated to change something like that, it’s stayed that way.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    Partly. They aren't much fun when camping wild, although if the weather is good you can stay high up and hope for a breeze.

    The other reason is rain. March - May is the driest period in western Scotland. August is quite a wet month (and is also wetter in England to some extent).

    I always wonder why English school holidays are in August, long after the best weather.

    Now would be a good time to move them permanently.



    Um. Show me the statistics that say August is “long after the best weather”. In fact, the warmest fortnight of the year, on average, is the first fortnight of August.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814
    Ave_it said:

    I wasn't planning to go to Scotland this year.

    Or next year either!

    You're missing out, it's wonderful.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,295
    "Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s
    Herd Immunity Is the Only Realistic Option—the Question Is How to Get There Safely
    By Nils Karlson, Charlotta Stern, and Daniel B. Klein"

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/sweden/2020-05-12/swedens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,667
    edited May 2020

    What source of funds documentation do you need? Salary slips going back years, or a chit from a house sale?

    I presume a bank statement and ID isn't enough.

    Do they ask you what you intend to do with it and where you intend to store it?
    Not always.

    Salary slips, share sale certification, letter from a solicitor/land registry documentation for a sale of property, usually do the trick.

    It used to be an issue a lot for weddings, where lots of things (florists and caterers for example) needed paying cash in hand or to pay builders.

    My favourite was a guy who won £500k on the lottery, but prior to that his credit score was so bad I think he had a negative credit score, and he only had a saving account with a major UK bank and couldn't get a current account anywhere, but paid for everything via cash or on a top up debit card.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546

    @Morris_Dancer

    You've been keeping quiet about this all day..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52677514

    Those officers are going to be in the deepest of deep shit for breaking social distancing.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Partly. They aren't much fun when camping wild, although if the weather is good you can stay high up and hope for a breeze.

    The other reason is rain. March - May is the driest period in western Scotland. August is quite a wet month (and is also wetter in England to some extent).

    I always wonder why English school holidays are in August, long after the best weather.

    Now would be a good time to move them permanently.

    May is definitely the best month in Devon.

    I am working on the Munros North of the Great Glen - up to about 80 so far. Not sure there will be an opportunity to add to that this year.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,309
    FF43 said:

    It isn't a controversial point. But it's also why the LPF is the EU's absolute red line for any deal. We may go through WTO first and we will likely get to a deal eventually but it is very likely to include LPF conditions,
    I think the UK might eventually even accept some LPF conditions.

    But, not these conditions. Not now. And it would need to involve a level of UK-European co-governance.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Andy_JS said:

    O/T

    An interesting new song has just entered the charts on BBC4 Top of the Pops: Ride On Time by Black Box.

    Blinding track.

    “You’re such a hot temptation / You just walk right in”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    IshmaelZ said:

    May is definitely the best month in Devon.

    I am working on the Munros North of the Great Glen - up to about 80 so far. Not sure there will be an opportunity to add to that this year.
    June in Aberystwyth is the most glorious month. Usually perfect weather and practically deserted as all the students have gone and none of the tourists have arrived.

    But you have to live there year round to get the benefit. As it happens, I did because I had a job there. Most students never know what they missed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,667
    ydoethur said:

    Those officers are going to be in the deepest of deep shit for breaking social distancing.
    They'll be fine, they'll just say they mistook him for a sheep and everyone will understand.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546
    edited May 2020

    They'll be fine, they'll just say they mistook him for a sheep and everyone will understand.
    Come off it TSE. I know the Welsh sheep are infamous for plotting world domination, but they would never carry swords.

    Edit - anyway, it’s the Dutch that have talked about exemptions for that kind of thing.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,840

    I think the UK might eventually even accept some LPF conditions.

    But, not these conditions. Not now. And it would need to involve a level of UK-European co-governance.
    Ah, you mean rejoining the political institutions?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,536
    ydoethur said:

    Come off it TSE. I know the Welsh sheep are infamous for plotting world domination, but they would never carry swords.

    Edit - anyway, it’s the Dutch that have talked about exemptions for that kind of thing.
    Is it just me, or does the guy with the sword look like the education secretary?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sweden’s Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the World’s
    Herd Immunity Is the Only Realistic Option—the Question Is How to Get There Safely
    By Nils Karlson, Charlotta Stern, and Daniel B. Klein"

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/sweden/2020-05-12/swedens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds

    Of course, the argument hinges on the assumption that infection confers lasting immunity. They take that as read. It would be interesting to know why. They are a political scientist, a sociologist and an economist.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385

    I think the UK might eventually even accept some LPF conditions.

    But, not these conditions. Not now. And it would need to involve a level of UK-European co-governance.
    Almost all FTAs contain some LPF conditions. NAFTA became USMCA at least partly because the US didn't feel that NAFTA contained enough LPF agreements. (Bizarrely, the new USMCA now contains LPF elements about the treatment of LBGT workers.)

    To take the Australia-US trade deal as an example, there are LPF elements on:

    - environmental standards
    - intellectual property
    - labour
    - dumping and illegal subsidies
    - the use of product standards
    etc.

    I have no doubt that the current LPF standards will be unacceptable. But we will also find very few takers for trade deals that do not contain LPF provisions. And I would also bet that we will be insisting on LPF provisions when we're in negotiations with Mercosur.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    I think the UK might eventually even accept some LPF conditions.

    But, not these conditions. Not now. And it would need to involve a level of UK-European co-governance.
    Some LPF conditions are entirely reasonable.

    EG the LPF conditions that the EU already agreed to in CETA. They're reasonable. These are not.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,667
    edited May 2020
    tlg86 said:

    Is it just me, or does the guy with the sword look like the education secretary?
    Now that you mention it, he does look like the disgraced national security risk Gavin Williamson.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675
    MaxPB said:

    It really does look like the UK epicenter is now care homes, I think community transmission is extremely low. Anecdotally messages coming from doctors in the family WhatsApp is of virtually no new virus admissions per day in their London trusts. That is being reflected in the London hospital death rate.

    Surely we need to have lockdown carehomes at the L5 measures and L3 for the wider community.

    Hmm.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/covid-19-infection-rate-goes-up-and-could-be-as-high-as-r1_uk_5ebeab48c5b67885adae7fe6?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&?ncid=newsltukhpmgpols
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/15/keir-starmer-needs-win-scotland-not-pmqs-have-chance-election/

    The threat to Starmer’s – and to any successor’s – dreams of office comes from failing to win back Scotland. So long as Scots insist on returning regiments of nationalist MPs to Westminster, Starmer will be forced at the next election to explain whether he will contemplate coming to some sort of post-election arrangement whereby the SNP agree to maintain a minority Labour government in office. It’s not a question on which he can prevaricate: everyone watching the TV news will know that a simple yes or no answer is within his grasp. If the answer is no, how will he form a government? If it’s yes, what will he give the SNP in return?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    Hmm.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/covid-19-infection-rate-goes-up-and-could-be-as-high-as-r1_uk_5ebeab48c5b67885adae7fe6?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&?ncid=newsltukhpmgpols
    Both can be true.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Chris said:

    Of course, the argument hinges on the assumption that infection confers lasting immunity. They take that as read. It would be interesting to know why. They are a political scientist, a sociologist and an economist.
    The general view appears to be that infection confers fairly long immunity, perhaps up to five years. There seems to be little evidence to the contrary as far as I can see?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    One of the world's largest cigarette companies, British American Tobacco (BAT), says it is ready to begin human trials on a tobacco-based coronavirus vaccine.

    In a statement, the firm said it was using proteins from tobacco leaves, which have generated a positive immune response in pre-clinical trials.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,662
    dixiedean said:

    Whitley Bay is pretty hip these days. It is a desirable residence for Geordie yuppies.
    If such a thing exists. Or ever did.
    Nice Metro station too.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385
    Chris said:

    Of course, the argument hinges on the assumption that infection confers lasting immunity. They take that as read. It would be interesting to know why. They are a political scientist, a sociologist and an economist.
    All the evidence is that there is strong T cell response to CV-19.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    kinabalu said:

    BoJo was NOT seventeen and a half stone (!) before the virus He's only 5 ft 8 inches tall. If he had weighed that much he would have looked like Mr Creosote.

    Is he spinning yet another self-serving yarn?

    17 and a half stone isn't anywhere near as much as that!

    Besides he's quite athletic as well as being on the heavy side. Remember that muscle is heavier by volume than fat so two people of the same volume can weigh quite different amounts.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    edited May 2020

    Hmm.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/covid-19-infection-rate-goes-up-and-could-be-as-high-as-r1_uk_5ebeab48c5b67885adae7fe6?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&?ncid=newsltukhpmgpols
    Simpsons paradox....BBC kinda sorta tried to explain it. R can be up while what Max says can be absolutely true, in fact is most likely.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814
    Personally I am delighted that we're standing up to the EU in the negotiations. The fact that there is conflict rather than automatic capitulation seems to be profoundly upsetting to some PBers. Oh well.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,385

    Some LPF conditions are entirely reasonable.

    EG the LPF conditions that the EU already agreed to in CETA. They're reasonable. These are not.
    There need to be more LPF agreements than CETA with regards to transfer pricing, otherwise both us and the EU will find our faces ripped off by tax dodging multinationals. That's not so much of an issue with Canada, as it's much further away and there is less of a tax arbitrage on physical goods issue.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    TGOHF666 said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/15/keir-starmer-needs-win-scotland-not-pmqs-have-chance-election/

    The threat to Starmer’s – and to any successor’s – dreams of office comes from failing to win back Scotland. So long as Scots insist on returning regiments of nationalist MPs to Westminster, Starmer will be forced at the next election to explain whether he will contemplate coming to some sort of post-election arrangement whereby the SNP agree to maintain a minority Labour government in office. It’s not a question on which he can prevaricate: everyone watching the TV news will know that a simple yes or no answer is within his grasp. If the answer is no, how will he form a government? If it’s yes, what will he give the SNP in return?

    Striking an agreement under such circumstances is just the start of any prospective Labour PM's problems. Because the SNP will no doubt insist on Indyref2 (or Indyref3, if they've had and lost the second one in the meantime) and what happens if they win?

    It'd be fascinating watching Starmer trying to justify negotiating independence with Scotland whilst simultaneously being kept in Government in London only by the votes of Scottish MPs.

    Indeed, it's arguably in the long-term interests of English Labour as well as the English Tories for Scotland to go, given that Scottish Labour isn't coming back and independence would resolve this question permanently.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,620

    Striking an agreement under such circumstances is just the start of any prospective Labour PM's problems. Because the SNP will no doubt insist on Indyref2 (or Indyref3, if they've had and lost the second one in the meantime) and what happens if they win?

    It'd be fascinating watching Starmer trying to justify negotiating independence with Scotland whilst simultaneously being kept in Government in London only by the votes of Scottish MPs.

    Indeed, it's arguably in the long-term interests of English Labour as well as the English Tories for Scotland to go, given that Scottish Labour isn't coming back and independence would resolve this question permanently.
    I was just thinking, at least Mr Corbyn was offering sometrhing different from the SNP. But why bother with Mr SKS when you have a home-grown lawyer in charge, and one not not beholden to petty English local considerations?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,232

    One of the world's largest cigarette companies, British American Tobacco (BAT), says it is ready to begin human trials on a tobacco-based coronavirus vaccine.

    In a statement, the firm said it was using proteins from tobacco leaves, which have generated a positive immune response in pre-clinical trials.

    Imagine if smoking 40 a day conferred immunity. Christ !
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Simpsons paradox....BBC kinda sorta tried to explain it. R can be up while what Max says can be absolutely true, in fact is most likely.
    It is most likely but of course care home staff and their family members are members of 'the wider community'.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Sometimes you look at some people, scratch your head and think what the fuck is wrong with them?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    She is just wrong.

    Maybe HYUFD will be along to defend her as no one else will
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    edited May 2020
    class="Quote" rel="TheScreamingEagles">Horrible horrible woman.

    She'd get it.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Ridiculous decision. I've defended Patel in the past but not now, not if this is right. Don't know what on earth she's thinking if this report is right.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,121
    Pulpstar said:

    Imagine if smoking 40 a day conferred immunity. Christ !
    Something tells me it is a piece of opportunistic advertising that has just luckily landed in their path.....
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Much of Essex is absolutely lovely.

    Epping Forest
    Dedham Vale
    The Naze Coast

    It’s only ignoramuses like @TheScreamingEagles who think otherwise
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,357

    One of the world's largest cigarette companies, British American Tobacco (BAT), says it is ready to begin human trials on a tobacco-based coronavirus vaccine.

    In a statement, the firm said it was using proteins from tobacco leaves, which have generated a positive immune response in pre-clinical trials.

    I'm hoping this one is the winner, just for the lols.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    Carnyx said:

    I was just thinking, at least Mr Corbyn was offering sometrhing different from the SNP. But why bother with Mr SKS when you have a home-grown lawyer in charge, and one not not beholden to petty English local considerations?
    if the last 4 years have taught us anything it is that it's impossible for English considerations (local or otherwise) to be petty. We should be duly grateful that we get sooked into them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491

    Much of Essex is absolutely lovely.

    Epping Forest
    Dedham Vale
    The Naze Coast

    It’s only ignoramuses like @TheScreamingEagles who think otherwise

    Its like France, beautiful country shame its full of French people (i am joking).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,675
    TGOHF666 said:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/15/keir-starmer-needs-win-scotland-not-pmqs-have-chance-election/

    The threat to Starmer’s – and to any successor’s – dreams of office comes from failing to win back Scotland. So long as Scots insist on returning regiments of nationalist MPs to Westminster, Starmer will be forced at the next election to explain whether he will contemplate coming to some sort of post-election arrangement whereby the SNP agree to maintain a minority Labour government in office. It’s not a question on which he can prevaricate: everyone watching the TV news will know that a simple yes or no answer is within his grasp. If the answer is no, how will he form a government? If it’s yes, what will he give the SNP in return?

    A Sindy referendum after 5 years.Nobody thinks they can be denied another try forever, and not that many people really care. Evem quite a few Tories fancy getting rid of the anti-Tory Scots. It's not as though many people expect them to win, with oil a busted flush.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    BT emailed me to announce live coverage of all this weekends Bundesliga games

    It will be interesting to see how surreal it is and also if fans congregate around the grounds despite appeals not to

    And live football of sorts back on tv

    I assume leagues across Europe will be watching with great interest, not the football but the reactions and consequences
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556

    Much of Essex is absolutely lovely.

    Epping Forest
    Dedham Vale
    The Naze Coast

    It’s only ignoramuses like @TheScreamingEagles who think otherwise

    I'd love to visit Nazeing, but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to stop laughing...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,667

    Its like France, beautiful country shame its full of French people (i am joking).
    I've seen three episodes of TOWIE, you can understand my wariness about Essex, about 30 years ago I spent a lovely weekend in Southend, I still have a momento.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052

    A Sindy referendum after 5 years.Nobody thinks they can be denied another try forever, and not that many people really care. Evem quite a few Tories fancy getting rid of the anti-Tory Scots. It's not as though many people expect them to win, with oil a busted flush.
    The Nats will lose again. Heart of stone etc.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,035

    Agreed. No way he/is was that heavy. He’s very portly but that’s absurd.

    Having met Bozza, I’d put him as 5-8 and about 14-7.

    Fat, certainly.

    Creosote, nope.
    I can't see any possible motive for lying about it though.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,029
    tyson said:

    Sometimes you look at some people, scratch your head and think what the fuck is wrong with them?
    We are on the same page on this one Tyson.

    Ashamed of her and anyone in my party who tries to defend her
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,035
    stodge said:

    Just a word on the recent US State polls.

    In New Jersey, Clinton beat Trump by 14 in 2016 but Biden leads by 23. In Ohio, Trump won by 8 but is now up by only 3.

    In Texas, Trump won by 9 and is now up by 6 while in North Carolina Trump won by four and now leads by three.

    In Florida Trump won by one last time and now trails by six so we can deduce there's a 2.5-3% swing away from Trump out there.

    Better news from California where Trump lost by 30 and is still only 30 behind Biden so he's doing all right.

    Biden must be odds on to win the popular vote. The biased Electoral College is another matter.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,704

    Much of Essex is absolutely lovely.

    Epping Forest
    Dedham Vale
    The Naze Coast

    It’s only ignoramuses like @TheScreamingEagles who think otherwise

    The area around Bishop's Stortford is fantastic.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491

    BT emailed me to announce live coverage of all this weekends Bundesliga games

    It will be interesting to see how surreal it is and also if fans congregate around the grounds despite appeals not to

    And live football of sorts back on tv

    I assume leagues across Europe will be watching with great interest, not the football but the reactions and consequences

    Watching the human cock fighting last weekend, sport with no crowd is just weird.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,546

    Its like France, beautiful country shame its full of French people (i am joking).
    Essex is full of French people?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,114
    OllyT said:

    I can't see any possible motive for lying about it though.

    It's his natural state

    Lie about anything, everything, always...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,491
    ydoethur said:

    Essex is full of French people?
    I dont know about Essex, but London is.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,704
    edited May 2020

    Watching the human cock fighting last weekend, sport with no crowd is just weird.
    You don't strike me as a UFC aficionado.

    No pun intended.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,814

    Its like France, beautiful country shame its full of French people (i am joking).
    I am glad you owned up to a rather crude and offensive joke. It's not that beautiful.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    TGOHF666 said:

    The Nats will lose again. Heart of stone etc.
    It does us down South no good though if they vote to stay in again, and then keep on electing an endless series of secessionist Governments. It isn't unreasonable for us to want some stability for a change, and the only way to get it is if the Scottish electorate either votes to go at long last or stops voting for the SNP. And it doesn't look very much like they're going to do the second thing, which leaves us reliant on the first.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    OllyT said:

    I can't see any possible motive for lying about it though.
    I doubt he is. It seems believable to me.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,334
    TGOHF666 said:

    The Nats will lose again. Heart of stone etc.
    But since you lot have the heart of a chicken, you'll put every obstacle possible in the way of a referendum you think you'll win. Odd.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,704

    I am glad you owned up to a rather crude and offensive joke. It's not that beautiful.
    As I said, have you been to, say, Dunmow, Hatfield Heath, etc.

    You wouldn't think you were in Essex. Though it is quite flat.
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