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If you improve your property with an extension outwardsw, upwards or downwards, you'll get assessed to see if it needs rebanding for council tax. So it will be worth a penny - or a bit - more.TGOHF666 said:
Sure - but dig out 2 levels of basement, add an extension and spend thousands on renovations and your house is worth not a penny more in current tax world.eek said:
You seem to forget houses find it very difficult to up sticks and move abroad.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.
It's why property and land taxes are easy to tax as they are harder to avoid than a lot of other taxes.
You then pay the same as your neighbour who hasn't redecorated or improved and has an asset worth half yours.
Now, if you're advocating that the top council tax band is too restricted, that's another discussion.0 -
It seems to me from the discussion on this thread that there's really very little we can do about the predicament we are in.
We have been engaged on is a sort of socialism on steroids.
A vast subsidy of the least productive part of our society on the one hand. and an agressive, determined and sustained throttling of the most productive part on the other.
Why would anybody be surprised a the result? complete penury, extreme misery and possible social and economic breakdown.
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Mr. Topping, it's a sinister trend.1
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BiB - Happy to be corrected on this, but I don't think you pay. When you sell the property, then it gets reassessed for CT. At least that's how I understand the system.SussexJames said:
If you improve your property with an extension outwardsw, upwards or downwards, you'll get assessed to see if it needs rebanding for council tax. So it will be worth a penny - or a bit - more.TGOHF666 said:
Sure - but dig out 2 levels of basement, add an extension and spend thousands on renovations and your house is worth not a penny more in current tax world.eek said:
You seem to forget houses find it very difficult to up sticks and move abroad.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.
It's why property and land taxes are easy to tax as they are harder to avoid than a lot of other taxes.
You then pay the same as your neighbour who hasn't redecorated or improved and has an asset worth half yours.
Now, if you're advocating that the top council tax band is too restricted, that's another discussion.0 -
"Managed" being the key word. Or "manipulated". But no matter. It gives the media a story.....RobD said:
Question 1 - are you suggesting they are making the numbers up? I think you'll need evidence to support this. As with most deadlines, the work is finished immediately prior to the deadline. That indicates that effort was well managed.kinabalu said:Oh and just to congratulate the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock. Took a lot of stick but he made it. 100k tests. Tick.
One could ask questions - (i) Is he marking his own homework? (ii) Was the target too hard and thus more important things have suffered because of it? (iii) Was the target too easy given it has been met? (iv) Is it not a trifle suspicious how it has been exactly met on the exact due day? (v) Just what generally was Hancock playing at with this whole "target" business? (vi) Was he - is he - using it to distract and hide something?
But let's not do this. This is not a time to be churlish. The time to be churlish will be come the inevitable public inquiry next year into all aspects of the government's response to Covid-19.0 -
I too think that everyone should pay income tax, albeit at a nominal level at the lower end. If you are not paying anything at all you are excluded from the national conversation about "taxpayers money". This does not help to foster togetherness.Cyclefree said:
The poor may pay less VAT because more of what they spend money on is exempt from it. But when they do it is highly regressive because that is the nature of any sales tax.not_on_fire said:The idea that even the poorest should have to pay income tax due to some moral need for all to contribute is a bit weird. Everyone pays VAT and other universal taxes already.
The argument is that everyone should contribute because it avoids (a) the free rider problem; and (b) it makes for better accountability. But it is the same argument - in reverse - as that made by some rich people: I don’t use these services so why should I pay for them. I don’t have much truck with that. But if universality is important then there is an argument that it should apply to all citizens. That is the argument behind having universal welfare benefits after all. If these are available to all, people will be more willing to pay for them. If they are only available to a few then those who pay may be less willing to pay for them. This problem is already seen in the US and could come here if we’re not careful.
Also agree on the great benefits of universality. Not sure if it's affordable in all cases however.0 -
The rebanding won't however occur until the house is sold.SussexJames said:
If you improve your property with an extension outwardsw, upwards or downwards, you'll get assessed to see if it needs rebanding for council tax. So it will be worth a penny - or a bit - more.TGOHF666 said:
Sure - but dig out 2 levels of basement, add an extension and spend thousands on renovations and your house is worth not a penny more in current tax world.eek said:
You seem to forget houses find it very difficult to up sticks and move abroad.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.
It's why property and land taxes are easy to tax as they are harder to avoid than a lot of other taxes.
You then pay the same as your neighbour who hasn't redecorated or improved and has an asset worth half yours.
Now, if you're advocating that the top council tax band is too restricted, that's another discussion.0 -
Do people generally use their dominant hand? (or mainly their dominant hand). Instinctively I assume so, but then again, I've only ever fired an air pistol...TOPPING said:
Amazing so many left handers.Theuniondivvie said:These fcukers spend oodles on infra red sights and top of the range body armour but won't pay an alterations shop to take up the hems of their breeks (I'm assuming that they're too useless to do it themselves)?
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And if so, do you use a wheel, or an exercise ball?TOPPING said:
Are you able to exercise?RochdalePioneers said:Fell into a right miserable funk on Wednesday and it shows no sign of lifting on what is now day 45 in the cage. Management meeting this lunchtime just reinforces the misery - CEO looking at options to start resuming "normal" in June maybe.
So a best best case of me leaving the hamster cage by day 76 though if "normal" is the split shifts we ran for all of a week and a half I'm not getting out of here until day 90. So this is maybe half distance possibly.
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LOL - unless you knock a house down to rebuild or subdivide your property hasn't been rebanded since 1991. Just the 30 years ago..SussexJames said:
If you improve your property with an extension outwardsw, upwards or downwards, you'll get assessed to see if it needs rebanding for council tax. So it will be worth a penny - or a bit - more.TGOHF666 said:
Sure - but dig out 2 levels of basement, add an extension and spend thousands on renovations and your house is worth not a penny more in current tax world.eek said:
You seem to forget houses find it very difficult to up sticks and move abroad.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.
It's why property and land taxes are easy to tax as they are harder to avoid than a lot of other taxes.
You then pay the same as your neighbour who hasn't redecorated or improved and has an asset worth half yours.
Now, if you're advocating that the top council tax band is too restricted, that's another discussion.0 -
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Still sub 50% for the Tories, poor effort.HYUFD said:twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1256193931001434112?s=20
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VAT is your baby for that. It's an unbelievably efficient tax. It's the absolute governor.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.2 -
The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.0 -
It is indeed, clear and concise bullet points.kinabalu said:
I confess I didn't. But "well written" always helps.Philip_Thompson said:
Did you even bother to read the article? It is well written.kinabalu said:
We must have different absurdity thresholds, you and I. My genuine initial reaction was to look for the blue tick because it must surely be a piss take.Endillion said:
Oh, come on. He's not saying that Hancock's achievement is comparable to the moon landings, just that the principle is that same. He set what looked like an almost impossible target and has effectively met it under difficult circumstances.kinabalu said:
That is quite bizarre. If I was thinking of doing one of my silly satirical type posts lampooning 'Hancock's Target' I would probably do something like that - liken it in deadpan language to JFK and the moonshot and things equally OTT and absurd and ridiculous. And here we have a supposedly loyal Tory MP taking the piss out of it in just that way! Is Freeman for the chop now, I wonder? And does it indicate a growing contempt for Hancock on the backbenches?Theuniondivvie said:JFK, Attlee, Thatch and..er..Hancock.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/status/1255788963870248960?s=20
Millions of self-help books are sold every year on the principle that you can learn from the techniques used by great leaders. I don't think Freeman is suggesting anything beyond that.
Pleased for Matt though. I do like him. Not sure how effective he is but I do like him.
This is quite well written too -
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/march2019
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Expand Rockall into a massive new naval base as an unpaid workfare program. With teaspoons.malcolmg said:
Sounds nice and simple solution , what would they do with all the parasitic lawyers and accountants that do the tax evasion though.Malmesbury said:
If you are interested, my EvulMasterplan looks like thismalcolmg said:
For sure that would be a much better solutionMalmesbury said:
You should have a closer look - one of the problems is that the benefit cuts are not perfectly synchronised with earning some money. So you get a job and have to inform them to reduce benefits at the right moment (get that wrong and get in trouble). If the casual job ends, changing back to the old level of benefits is not automatic either.malcolmg said:
Still yet to see all those Brexiteers stampeding for the jobs they said the foreigners were stealing. Heard some clown on LBC the other day moaning that there was no way he was taking a job given if he did the government took 60p out of every pound off his benefits. His example was if he did 8 hours at £8 an hour he only got £3.20, arithmetic obviously not his strongpoint. However shows there are many fat and happy on their benefits and have no principles of trying to help themselves or understand that if they actually work they should get less benefits, shocking.OldKingCole said:
I thought I'd read that the Immigration Bit had been quietly dropped. For now, anyway.malcolmg said:
All the fruit picking and hotel cleaning jobs that they want.HYUFD said:
By next year the transition period will end and we will slam the door firmly shut on free movement from the EU to the UK, so working class Northern and Midlands Brexit and Boris voters will get what they want with Brexit done and Priti Patel 's points system replacing an open door to immigration from Eastern EuropeRochdalePioneers said:
You and I know that. I await HYUFD coming on to defend Keith Josephism because printing money makes Tory hedge fund donors poorer which is absolutely what all these new Tory voters in places like Stockton-on-Tees are concerned about.Philip_Thompson said:
So we print cash.RochdalePioneers said:
We will need to grow the economy and I take your point on tax squashing demand. However, the government - indeed all governments - are going to spend £fucktons. The UK is fiscally sovereign - we can print money which is a distinct advantage to France and Germany. So we either find people to sell our debt to - and there will be a lot of competition - or we print cash.HYUFD said:So the thread seems to focus on tax rises, from inheritance tax, to higher corporation and inheritance tax to even forcing the poorest to pay income tax again.
As Margaret Thatcher said 'No, No, No' we have a Tory government not a Labour government and I doubt even Starmer would go as far as the tax bombshells Cyclefree is floating here. Especially when we need to grow the economy once lockdown ends not hammer it with tax rises
Either way your No No No will very likely become Yes Yes Yes. The point where cash is needed to keep poor people from starving, you will I assume be saying no no no...
An awful suggestion normally especially when facing inflation. But we are facing a pandemic not seen for a century and deflation. So really right now printing money is the worst solution we can think of except all others.
I think this will quickly turn into rampant cakeism from HYUFDist loons. 'Yes you peons voted Tory and we thank you for that. We're going to enact policies which will sadly make some of you poor and hungry to make the fat and wealthy fatter and wealthier. They matter to us, you do not. Don't worry though - to pacify you we're going to say every day how we are controlling immigration by leaving the border wide open and how we're Getting Brexit Done. Whats that? You're having to eat grass? But you said that you would be *happy* to eat grass if thats what it took.'
After about 1 hour of looking at this issue, most people become a fan of a Universal Basic Income.
1) Abolish the tax free allowance for income tax and NI.
2) UBI of the former basic rate of tax paid by the government, monthly, directly to a specified account.
3) Automatic assumed payment of minimum NI included in that.
4) UBI can never be taxed, withdrawn etc. Everyone gets it
5) All earrings above UBI are taxed.
6) Additional benefits for disability etc. But these should be rare.
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Disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:
Still sub 50% for the Tories, poor effort.HYUFD said:twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1256193931001434112?s=20
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On the plus side for Sweden someone has come back to life on the 17th of April, yesterday they had 80 Covid deaths recorded for that day, today it is 79.0
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Also @kinabalu good charts in that link you gave. Especially Figure 2 showing that the deficit 1.2% of GDP is the lowest the UK has had since 2001/02 which thankfully leaves us in a much better position going into this crisis than in 2007/08 when look how close the deficit was to the yellow line in that chart - and how it had been that close since 2002/03.0
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The Tories are now the party of the 48%.RobD said:
Disaster.FrancisUrquhart said:
Still sub 50% for the Tories, poor effort.HYUFD said:twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1256193931001434112?s=20
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Yes plus some weapons are not able to be used by lefties as they eject the cartridge away from the body if held by a rightie and into your face if by a leftie. Although some can be amended to be used by lefties.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Do people generally use their dominant hand? (or mainly their dominant hand). Instinctively I assume so, but then again, I've only ever fired an air pistol...TOPPING said:
Amazing so many left handers.Theuniondivvie said:These fcukers spend oodles on infra red sights and top of the range body armour but won't pay an alterations shop to take up the hems of their breeks (I'm assuming that they're too useless to do it themselves)?
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7 day hospital death trend for England:
We're looking at ~ 350 deaths in hospitals within the next few days and hopefully below 300 within the next 7 days. The infection rate should now be low enough to implement a test and separate policy.0 -
I'm watching Kellyanne Conway - her face seems to be turning to Trump color, unless it's the lights used on the north lawn TV site.0
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And utterly avoidable if you so choosekinabalu said:
VAT is your baby for that. It's an unbelievably efficient tax. It's the absolute governor.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.
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Imagine this had hit in 2009 - we would have been rooked.Philip_Thompson said:Also @kinabalu good charts in that link you gave. Especially Figure 2 showing that the deficit 1.2% of GDP is the lowest the UK has had since 2001/02 which thankfully leaves us in a much better position going into this crisis than in 2007/08 when look how close the deficit was to the yellow line in that chart - and how it had been that close since 2002/03.
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I thought so too.Philip_Thompson said:
It is indeed, clear and concise bullet points.kinabalu said:
I confess I didn't. But "well written" always helps.Philip_Thompson said:
Did you even bother to read the article? It is well written.kinabalu said:
We must have different absurdity thresholds, you and I. My genuine initial reaction was to look for the blue tick because it must surely be a piss take.Endillion said:
Oh, come on. He's not saying that Hancock's achievement is comparable to the moon landings, just that the principle is that same. He set what looked like an almost impossible target and has effectively met it under difficult circumstances.kinabalu said:
That is quite bizarre. If I was thinking of doing one of my silly satirical type posts lampooning 'Hancock's Target' I would probably do something like that - liken it in deadpan language to JFK and the moonshot and things equally OTT and absurd and ridiculous. And here we have a supposedly loyal Tory MP taking the piss out of it in just that way! Is Freeman for the chop now, I wonder? And does it indicate a growing contempt for Hancock on the backbenches?Theuniondivvie said:JFK, Attlee, Thatch and..er..Hancock.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/status/1255788963870248960?s=20
Millions of self-help books are sold every year on the principle that you can learn from the techniques used by great leaders. I don't think Freeman is suggesting anything beyond that.
Pleased for Matt though. I do like him. Not sure how effective he is but I do like him.
This is quite well written too -
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/march2019
Don't you think?
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The TFEU obliges EU Member States to comply with budgetary discipline by respecting two criteria: a deficit to GDP ratio and a debt to GDP ratio not exceeding reference values of 3% and 60% respectively, as defined in the Protocol on the EDP annexed to the TFEU.
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One of the results I am anticipating from this virus episode is putting the Green Party back to a respectable showing.HYUFD said:1 -
Eyeballing it that looks like a downward trend to me but bumpy. We'll have to see what continues to happen though.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.0 -
They really must be chewing the carpets at the news channels. The more hyperbolic their attacks get the more people ignore them.HYUFD said:5 -
What's your reading of how things will proceed in Sweden? I think it's going to go very badly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
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Swedish data seems to be both lumpy and laggy. We probably won't know until next week whether this week is up, flat or down.Alistair said:On the plus side for Sweden someone has come back to life on the 17th of April, yesterday they had 80 Covid deaths recorded for that day, today it is 79.
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They are his peopleTheuniondivvie said:Back with the good people shite.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1256202305680158720?s=200 -
That's the TFEU definition and no it does not.kinabalu said:
I thought so too.Philip_Thompson said:
It is indeed, clear and concise bullet points.kinabalu said:
I confess I didn't. But "well written" always helps.Philip_Thompson said:
Did you even bother to read the article? It is well written.kinabalu said:
We must have different absurdity thresholds, you and I. My genuine initial reaction was to look for the blue tick because it must surely be a piss take.Endillion said:
Oh, come on. He's not saying that Hancock's achievement is comparable to the moon landings, just that the principle is that same. He set what looked like an almost impossible target and has effectively met it under difficult circumstances.kinabalu said:
That is quite bizarre. If I was thinking of doing one of my silly satirical type posts lampooning 'Hancock's Target' I would probably do something like that - liken it in deadpan language to JFK and the moonshot and things equally OTT and absurd and ridiculous. And here we have a supposedly loyal Tory MP taking the piss out of it in just that way! Is Freeman for the chop now, I wonder? And does it indicate a growing contempt for Hancock on the backbenches?Theuniondivvie said:JFK, Attlee, Thatch and..er..Hancock.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/status/1255788963870248960?s=20
Millions of self-help books are sold every year on the principle that you can learn from the techniques used by great leaders. I don't think Freeman is suggesting anything beyond that.
Pleased for Matt though. I do like him. Not sure how effective he is but I do like him.
This is quite well written too -
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/march2019
Don't you think?
And what did you make of that definition of what constitutes sound public finances? -
The TFEU obliges EU Member States to comply with budgetary discipline by respecting two criteria: a deficit to GDP ratio and a debt to GDP ratio not exceeding reference values of 3% and 60% respectively, as defined in the Protocol on the EDP annexed to the TFEU.
Sound broadly reasonable?
It says that you can be running a 2.9% deficit during a boom time so long as your debt isn't high without giving any thought as to what happens when the next inevitable recession comes after the boom - which is precisely what happened in 2007/08.
This may be breaking news to you but I don't agree 100% with everything in the TFEU
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Not in most cases. And the collection mechanism is a thing of beauty.TGOHF666 said:
And utterly avoidable if you so choosekinabalu said:
VAT is your baby for that. It's an unbelievably efficient tax. It's the absolute governor.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.0 -
Tories more than Labour, LDs and Greens combinedFrancisUrquhart said:
Still sub 50% for the Tories, poor effort.HYUFD said:twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1256193931001434112?s=20
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Not really. It's their job to hold the government to account. People can then make their own minds up as to how well the govt is doing.DavidL said:
They really must be chewing the carpets at the news channels. The more hyperbolic their attacks get the more people ignore them.HYUFD said:
Of course there will be plenty supporting the government who are keen not to rock the boat and try something new while the pandemic is ongoing.0 -
Their data can lag for up to 14 days, either by incompetence or policy the statistics in Sweden don't make sense.eadric said:
I change my mind every day about Sweden. Today I don’t even know what to think. Their data is all over the placeMaxPB said:
What's your reading of how things will proceed in Sweden? I think it's going to go very badly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.0 -
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Get back to me in a week.MaxPB said:
What's your reading of how things will proceed in Sweden? I think it's going to go very badly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.
Two days ago I thought Sweden was going to be pretty smug about how it had handled things. Now my gut is telling mw they are going to stabalise at a high ongoing death count and have to pivot to harder lockdown.
But we are dealing with laggy data and this may just be a blip and in a couple of days time everything will still be on a downward trend.
So, I don't know. I certainly wouldn't be gambling any money of the situation.1 -
Is this the Starmer bounce?HYUFD said:0 -
That's a general rebanding assessment. If your property is extended, you may get rebanded.TGOHF666 said:
LOL - unless you knock a house down to rebuild or subdivide your property hasn't been rebanded since 1991. Just the 30 years ago..SussexJames said:
If you improve your property with an extension outwardsw, upwards or downwards, you'll get assessed to see if it needs rebanding for council tax. So it will be worth a penny - or a bit - more.TGOHF666 said:
Sure - but dig out 2 levels of basement, add an extension and spend thousands on renovations and your house is worth not a penny more in current tax world.eek said:
You seem to forget houses find it very difficult to up sticks and move abroad.TGOHF666 said:
One of the key elements that people overlook on taxes is are they cost efficient and easy to collect accurately ...kinabalu said:
Tax on residential property. Tap into the £6 trillion. Do you like the sound of that?Cyclefree said:
Why? People happily pay a call out charge for a sick pet but faint with horror at doing the same for a sick child. Which is more important?kamski said:Whether charging for going to the doctor is a good idea or not I don't know, but the argument that people can afford to pay vets so why not doctors is really silly.
Also weird that so many suggestions but no mention of a carbon tax, which is anyway a no-brainer even without Covid.
Carbon taxes are a very good idea. But if they are going to be effective in stopping behaviour we do not want they will not raise much money. Or not as much as we may need. I would also tax airline fuel (assuming there are any airlines left) and raise Air Passenger Duty.
It's why property and land taxes are easy to tax as they are harder to avoid than a lot of other taxes.
You then pay the same as your neighbour who hasn't redecorated or improved and has an asset worth half yours.
Now, if you're advocating that the top council tax band is too restricted, that's another discussion.
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Grey line is 7 day average, Orange line is my centroid normally spread average, blue is the daily figuresPhilip_Thompson said:
Eyeballing it that looks like a downward trend to me but bumpy. We'll have to see what continues to happen though.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.
It definitely was going down. I wouldn't like to say what it is doing now.0 -
Or we could all be in a computer simulation.eadric said:
The 31% who ‘know’ aliens don’t exist are the stupid ones. The universe contains 100 BILLION galaxies each with 100 BILLION stars, so there are trillions of planets.HYUFD said:
It is extremely improbable ours is the only planet showing signs of life.
And of course there may be trillions of parallel universes. Or an infinite number.
But then there would be aliens, I suppose. 0 -
In other words We SHOULD negotiate with terrorists when they're my terrorists.HYUFD said:
They are his peopleTheuniondivvie said:Back with the good people shite.
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IF Trump is at that point when up to a fifth of Americans are losing their jobs, well.logical_song said:
Biden? that's their guy to take down their bitterest enemy ever?0 -
Agreed. Even with those lines it looks like it is going down to me but we can't be certain. Once laggy data is added in the descent could be it could be a plateau or it could even be rising once more. Its hard to know at this stage.Alistair said:
Grey line is 7 day average, Orange line is my centroid normally spread averagePhilip_Thompson said:
Eyeballing it that looks like a downward trend to me but bumpy. We'll have to see what continues to happen though.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.
It definitely was going down. I wouldn't like to say what it is doing now.0 -
I find BBC Scotland quite sycophantic tbh, but I wouldn't deny that Nicola has had a fairly good crisis despite the chaos and incompetence all around her. I thought Alex Bell's piece was more than a bit harsh.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
Ref header. This is a once in a hundred year chance to not tinker but totally reform.
1.NI/Tax unified and as others said. Ditch the breaks... all of them. Pensioners, self employed the lot.
2. VAT on everything, no exceptions. tampons, bread, books the lot.
3. Pensions. part of 1, just get rid of the allowances all together.
4. Land value tax. it really isn't hard. Ref Korea.
5. Abolish stamp duties and rates. Part of 4.
6. Escalate the sin taxes, fuel, fags, booze, gambling, carbon. All of them. you want to do bad things feel free but you're paying for it.
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As I understand it, two things are happening in Sweden, in Stockholm and surrounding county the outbreak has peaked and is now reducing, but in the rest of the country it is still growing slowly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.
The Swedish althoratys think that 25% or slightly over of the Stockholm population has had it and is now there for immune, and this combined with the mostly voluntary reduction in scochale contact, has brought R to under 1, without the hospitals being overrun.
Outside the capitally, R is still over 1, and thfor growing but rise is slow, so the hospitals will likely not be overrun.0 -
The Americans have always had a love-hate relationship with terrorists. Who do you think supported the IRA?Theuniondivvie said:
In other words We SHOULD negotiate with terrorists when they're my terrorists.HYUFD said:
They are his peopleTheuniondivvie said:Back with the good people shite.
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I was talking to a major investment bank who have employed an army of their own epidemiologists to try and get a jump on government actions and their impacts on the markets. they are all working nicely... except Sweden. go figure.MaxPB said:
Their data can lag for up to 14 days, either by incompetence or policy the statistics in Sweden don't make sense.eadric said:
I change my mind every day about Sweden. Today I don’t even know what to think. Their data is all over the placeMaxPB said:
What's your reading of how things will proceed in Sweden? I think it's going to go very badly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.0 -
National Insurance should be ringfenced as solely for state pensions, the NHS and contributions based JSAblairf said:Ref header. This is a once in a hundred year chance to not tinker but totally reform.
1.NI/Tax unified and as others said. Ditch the breaks... all of them. Pensioners, self employed the lot.
2. VAT on everything, no exceptions. tampons, bread, books the lot.
3. Pensions. part of 1, just get rid of the allowances all together.
4. Land value tax. it really isn't hard. Ref Korea.
5. Abolish stamp duties and rates. Part of 4.
6. Escalate the sin taxes, fuel, fags, booze, gambling, carbon. All of them. you want to do bad things feel free but you're paying for it.0 -
Here is the change in counts for daily deaths from the 17th of April to the 30th of April for SwedenMaxPB said:
Their data can lag for up to 14 days, either by incompetence or policy the statistics in Sweden don't make sense.eadric said:
I change my mind every day about Sweden. Today I don’t even know what to think. Their data is all over the placeMaxPB said:
What's your reading of how things will proceed in Sweden? I think it's going to go very badly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.
-1,2,1,2,2,1,6,5,8,8,5,7,15,9
So for 8 days Sweden's death data gets signficant additions and then minor changes for another 7 before stabalising.
Haven't tracked their ICU data with the same care so can't tell you how much the most recent figures will rise.0 -
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I am still chuckling about Corbyn being deceived by his own election team.it really is lorralorralaughs.1
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Are the NHS death counters having the day off?0
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I should imagine the Corbynites are loving it - indeed they may even be trolling the polling companies!williamglenn said:0 -
Life maybe, intelligent life who knowseadric said:
The 31% who ‘know’ aliens don’t exist are the stupid ones. The universe contains 100 BILLION galaxies each with 100 BILLION stars, so there are trillions of planets.HYUFD said:
It is extremely improbable ours is the only planet showing signs of life.
And of course there may be trillions of parallel universes. Or an infinite number.0 -
It seems mathematically impossible that aliens don't exist, indeed there are probably millions of them. Whether we will ever have any meaningful interaction with them given the time and space involved is a much more difficult question to which the provisional answer has to be "no".eadric said:
The 31% who ‘know’ aliens don’t exist are the stupid ones. The universe contains 100 BILLION galaxies each with 100 BILLION stars, so there are trillions of planets.HYUFD said:
It is extremely improbable ours is the only planet showing signs of life.
And of course there may be trillions of parallel universes. Or an infinite number.
But still they come...1 -
I would agree with all of that, except the last one. Instead I would add legalise and tax, Cannabis, prostitution, and so on.blairf said:Ref header. This is a once in a hundred year chance to not tinker but totally reform.
1.NI/Tax unified and as others said. Ditch the breaks... all of them. Pensioners, self employed the lot.
2. VAT on everything, no exceptions. tampons, bread, books the lot.
3. Pensions. part of 1, just get rid of the allowances all together.
4. Land value tax. it really isn't hard. Ref Korea.
5. Abolish stamp duties and rates. Part of 4.
6. Escalate the sin taxes, fuel, fags, booze, gambling, carbon. All of them. you want to do bad things feel free but you're paying for it.0 -
The data is slow.eadric said:
I change my mind every day about Sweden. Today I don’t even know what to think. Their data is all over the placeMaxPB said:
What's your reading of how things will proceed in Sweden? I think it's going to go very badly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.
The numbers real world reaction to policy changes is also slow.
As a result you have to make slow decisions.
Just chill for a while.
Use your chilling out time to read Thinking In Systems: A Primer0 -
One early 2004 Yougov poll had the Tories on 40% after Howard became leaderwilliamglenn said:
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Prostitution is legal in this country so hard to legalise it.BigRich said:
I would agree with all of that, except the last one. Instead I would add legalise and tax, Cannabis, prostitution, and so on.blairf said:Ref header. This is a once in a hundred year chance to not tinker but totally reform.
1.NI/Tax unified and as others said. Ditch the breaks... all of them. Pensioners, self employed the lot.
2. VAT on everything, no exceptions. tampons, bread, books the lot.
3. Pensions. part of 1, just get rid of the allowances all together.
4. Land value tax. it really isn't hard. Ref Korea.
5. Abolish stamp duties and rates. Part of 4.
6. Escalate the sin taxes, fuel, fags, booze, gambling, carbon. All of them. you want to do bad things feel free but you're paying for it.0 -
The England stats are already available. 352 deaths announced, 86% from the 7 days prior.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the NHS death counters having the day off?
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Just back from my weekly shopping expedition. The new gap in supplies seems to be eggs - both Morrisons and the Co-op had run out.0
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Mayday mayday!FrancisUrquhart said:Are the NHS death counters having the day off?
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Gaddafi?Philip_Thompson said:
The Americans have always had a love-hate relationship with terrorists. Who do you think supported the IRA?Theuniondivvie said:
In other words We SHOULD negotiate with terrorists when they're my terrorists.HYUFD said:
They are his peopleTheuniondivvie said:Back with the good people shite.
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Bit like the Labour party then.HYUFD said:
Life maybe, intelligent life who knowseadric said:
The 31% who ‘know’ aliens don’t exist are the stupid ones. The universe contains 100 BILLION galaxies each with 100 BILLION stars, so there are trillions of planets.HYUFD said:
It is extremely improbable ours is the only planet showing signs of life.
And of course there may be trillions of parallel universes. Or an infinite number.2 -
M&S too yesterday, but my local garage has them. However, they're requesting people bring their egg boxes back - I think that is the problem in the supply chain.slade said:Just back from my weekly shopping expedition. The new gap in supplies seems to be eggs - both Morrisons and the Co-op had run out.
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More the overall concept is what I thought might be interesting - how when assessing the state of a nation's public finances one looks at the level of deficit and of debt as a % of GDP.Philip_Thompson said:
That's the TFEU definition and no it does not.kinabalu said:
I thought so too.Philip_Thompson said:
It is indeed, clear and concise bullet points.kinabalu said:
I confess I didn't. But "well written" always helps.Philip_Thompson said:
Did you even bother to read the article? It is well written.kinabalu said:
We must have different absurdity thresholds, you and I. My genuine initial reaction was to look for the blue tick because it must surely be a piss take.Endillion said:
Oh, come on. He's not saying that Hancock's achievement is comparable to the moon landings, just that the principle is that same. He set what looked like an almost impossible target and has effectively met it under difficult circumstances.kinabalu said:
That is quite bizarre. If I was thinking of doing one of my silly satirical type posts lampooning 'Hancock's Target' I would probably do something like that - liken it in deadpan language to JFK and the moonshot and things equally OTT and absurd and ridiculous. And here we have a supposedly loyal Tory MP taking the piss out of it in just that way! Is Freeman for the chop now, I wonder? And does it indicate a growing contempt for Hancock on the backbenches?Theuniondivvie said:JFK, Attlee, Thatch and..er..Hancock.
https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/status/1255788963870248960?s=20
Millions of self-help books are sold every year on the principle that you can learn from the techniques used by great leaders. I don't think Freeman is suggesting anything beyond that.
Pleased for Matt though. I do like him. Not sure how effective he is but I do like him.
This is quite well written too -
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicspending/bulletins/ukgovernmentdebtanddeficitforeurostatmaast/march2019
Don't you think?
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The TFEU obliges EU Member States to comply with budgetary discipline by respecting two criteria: a deficit to GDP ratio and a debt to GDP ratio not exceeding reference values of 3% and 60% respectively, as defined in the Protocol on the EDP annexed to the TFEU.
Sound broadly reasonable?
It says that you can be running a 2.9% deficit during a boom time so long as your debt isn't high without giving any thought as to what happens when the next inevitable recession comes after the boom - which is precisely what happened in 2007/08.
This may be breaking news to you but I don't agree 100% with everything in the TFEU
I suppose it's pretty obvious but, you know, I thought why not circulate because one or two people on here might not have a handle on this stuff like you and I have.0 -
Obviously not sycophantic enough, according to a Survation poll the Scottish public give the SG a 70% rating for trustworthiness over the Corona virus v. 42% for the BBC.DavidL said:
I find BBC Scotland quite sycophantic tbh, but I wouldn't deny that Nicola has had a fairly good crisis despite the chaos and incompetence all around her. I thought Alex Bell's piece was more than a bit harsh.Theuniondivvie said:
D'ye think Jackson's official complaint against the BBC for lack of SNPbadness is well advised?0 -
Nissan shakes off virus woes with April rebound in China, sources say
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BEIJING – Vehicle sales by Nissan Motor Co. in China this month had almost recovered to the prior year’s level, after logging a coronavirus-related 44.9 percent plunge in March, two sources with knowledge of the automaker’s preliminary data have said.
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Some of these are starting to sound like the planning of Steiner's attack.blairf said:Ref header. This is a once in a hundred year chance to not tinker but totally reform.
1.NI/Tax unified and as others said. Ditch the breaks... all of them. Pensioners, self employed the lot.
2. VAT on everything, no exceptions. tampons, bread, books the lot.
3. Pensions. part of 1, just get rid of the allowances all together.
4. Land value tax. it really isn't hard. Ref Korea.
5. Abolish stamp duties and rates. Part of 4.
6. Escalate the sin taxes, fuel, fags, booze, gambling, carbon. All of them. you want to do bad things feel free but you're paying for it.
The size of Britain's economy when we emerge simply cannot and will not be large enough to yield anything like the money required from these measures to recoup what we have spent either now and in the future.
The only thing that might help is to take an axe to everything that isn;t the NHS in the public sector, slash taxes and deregulate madly.
That might make us some money. I doubt whether it would be anything like enough.
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I really hope the story about the change to counting tests isn't true. The story about the NHS procurement manager is bad enough, fiddling with the numbers on the same day is too much confidence-knocking news in one go.0
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I fear with Jackson you need to ask if this is the stupidest thing he could have done with his time and conclude the answer is probably and regrettably not.Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously not sycophantic enough, according to a Survation poll the Scottish public give the SG a 70% rating for trustworthiness over the Corona virus v. 42% for the BBC.DavidL said:
I find BBC Scotland quite sycophantic tbh, but I wouldn't deny that Nicola has had a fairly good crisis despite the chaos and incompetence all around her. I thought Alex Bell's piece was more than a bit harsh.Theuniondivvie said:
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For some reason, I can't see them on the website.MaxPB said:
The England stats are already available. 352 deaths announced, 86% from the 7 days prior.FrancisUrquhart said:Are the NHS death counters having the day off?
Edit:- Can now.0 -
My guess is that Sweden won't be a total disaster, but basically it's a distraction. If you are not the UK or a couple of other countries your country will do better than Sweden at this stage. And if you are the UK then what can you learn from Sweden? Would it have been better not to have locked down and had absolutely catastrophic death rates? And if you are looking for role models, why not choose South Korea or somewhere like Denmark?eadric said:
I change my mind every day about Sweden. Today I don’t even know what to think. Their data is all over the placeMaxPB said:
What's your reading of how things will proceed in Sweden? I think it's going to go very badly.Alistair said:The Downward trend in new Swedish ICU has definitely stopped
Indeed given this data is laggy that suggests that after a week there will be a rise in the most recent figures.
There is one curiosity. People talk about British exceptionalism, but Swedish exceptionalism is on a different scale entirely. Including expectations that viruses behave differently there.0 -
We should have learned from the Blair era that the problem with simplistic targets is always that they can be achieved in easier ways than that intended. Soviet hospitals wheeling patients into the street to die, redux.Scott_xP said:1 -
Damn right. And now we're utterly rooked.TGOHF666 said:
Imagine this had hit in 2009 - we would have been rooked.Philip_Thompson said:Also @kinabalu good charts in that link you gave. Especially Figure 2 showing that the deficit 1.2% of GDP is the lowest the UK has had since 2001/02 which thankfully leaves us in a much better position going into this crisis than in 2007/08 when look how close the deficit was to the yellow line in that chart - and how it had been that close since 2002/03.
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Agreeing to mail is a bit dodgy but if the tests have been sent out after people have applied for them and are therefore presumably motivated what is the problem with that exactly?Scott_xP said:1 -
Mainly north east Catholics. I was in a bar in the Combat Zone in Boston in the late 70s when a couple of heavy set males in blue jeans and black leather jackets came in and stood quietly by the door, followed by several females dressed the same, who wandered through the bar passing buckets around for donations under the watchful eyes of the men. That was Noraid. Northeastern Catholics loved the country so much that they'd do anything short of actually going there. They viewed the IRA as romantically as we viewed the old west. In those days there were many bumper stickers that sid simply 26 + 6 = 1. It didn't require an explanation.Philip_Thompson said:
The Americans have always had a love-hate relationship with terrorists. Who do you think supported the IRA?Theuniondivvie said:
In other words We SHOULD negotiate with terrorists when they're my terrorists.HYUFD said:
They are his peopleTheuniondivvie said:Back with the good people shite.
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OH? What could be more stupid? I'm curious, please ...DavidL said:
I fear with Jackson you need to ask if this is the stupidest thing he could have done with his time and conclude the answer is probably and regrettably not.Theuniondivvie said:
Obviously not sycophantic enough, according to a Survation poll the Scottish public give the SG a 70% rating for trustworthiness over the Corona virus v. 42% for the BBC.DavidL said:
I find BBC Scotland quite sycophantic tbh, but I wouldn't deny that Nicola has had a fairly good crisis despite the chaos and incompetence all around her. I thought Alex Bell's piece was more than a bit harsh.Theuniondivvie said:
D'ye think Jackson's official complaint against the BBC for lack of SNPbadness is well advised?0 -
A later series on intra Scandi relations during the virus would be interesting. I'd imagine some reference to Swedish smugness getting its comeuppance would be unavoidable, if a little tasteless.Nigelb said:Welcome news for addicts of Euro-poli-drama:
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