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Novak Djokovic and Piers Corbyn?OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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Whatever you want me to do with it! (Xmas 2020, nine months from now).kinabalu said:
No it's fine. But it's my £20 to your £660. Wanted to make double sure you are OK with that sort of sum.Sandpit said:
I'm happy to bet with you, if you're happy to bet with me? A more fun bet paid to the site is fine, if £660 is too much.kinabalu said:
The one that got away. Ah well.Sandpit said:
Fair enough, hope someone matches you on Betfair than.kinabalu said:
But what if EYE win?Sandpit said:
It doesn't need to wash with "The Public", it needs to wash with 365 Tory MPs, more than half of whom need to vote against the government to trigger an election.kinabalu said:
That's some of my money wanting 42 there. I'll settle for 34 if you or anybody else is interested . If I get that I will consider it, win or lose, one of my very best value bets. The Dec 12th GE was fought for the right to govern the pre-corona UK. The country by this time next year will be a wholly different place. It will be unrecognizable. The measures required to raise and shape the "new" economy will benefit from a fresh and specific mandate. They will be almost impossible to implement otherwise. Of course the government may try to resist the pressure that they go to the polls and seek that mandate - "we won an election just over a year ago bla bla" - but I don't think such an attitude will wash with the public.Sandpit said:
What on Earth makes you think there will be a GE before the legally mandated date of May 2024?kinabalu said:
What is certain is that the parties will have very different proposals for dealing with the post-corona economy and public finances. This choice will (imo) have to be presented formally to the electorate. There will need to be an overt mandate for the sort of drastic measures which either side favours. So, a GE in 2021 or perhaps early 2022. I know everyone is sick of elections but there seems no way around it. Summer 2021 if I had to stick my neck out. If most people share your very high opinion of Sunak at that time, the Cons will no doubt win again. If not, Starmer and Labour probably get a go.nottingham1969 said:
True but as I can see long-term factors outside this government's control make this virus even worse for this country. Care homes are a long-term disaster and the general Health and education standards are not what most would desire, which can't help, we have 27% obesity, among older people much higher.kinabalu said:
But only the government team is playing the virus and the economic fallout.nottingham1969 said:
If the depth of talent and competence on the other side was so great then your prediction has a slight chance of coming true. The return of Edward and the worst voice in politics Reeves isn't likely to concern the government.kinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
The economic fallout can't be avoided but we do have a chancellor who so far appears very sharp for a modern politician. I salute the job retention scheme from idea to delivery. If this shutdown doesn't go on too long it will act as a great bridge for most.
Betfair offering 17 on a 2021 election, or 50 on 2020 if you're feeling really brave.
I'll stick with the 1.56 on 2024, which pays more than your savings account will over the next four years.
Just about the only thing I can see bringing down the government in the next 18 months, is an extension to the EU exit date leaving the UK responsible for hundreds of billions in EU bailout costs.
I'll have up to twenty quid of your 34 on 2020 if you like? If I win, you can donate my winnings to the PB hosting fund at Christmas.
That's £660 and you're in the Middle East. I'm not coming over there.
Let's think of a gentle and fair even money £20 bet to do instead. One that settles this year.
I'll revert with a proposal.
So if you win - which you will - I donate £20 on your behalf to PB Xmas 2021.
And if I win - which I just might - what happens then with the £660?0 -
To the readers of the Mail and to the ever dwindling readership of the Telegraph, the latter.RobD said:
Which headline do you think will generate more interest "government failings putting nhs workers at risk" or "labour's sexed up letter to the health minister"?OllyT said:
The Mail or Telegraph wouldn't hesitate to attack the letter if they thought they could get some political mileage out of it.RobD said:
Let's see if any paper picks up on how bollocks this letter is then. I predict it will be zero because the more sensational the story is, the more copies/clicks it generates.OllyT said:
Didn't stop them running endless positive Brexit stories or their daily sainted Katherine & William puff pieces.RobD said:
As if that would sell copies/clicksOllyT said:
hWy don't they run positive stories then?RobD said:
Because they need a story to justify themselves.OllyT said:"Rob D. "No, they have their story.
I am curious given that most of the press is anti Labour - Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Express, Times - why do you think that is?
Why is the Mail Online attacking the government's handling of this crisis on a daily basis? Their attack on Helen Whatley today was vitriolic.
Perhaps you don't want to see what's staring you in the face.
Why so negative on the government's performance in this crisis? As I said you just don't want to see what's staring you in the face.0 -
This graph hasn’t had the last four days updates added, so maybe the lagging deaths for the peak day aren’t there?Andy_Cooke said:
Well, according to Folkhälsomyndigheten, Sweden apparently had 106 deaths on the 9th of April and their scale on that graph doesn't go above 100, so something doesn't look right at first glance.isam said:Is this wrong?
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Na, it's a process story. The other seems more real.Mexicanpete said:
To the readers of the Mail and to the ever dwindling readership of the Telegraph, the latter.RobD said:
Which headline do you think will generate more interest "government failings putting nhs workers at risk" or "labour's sexed up letter to the health minister"?OllyT said:
The Mail or Telegraph wouldn't hesitate to attack the letter if they thought they could get some political mileage out of it.RobD said:
Let's see if any paper picks up on how bollocks this letter is then. I predict it will be zero because the more sensational the story is, the more copies/clicks it generates.OllyT said:
Didn't stop them running endless positive Brexit stories or their daily sainted Katherine & William puff pieces.RobD said:
As if that would sell copies/clicksOllyT said:
hWy don't they run positive stories then?RobD said:
Because they need a story to justify themselves.OllyT said:"Rob D. "No, they have their story.
I am curious given that most of the press is anti Labour - Mail, Sun, Telegraph, Express, Times - why do you think that is?
Why is the Mail Online attacking the government's handling of this crisis on a daily basis? Their attack on Helen Whatley today was vitriolic.
Perhaps you don't want to see what's staring you in the face.
Why so negative on the government's performance in this crisis? As I said you just don't want to see what's staring you in the face.0 -
Care home deaths are inevitable according to the CMO because people are coming and going ! Ignoring the fact that if carers had PPE then it wouldn’t be inevitable.0
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Why Djokovic? I thought he was one of the unlikely heroes of Covid-19.TheScreamingEagles said:
Novak Djokovic and Piers Corbyn?OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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Anyway the UK newspapers are often terrible.kamski said:
It's always someone else's faultSandpit said:
That will happen when the media will react calmly and with nuance, and not scream "FAILURE" or "U-TURN" in 150pt letters on the front pages.kamski said:The other thing that annoys me about these briefings is the way they always say Britain is doing things better, how wonderful everything British is. Are other countries' governments doing this? Trump of course...
Cant they be honest and just say yes some things have been better elsewhere and we're learning the lessons
But why say, as I just heard Raab say, "in other democracies when people see the army on the street they are worried, but British people feel reassured" it's so silly and unnecessary and what has it got to do with a coronavirus briefing0 -
Lobby hacks studiously avoiding questions to the military man!0
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@kamski @eristdoof did you see a change in attitude amongst the population in Germany once the discussions about weakening the lockdown started? Is that why the government here are so reluctant to discuss the lockdown perhaps?0
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11th of May for increased rail services is not a date that Raab recognizes.
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https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/full-novak-djokovic-statement-as-he-explains-anti-covid-19-vaccination-stance/Mexicanpete said:
Why Djokovic? I thought he was one of the unlikely heroes of Covid-19.TheScreamingEagles said:
Novak Djokovic and Piers Corbyn?OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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The Chinese didn't build 16 hospitals in Wuhan either.nico67 said:Raab already delivering misinformation. They did not build 7 new hospitals they used existing buildings and modified them .
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Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
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They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"4 -
Yes.isam said:Is this wrong?
Using information from https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige
(and the UK information from that useful cricketwyvern chap) (and using the same vertical scales as in the originally provided diagram at 8:1)
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Wait until it starts to end.FrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Then we'll be on:
"Have you exited lockdown too early?"3 -
I predict that will occur after it is announced, but before it is enacted.rottenborough said:
Wait until it starts to end.FrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Then we'll be on:
"Have you exited lockdown too early?"1 -
People shouldn't come and go then. Lock them down, staff sleep on the premises. Too late now, probably.nico67 said:Care home deaths are inevitable according to the CMO because people are coming and going ! Ignoring the fact that if carers had PPE then it wouldn’t be inevitable.
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Raab again talks about avoiding a 2nd spike.
Surely the COM bods are telling them that this is very very unlikely to be avoidable unless many more of us had have than they think.0 -
At least he didn't take his ipad to the toilet with the video on. I've seen that particular clip..TheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
At last a decent question from Stars and Stripes News.
How is it going at Porton Down on finding out how many of us have had it.0 -
A US newspaper no less.rottenborough said:At last a decent question from Stars and Stripes News.
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Who did that?RobD said:
At least he didn't take his ipad to the toilet with the video on. I've seen that particular clip..TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Actually, sorry that was a joke. She was from the UK equivalent whose name escaped me.RobD said:
A US newspaper no less.rottenborough said:At last a decent question from Stars and Stripes News.
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I dunno, it was just on a gif I saw doing the round on twitter.TheScreamingEagles said:
Who did that?RobD said:
At least he didn't take his ipad to the toilet with the video on. I've seen that particular clip..TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Oops, sorry!rottenborough said:
Actually, sorry that was a joke. She was from the UK equivalent whose name escaped me.RobD said:
A US newspaper no less.rottenborough said:At last a decent question from Stars and Stripes News.
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Why does this army chap keep saying drive thru testing is really innovative. I remember it being discussed before the UK lockdown started, presumably because it was already being done elsewhere at the time.0
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OK, great. I probably would pop over there.Sandpit said:
Whatever you want me to do with it! (Xmas 2020, nine months from now).kinabalu said:
No it's fine. But it's my £20 to your £660. Wanted to make double sure you are OK with that sort of sum.Sandpit said:
I'm happy to bet with you, if you're happy to bet with me? A more fun bet paid to the site is fine, if £660 is too much.kinabalu said:
The one that got away. Ah well.Sandpit said:
Fair enough, hope someone matches you on Betfair than.kinabalu said:
But what if EYE win?Sandpit said:
It doesn't need to wash with "The Public", it needs to wash with 365 Tory MPs, more than half of whom need to vote against the government to trigger an election.kinabalu said:
That's some of my money wanting 42 there. I'll settle for 34 if you or anybody else is interested . If I get that I will consider it, win or lose, one of my very best value bets. The Dec 12th GE was fought for the right to govern the pre-corona UK. The country by this time next year will be a wholly different place. It will be unrecognizable. The measures required to raise and shape the "new" economy will benefit from a fresh and specific mandate. They will be almost impossible to implement otherwise. Of course the government may try to resist the pressure that they go to the polls and seek that mandate - "we won an election just over a year ago bla bla" - but I don't think such an attitude will wash with the public.Sandpit said:
What on Earth makes you think there will be a GE before the legally mandated date of May 2024?kinabalu said:
What is certain is that the parties will have very different proposals for dealing with the post-corona economy and public finances. This choice will (imo) have to be presented formally to the electorate. There will need to be an overt mandate for the sort of drastic measures which either side favours. So, a GE in 2021 or perhaps early 2022. I know everyone is sick of elections but there seems no way around it. Summer 2021 if I had to stick my neck out. If most people share your very high opinion of Sunak at that time, the Cons will no doubt win again. If not, Starmer and Labour probably get a go.nottingham1969 said:
True but as I can see long-term factors outside this government's control make this virus even worse for this country. Care homes are a long-term disaster and the general Health and education standards are not what most would desire, which can't help, we have 27% obesity, among older people much higher.kinabalu said:
But only the government team is playing the virus and the economic fallout.nottingham1969 said:
If the depth of talent and competence on the other side was so great then your prediction has a slight chance of coming true. The return of Edward and the worst voice in politics Reeves isn't likely to concern the government.kinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
The economic fallout can't be avoided but we do have a chancellor who so far appears very sharp for a modern politician. I salute the job retention scheme from idea to delivery. If this shutdown doesn't go on too long it will act as a great bridge for most.
Betfair offering 17 on a 2021 election, or 50 on 2020 if you're feeling really brave.
I'll stick with the 1.56 on 2024, which pays more than your savings account will over the next four years.
Just about the only thing I can see bringing down the government in the next 18 months, is an extension to the EU exit date leaving the UK responsible for hundreds of billions in EU bailout costs.
I'll have up to twenty quid of your 34 on 2020 if you like? If I win, you can donate my winnings to the PB hosting fund at Christmas.
That's £660 and you're in the Middle East. I'm not coming over there.
Let's think of a gentle and fair even money £20 bet to do instead. One that settles this year.
I'll revert with a proposal.
So if you win - which you will - I donate £20 on your behalf to PB Xmas 2021.
And if I win - which I just might - what happens then with the £660?
So we are done!
My £20 vs your £660.
I win if there is a UK general election on or before 31 Dec 2021.
You win if there isn't.0 -
The press pack won't like that, asking a sensible question. That will have them removed from the WhatsApp group.rottenborough said:At last a decent question from Stars and Stripes News.
How is it going at Porton Down on finding out how many of us have had it.0 -
British Forces News.rottenborough said:
Actually, sorry that was a joke. She was from the UK equivalent whose name escaped me.RobD said:
A US newspaper no less.rottenborough said:At last a decent question from Stars and Stripes News.
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Well's that just bollocks. South Korea were doing it within days of getting up and running. And loads of countries doing it, even the US...but that is probably because they do everything drive-thru, from fast food to banking.noneoftheabove said:Why does this army chap keep saying drive thru testing is really innovative. I remember it being discussed before the UK lockdown started, presumably because it was already being done elsewhere at the time.
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I see the hacks have found the virtual background feature of zoom.0
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NB - Using the most recent data provided from both sources, as the Swedish source doesn't say what info they had at D+6, in order to be comparable between Sweden and UKAndy_Cooke said:
Yes.isam said:Is this wrong?
Using information from https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige
(and the UK information from that useful cricketwyvern chap) (and using the same vertical scales as in the originally provided diagram at 8:1)1 -
It also misses out a part of the UK which has decidedly mixed feelings about seeing the army on the street.kamski said:
Anyway the UK newspapers are often terrible.kamski said:
It's always someone else's faultSandpit said:
That will happen when the media will react calmly and with nuance, and not scream "FAILURE" or "U-TURN" in 150pt letters on the front pages.kamski said:The other thing that annoys me about these briefings is the way they always say Britain is doing things better, how wonderful everything British is. Are other countries' governments doing this? Trump of course...
Cant they be honest and just say yes some things have been better elsewhere and we're learning the lessons
But why say, as I just heard Raab say, "in other democracies when people see the army on the street they are worried, but British people feel reassured" it's so silly and unnecessary and what has it got to do with a coronavirus briefing
But that part of the world has been excised from the memories of the Raabsters of this world I daresay.0 -
Perhaps if they spent more time learning about science and stats....just saying like.RobD said:I see the hacks have found the virtual background feature of zoom.
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Was talking to some folk in a machine learning group yesterday - fairly intelligent bunch, well read, etc. Amazed to see resistance ....... Americans of course.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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https://twitter.com/phoenix4419/status/1252975322523410432?s=21Andy_Cooke said:
Yes.isam said:Is this wrong?
Using information from https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige
(and the UK information from that useful cricketwyvern chap) (and using the same vertical scales as in the originally provided diagram at 8:1)0 -
Possible. I’ve added a graph with the latest data as published today for the dates up to the 16th - both countries assume data more recent is suspect.isam said:
This graph hasn’t had the last four days updates added, so maybe the lagging deaths for the peak day aren’t there?Andy_Cooke said:
Well, according to Folkhälsomyndigheten, Sweden apparently had 106 deaths on the 9th of April and their scale on that graph doesn't go above 100, so something doesn't look right at first glance.isam said:Is this wrong?
I’ve also done it as bar graphs, which is better than spiky line graphs for discrete daily data. UK made translucent for ease of comparison.1 -
God, I stopped listening to the questions, but just turned it on...can you guarantee in some hypothetical scenario...lockdown end, lockdown, lockdown,....1
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Where has Norman smith been for the past 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Well, my data is straight from the Swedish statistical bods, and without any crafty smoothing but the deaths ascribed by each country to each day as of today’s data.isam said:
https://twitter.com/phoenix4419/status/1252975322523410432?s=21Andy_Cooke said:
Yes.isam said:Is this wrong?
Using information from https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige
(and the UK information from that useful cricketwyvern chap) (and using the same vertical scales as in the originally provided diagram at 8:1)
Which doesn’t look quite as similar as Mr Phoenix44 would like it to read, I think.0 -
Answer - When it is safe and we dont know when that is yet so stop asking the same stupid questionFrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Whitty just said no vaccine for at least a calendar year BTW0 -
May have a vaccine with proof of concept in less than a yearbigjohnowls said:
Answer - When it is safe and we dont know when that is yet so stop asking the same stupid questionFrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Whitty just said no vaccine for at least a calendar year BTW0 -
Given that I am higher risk, I'm probably not even going down the pub without one. So immediately, I'd sayBarnesian said:
I think I would wait a year to see what the longer term effects are.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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Which is huge. That means we definitely have to deal with at least a second wave. Not that most people didn't think that was the case, but this is chief egghead saying it.bigjohnowls said:
Answer - When it is safe and we dont know when that is yet so stop asking the same stupid questionFrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Whitty just said no vaccine for at least a calendar year BTW1 -
I'm higher risk too, which is why I wouldn't chance a new vaccine, that has been rushed through tests until longer term effects are known. Probably won't go to the pub either.JohnLilburne said:
Given that I am higher risk, I'm probably not even going down the pub without one. So immediately, I'd sayBarnesian said:
I think I would wait a year to see what the longer term effects are.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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Don't forget the antivirals... that can help manage future waves a lot better. The vaccine is one part of the puzzle, but only one part.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which is huge. That means we definitely have to deal with at least a second wave. Not that most people didn't think that was the case, but this is chief egghead saying it.bigjohnowls said:
Answer - When it is safe and we dont know when that is yet so stop asking the same stupid questionFrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Whitty just said no vaccine for at least a calendar year BTW0 -
Why is she talking about an empty podium?TheScreamingEagles said:1 -
Interesting given your attitude to Alpine holiday only a month or so ago.Barnesian said:
I'm higher risk too, which is why I wouldn't chance a new vaccine, that has been rushed through tests until longer term effects are known. Probably won't go the pub either.JohnLilburne said:
Given that I am higher risk, I'm probably not even going down the pub without one. So immediately, I'd sayBarnesian said:
I think I would wait a year to see what the longer term effects are.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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Sure. But no eradication, no vaccine, it does mean the government need to get arse in gear preparing. All the mistakes made this time around can not be repeated.ABZ said:
Don't forget the antivirals... that can help manage future waves a lot better. The vaccine is one part of the puzzle, but only one part.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which is huge. That means we definitely have to deal with at least a second wave. Not that most people didn't think that was the case, but this is chief egghead saying it.bigjohnowls said:
Answer - When it is safe and we dont know when that is yet so stop asking the same stupid questionFrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Whitty just said no vaccine for at least a calendar year BTW0 -
Or, 50% of us have had it already without noticing.ABZ said:
Don't forget the antivirals... that can help manage future waves a lot better. The vaccine is one part of the puzzle, but only one part.FrancisUrquhart said:
Which is huge. That means we definitely have to deal with at least a second wave. Not that most people didn't think that was the case, but this is chief egghead saying it.bigjohnowls said:
Answer - When it is safe and we dont know when that is yet so stop asking the same stupid questionFrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Whitty just said no vaccine for at least a calendar year BTW0 -
My wife and I have come to terms with being locked down for a long time and to be honest, at our age and vulnerability, we will be very wary even when lockdown is lifted and continuing maintaining safe spacingJohnLilburne said:
Given that I am higher risk, I'm probably not even going down the pub without one. So immediately, I'd sayBarnesian said:
I think I would wait a year to see what the longer term effects are.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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Yes. Also worth pondering who would get that (e.g., front-line medics / carers / those at higher risk). With smaller volumes it could still make a big difference.bigjohnowls said:
May have a vaccine with proof of concept in less than a yearbigjohnowls said:
Answer - When it is safe and we dont know when that is yet so stop asking the same stupid questionFrancisUrquhart said:
They are like the hosts out of Westworld, stuck on their loop.rottenborough said:Here we go.
"When will the lockdown end?"
Whitty just said no vaccine for at least a calendar year BTW1 -
Dazzle camouflage at work.Gallowgate said:
Why is she talking about an empty podium?TheScreamingEagles said:
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I’d get the vaccine in a heartbeat to be honest. Can’t stand the lockdown whatsoever.1
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My drinking in pubs days are numbered this year methinksBarnesian said:
I'm higher risk too, which is why I wouldn't chance a new vaccine, that has been rushed through tests until longer term effects are known. Probably won't go to the pub either.JohnLilburne said:
Given that I am higher risk, I'm probably not even going down the pub without one. So immediately, I'd sayBarnesian said:
I think I would wait a year to see what the longer term effects are.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
Although i am sat with a pint of Bacardi and Pepsi Max in my right hand as i post this with my left hand
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I wish someone would ask about vaccine manufacturing capacity. The last thing we need is for the Oxford team to come up with a valid vaccine in 6 months and have nowhere in the country to make it in mass quantities. Relying on the international market has proved to be unreliable. We need to be in charge of this step at home, even if it means giving GSK and Astra a massive load of cash to build vaccine production.2
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Betfair will reopen the next PM and Boris exit markets tomorrow. The ones it closed in case the PM carked it, as Boris would say.0
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Yeah, my bar manager son a bit despondent tonightbigjohnowls said:
My drinking in pubs days are numbered this year methinksBarnesian said:
I'm higher risk too, which is why I wouldn't chance a new vaccine, that has been rushed through tests until longer term effects are known. Probably won't go to the pub either.JohnLilburne said:
Given that I am higher risk, I'm probably not even going down the pub without one. So immediately, I'd sayBarnesian said:
I think I would wait a year to see what the longer term effects are.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
Although i am sat with a pint of Bacardi and Pepsi Max in my right hand as i post this with my left hand
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I was a bit despondent but the first pint of Bacardi and Coke seems to have lifted my spirits.Floater said:
Yeah, my bar manager son a bit despondent tonightbigjohnowls said:
My drinking in pubs days are numbered this year methinksBarnesian said:
I'm higher risk too, which is why I wouldn't chance a new vaccine, that has been rushed through tests until longer term effects are known. Probably won't go to the pub either.JohnLilburne said:
Given that I am higher risk, I'm probably not even going down the pub without one. So immediately, I'd sayBarnesian said:
I think I would wait a year to see what the longer term effects are.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
Although i am sat with a pint of Bacardi and Pepsi Max in my right hand as i post this with my left hand
Hic
Got my first Zoom meeting tomorrow.
Might experiment with how much alcohol can be consumed in a virtual CLP meeting!!1 -
I want to know about elective surgery. I’m due to re-attempt the surgery I was supposed to have at Christmas around August time. My surgeon assured me I will be prioritised as soon as things start returning to normal, whatever that means...0
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Surely not just staff, but it's new admissions too, coming from other elderly wards in hospitals. Granted, they need to be tested, but there's false negatives.nico67 said:Care home deaths are inevitable according to the CMO because people are coming and going ! Ignoring the fact that if carers had PPE then it wouldn’t be inevitable.
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Thanks.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.tennis365.com/atp-tour/full-novak-djokovic-statement-as-he-explains-anti-covid-19-vaccination-stance/Mexicanpete said:
Why Djokovic? I thought he was one of the unlikely heroes of Covid-19.TheScreamingEagles said:
Novak Djokovic and Piers Corbyn?OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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In other news I have 4 cans of, apparently delicious, Brewdog Clockwork Tangerine to try tonight.0
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Sounds like they need some science and logic learning before they attempt the machine kind.Andrew said:
Was talking to some folk in a machine learning group yesterday - fairly intelligent bunch, well read, etc. Amazed to see resistance ....... Americans of course.OllyT said:Out of interest do we have anyone who would refuse a properly tested Covid-19 vaccine if it became available?
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So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
Non starter for non drivers.
Under 16 in Cumbria told she had to go to Stansed for a test.
Fortunately local media interest in this latter case got her a more local test.0 -
Hard lockdown day today. No major issues, just heartily sick of it. I count myself lucky, but 😱.0
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Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground for two weeks.
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/0 -
Good news on the Bath Worcester story.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
Non starter for non drivers.
Under 16 in Cumbria told she had to go to Stansed for a test.
Fortunately local media interest in this latter case got her a more local test.
Testers in Worcester dont have to drive 80 miles to get a bath!0 -
BBC news 6.13pmFrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground,
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/0 -
Well I don't know where they are getting their info. The reason I know, a friend in Bath was sent yesterday.bigjohnowls said:
BBC news 6.13pmFrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground,
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/0 -
Too late BBC News says it's TRUE.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground for two weeks.
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/
Cant the Government get a retraction!0 -
Betfair reopens its next Tory leader, next PM and related markets 0900 tomorrow0
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If that is the case what on earth is going to happen when the furlough scheme ends at the end of June? Mass unemployment, businesses closed for good, fall in tax revenue.....?CarlottaVance said:0 -
The Evening standard ran a piece yesterday saying Oxford to Twickerham was 160 mile round trip....a quick google map shows that was horseshit too. And there was a closer centre.bigjohnowls said:
Too late BBC News says it's TRUE.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground for two weeks.
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/
Cant the Government get a retraction!0 -
Brewdog are on the shitlist. They fucked over a bunch of small suppliers to their pubs.Gallowgate said:In other news I have 4 cans of, apparently delicious, Brewdog Clockwork Tangerine to try tonight.
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Nearly there. Election before 31st Dec 2020 (nine months from now), not 2021.kinabalu said:
OK, great. I probably would pop over there.Sandpit said:
Whatever you want me to do with it! (Xmas 2020, nine months from now).kinabalu said:
No it's fine. But it's my £20 to your £660. Wanted to make double sure you are OK with that sort of sum.Sandpit said:
I'm happy to bet with you, if you're happy to bet with me? A more fun bet paid to the site is fine, if £660 is too much.kinabalu said:
The one that got away. Ah well.Sandpit said:
Fair enough, hope someone matches you on Betfair than.kinabalu said:
But what if EYE win?Sandpit said:
It doesn't need to wash with "The Public", it needs to wash with 365 Tory MPs, more than half of whom need to vote against the government to trigger an election.kinabalu said:
That's some of my money wanting 42 there. I'll settle for 34 if you or anybody else is interested . If I get that I will consider it, win or lose, one of my very best value bets. The Dec 12th GE was fought for the right to govern the pre-corona UK. The country by this time next year will be a wholly different place. It will be unrecognizable. The measures required to raise and shape the "new" economy will benefit from a fresh and specific mandate. They will be almost impossible to implement otherwise. Of course the government may try to resist the pressure that they go to the polls and seek that mandate - "we won an election just over a year ago bla bla" - but I don't think such an attitude will wash with the public.Sandpit said:
What on Earth makes you think there will be a GE before the legally mandated date of May 2024?kinabalu said:
What is certain is that the parties will have very different proposals for dealing with the post-corona economy and public finances. This choice will (imo) have to be presented formally to the electorate. There will need to be an overt mandate for the sort of drastic measures which either side favours. So, a GE in 2021 or perhaps early 2022. I know everyone is sick of elections but there seems no way around it. Summer 2021 if I had to stick my neck out. If most people share your very high opinion of Sunak at that time, the Cons will no doubt win again. If not, Starmer and Labour probably get a go.nottingham1969 said:
True but as I can see long-term factors outside this government's control make this virus even worse for this country. Care homes are a long-term disaster and the general Health and education standards are not what most would desire, which can't help, we have 27% obesity, among older people much higher.kinabalu said:
But only the government team is playing the virus and the economic fallout.nottingham1969 said:
If the depth of talent and competence on the other side was so great then your prediction has a slight chance of coming true. The return of Edward and the worst voice in politics Reeves isn't likely to concern the government.kinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
The economic fallout can't be avoided but we do have a chancellor who so far appears very sharp for a modern politician. I salute the job retention scheme from idea to delivery. If this shutdown doesn't go on too long it will act as a great bridge for most.
Betfair offering 17 on a 2021 election, or 50 on 2020 if you're feeling really brave.
I'll stick with the 1.56 on 2024, which pays more than your savings account will over the next four years.
Just about the only thing I can see bringing down the government in the next 18 months, is an extension to the EU exit date leaving the UK responsible for hundreds of billions in EU bailout costs.
I'll have up to twenty quid of your 34 on 2020 if you like? If I win, you can donate my winnings to the PB hosting fund at Christmas.
That's £660 and you're in the Middle East. I'm not coming over there.
Let's think of a gentle and fair even money £20 bet to do instead. One that settles this year.
I'll revert with a proposal.
So if you win - which you will - I donate £20 on your behalf to PB Xmas 2021.
And if I win - which I just might - what happens then with the £660?
So we are done!
My £20 vs your £660.
I win if there is a UK general election on or before 31 Dec 2021.
You win if there isn't.0 -
That's genuinely very surprising, given their brand is all "ethical punks" stuff.MaxPB said:
Brewdog are on the shitlist. They fucked over a bunch of small suppliers to their pubs.Gallowgate said:In other news I have 4 cans of, apparently delicious, Brewdog Clockwork Tangerine to try tonight.
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Some of their beer tastes like rebranded Special Brew.FrancisUrquhart said:
That's genuinely very surprising, given their brand is all "ethical punks" stuff.MaxPB said:
Brewdog are on the shitlist. They fucked over a bunch of small suppliers to their pubs.Gallowgate said:In other news I have 4 cans of, apparently delicious, Brewdog Clockwork Tangerine to try tonight.
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The issue isn't the nearest centre it's that people are being told to go to specific ones rather than their nearest one.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Evening standard ran a piece yesterday saying Oxford to Twickerham was 160 mile round trip....a quick google map shows that was horseshit too. And there was a closer centre.bigjohnowls said:
Too late BBC News says it's TRUE.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground for two weeks.
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/
Cant the Government get a retraction!0 -
I've had a few of those. Recently I've found that getting stuck in to something creative you enjoy helps a lot.Jonathan said:Hard lockdown day today. No major issues, just heartily sick of it. I count myself lucky, but 😱.
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Mass testing by then so they can start to reopenCyclefree said:
If that is the case what on earth is going to happen when the furlough scheme ends at the end of June? Mass unemployment, businesses closed for good, fall in tax revenue.....?CarlottaVance said:0 -
That’s going to be the difficult bit. There’s eventually going to be a limit to how much government can keep the exceptional support flowing, and when it ends there’s going to be a lot of people moving onto the much-less-generous standard unemployment benefit and universal credit systems.Cyclefree said:
If that is the case what on earth is going to happen when the furlough scheme ends at the end of June? Mass unemployment, businesses closed for good, fall in tax revenue.....?CarlottaVance said:
As was made clear at the press conference today by Dr Whitty, while the initial lockdown strategy was very much science-driven, the next phases become much more political in terms of the timing and decisions made.0 -
This Article from ITV South West yesterday seems to say the one at Bristol Airport isnt yet available.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground for two weeks.
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/
Has your friend been sent to that one?
Was it open?
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/0 -
No!Sandpit said:
Nearly there. Election before 31st Dec 2020 (nine months from now), not 2021.kinabalu said:
OK, great. I probably would pop over there.Sandpit said:
Whatever you want me to do with it! (Xmas 2020, nine months from now).kinabalu said:
No it's fine. But it's my £20 to your £660. Wanted to make double sure you are OK with that sort of sum.Sandpit said:
I'm happy to bet with you, if you're happy to bet with me? A more fun bet paid to the site is fine, if £660 is too much.kinabalu said:
The one that got away. Ah well.Sandpit said:
Fair enough, hope someone matches you on Betfair than.kinabalu said:
But what if EYE win?Sandpit said:
It doesn't need to wash with "The Public", it needs to wash with 365 Tory MPs, more than half of whom need to vote against the government to trigger an election.kinabalu said:
That's some of my money wanting 42 there. I'll settle for 34 if you or anybody else is interested . If I get that I will consider it, win or lose, one of my very best value bets. The Dec 12th GE was fought for the right to govern the pre-corona UK. The country by this time next year will be a wholly different place. It will be unrecognizable. The measures required to raise and shape the "new" economy will benefit from a fresh and specific mandate. They will be almost impossible to implement otherwise. Of course the government may try to resist the pressure that they go to the polls and seek that mandate - "we won an election just over a year ago bla bla" - but I don't think such an attitude will wash with the public.Sandpit said:
What on Earth makes you think there will be a GE before the legally mandated date of May 2024?kinabalu said:
What is certain is that the parties will have very different proposals for dealing with the post-corona economy and public finances. This choice will (imo) have to be presented formally to the electorate. There will need to be an overt mandate for the sort of drastic measures which either side favours. So, a GE in 2021 or perhaps early 2022. I know everyone is sick of elections but there seems no way around it. Summer 2021 if I had to stick my neck out. If most people share your very high opinion of Sunak at that time, the Cons will no doubt win again. If not, Starmer and Labour probably get a go.nottingham1969 said:
True but as I can see long-term factors outside this government's control make this virus even worse for this country. Care homes are a long-term disaster and the general Health and education standards are not what most would desire, which can't help, we have 27% obesity, among older people much higher.kinabalu said:
But only the government team is playing the virus and the economic fallout.nottingham1969 said:
If the depth of talent and competence on the other side was so great then your prediction has a slight chance of coming true. The return of Edward and the worst voice in politics Reeves isn't likely to concern the government.kinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
The economic fallout can't be avoided but we do have a chancellor who so far appears very sharp for a modern politician. I salute the job retention scheme from idea to delivery. If this shutdown doesn't go on too long it will act as a great bridge for most.
Betfair offering 17 on a 2021 election, or 50 on 2020 if you're feeling really brave.
I'll stick with the 1.56 on 2024, which pays more than your savings account will over the next four years.
Just about the only thing I can see bringing down the government in the next 18 months, is an extension to the EU exit date leaving the UK responsible for hundreds of billions in EU bailout costs.
I'll have up to twenty quid of your 34 on 2020 if you like? If I win, you can donate my winnings to the PB hosting fund at Christmas.
That's £660 and you're in the Middle East. I'm not coming over there.
Let's think of a gentle and fair even money £20 bet to do instead. One that settles this year.
I'll revert with a proposal.
So if you win - which you will - I donate £20 on your behalf to PB Xmas 2021.
And if I win - which I just might - what happens then with the £660?
So we are done!
My £20 vs your £660.
I win if there is a UK general election on or before 31 Dec 2021.
You win if there isn't.
The whole exchange has been about a 2021 election. Please check it back.
In fact if there is a 2020 one YOU win. I only win if it is in calendar year 2021.
So the "confirmation note" should be amended from "on or before 31 Dec 2021" to "in 2021".0 -
Just got word through, my company are set to furlough around 50% of the office, apparently I'm in the list. Everyone on 80% of salary, company topping up where £2500 isn't enough.
Life is about to get a lot more boring.0 -
Whoops. My old friend Vaughan Gething, making history as the first British politician to swear on an open mic during a virtual Parliament meeting (in Wales).
https://youtu.be/0Z_PYM0v9fo1 -
When do we think there will be cross-over from the media reporting issues around the virus to the media focussing on the economic consequences?Sandpit said:
That’s going to be the difficult bit. There’s eventually going to be a limit to how much government can keep the exceptional support flowing, and when it ends there’s going to be a lot of people moving onto the much-less-generous standard unemployment benefit and universal credit systems.Cyclefree said:
If that is the case what on earth is going to happen when the furlough scheme ends at the end of June? Mass unemployment, businesses closed for good, fall in tax revenue.....?CarlottaVance said:
As was made clear at the press conference today by Dr Whitty, while the initial lockdown strategy was very much science-driven, the next phases become much more political in terms of the timing and decisions made.0 -
2500 isnt enough. Ffs...MaxPB said:Just got word through, my company are set to furlough around 50% of the office, apparently I'm in the list. Everyone on 80% of salary, company topping up where £2500 isn't enough.
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I don't know which they went to. I just know they had a ding dong with their line manager about if they were eligible, then there was a load of pissing about with paperwork, nobody seeming to know who they needed to talk to and then all they said is they were heading off to Bristol to get it done.bigjohnowls said:
This Article from ITV South West yesterday seems to say the one at Bristol Airport isnt yet available.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground for two weeks.
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/
Has your friend been sent to that one?
Was it open?
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/1 -
FAKE NEWS!! Mr UrquartFrancisUrquhart said:
Well that isn't true for starters. There is a testing centre in Bristol.bigjohnowls said:So Health workers in Bath have to drive to Worcester to get a test.
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2020-04-21/coronavirus-test-centre-at-bristol-airport-for-key-workers/
And there has been a mobile one at the football ground for two weeks.
https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/news/covid-19-swab-testing-for-ubhw-trust-nhs-staff-at-ashton-gate/
Your slipping both the articles appear to contradict what you are saying
The Bristol Airport one isnt open yet
and the one at Ashton Gate is for staff of University Hospitals Bristol & Weston Trust NHS staff which does not cover Bath0
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