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After today's exchanges at PMQs it is clear that the United Kingdom now has a functioning, probing, measured, informed Official Opposition. The government will need to raise its game.
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Firsting...0
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Is it going to be PMQs matter/don't matter ping pong today?0
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I suspect lack of a rowdy audience will hurt Johnson more than Starmer.0
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Told you lawyers are awesome.0
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The one thing I do like unequivocally is the calmer empty chamber.
Starmer's first effort was competent, which is a massive step up from Corbyn; Raab was Raab.0 -
At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government2
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So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.
https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/
It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.1 -
We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.eadric said:This looks like a recipe for disaster
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21
And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.
Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic
Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.3 -
Good start from Starmer, in some respects resembles the late John Smith and his forensic questioning of John Major when he was Labour leader from 1992 until his premature death in 1994.
Smith was also a top lawyer and QC0 -
It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.FrancisUrquhart said:So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.
https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/
It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.0 -
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
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Hancock - "The effectiveness of test, track and trace to keep the reproductive rate of this virus down is determined by the incidence in the community and our goal is to get to a point where we can test, track and trace everybody who needs it."
No idea how they will be able to do that at the rate required.0 -
Another study (even acknowledging the current limitations of such testing) consistent with around 5% of populations having had the bug:
https://twitter.com/lapublichealth/status/12523262340774871071 -
I think the best thing for the government to do is run through the Labour list. If there's any companies that can help then thank them, and point out the ones that didn't meet the cut and the ones that are already in the supply chain.
It's one thing to say the government has had a bad few weeks on PPE and asking how that will be improved it's another to point score with a public list.4 -
Well I'm just a twat off the internet, and I have managed to debunk both the Telegraph and Guardian articles in 10 mins. And without even really looking at the Labour list, the top few companies mentioned are either total inappropriate chancers who run Call Centres or appear to already be supplying the NHS.Nigelb said:
It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.FrancisUrquhart said:So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.
https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/
It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.
Its not bloody rocket science....2 -
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maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.0 -
So they are at 50% in the polls and have a 80 seat majority and their collapse is predictedkinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
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Well you do doss around a lot on PB when you should be working.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well I'm just a twat off the internet, and I have managed to debunk both the Telegraph and Guardian articles in 10 mins. And without even really looking at the Labour list, the top few companies mentioned are either total inappropriate chancers who run Call Centres or appear to already be supplying the NHS.Nigelb said:
It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.FrancisUrquhart said:So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.
https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/
It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.
Its not bloody rocket science....
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O/T
"How EM Forster predicted our socially distanced world
The Machine Stops serves as a warning as to why we shouldn’t allow this to become the new normal.
ELLIOT LEAVY"
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/how-em-forster-predicted-our-socially-distanced-world/0 -
It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=201 -
665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..1
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I think that is going to be the case isn't it, just like Italy, Spain, France.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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I not sure Hancock has, either.FrancisUrquhart said:Hancock - "The effectiveness of test, track and trace to keep the reproductive rate of this virus down is determined by the incidence in the community and our goal is to get to a point where we can test, track and trace everybody who needs it."
No idea how they will be able to do that at the rate required.
Makes sense to me.MaxPB said:I think the best thing for the government to do is run through the Labour list. If there's any companies that can help then thank them, and point out the ones that didn't meet the cut and the ones that are already in the supply chain.
It's one thing to say the government has had a bad few weeks on PPE and asking how that will be improved it's another to point score with a public list.
The opposition is right to ask questions, but posing them in that manner, they ought to be sure of their own facts.
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Which does Labour no favours - don't make accusations that fall apart with only cursory investigation.Nigelb said:
It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.FrancisUrquhart said:So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.
https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/
It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.4 -
The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.FrancisUrquhart said:It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...
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Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?NerysHughes said:
The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.FrancisUrquhart said:It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...
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Even Jeremy used to have a “Barbara from Rochdale” example. Starmer couldn’t name a reputable company that had been ignored...eek said:Nigelb said:
It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.FrancisUrquhart said:So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.
https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/
It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.
Which does Labour no favours - don't make accusations that fall apart with only cursory investigation.0 -
24 hour news is the worst invention in TV history (other than Piers Morgan)RobD said:
Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?NerysHughes said:
The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.FrancisUrquhart said:It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=201 -
Which is why the media need to mostly shut up and think about quality of their output, more than the quantity of it.FrancisUrquhart said:It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20
How much government time is being wasted, that would better be deployed actually fighting the virus? But hey, it sells papers and generates clicks and likes, so who cares?1 -
Ms. Hughes, quite.
And if they weren't incompetent they could actually devote some attention to the care home situation, and do proper journalism, reporting reality.0 -
Raab is a lawyer, though despite the clear spindoctoring of his Wiki page he is clearly not of the same calibre as Starmer. In fact, to see how lightweight Raab is, it is astonishing he ever passed his law finals.TheScreamingEagles said:Told you lawyers are awesome.
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Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.TOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.2 -
Lots of discussion going on about management and leadership, for the obvious reasons. Here's a 15 minutes interview with one of the best and most successful corporate leaders in the UK. Utterly inspirational.
I wonder if, in the aftermath of everything that's going on right now, government should be taking (and acting on) advice from people like Toto?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8mGymE7bXo0 -
I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infectionseadric said:
Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawnAndy_JS said:
We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.eadric said:This looks like a recipe for disaster
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21
And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.
Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic
Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.
https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21
Meanwhile
https://twitter.com/woodfordindk/status/1252933058333982720?s=210 -
Can their health system cope?isam said:
I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infectionseadric said:
Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawnAndy_JS said:
We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.eadric said:This looks like a recipe for disaster
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21
And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.
Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic
Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.
https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21
Meanwhile
https://twitter.com/woodfordindk/status/1252933058333982720?s=210 -
I think when the public turn it will be swift. Dissatisfaction at the response to the virus could spread as fast as the virus itself. At an R0 of 3, that 50% poll rating is likely to be 25% in the space of a few weeks. But we will see. I could be wrong. If either Oxford or Imperial are successful this year with a UK authored vaccine, that will IMO make a material and positive difference to the government's prospects of survival.NerysHughes said:
So they are at 50% in the polls and have a 80 seat majority and their collapse is predictedkinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
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And, as I stated earlier today, this approach may actually be having the opposite effect. I have little incentive go out and collect the copy of the times I subscribe to. It's 100 yards in the wrong direction and I can't be arsed.eadric said:
But as I said yesterday, newspapers are struggling to survive, and some may go under because of this plague. Ad spend is through the floor, sales have been wiped out. What was already a precarious business is now nearly impossibleRobD said:
Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?NerysHughes said:
The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.FrancisUrquhart said:It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20
Hence, I think, these hysterical headlines. The papers are shouting at us, saying buy me, read me, click me, PLEASE1 -
I don’t think comparing Starmers first ‘best PM’ score vs Boris (-22) with Corbyns last score (-44) is right. Corbyn was a leader who had been thrashed in a GE, resigned, and was therefore never going to be PM at the time of that poll.
Maybe it’s best to compare with Corbyns first score, vs Cameron in 2015, which was -26
Opinium polls only1 -
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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I’d have thought so. They’ve loads of extra beds and only 5% of deaths have been under 60 years of ageeadric said:
NoRobD said:
Can their health system cope?isam said:
I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infectionseadric said:
Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawnAndy_JS said:
We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.eadric said:This looks like a recipe for disaster
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21
And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.
Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic
Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.
https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21
Meanwhile
https://twitter.com/woodfordindk/status/1252933058333982720?s=210 -
To which a huge number of people are simply switching off, realising that no matter what is being said and written, the government aren't actually doing too badly, the NHS isn't overwhelmed and there's been significant support for huge numbers of people directly affected. Not perfect, but has anyone's response been so?eadric said:
But as I said yesterday, newspapers are struggling to survive, and some may go under because of this plague. Ad spend is through the floor, sales have been wiped out. What was already a precarious business is now nearly impossibleRobD said:
Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?NerysHughes said:
The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.FrancisUrquhart said:It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...
https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20
Hence, I think, these hysterical headlines. The papers are shouting at us, saying buy me, read me, click me, PLEASE1 -
If the depth of talent and competence on the other side was so great then your prediction has a slight chance of coming true. The return of Edward and the worst voice in politics Reeves isn't likely to concern the government.kinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
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Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.3 -
I wouldn't read too much into today's outing. It was always going to be a lot easier bowling than batting today.
We don't yet know whether he's Starmerterial.9 -
Does anyone have the breakdown by age of U.K. covid cases?
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But only a few % of the population have it. Can they cope with the numbers in hospitals increasing by a factor of ten, or twenty?isam said:
I’d have thought so. They’ve loads of extra beds and only 5% of deaths have been under 60 years of ageeadric said:
NoRobD said:
Can their health system cope?isam said:
I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infectionseadric said:
Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawnAndy_JS said:
We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.eadric said:This looks like a recipe for disaster
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21
And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.
Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic
Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.
https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21
Meanwhile
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Well that, or we get a second wave...now if the government have morphed its response into something akin to Germany, I think they get benefit of the doubt. Global pandemic, fast moving, basically every country other than handful very badly hit (even Germany not in the same league as South Korea, but clearly ramping everything up with stereotypical German efficiency).kinabalu said:
I think when the public turn it will be swift. Dissatisfaction at the response to the virus could spread as fast as the virus itself. At an R0 of 3, that 50% poll rating is likely to be 25% in the space of a few weeks. But we will see. I could be wrong. If either Oxford or Imperial are successful this year with a UK authored vaccine, that will IMO make a material and positive difference to the government's prospects of survival.NerysHughes said:
So they are at 50% in the polls and have a 80 seat majority and their collapse is predictedkinabalu said:
Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.Nigel_Foremain said:At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
However, if there are repeats of the mistakes made now, be difficult not to see massive upheaval in the opinion polls which really sticks.0 -
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Perhaps those lads claiming Ireland is really part of the UK are right.
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On my favoured first 7 days by date of death there were 637 deaths on the 15th of April, up on the 14th.
Graph with the percentage increase/decrease vs 7 days ago:
This is for 7 days worth of cumulative reporting per date of death.
The simple line chart:
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And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.HYUFD said:
Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general electionTOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.0 -
From OGH's thread header:
One thing there wasn’t was theatrics. Starmer’s manner is very quiet and the sparely populated chamber meant there were no cheering backbenbers on either side.
PMQs has been quiet since Boris's team asked backbenchers to STFU but if this is seen as helping Starmer more than it helps the PM then I'm sure the decision can be revisited.
It would not surprise me if Boris goes back to the pre-Blair arrangement of two PMQs a week, so that KS gets only three questions to build a case.0 -
You're not Rush Limbaugh, you're Richard Nixon!nottingham1969 said:
Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.TOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.0 -
Indeed, I suspect Spain and the other countries that come out of lockdown first will be a great pointer for us.Sandpit said:
And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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Belgium talking about erasing restrictions next month, small shops, schools etc.
That seems ..... brave. You can understand when say Austria or Denmark does likewise, but Belgium's numbers are horrific.1 -
Johnson was beating Corbyn by 17 in the last Opinium before the GEisam said:I don’t think comparing Starmers first ‘best PM’ score vs Boris (-22) with Corbyns last score (-44) is right. Corbyn was a leader who had been thrashed in a GE, resigned, and was therefore never going to be PM at the time of that poll.
Maybe it’s best to compare with Corbyns first score, vs Cameron in 2015, which was -26
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It's that lengthy feedback loop that is going to make this thing awful.Sandpit said:
And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
By the time you know you've got a problem we will be 1 week into a very big problem (you're contagious a week before you know you are ill).2 -
Mr. Eagles, we must hope the scientists and politicians pay very close attention to what happens with such countries.0
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nottingham1969 said:
An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.HYUFD said:
Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general electionTOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.
In 2005 the Labour overall majority fell by 100 seats compared with 2001. A similar change next time would take us back to a Hung Parliament.nottingham1969 said:
An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.HYUFD said:
Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general electionTOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.0 -
The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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OK lads and lasses spread out.Andy_JS said:
We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.eadric said:This looks like a recipe for disaster
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21
https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21
And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.
Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic
Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.
(Sweden has a low population density of 22 inhabitants per square kilometre)2 -
I know banging this drum...but why the f##k weren't they doing this training 2 months ago? What's the worst that could have happened, wasted some money and squaddies time for a couple of days.
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1252911289132703744?s=200 -
Utter rubbish, Hague gained only 1 seat.nottingham1969 said:
An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.HYUFD said:
Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general electionTOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.
Howard and Neil Kinnock in 1992 gained the most seats of any opposition leader who failed to become PM in the last 50 years0 -
I think we're going to see several lockdowns over the next few years.eek said:
It's that lengthy feedback loop that is going to make this thing awful.Sandpit said:
And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
By the time you know you've got a problem we will be 1 week into a very big problem (you're contagious a week before you know you are ill).0 -
Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.0 -
Yes, our civil service are very good indeed, once they get the politicos out of the way.NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.1 -
Indeed. There's value in getting as much data as possible from countries that are ahead in their outbreak, in terms of what restrictions looked like (in practice as well as in theory) and how infection rates change as they are slowly lifted.TheScreamingEagles said:
Indeed, I suspect Spain and the other countries that come out of lockdown first will be a great pointer for us.Sandpit said:
And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
Obviously not all countries are the same in demographics, population density, behavioural characteristics, transport etc, but there will be some general points that can be drawn.
There will also be complicating factors such as Ramadan - I can't see any lifting of the draconian regulations in my part of the world for at least another month, if only to stop huge social Iftar groups forming.0 -
I am crushed! 12/12/2019 tells me Labour need to do a lot more than elect a more eloquent voice of previous mentality. Actions speak louder than words and so far it looks like Scouse Lenny and Prentice call the shots. Will Starmer be brave enough to take the raging Scouse bull by the horns like Blair. I think not, in that case Labour won't win.logical_song said:
You're not Rush Limbaugh, you're Richard Nixon!nottingham1969 said:
Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.TOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.0 -
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People have been saying the 8th was the peak for quite a whileMaxPB said:
The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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But then you've got bellendry from journalists screaming about we must exit the lockdown who don't understand science or the facts.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, we must hope the scientists and politicians pay very close attention to what happens with such countries.
I mean anyone who talks about Sweden and doesn't mention they have a de facto rather than a de jure lockdown can be safely ignored.6 -
Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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Doesn't that imply that the measures in place have reduces R0, but only to something just below 1? If they were really effective the decrease should be quite fast.MaxPB said:
The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/peter_from_putney said:
Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/peter_from_putney said:
Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
Then there are a number of academics on twitter that like to feed all the new data in and give decent updates on the actual situation, not the media incorrect overview.
e.g https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern0 -
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/peter_from_putney said:
Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
From here, the daily stats can be compiled with a bit of manual copying, pasting and vlookups.
To save you the time, 87% of deaths from today's figure was for the last 7 days, that compares to 80% yesterday and around 93% on average.0 -
I am not sure he is from SouthamptonMexicanpete said:
Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.
When people on Furlough get paid at the end of the month the Governments ratings will soar.0 -
Thank you.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/peter_from_putney said:
Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
Then there are a number of academics on twitter that like to feed all the new data in and give decent updates on the actual situation, not the media incorrect overview.
e.g https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern0 -
Who would be good as Labour leader then?nottingham1969 said:
Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.TOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.
Who has the best chance of GTTO next time?0 -
What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.Mexicanpete said:
Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.1 -
You don't hear a word about the schemes that are working well e.g. the food box deliveries, the volunteering scheme, etc.nottingham1969 said:
What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.Mexicanpete said:
Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.
There is no sign of civil unrest, there are no real shortages in the shops, internet has held up.2 -
Down from 2.7 to about 0.8. Which you could say IS quite effective.logical_song said:
Doesn't that imply that the measures in place have reduces R0, but only to something just below 1? If they were really effective the decrease should be quite fast.MaxPB said:
The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.TheScreamingEagles said:
Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.eadric said:
Coming down painfully slowly?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
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Huh? What do you mean by "pro rata"???nottingham1969 said:
An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.HYUFD said:
Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general electionTOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.
Howard gains = 32
Hague gains = 10 -
Ironically, I was talking to an *Algerian* taxi driver on the way back from the hospital yesterday.nottingham1969 said:
What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.Mexicanpete said:
Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.
We were talking about the news - he said he can tell when unemployment is going down in the country.
When it is not reported.1 -
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Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.
https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/12529503023339929620 -
Mr. Eagles, I think it's plausible our politicians and scientists could learn useful information and apply it in the UK.
I think it'd be verging on miraculous if the media started reporting competently, objectively, and in an intelligent way. Individual journalists may be sound, or not, but the widespread ignorance, scalp-hunting, and irresponsible shrieking alarm calls do not inspire confidence in the media as a class.
I've been saying this for years on here, but the biggest problem with UK politics is wretched political reporting. This crisis has only emphasised that point.1 -
Not a majority maybe but if he gets 270+ seats he could get in with the LDs and SNPnottingham1969 said:
I am crushed! 12/12/2019 tells me Labour need to do a lot more than elect a more eloquent voice of previous mentality. Actions speak louder than words and so far it looks like Scouse Lenny and Prentice call the shots. Will Starmer be brave enough to take the raging Scouse bull by the horns like Blair. I think not, in that case Labour won't win.logical_song said:
You're not Rush Limbaugh, you're Richard Nixon!nottingham1969 said:
Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.TOPPING said:on topic
maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.0 -
"Dogs being trained to find passengers with COVID-19 at airports
The Medical Detection Dogs charity says it hopes the dogs will be able to let medics know if a person needs to be tested or not.
Norman, Digby, Storm, Star, Jasper, Asher"
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dogs-being-trained-to-find-passengers-with-covid-19-at-airports-119769650 -
Looking at those charts from David Paton, hasn't the decline in UK deaths since 8 April been somewhat more marked than say in Spain, Italy or France, or am I simply clutching at straws here?peter_from_putney said:
Thank you.FrancisUrquhart said:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/peter_from_putney said:
Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?FrancisUrquhart said:665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
Then there are a number of academics on twitter that like to feed all the new data in and give decent updates on the actual situation, not the media incorrect overview.
e.g https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern0 -
'MSM' - that's what we used to call TV, Radio and Newspapers - Right?nottingham1969 said:
What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.Mexicanpete said:
Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.0 -
If they can't hit it with a big hammer I would be cautious about any squaddie performing any test on anyone.FrancisUrquhart said:I know banging this drum...but why the f##k weren't they doing this training 2 months ago? What's the worst that could have happened, wasted some money and squaddies time for a couple of days.
https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1252911289132703744?s=200 -
Just have to gob in a pot. Easy!Nigelb said:Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.
https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/12529503023339929620 -
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?TOPPING said:0 -
Exactly, which demonstrates they are biased and so not fit for purpose. We are heading the way of the US media, only we don't have as many great opinion sites such as this, as they do over the Atlantic to compensate.FrancisUrquhart said:
You don't hear a word about the schemes that are working well e.g. the food box deliveries, the volunteering scheme, etc.nottingham1969 said:
What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.Mexicanpete said:
Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?NerysHughes said:Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
It did not crash and was fast
It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
That is a fantastic effort by the Government.
There is no sign of civil unrest, there are no real shortages in the shops, internet has held up.1 -
Oh god...so all you need to do is spit in a pot. How come nobody tested this before, when they were actually devising the tests?Nigelb said:Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.
twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/12529503023339929620 -
The story is that the government have told a series of different stories about it, and when the head of the FCO stated the truth - that they politically chose not to - they forced a retraction. That the EU scheme hasn't delivered isn't the issue - the government's fear that it screwed up thats the story.eadric said:
Absolutely no one, bar a few drooling Remoaners, gives a tiny flying fucklet about this EU procurement story. It’s quintessential bubble material. Tittle tattle for eurogeeks.AlastairMeeks said:Stirring the pot:
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1252948748537397248?s=20
Testing, yes, care homes, yes, but whether or not the uk was on this or that Brussels committee which doesn’t seem to have done anything anyway....no.0 -
If correct - also much easier to get a good sample from saliva?Nigelb said:Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.
https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1252950302333992962
That might have a massive effect on the false negatives problem.0
