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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Andrew Neil’s right – Starmer’s first PMQs showed that the Govvernment is going to have to raise its game

After today's exchanges at PMQs it is clear that the United Kingdom now has a functioning, probing, measured, informed Official Opposition. The government will need to raise its game.

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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Firsting...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,498
    edited April 2020
    Is it going to be PMQs matter/don't matter ping pong today?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    I suspect lack of a rowdy audience will hurt Johnson more than Starmer.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Told you lawyers are awesome.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    The one thing I do like unequivocally is the calmer empty chamber.
    Starmer's first effort was competent, which is a massive step up from Corbyn; Raab was Raab.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited April 2020
    So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.

    https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/

    It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,602
    eadric said:

    This looks like a recipe for disaster

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21

    And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.

    Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic

    Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.

    We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    Good start from Starmer, in some respects resembles the late John Smith and his forensic questioning of John Major when he was Labour leader from 1992 until his premature death in 1994.

    Smith was also a top lawyer and QC
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.

    https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/

    It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.

    It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    Nigel_Foremain said:

    At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government

    Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    Hancock - "The effectiveness of test, track and trace to keep the reproductive rate of this virus down is determined by the incidence in the community and our goal is to get to a point where we can test, track and trace everybody who needs it."

    No idea how they will be able to do that at the rate required.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Another study (even acknowledging the current limitations of such testing) consistent with around 5% of populations having had the bug:

    https://twitter.com/lapublichealth/status/1252326234077487107
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    I think the best thing for the government to do is run through the Labour list. If there's any companies that can help then thank them, and point out the ones that didn't meet the cut and the ones that are already in the supply chain.

    It's one thing to say the government has had a bad few weeks on PPE and asking how that will be improved it's another to point score with a public list.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited April 2020
    Nigelb said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.

    https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/

    It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.

    It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.
    Well I'm just a twat off the internet, and I have managed to debunk both the Telegraph and Guardian articles in 10 mins. And without even really looking at the Labour list, the top few companies mentioned are either total inappropriate chancers who run Call Centres or appear to already be supplying the NHS.

    Its not bloody rocket science....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    edited April 2020
    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    kinabalu said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government

    Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.
    So they are at 50% in the polls and have a 80 seat majority and their collapse is predicted
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Nigelb said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.

    https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/

    It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.

    It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.
    Well I'm just a twat off the internet, and I have managed to debunk both the Telegraph and Guardian articles in 10 mins. And without even really looking at the Labour list, the top few companies mentioned are either total inappropriate chancers who run Call Centres or appear to already be supplying the NHS.

    Its not bloody rocket science....
    Well you do doss around a lot on PB when you should be working.


    :D
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,602
    O/T

    "How EM Forster predicted our socially distanced world
    The Machine Stops serves as a warning as to why we shouldn’t allow this to become the new normal.

    ELLIOT LEAVY"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/how-em-forster-predicted-our-socially-distanced-world/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited April 2020
    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    I think that is going to be the case isn't it, just like Italy, Spain, France.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Hancock - "The effectiveness of test, track and trace to keep the reproductive rate of this virus down is determined by the incidence in the community and our goal is to get to a point where we can test, track and trace everybody who needs it."

    No idea how they will be able to do that at the rate required.

    I not sure Hancock has, either.
    MaxPB said:

    I think the best thing for the government to do is run through the Labour list. If there's any companies that can help then thank them, and point out the ones that didn't meet the cut and the ones that are already in the supply chain.

    It's one thing to say the government has had a bad few weeks on PPE and asking how that will be improved it's another to point score with a public list.

    Makes sense to me.
    The opposition is right to ask questions, but posing them in that manner, they ought to be sure of their own facts.

  • eekeek Posts: 30,802
    edited April 2020
    Nigelb said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.

    https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/

    It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.

    It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.
    Which does Labour no favours - don't make accusations that fall apart with only cursory investigation.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20

    The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    NerysHughes said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20

    The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.
    Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    eek said:

    Nigelb said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    So the one legit medical company identified on Labour's hit list from the previous thread, reading the blog it seems like they have have been working their socks off and already delivered 10,000s of face shields.

    https://innoviamedical.com/protective-equipment-production-expands-globally/

    It might still be that the DoH ignored them and they went straight to NHS Trusts, but it appears they have had their face shields properly accredited and deployed.

    It's probably also fair to point out that the government has orders of magnitude more capacity to check all these companies than does Labour.

    Which does Labour no favours - don't make accusations that fall apart with only cursory investigation.
    Even Jeremy used to have a “Barbara from Rochdale” example. Starmer couldn’t name a reputable company that had been ignored...
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    RobD said:

    NerysHughes said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20

    The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.
    Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?
    24 hour news is the worst invention in TV history (other than Piers Morgan)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20

    Which is why the media need to mostly shut up and think about quality of their output, more than the quantity of it.

    How much government time is being wasted, that would better be deployed actually fighting the virus? But hey, it sells papers and generates clicks and likes, so who cares?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Ms. Hughes, quite.

    And if they weren't incompetent they could actually devote some attention to the care home situation, and do proper journalism, reporting reality.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Told you lawyers are awesome.

    Raab is a lawyer, though despite the clear spindoctoring of his Wiki page he is clearly not of the same calibre as Starmer. In fact, to see how lightweight Raab is, it is astonishing he ever passed his law finals.
  • nottingham1969nottingham1969 Posts: 45
    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    edited April 2020
    Lots of discussion going on about management and leadership, for the obvious reasons. Here's a 15 minutes interview with one of the best and most successful corporate leaders in the UK. Utterly inspirational.

    I wonder if, in the aftermath of everything that's going on right now, government should be taking (and acting on) advice from people like Toto?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8mGymE7bXo
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    eadric said:

    This looks like a recipe for disaster

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21

    And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.

    Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic

    Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.

    We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.
    Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawn

    https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21

    Meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/woodfordindk/status/1252933058333982720?s=21


    I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infections
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    isam said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    eadric said:

    This looks like a recipe for disaster

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21

    And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.

    Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic

    Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.

    We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.
    Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawn

    https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21

    Meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/woodfordindk/status/1252933058333982720?s=21


    I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infections
    Can their health system cope?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    NerysHughes said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government

    Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.
    So they are at 50% in the polls and have a 80 seat majority and their collapse is predicted
    I think when the public turn it will be swift. Dissatisfaction at the response to the virus could spread as fast as the virus itself. At an R0 of 3, that 50% poll rating is likely to be 25% in the space of a few weeks. But we will see. I could be wrong. If either Oxford or Imperial are successful this year with a UK authored vaccine, that will IMO make a material and positive difference to the government's prospects of survival.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,802
    eadric said:

    RobD said:

    NerysHughes said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20

    The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.
    Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?
    But as I said yesterday, newspapers are struggling to survive, and some may go under because of this plague. Ad spend is through the floor, sales have been wiped out. What was already a precarious business is now nearly impossible

    Hence, I think, these hysterical headlines. The papers are shouting at us, saying buy me, read me, click me, PLEASE
    And, as I stated earlier today, this approach may actually be having the opposite effect. I have little incentive go out and collect the copy of the times I subscribe to. It's 100 yards in the wrong direction and I can't be arsed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    edited April 2020
    I don’t think comparing Starmers first ‘best PM’ score vs Boris (-22) with Corbyns last score (-44) is right. Corbyn was a leader who had been thrashed in a GE, resigned, and was therefore never going to be PM at the time of that poll.

    Maybe it’s best to compare with Corbyns first score, vs Cameron in 2015, which was -26

    Opinium polls only
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    eadric said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    eadric said:

    This looks like a recipe for disaster

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21

    And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.

    Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic

    Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.

    We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.
    Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawn

    https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21

    Meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/woodfordindk/status/1252933058333982720?s=21


    I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infections
    Can their health system cope?
    No
    I’d have thought so. They’ve loads of extra beds and only 5% of deaths have been under 60 years of age
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    eadric said:

    RobD said:

    NerysHughes said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    It feels like the government are having to spend more time fighting Fake News than the virus...

    https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk/status/1252941371343765505?s=20

    The simple fact is that the media cannot cope with the fact that the NHS is coping so is just making stuff up. They were desperate for the ambulances queueing at A&E photos.
    Can you imagine how vastly difference this would have been without 24-hour news and social media? Calm, measured reporting, perhaps?
    But as I said yesterday, newspapers are struggling to survive, and some may go under because of this plague. Ad spend is through the floor, sales have been wiped out. What was already a precarious business is now nearly impossible

    Hence, I think, these hysterical headlines. The papers are shouting at us, saying buy me, read me, click me, PLEASE
    To which a huge number of people are simply switching off, realising that no matter what is being said and written, the government aren't actually doing too badly, the NHS isn't overwhelmed and there's been significant support for huge numbers of people directly affected. Not perfect, but has anyone's response been so?
  • nottingham1969nottingham1969 Posts: 45
    kinabalu said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government

    Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.
    If the depth of talent and competence on the other side was so great then your prediction has a slight chance of coming true. The return of Edward and the worst voice in politics Reeves isn't likely to concern the government.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    Does anyone have the breakdown by age of U.K. covid cases?

    Cases, not deaths
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    isam said:

    eadric said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    eadric said:

    Andy_JS said:

    eadric said:

    This looks like a recipe for disaster

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21

    And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.

    Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic

    Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.

    We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.
    Talking of Sweden, this is not a good sign for their model. They made some bold claims yesterday about herd immunity, now the claims are being withdrawn

    https://twitter.com/91an_karlsson/status/1252932921897476097?s=21

    Meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/woodfordindk/status/1252933058333982720?s=21


    I would have thought that Sweden want lots of infections
    Can their health system cope?
    No
    I’d have thought so. They’ve loads of extra beds and only 5% of deaths have been under 60 years of age
    But only a few % of the population have it. Can they cope with the numbers in hospitals increasing by a factor of ten, or twenty?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited April 2020
    kinabalu said:

    NerysHughes said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigel_Foremain said:

    At last a sensible and credible LoTO. I am looking forward to The Clown making a full recovery. I am also looking forward with glee to his lack of preparedness and "back of a fag packet" mentality being torn apart by one of the first leading politicians in some years to have held down a proper job. It is the first time in my life time that I am hoping for the collapse of a Conservative government

    Every chance. The majority is big but the depth of talent and competence is not. I think they might fall over in a heap before too long.
    So they are at 50% in the polls and have a 80 seat majority and their collapse is predicted
    I think when the public turn it will be swift. Dissatisfaction at the response to the virus could spread as fast as the virus itself. At an R0 of 3, that 50% poll rating is likely to be 25% in the space of a few weeks. But we will see. I could be wrong. If either Oxford or Imperial are successful this year with a UK authored vaccine, that will IMO make a material and positive difference to the government's prospects of survival.
    Well that, or we get a second wave...now if the government have morphed its response into something akin to Germany, I think they get benefit of the doubt. Global pandemic, fast moving, basically every country other than handful very badly hit (even Germany not in the same league as South Korea, but clearly ramping everything up with stereotypical German efficiency).

    However, if there are repeats of the mistakes made now, be difficult not to see massive upheaval in the opinion polls which really sticks.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Stirring the pot:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1252948748537397248?s=20
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,498
    Perhaps those lads claiming Ireland is really part of the UK are right.

    https://twitter.com/iainmacwhirter/status/1252948784193122305?s=20
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    On my favoured first 7 days by date of death there were 637 deaths on the 15th of April, up on the 14th.

    Graph with the percentage increase/decrease vs 7 days ago:




    This is for 7 days worth of cumulative reporting per date of death.

    The simple line chart:


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.
  • nottingham1969nottingham1969 Posts: 45
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
    An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern/status/1252950083022344193?s=20
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,009
    From OGH's thread header:
    One thing there wasn’t was theatrics. Starmer’s manner is very quiet and the sparely populated chamber meant there were no cheering backbenbers on either side.
    PMQs has been quiet since Boris's team asked backbenchers to STFU but if this is seen as helping Starmer more than it helps the PM then I'm sure the decision can be revisited.

    It would not surprise me if Boris goes back to the pre-Blair arrangement of two PMQs a week, so that KS gets only three questions to build a case.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,082
    nottingham1969 said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.
    You're not Rush Limbaugh, you're Richard Nixon!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    Sandpit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.
    Indeed, I suspect Spain and the other countries that come out of lockdown first will be a great pointer for us.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited April 2020
    Belgium talking about erasing restrictions next month, small shops, schools etc.

    That seems ..... brave. You can understand when say Austria or Denmark does likewise, but Belgium's numbers are horrific.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    isam said:

    I don’t think comparing Starmers first ‘best PM’ score vs Boris (-22) with Corbyns last score (-44) is right. Corbyn was a leader who had been thrashed in a GE, resigned, and was therefore never going to be PM at the time of that poll.

    Maybe it’s best to compare with Corbyns first score, vs Cameron in 2015, which was -26

    Opinium polls only

    Johnson was beating Corbyn by 17 in the last Opinium before the GE
  • eekeek Posts: 30,802
    Sandpit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.
    It's that lengthy feedback loop that is going to make this thing awful.

    By the time you know you've got a problem we will be 1 week into a very big problem (you're contagious a week before you know you are ill).
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Mr. Eagles, we must hope the scientists and politicians pay very close attention to what happens with such countries.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    nottingham1969 said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
    An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.
    nottingham1969 said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
    An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.
    In 2005 the Labour overall majority fell by 100 seats compared with 2001. A similar change next time would take us back to a Hung Parliament.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,082
    Andy_JS said:

    eadric said:

    This looks like a recipe for disaster

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252942143271964672?s=21

    https://twitter.com/bremaininspain/status/1252941214678204416?s=21

    And daily deaths are still flatlining in Spain. Nearly 500 today.

    Even as we navel-gaze, Europe might be walking into a new disaster. An easing of the lockdown. Another surge of the virus. A second, harder lockdown. Catastrophic

    Either that or we all gird our loins and get Swedish on this thing.

    We have to get Swedish. It's the only way. Allow the young and healthy to get herd immunity.
    OK lads and lasses spread out.
    (Sweden has a low population density of 22 inhabitants per square kilometre)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    I know banging this drum...but why the f##k weren't they doing this training 2 months ago? What's the worst that could have happened, wasted some money and squaddies time for a couple of days.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1252911289132703744?s=20
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    nottingham1969 said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
    An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.
    Utter rubbish, Hague gained only 1 seat.

    Howard and Neil Kinnock in 1992 gained the most seats of any opposition leader who failed to become PM in the last 50 years
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,022
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.
    It's that lengthy feedback loop that is going to make this thing awful.

    By the time you know you've got a problem we will be 1 week into a very big problem (you're contagious a week before you know you are ill).
    I think we're going to see several lockdowns over the next few years.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,379
    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,983
    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Yes, our civil service are very good indeed, once they get the politicos out of the way.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,097
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Sandpit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    And we won't know if we are going to get a big second wave from the ease of restrictions, until 2-4 weeks into it. Huge lagging factor.
    Indeed, I suspect Spain and the other countries that come out of lockdown first will be a great pointer for us.
    Indeed. There's value in getting as much data as possible from countries that are ahead in their outbreak, in terms of what restrictions looked like (in practice as well as in theory) and how infection rates change as they are slowly lifted.

    Obviously not all countries are the same in demographics, population density, behavioural characteristics, transport etc, but there will be some general points that can be drawn.

    There will also be complicating factors such as Ramadan - I can't see any lifting of the draconian regulations in my part of the world for at least another month, if only to stop huge social Iftar groups forming.
  • nottingham1969nottingham1969 Posts: 45
    logical_song said:

    nottingham1969 said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.
    You're not Rush Limbaugh, you're Richard Nixon!
    I am crushed! 12/12/2019 tells me Labour need to do a lot more than elect a more eloquent voice of previous mentality. Actions speak louder than words and so far it looks like Scouse Lenny and Prentice call the shots. Will Starmer be brave enough to take the raging Scouse bull by the horns like Blair. I think not, in that case Labour won't win.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,271
    ...
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.
    People have been saying the 8th was the peak for quite a while
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,082
    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.
    Doesn't that imply that the measures in place have reduces R0, but only to something just below 1? If they were really effective the decrease should be quite fast.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,971
    peter_from_putney said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?
    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

    ??
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited April 2020
    peter_from_putney said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?
    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

    Then there are a number of academics on twitter that like to feed all the new data in and give decent updates on the actual situation, not the media incorrect overview.

    e.g https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,378
    edited April 2020
    peter_from_putney said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?
    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

    From here, the daily stats can be compiled with a bit of manual copying, pasting and vlookups.

    To save you the time, 87% of deaths from today's figure was for the last 7 days, that compares to 80% yesterday and around 93% on average.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    Mexicanpete said:

    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?
    I am not sure he is from Southampton

    When people on Furlough get paid at the end of the month the Governments ratings will soar.
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?
    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

    Then there are a number of academics on twitter that like to feed all the new data in and give decent updates on the actual situation, not the media incorrect overview.

    e.g https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern
    Thank you.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    nottingham1969 said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.
    Who would be good as Labour leader then?

    Who has the best chance of GTTO next time?
  • nottingham1969nottingham1969 Posts: 45
    Mexicanpete said:

    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?
    What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited April 2020
    nottingham1969 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?
    What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.
    You don't hear a word about the schemes that are working well e.g. the food box deliveries, the volunteering scheme, etc.

    There is no sign of civil unrest, there are no real shortages in the shops, internet has held up.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,442
    edited April 2020
    logical_song said:

    MaxPB said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    eadric said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Coming down painfully slowly?
    Some of us have been banging on for a while that we won't know when we've passed the peak until 2-4 weeks after the peak.
    The specific day was the 8th, I think we can say that fairly confidently now. There has been a slow decrease since then.
    Doesn't that imply that the measures in place have reduces R0, but only to something just below 1? If they were really effective the decrease should be quite fast.
    Down from 2.7 to about 0.8. Which you could say IS quite effective.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,316
    nottingham1969 said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
    An extremely poor performance in the circumstances at the time. Pro rata worse than Hague's gain of 1.
    Huh? What do you mean by "pro rata"???

    Howard gains = 32
    Hague gains = 1
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,971
    nottingham1969 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?
    What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.
    Ironically, I was talking to an *Algerian* taxi driver on the way back from the hospital yesterday.

    We were talking about the news - he said he can tell when unemployment is going down in the country.

    When it is not reported.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
    Did he win the argument as well?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,668
    Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.

    https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1252950302333992962
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,776
    Mr. Eagles, I think it's plausible our politicians and scientists could learn useful information and apply it in the UK.

    I think it'd be verging on miraculous if the media started reporting competently, objectively, and in an intelligent way. Individual journalists may be sound, or not, but the widespread ignorance, scalp-hunting, and irresponsible shrieking alarm calls do not inspire confidence in the media as a class.

    I've been saying this for years on here, but the biggest problem with UK politics is wretched political reporting. This crisis has only emphasised that point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,198
    nottingham1969 said:

    logical_song said:

    nottingham1969 said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Yep Howard was a no-hoper from day one and Starmer is the same. Yes the MSM will get right behind him but the silent majority find their own news these days. Yes big problems lie ahead but bigger Unions is not the answer. When you look at the shadow picks where it really counts Chancellor and most important of all in future Education, telling who is chosen. Momentum may have been skinned but Scouse Lenny and Prentice are even more influential.
    You're not Rush Limbaugh, you're Richard Nixon!
    I am crushed! 12/12/2019 tells me Labour need to do a lot more than elect a more eloquent voice of previous mentality. Actions speak louder than words and so far it looks like Scouse Lenny and Prentice call the shots. Will Starmer be brave enough to take the raging Scouse bull by the horns like Blair. I think not, in that case Labour won't win.
    Not a majority maybe but if he gets 270+ seats he could get in with the LDs and SNP
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,602
    "Dogs being trained to find passengers with COVID-19 at airports
    The Medical Detection Dogs charity says it hopes the dogs will be able to let medics know if a person needs to be tested or not.

    Norman, Digby, Storm, Star, Jasper, Asher"

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-dogs-being-trained-to-find-passengers-with-covid-19-at-airports-11976965
  • peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,956
    peter_from_putney said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    peter_from_putney said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    665 new deaths in England. Again, quite a significant amount of back-dated deaths in there from many days / weeks ago..

    Where are you finding those past days' infection figures please?
    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

    Then there are a number of academics on twitter that like to feed all the new data in and give decent updates on the actual situation, not the media incorrect overview.

    e.g https://twitter.com/cricketwyvern
    Thank you.
    Looking at those charts from David Paton, hasn't the decline in UK deaths since 8 April been somewhat more marked than say in Spain, Italy or France, or am I simply clutching at straws here?
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,082
    nottingham1969 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?
    What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.
    'MSM' - that's what we used to call TV, Radio and Newspapers - Right?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,135
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I know banging this drum...but why the f##k weren't they doing this training 2 months ago? What's the worst that could have happened, wasted some money and squaddies time for a couple of days.

    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1252911289132703744?s=20

    If they can't hit it with a big hammer I would be cautious about any squaddie performing any test on anyone.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    Nigelb said:

    Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.

    https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1252950302333992962

    Just have to gob in a pot. Easy!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    TOPPING said:

    HYUFD said:

    TOPPING said:

    on topic

    maybe. Remember TBlair's fulsome praise for Michael Howard at what I believe was the latter's first PMQ's outing. Fat lot of good that did him.

    Michael Howard gained 32 seats from Labour at the 2005 general election
    Did he win the argument as well?
    Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
  • nottingham1969nottingham1969 Posts: 45
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    nottingham1969 said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    NerysHughes said:

    Well I was completely wrong about the Furlough application website.
    It did not crash and was fast
    It was very easy to use, we asked a question and got an answer within an hour.
    Our application has been accepted and we will get the money within a week.
    That is a fantastic effort by the Government.

    Are you Dominic Cummings by chance?
    What he says is very true. The new system is working very well. I have heard not a word of praise in the MSM. If it had crashed? A certain lack of balance in the media pervades, which only reduces their shredded credibility further.
    You don't hear a word about the schemes that are working well e.g. the food box deliveries, the volunteering scheme, etc.

    There is no sign of civil unrest, there are no real shortages in the shops, internet has held up.
    Exactly, which demonstrates they are biased and so not fit for purpose. We are heading the way of the US media, only we don't have as many great opinion sites such as this, as they do over the Atlantic to compensate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,197
    edited April 2020
    Nigelb said:

    Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.

    twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1252950302333992962

    Oh god...so all you need to do is spit in a pot. How come nobody tested this before, when they were actually devising the tests?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,655
    eadric said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Stirring the pot:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1252948748537397248?s=20

    Absolutely no one, bar a few drooling Remoaners, gives a tiny flying fucklet about this EU procurement story. It’s quintessential bubble material. Tittle tattle for eurogeeks.

    Testing, yes, care homes, yes, but whether or not the uk was on this or that Brussels committee which doesn’t seem to have done anything anyway....no.
    The story is that the government have told a series of different stories about it, and when the head of the FCO stated the truth - that they politically chose not to - they forced a retraction. That the EU scheme hasn't delivered isn't the issue - the government's fear that it screwed up thats the story.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,971
    Nigelb said:

    Ought to speed up testing procedures if acted on.

    https://twitter.com/AndyBiotech/status/1252950302333992962

    If correct - also much easier to get a good sample from saliva?

    That might have a massive effect on the false negatives problem.
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