More on the German mortality figures...much better testing in Germany, but....
The age profile for those who have tested positive in Germany is certainly much lower than in Italy: a median of 46-years-old as opposed to 63 in Italy.
On the other hand, German hospitals do not routinely test for the presence of coronavirus in patients who are dying or who have died of other diseases. Italy, by contrast, is performing posthumous coronavirus tests on patients whose deaths might otherwise have been attributed to other causes.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
Certainly some Salmond supporters already throwing expletives about Sturgeon around on a few Nat blogs like Wings as it was her Procurator Fiscal that charged him, cue the SNP Civil War
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.
My delivery driver from Sainsburys on Friday said their stores were packed full of product and they had no issue with getting product in, it was getting it to the shelves.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
To be fair you did predict it correctly
G, if you looked at the transcripts of the evidence it was glaringly clear as well. It was all flim flam.
He's right. We are nothing like two weeks behind Italy. Hence why people are now spouting BS like three weeks behind Italy. Italy's momentum two weeks ago was worse than ours now so the comparison is weak and void.
Whether or not we're two weeks behind Italy, his last tweet in that chain makes it very clear he's not just disagreeing with the concept, he actually doesn't understand it. He thinks that the fact that people having been saying "we're two weeks behind Italy" for several days running is inconsistent because shouldn't we be closer to catching up with them by now
A broken clock can be right twice a day. Hodges is a Muppet but it doesn't make him wrong.
The point of simsam's tweet is that it's a demonstration of how monumentally stupid Hodges is. Whether or not we're actually two weeks behind Italy is beside the point.
Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.
There are some minor problems with food production - e.g.there are trawlers not fishing because they can no longer sell their fish - but I haven't heard of anything more serious/widespread.
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
Excellent, thanks Foxy - I`ll keep your comments next to the device.
Their testimony was quite harrowing in parts - and not to have been believed will be very difficult.
However, Salmond is innocent and that's the end of it.
I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
Surely that's wrong. You are innocent and remain innocent until found otherwise.
Salmond entered and left the court an innocent man.
(Separately I think the "not proven" verdict highly unsatisfactory - either there was enough evidence to convict, or there wasn't - if there wasn't then "not guilty" is the appropriate verdict. "Not proven" just leaves plenty of ammunition for the "no smoke without fire" crew)
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
To be fair you did predict it correctly
G, if you looked at the transcripts of the evidence it was glaringly clear as well. It was all flim flam.
Salmond has been found innocent and I have nothing to add on that
However, I have no idea how the SNP manage what I expect will be a very real civil war in the organisation and I have no idea how this will damage the SNP in the general Scots populace
Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.
People are worried they'll be banned or restricted from going to the shops. And you can't get online deliveries for weeks.
It's no good the Government just calling those who go along to top up selfish hoarders.
People are worried about not being able to feed their families.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
To be fair you did predict it correctly
G, if you looked at the transcripts of the evidence it was glaringly clear as well. It was all flim flam.
Salmond has been found innocent and I have nothing to add on that
However, I have no idea how the SNP manage what I expect will be a very real civil war in the organisation and I have no idea how this will damage the SNP in the general Scots populace
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Their testimony was quite harrowing in parts - and not to have been believed will be very difficult.
However, Salmond is innocent and that's the end of it.
I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
Surely that's wrong. You are innocent and remain innocent until found otherwise.
Salmond entered and left the court an innocent man.
(Separately I think the "not proven" verdict highly unsatisfactory - either there was enough evidence to convict, or there wasn't - if there wasn't then "not guilty" is the appropriate verdict. "Not proven" just leaves plenty of ammunition for the "no smoke without fire" crew)
You're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.
Yes, you are - though that doesn`t necessarily coincide with the truth of the matter, which only Salmond/accusers can know.
On the food delivery, it looks to me to clearly be a supply issue. These huge supermarkets rely on just on time delivery and sale, they only order what they predict they will need based on customer numbers for that time of year - otherwise there is greater wastage and cost knock-ons.
On this they’ve been blindsided because demand has been so much higher that what the computer will have projected. There’s an argument to be had that they should have seen this coming but I guess at the times the orders were placed there was no certainty that we would be in the grip of Coronavirus panic given that up until a few weeks ago we were still talking in terms of containment.
Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.
My delivery driver from Sainsburys on Friday said their stores were packed full of product and they had no issue with getting product in, it was getting it to the shelves.
Sounds like a worker problem at store level and a driver one at delivery level.
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
To be fair you did predict it correctly
G, if you looked at the transcripts of the evidence it was glaringly clear as well. It was all flim flam.
Salmond has been found innocent and I have nothing to add on that
However, I have no idea how the SNP manage what I expect will be a very real civil war in the organisation and I have no idea how this will damage the SNP in the general Scots populace
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...
Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues. A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.
They should make it a crime to imitate a health or emergency worker for malicious purposes for the duration of this crisis. And this would count as malicious. If instead of just being turned away people were turned over to the police they would soon stop this shit.
I think it is already a crime to mislead people about your identity.
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Absolutely agree. The tip on oximeter, peak flow and digital thermometer came about a week before they all sold out.
I think we still all owe AndyJS a few barrels for that spreadsheet from the night of the referendum, too.
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...
Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues. A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.
They should make it a crime to imitate a health or emergency worker for malicious purposes for the duration of this crisis. And this would count as malicious. If instead of just being turned away people were turned over to the police they would soon stop this shit.
Very strange. I was relieved to find that my local supermarket in outer London seemed to be pretty normal this morning. No queue at the auto-checkouts, and nearly all items available on the shelves, including some toilet rolls (though no eggs).
Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.
People are worried they'll be banned or restricted from going to the shops. And you can't get online deliveries for weeks.
It's no good the Government just calling those who go along to top up selfish hoarders.
People are worried about not being able to feed their families.
Have there been supply problems in Italy? They have had a lockdown for a while now, so we might see some problems.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
To be fair you did predict it correctly
G, if you looked at the transcripts of the evidence it was glaringly clear as well. It was all flim flam.
Salmond has been found innocent and I have nothing to add on that
However, I have no idea how the SNP manage what I expect will be a very real civil war in the organisation and I have no idea how this will damage the SNP in the general Scots populace
Depends which side comes out on top
Will anyone come out on top
Not a good day for the SNP
Probably not the best choice of words under the circs...
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Thanks, but I am teetotal for the duration!
You've just said it: "For the duration". My wife used this phrase the other day. People used to use it in the war. I think that its use now is significant and telling.
Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-symptoms-smell-taste.html A mother who was infected with the coronavirus couldn’t smell her baby’s full diaper. Cooks who can usually name every spice in a restaurant dish can’t smell curry or garlic, and food tastes bland. Others say they can’t pick up the sweet scent of shampoo or the foul odor of kitty litter.
Anosmia, the loss of sense of smell, and ageusia, an accompanying diminished sense of taste, have emerged as peculiar telltale signs of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and possible markers of infection.
On Friday, British ear, nose and throat doctors, citing reports from colleagues around the world, called on adults who lose their senses of smell to isolate themselves for seven days, even if they have no other symptoms, to slow the disease’s spread. The published data is limited, but doctors are concerned enough to raise warnings.
“We really want to raise awareness that this is a sign of infection and that anyone who develops loss of sense of smell should self-isolate,” Prof. Claire Hopkins, president of the British Rhinological Society, wrote in an email. “It could contribute to slowing transmission and save lives.”
She and Nirmal Kumar, president of ENT UK, a group representing ear, nose and throat doctors in Britain, issued a joint statement urging health care workers to use personal protective equipment when treating any patients who have lost their senses of smell, and advised against performing nonessential sinus endoscopy procedures on anyone, because the virus replicates in the nose and the throat and an exam can prompt coughs or sneezes that expose the doctor to a high level of virus.
Two ear, nose and throat specialists in Britain who have been infected with the coronavirus are in critical condition, Dr. Hopkins said. Earlier reports from Wuhan, China, where the coronavirus first emerged, had warned that ear, nose and throat specialists as well as eye doctors were infected and dying in large numbers, Dr. Hopkins said.
The British physicians cited reports from other countries indicating that significant numbers of coronavirus patients experienced anosmia, saying that in South Korea, where testing has been widespread, 30 percent of 2,000 patients who tested positive experienced anosmia as their major presenting symptom (these were mild cases).
My mate said he had that symptom the morning before it was announced as one
Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.
People are worried they'll be banned or restricted from going to the shops. And you can't get online deliveries for weeks.
It's no good the Government just calling those who go along to top up selfish hoarders.
People are worried about not being able to feed their families.
Have there been supply problems in Italy? They have had a lockdown for a while now, so we might see some problems.
Just cycled through the empty streets to the opticians, who are shutting up shop for the forseeable (😊) this afternoon. I think yesterday’s madness has hit home, the park was almost empty, one or two people shuffling about on the pavement.
It reminded me of a Sunday from my childhood. Maybe Peter Hitchens has stockpiled them from the last 30 years and is releasing them in one big yahoo
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Thanks, but I am teetotal for the duration!
Likewise. It just seems sensible to be in the best health possible when this thing comes calling.
I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...
Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues. A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.
They should make it a crime to imitate a health or emergency worker for malicious purposes for the duration of this crisis. And this would count as malicious. If instead of just being turned away people were turned over to the police they would soon stop this shit.
Very strange. I was relieved to find that my local supermarket in outer London seemed to be pretty normal this morning. No queue at the auto-checkouts, and nearly all items available on the shelves, including some toilet rolls (though no eggs).
The local store has several trays of eggs in. I didn’t linger long enough to see what else they had that is in short supply.
I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...
Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues. A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.
They should make it a crime to imitate a health or emergency worker for malicious purposes for the duration of this crisis. And this would count as malicious. If instead of just being turned away people were turned over to the police they would soon stop this shit.
To be fair, is it to some degree communication issue, these people turned up not knowing it was select group happy hour, or one of the oldie GoldenHour? So they are not all selfish greedy bastards?
Alternativly, have they been brainwashed from birth? So they are there because although they have something to eat today, they want something else. That they don’t like not getting what they want. They are are pissed off when they see someone else getting what they wanted is how they have been conditioned from birth and through out socialisation as norm of their society?
I had an email from Sainsbury's which, If I understood it correctly, gives NHS workers access for 30 minutes from 7.30am, then pensioners are allowed in at 8 before the great unwashed at 9am. I'm all for prioritising NHS workers and pensioners, but this to me seems to lead to an inevitable overlap between the two (unless NHS workers are super speedy and all out by 8am) which is unfortunate given that NHS workers may be among the most likely to be infected (on the face of it, maybe not true if protective measures are good) and pensioners the most vulnerable if in contact with infected people.
Most US cases are in New York, Washington and California etc ie Democratic states, Trump states like West Virginia and Montana have had fewer cases with a few exceptions like Florida. Perhaps that is driving Trump's thinking ie go for herd immunity beyind the elderly and vulnerable after 15 days federally and let Democratic governors and legislatures deal with the higher than average problems in their states.
That would be an idiotic approach, even for Trump.
Herd immunity in California or NYC does not protect Indiana, that requires herd immunity locally in Indiana.
Is there a clear definition of herd immunity? When exactly does it set in? When the last infectious carrier on planet earth has either died or completely healed? Is California ever safe while Indiana still has it, or Montenegro, or Myanmar? How long does immunity persist in the individual? Can it be inherited? Is herd immunity ever a reliable protection?
If anyone gives an exact number it should be treated as soft cut off. There is no sharp change point, rather there is a gradual change over in the efficacy of herd immunity. Like being overweight, it is possible to define "overweight" as a BMI of over 25 but that is just a convention chosen by people rather than something specific to biology.
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Thanks, but I am teetotal for the duration!
Likewise. It just seems sensible to be in the best health possible when this thing comes calling.
Me too...
Though I note that the empty shelves syndrome seems to have affected supermarket booze, too. The guy in front of me on Saturday seemed to have filled his trolley with most of what remained.
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Thanks, but I am teetotal for the duration!
Likewise. It just seems sensible to be in the best health possible when this thing comes calling.
Me too...
Though I note that the empty shelves syndrome seems to have affected supermarket booze, too. The guy in front of me on Saturday seemed to have filled his trolley with most of what remained.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
Not proven isn't innocent, Malc. Can't see him as white as the driven snow. Or something like that.
Wiki:
not proven is interpreted as indicating that the jury or judge, respectively, is not convinced of the innocence of the accused; in fact, they may be morally convinced that the accused is guilty, but do not find the proofs sufficient for a conviction. One reason for this is the rule that in such cases the evidence for the prosecution must be corroborated in order to permit a conviction. Thus, there might be a single plaintiff or witness for the prosecution, which the jury or judge believes is both truthful and trustworthy, but no other witness or circumstances against the accused. By Scottish law, the accused then should be acquitted, but often will be so by the verdict not proven.
This charge was the only one which the Crown had any one to attest to the complainant's state of mind after the event. One more witness before lunch – another civil servant who says he met Woman F after the alleged incident. He says she seemed “stressed, uncertain about what to say about it, and distressed and not herself”.
This may have convinced a few jurors to press for the Not Proven verdict.
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Thanks, but I am teetotal for the duration!
Likewise. It just seems sensible to be in the best health possible when this thing comes calling.
Sod that.
Booze is probably the only thing that will get me through the depression and boredom of self-isolation.
Their testimony was quite harrowing in parts - and not to have been believed will be very difficult.
However, Salmond is innocent and that's the end of it.
I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
Surely that's wrong. You are innocent and remain innocent until found otherwise.
Salmond entered and left the court an innocent man.
(Separately I think the "not proven" verdict highly unsatisfactory - either there was enough evidence to convict, or there wasn't - if there wasn't then "not guilty" is the appropriate verdict. "Not proven" just leaves plenty of ammunition for the "no smoke without fire" crew)
You're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.
Yes, you are - though that doesn`t necessarily coincide with the truth of the matter, which only Salmond/accusers can know.
Their testimony was quite harrowing in parts - and not to have been believed will be very difficult.
However, Salmond is innocent and that's the end of it.
I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
Surely that's wrong. You are innocent and remain innocent until found otherwise.
Salmond entered and left the court an innocent man.
(Separately I think the "not proven" verdict highly unsatisfactory - either there was enough evidence to convict, or there wasn't - if there wasn't then "not guilty" is the appropriate verdict. "Not proven" just leaves plenty of ammunition for the "no smoke without fire" crew)
You're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.
Yes, you are - though that doesn`t necessarily coincide with the truth of the matter, which only Salmond/accusers can know.
You saying the legal system and jury were wrong then. The side telling the truth won the case.
I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...
Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues. A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.
They should make it a crime to imitate a health or emergency worker for malicious purposes for the duration of this crisis. And this would count as malicious. If instead of just being turned away people were turned over to the police they would soon stop this shit.
To be fair, is it to some degree communication issue, these people turned up not knowing it was select group happy hour, or one of the oldie GoldenHour? So they are not all selfish greedy bastards?
Alternativly, have they been brainwashed from birth? So they are there because although they have something to eat today, they want something else. That they don’t like not getting what they want. They are are pissed off when they see someone else getting what they wanted is how they have been conditioned from birth and through out socialisation as norm of their society?
I had an email from Sainsbury's which, If I understood it correctly, gives NHS workers access for 30 minutes from 7.30am, then pensioners are allowed in at 8 before the great unwashed at 9am. I'm all for prioritising NHS workers and pensioners, but this to me seems to lead to an inevitable overlap between the two (unless NHS workers are super speedy and all out by 8am) which is unfortunate given that NHS workers may be among the most likely to be infected (on the face of it, maybe not true if protective measures are good) and pensioners the most vulnerable if in contact with infected people.
My local supermarket today had a strict maximum of 70 customers be in the shop at a time and was enforcing it. It is a moderately large supermarket so 70 customers felt "spacious" once inside. There was a queue outside with 2m separation and one security guard was counting customers out and another was letting 10 in at a time when told by the other one that it was safe.
Their testimony was quite harrowing in parts - and not to have been believed will be very difficult.
However, Salmond is innocent and that's the end of it.
I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
Surely that's wrong. You are innocent and remain innocent until found otherwise.
Salmond entered and left the court an innocent man.
(Separately I think the "not proven" verdict highly unsatisfactory - either there was enough evidence to convict, or there wasn't - if there wasn't then "not guilty" is the appropriate verdict. "Not proven" just leaves plenty of ammunition for the "no smoke without fire" crew)
You're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.
Yes, you are - though that doesn`t necessarily coincide with the truth of the matter, which only Salmond/accusers can know.
Their testimony was quite harrowing in parts - and not to have been believed will be very difficult.
However, Salmond is innocent and that's the end of it.
I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
Surely that's wrong. You are innocent and remain innocent until found otherwise.
Salmond entered and left the court an innocent man.
(Separately I think the "not proven" verdict highly unsatisfactory - either there was enough evidence to convict, or there wasn't - if there wasn't then "not guilty" is the appropriate verdict. "Not proven" just leaves plenty of ammunition for the "no smoke without fire" crew)
You're presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.
Yes, you are - though that doesn`t necessarily coincide with the truth of the matter, which only Salmond/accusers can know.
You saying the legal system and jury were wrong then. The side telling the truth won the case.
No - evidence was insufficient - I`m pleased with the not guilty verdict.
He could have course still have done it. That`s between him and his God.
Most US cases are in New York, Washington and California etc ie Democratic states, Trump states like West Virginia and Montana have had fewer cases with a few exceptions like Florida. Perhaps that is driving Trump's thinking ie go for herd immunity beyind the elderly and vulnerable after 15 days federally and let Democratic governors and legislatures deal with the higher than average problems in their states.
That would be an idiotic approach, even for Trump.
Herd immunity in California or NYC does not protect Indiana, that requires herd immunity locally in Indiana.
Is there a clear definition of herd immunity? When exactly does it set in? When the last infectious carrier on planet earth has either died or completely healed? Is California ever safe while Indiana still has it, or Montenegro, or Myanmar? How long does immunity persist in the individual? Can it be inherited? Is herd immunity ever a reliable protection?
If anyone gives an exact number it should be treated as soft cut off. There is no sharp change point, rather there is a gradual change over in the efficacy of herd immunity. Like being overweight, it is possible to define "overweight" as a BMI of over 25 but that is just a convention chosen by people rather than something specific to biology.
I'm aware of all that. I guess the point I was trying to make was that 'herd immunity' is neither a steady state, nor a singular event, but a process that sets in at some point and only gradually begins to provide reliable protection in its later stages, and then ultimately, once the last carrier has died out or completely healed.
Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
Not proven isn't innocent, Malc. Can't see him as white as the driven snow. Or something like that.
Wiki:
not proven is interpreted as indicating that the jury or judge, respectively, is not convinced of the innocence of the accused; in fact, they may be morally convinced that the accused is guilty, but do not find the proofs sufficient for a conviction. One reason for this is the rule that in such cases the evidence for the prosecution must be corroborated in order to permit a conviction. Thus, there might be a single plaintiff or witness for the prosecution, which the jury or judge believes is both truthful and trustworthy, but no other witness or circumstances against the accused. By Scottish law, the accused then should be acquitted, but often will be so by the verdict not proven.
This charge was the only one which the Crown had any one to attest to the complainant's state of mind after the event. One more witness before lunch – another civil servant who says he met Woman F after the alleged incident. He says she seemed “stressed, uncertain about what to say about it, and distressed and not herself”.
This may have convinced a few jurors to press for the Not Proven verdict.
Unionists clutching at straws big time, usual suspects.
It really ought not to be. If there are multiple women making allegations against an individual it is only right that they are investigated and if deemed appropriate prosecuted. Just because the jury said not guilty/not proven doesn't mean that it was wrong that the cases were brought to trial.
Fact that they were in Whatsapp groups together to discuss stories, all high up in SNP etc, it was very obvious what was going on.
Well, if what your alleging is the case, there will be further legal action to come.
It was stated in the evidence from the court that 6 of them were in a Whatsapp group discussing the allegations.
More on the German mortality figures...much better testing in Germany, but....
The age profile for those who have tested positive in Germany is certainly much lower than in Italy: a median of 46-years-old as opposed to 63 in Italy.
On the other hand, German hospitals do not routinely test for the presence of coronavirus in patients who are dying or who have died of other diseases. Italy, by contrast, is performing posthumous coronavirus tests on patients whose deaths might otherwise have been attributed to other causes.
I'm sorry, but those are numbers are incorrect. @HYUFD has assured us that the Italians who got CV-19 were young.
If Italy is doing tests on those whose deaths might be attributable to other causes, yes their median age of catching Covid 19 will be recorded as higher. You are more likely to die of Covid related disease if you are older, you are not any more likely to catch Covid 19 if you are older without precautions than if you are younger
Come on, that makes no sense. Post-mortem testing in Italy is not the reason for the lower age of confirmed cases in Germany. Even the total number of deaths in Italy is less than 10% of total confirmed cases, and I doubt that a very high proportion of Covid-19 deaths in Italy are people tested post-mortem.
Additionally, the Italians had more reason to test post-mortem as they had an undetected out of control epidemic, up to now the numbers of Germans dying with undetected Covid-19 is probably tiny, certainly not enough if they were included to increase the average age of confirmed German cases by any appreciable amount.
I suspect the reason is mainly because the Italians focused tests on people with the worst symptoms, I imagine in Germany more tests have been done on people with less severe symptoms ie younger people. There are also different social habits - younger Germans have less daily contact with old relatives than Italians, so it makes sense that it would spread faster to older people in Italy, assuming younger people tend to get it first
congratulations to OHG on reaching his 16th birthday. Haven't managed to post much over the past 3 years, due to having been politically quite busy, but I see from the volume of comments that I am not the only person who is finding they have time to do things they don't usually have time to do. On Salmond, I have no idea whether he did anything or not, but I do think that in general courts need to get smarter on understanding how victims behave, which isn't always how you might think. Different but connected, loads of people faced with victims of domestic abuse simply say "but why didn't they leave", which just doesn't take account of how this stuff affects people. Perpetrators are extremely convincing when they cover up, or explain their behaviour to others, undermining their victims, especially in the family courts, where magistrates tend not to understand the complexity of the issues. Quite possibly this is because the perpetrators genuinely do not think they have done anything wrong. Again, not saying anything about Salmond and guilt and innocence, but I know a LOT of women who have experienced sexual assaults of one kind or another and have never reported it to anyone, because they are too frightened of being publicly shamed and/or don't think anyone will believe them, or don't think anything will happen, or don't want to have to re-live it. Me included, btw.
1. Even in lockdown people will be allowed to shop. Indeed in Spain its one of the only reasons to be allowed out. We will see a lot of people shopping a lot in lockdown 2. There is not as yet shortage of products in the entire supply chain - we haven't run out of bog rolls. What we have is a supply chain that can move a finite amount of product every night - a relatively inflexible number of pallet footprints available per store per day. Stock may well be in a warehouse somewhere unable to be dropped to stores in sufficient quantities. 3. Morrisons have a nightly high-level logistics meeting discussing what stock goes to where leaving who short. The other multiple grocers will be doing a similar exercise. I can go onto one of their stock systems now and check how much of the lines we produce they have at store and distribution centre level. They can both have stock and be out of stock in some stores simultaneously if the stock isn't uniformly distributed or demand isn't even across all stores. 4. These retailers were set up to operate on an acceptable level of off-sales. As an example Sainsbury's are content with 89% availability from shelf for fresh produce - 11% of all lines can be off-sale and that is ok. Store systems only reorder when stock is really low often with a delivery the following night merched the day after that arrangement. A sudden surge in sales can leave the store out of stock completely for half the week. 5. Fresh produce will undoubtedly become very tight from a stock perspective. You can't keep large buffer stocks in depots on short life stuff, and what buffer they had will already have been sold. Which explains the wholescale shortages in big supermarkets and why my local farm shop is the busiest I have ever seen it.
There will be *some* things to buy. Just won't be what people want. Ironically the closure of restaurants and especially fast food will be a run on stuff like frozen pizza and ready meals. I used to work for one of the major ready meal manufacturers, their big problem is available labour, and thats at the best of times...
Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
Assuming accurate readings (warm hands, no nail polish etc) be concerned if SPo2 93% or below, despite deep breathing, pulse over 100 or respiratory rate over 30 breaths per minute.
Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
At the post coronavirus meet-up, we all owe you several drinks, at the very least.
Thanks, but I am teetotal for the duration!
Likewise. It just seems sensible to be in the best health possible when this thing comes calling.
Sod that.
Booze is probably the only thing that will get me through the depression and boredom of self-isolation.
I think that's fair – what are people supposed to do for entertainment? They can't see their friends, go anywhere, do anything much at all. Walks in the countryside are still okay but the government might put an end to those too.
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Perfusion index is more complicated to interpret, but a reducing perfusion index from baseline is a sign of worsening circulation.
However, I have no idea how the SNP manage what I expect will be a very real civil war in the organisation and I have no idea how this will damage the SNP in the general Scots populace
It's no good the Government just calling those who go along to top up selfish hoarders.
People are worried about not being able to feed their families.
On this they’ve been blindsided because demand has been so much higher that what the computer will have projected. There’s an argument to be had that they should have seen this coming but I guess at the times the orders were placed there was no certainty that we would be in the grip of Coronavirus panic given that up until a few weeks ago we were still talking in terms of containment.
Not a good day for the SNP
I think we still all owe AndyJS a few barrels for that spreadsheet from the night of the referendum, too.
This thing won't go on forever, surely ?
It reminded me of a Sunday from my childhood. Maybe Peter Hitchens has stockpiled them from the last 30 years and is releasing them in one big yahoo
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2238186-uks-scientific-advice-on-coronavirus-is-a-cause-for-concern/?utm_campaign=RSS|NSNS&utm_source=NSNS&utm_medium=RSS&utm_content=news
Though I note that the empty shelves syndrome seems to have affected supermarket booze, too. The guy in front of me on Saturday seemed to have filled his trolley with most of what remained.
Though I note that the empty shelves syndrome seems to have affected supermarket booze, too. The guy in front of me on Saturday seemed to have filled his trolley with most of what remained.
One more witness before lunch – another civil servant who says he met Woman F after the alleged incident. He says she seemed “stressed, uncertain about what to say about it, and distressed and not herself”.
This may have convinced a few jurors to press for the Not Proven verdict.
Booze is probably the only thing that will get me through the depression and boredom of self-isolation.
Thread dismissed
He could have course still have done it. That`s between him and his God.
I guess the point I was trying to make was that 'herd immunity' is neither a steady state, nor a singular event, but a process that sets in at some point and only gradually begins to provide reliable protection in its later stages, and then ultimately, once the last carrier has died out or completely healed.
Additionally, the Italians had more reason to test post-mortem as they had an undetected out of control epidemic, up to now the numbers of Germans dying with undetected Covid-19 is probably tiny, certainly not enough if they were included to increase the average age of confirmed German cases by any appreciable amount.
I suspect the reason is mainly because the Italians focused tests on people with the worst symptoms, I imagine in Germany more tests have been done on people with less severe symptoms ie younger people. There are also different social habits - younger Germans have less daily contact with old relatives than Italians, so it makes sense that it would spread faster to older people in Italy, assuming younger people tend to get it first
Haven't managed to post much over the past 3 years, due to having been politically quite busy, but I see from the volume of comments that I am not the only person who is finding they have time to do things they don't usually have time to do.
On Salmond, I have no idea whether he did anything or not, but I do think that in general courts need to get smarter on understanding how victims behave, which isn't always how you might think. Different but connected, loads of people faced with victims of domestic abuse simply say "but why didn't they leave", which just doesn't take account of how this stuff affects people. Perpetrators are extremely convincing when they cover up, or explain their behaviour to others, undermining their victims, especially in the family courts, where magistrates tend not to understand the complexity of the issues. Quite possibly this is because the perpetrators genuinely do not think they have done anything wrong.
Again, not saying anything about Salmond and guilt and innocence, but I know a LOT of women who have experienced sexual assaults of one kind or another and have never reported it to anyone, because they are too frightened of being publicly shamed and/or don't think anyone will believe them, or don't think anything will happen, or don't want to have to re-live it. Me included, btw.
1. Even in lockdown people will be allowed to shop. Indeed in Spain its one of the only reasons to be allowed out. We will see a lot of people shopping a lot in lockdown
2. There is not as yet shortage of products in the entire supply chain - we haven't run out of bog rolls. What we have is a supply chain that can move a finite amount of product every night - a relatively inflexible number of pallet footprints available per store per day. Stock may well be in a warehouse somewhere unable to be dropped to stores in sufficient quantities.
3. Morrisons have a nightly high-level logistics meeting discussing what stock goes to where leaving who short. The other multiple grocers will be doing a similar exercise. I can go onto one of their stock systems now and check how much of the lines we produce they have at store and distribution centre level. They can both have stock and be out of stock in some stores simultaneously if the stock isn't uniformly distributed or demand isn't even across all stores.
4. These retailers were set up to operate on an acceptable level of off-sales. As an example Sainsbury's are content with 89% availability from shelf for fresh produce - 11% of all lines can be off-sale and that is ok. Store systems only reorder when stock is really low often with a delivery the following night merched the day after that arrangement. A sudden surge in sales can leave the store out of stock completely for half the week.
5. Fresh produce will undoubtedly become very tight from a stock perspective. You can't keep large buffer stocks in depots on short life stuff, and what buffer they had will already have been sold. Which explains the wholescale shortages in big supermarkets and why my local farm shop is the busiest I have ever seen it.
There will be *some* things to buy. Just won't be what people want. Ironically the closure of restaurants and especially fast food will be a run on stuff like frozen pizza and ready meals. I used to work for one of the major ready meal manufacturers, their big problem is available labour, and thats at the best of times...