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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    With talk of "unlimited" Quantatitive Easing what's to stop the government from effectively purchasing all its past bonds and thus effectively eliminating the national debt?

    In theory inflation. (It's called monetisation of debt).
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,659
    edited March 2020
    HYUFD said:

    Black Death did come to Europe via rats on merchant ships from Asia though
    And smallpox, measles and flu came to the Native Americans through relatively small numbers of European invaders. Of which Trump’s ancestors (albeit the damage had been done by the time they arrived in his specific case) can be numbered.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,168
    edited March 2020
    From the Graduaidan....

    A reader has been in touch to say he has just had an email from the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency saying that MOT tests are still going ahead, even though the government is trying to minimise social contact and coronavirus transmission risks.
  • MyBurningEarsMyBurningEars Posts: 3,651

    I still remember the “Don’t Die of Ignorance” tombstone ads.
    Interesting debate how much govt should try to scare people right now. If I'm allowed a repost:

    There's a famous piece in Health Affairs by George M. Gray and David P. Ropeik (both from the Center for Risk Analysis at Harvard's School of Public Health) called "Dealing With The Dangers Of Fear: The Role Of Risk Communication".

    ABSTRACT
    Among the many lessons of the homeland terrorist attacks of 2001 was that fear has powerful public health implications. People chose to drive instead of flying, thereby raising their risk of injury or death. Thousands took broad-spectrum antibiotics to prevent possible anthrax infections, thereby accelerating antimicrobial resistance. Such potentially harmful actions were taken by people seeking a sense of safety because they were afraid. This essay argues for greater emphasis on risk communication to help people keep their fears in perspective. Effective communication, not only through what the government says but implicit in the actions it takes, empowers people to make wiser choices in their own lives, and to support wise choices by society in applying limited resources to maximize public and environmental health.


    It's very thought-provoking and deserves a thorough read, even if you disagree with their conclusions. I think health wonks might find they part company with Gray and Ropeik's prescription on the following point, or at least find it harder to follow:

    SET HONEST GOALS.
    Another paradigm shift is about measuring success. Honest goals must be set. Most risk communication fails because it tells people only what the communicators want them to know, to get them to behave “rationally”—that is, the way the communicator wants them to behave. This is the “brainwashing” model that Sheila Jasanoff and others have fairly criticized. 29 We believe that risk communication is more likely to succeed if it sets the more realistic goal of helping people understand the facts, in ways that are relevant to their own lives, feelings, and values, so they are empowered to put the risk in perspective and make more informed choices. Both approaches seek to inform, to educate, and to motivate changes in behavior. But the first is overtly manipulative and less likely to be trusted, while the second acknowledges and respects the reality that people’s reactions to risk are not always rational and presents the information in terms relevant to what they are feeling.

    Such change will not come easily to some agencies. It means letting go of control (“We’ll tell them what we want to tell them and make them think what we want them to think”) and relying on trustworthiness rather than manipulation to achieve success. It will take a courageous manager to recognize the long-run value of giving up control in the short term.


    Please please read the whole thing, I know I post a lot of links on here but since "government comms strategy" seems to be a recurring theme on PB atm this article deserves reading several times over!!
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RobD said:

    I thought it came from rats on various trade routes.
    I think the rats helped spread it, but I believe the Mongols brought it with them originally (and they even weaponised it too).
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Can we all agree to stop posting Dan Hodges tweets.

    https://twitter.com/samisam147/status/1241844687960506368?s=19

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    HYUFD said:

    Black Death did come to Europe via rats on merchant ships from Asia though
    It's like you have a compulsion to defend Fascists.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    DavidL said:

    In theory nothing. QE is the Pandora's box that was first prized open in 2008. Another generation of politicians are learning the almost certainly false lesson that it is a relatively painless way of resolving an extremely difficult issue. Good luck ever getting it closed again now.
    Well hardly a surprise given the low inflation era we're in.

    Borrowing was the Pandora's Box opened a long time ago that many generations of politicians thought was an easy fix to today's problems (while passing the debt to the future) - a generation of politicians finding a way to get rid of that debt was probably inevitable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,168
    edited March 2020
    I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...

    Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues. A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,614
    DougSeal said:

    And smallpox, measles and flu came to the Native Americans through relatively small numbers of European invaders. Of which Trump’s ancestors (albeit the damage had been done by the time they arrived in his specific case) can be numbered.
    Send everyone (including Americans) back to where they came from then, stop all international trade and stop all international travel. Problem solved! OK we might crash the global economy even further but nevermind
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,554

    TBH, I am surprised they are still in business. I am not really sure what they are for these days.

    You can get a pad of paper, a car mag AND a giant Toblerone there. All under one roof.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Unbelievable.

    Not sure in what world anyone would consider WHSmith an essential retailer. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I’ve been into a store in the last decade.
    I bet they have a lot of Easter eggs to shift
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,854
    IanB2 said:

    That, and the associated story in the Independent, refer solely to lifestyle matters - extended families, and collective worship - which in different ways have made the Italians particularly susceptible to transmission also.

    The reference to “racial susceptibility” dropped gratuitously into the end of your OP appears to be an unpleasant speculation all of your own?
    I think it probably true. Asian men have higher rates of diabetes, cardiovascular disease, kidney impairment, and are a very urban population.

    Even a non-observant older Muslim man living alone would be high risk of dying, should they catch it.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,659
    HYUFD said:

    Send everyone (including Americans) back to where they came from then, stop all international trade and stop all international travel. Problem solved! OK we might crash the global economy even further but nevermind
    That’s not QUITE the point I was making...
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836
    HYUFD said:

    If barely any Californians and New Yorkers regularly travel to Indiana, I would say barely any travel to some Trump states like West Virginia and Idaho and North Dakota and those states have very few cases they do not need much herd immunity anyway
    Plenty of New Yorkers travel to DC, and plenty of DCers visit West Virginia.
    Plenty of Californians visit Colorado, and plenty of Coloradans travel to North Dakota and Idaho.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,192

    I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...

    Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues.

    A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.


    Is there a book on the date of the first food riot?

    He asked gloomly.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,103
    DavidL said:

    In theory nothing. QE is the Pandora's box that was first prized open in 2008. Another generation of politicians are learning the almost certainly false lesson that it is a relatively painless way of resolving an extremely difficult issue. Good luck ever getting it closed again now.
    +1
    This ends with serious inflation at some point in the future.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,554
    Stocky said:

    And she`s misspelled "scrote".

    I knew a chap with that surname at uni. Scrote.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,854
    DougSeal said:

    And smallpox, measles and flu came to the Native Americans through relatively small numbers of European invaders. Of which Trump’s ancestors (albeit the damage had been done by the time they arrived in his specific case) can be numbered.
    Yes, but they gave us tobacco and syphilis in return...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,626

    From the Graduaidan....

    A reader has been in touch to say he has just had an email from the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency saying that MOT tests are still going ahead, even though the government is trying to minimise social contact and coronavirus transmission risks.

    Yes, bloody ridiculous. I was checking this today. Suspended for buses and lorries but not private cars.

    Fortunately I have found a local garage who will collect and drop off our car.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    kinabalu said:

    You can get a pad of paper, a car mag AND a giant Toblerone there. All under one roof.
    So an expensive and inconvenient version of Amazon then?
  • BluestBlueBluestBlue Posts: 4,556
    Alistair said:

    Can we all agree to stop posting Dan Hodges tweets.

    https://twitter.com/samisam147/status/1241844687960506368?s=19

    Nope - he's right much more often than he's wrong.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,242
    Wow. Salmond not guilty of all charges.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,616

    Interesting debate how much govt should try to scare people right now. If I'm allowed a repost:

    There's a famous piece in Health Affairs by George M. Gray and David P. Ropeik (both from the Center for Risk Analysis at Harvard's School of Public Health) called "Dealing With The Dangers Of Fear: The Role Of Risk Communication".

    ABSTRACT
    Among the many lessons of the homeland terrorist attacks of 2001 was that fear has powerful public health implications. People chose to drive instead of flying, thereby raising their risk of injury or death. Thousands took broad-spectrum antibiotics to prevent possible anthrax infections, thereby accelerating antimicrobial resistance. Such potentially harmful actions were taken by people seeking a sense of safety because they were afraid. This essay argues for greater emphasis on risk communication to help people keep their fears in perspective. Effective communication, not only through what the government says but implicit in the actions it takes, empowers people to make wiser choices in their own lives, and to support wise choices by society in applying limited resources to maximize public and environmental health.


    It's very thought-provoking and deserves a thorough read, even if you disagree with their conclusions. I think health wonks might find they part company with Gray and Ropeik's prescription on the following point, or at least find it harder to follow:

    SET HONEST GOALS.
    Another paradigm shift is about measuring success. Honest goals must be set. Most risk communication fails because it tells people only what the communicators want them to know, to get them to behave “rationally”—that is, the way the communicator wants them to behave. This is the “brainwashing” model that Sheila Jasanoff and others have fairly criticized. 29 We believe that risk communication is more likely to succeed if it sets the more realistic goal of helping people understand the facts, in ways that are relevant to their own lives, feelings, and values, so they are empowered to put the risk in perspective and make more informed choices. Both approaches seek to inform, to educate, and to motivate changes in behavior. But the first is overtly manipulative and less likely to be trusted, while the second acknowledges and respects the reality that people’s reactions to risk are not always rational and presents the information in terms relevant to what they are feeling.

    Such change will not come easily to some agencies. It means letting go of control (“We’ll tell them what we want to tell them and make them think what we want them to think”) and relying on trustworthiness rather than manipulation to achieve success. It will take a courageous manager to recognize the long-run value of giving up control in the short term.


    Please please read the whole thing, I know I post a lot of links on here but since "government comms strategy" seems to be a recurring theme on PB atm this article deserves reading several times over!!
    This was very interesting thank you - please keep sharing your links.
  • nichomarnichomar Posts: 7,483

    Yes, bloody ridiculous. I was checking this today. Suspended for buses and lorries but not private cars.

    Fortunately I have found a local garage who will collect and drop off our car.
    Spain have suspended ITV (mot) tests and driving licence renewals about a week ago.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,974
    Salmond not guilty.
  • Foxy said:

    That would be an idiotic approach, even for Trump.

    Herd immunity in California or NYC does not protect Indiana, that requires herd immunity locally in Indiana.
    Is there a clear definition of herd immunity?
    When exactly does it set in?
    When the last infectious carrier on planet earth has either died or completely healed?
    Is California ever safe while Indiana still has it, or Montenegro, or Myanmar?
    How long does immunity persist in the individual?
    Can it be inherited?
    Is herd immunity ever a reliable protection?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,242

    I have a sneaking suspicion not all these people work for the NHS...

    Security staff were forced to ask NHS workers for ID before allowing them in to shop first. Scuffles broke out in several queues. A Tesco in Cheshunt, Surrey, was overwhelmed with pushy shoppers after staff stopped checking IDs.


    They should make it a crime to imitate a health or emergency worker for malicious purposes for the duration of this crisis. And this would count as malicious. If instead of just being turned away people were turned over to the police they would soon stop this shit.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    The stock market has gone mental!

    That's some gravy train :smiley:

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,438
    nichomar said:

    I bet they have a lot of Easter eggs to shift
    Didn't. a chain of pet-requisite stores say much the same?

    Have just been out for a breath of fresh air, and while I couldn't go the full distance I planned, due to mud, I saw several very pretty red butterflies and a large bumblebee.
    And two magpies; one for sorrow, two for joy.
    Quite cheered me up
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,614
    DavidL said:

    Salmond not guilty.

    Cue SNP civil war
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,438
    DavidL said:

    Salmond not guilty.

    Those poor women.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,089
    HYUFD said:

    Send everyone (including Americans) back to where they came from then, stop all international trade and stop all international travel. Problem solved! OK we might crash the global economy even further but nevermind
    The vast majority of the world "come" from multiple places if you are going back to the colonisation of America, obviously everyone does if you go back far enough. Do we get chopped into proportional pieces before DHL send us somewhere?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,168
    edited March 2020
    More on the German mortality figures...much better testing in Germany, but....

    The age profile for those who have tested positive in Germany is certainly much lower than in Italy: a median of 46-years-old as opposed to 63 in Italy.

    On the other hand, German hospitals do not routinely test for the presence of coronavirus in patients who are dying or who have died of other diseases. Italy, by contrast, is performing posthumous coronavirus tests on patients whose deaths might otherwise have been attributed to other causes.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-so-much-lower-in-germany-
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,317

    Those poor women.
    He was found not guilty?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,554
    edited March 2020

    With talk of "unlimited" Quantatitive Easing what's to stop the government from effectively purchasing all its past bonds and thus effectively eliminating the national debt?

    It's unlimited in the sense that there is no limit to how far you can run.

    IE - there IS a limit but you can only find out what it is by starting and carrying on until you drop.

    For "you drop" read currency collapse and hyperinflation.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    RobD said:

    He was found not guilty?
    One charge was "not proven".

  • eggegg Posts: 1,749
    HYUFD said:
    He’s a busted flush. This is why we need cooperation.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    RobD said:

    He was found not guilty?
    On all charges.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    tlg86 said:
    Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,438
    RobD said:

    He was found not guilty?
    Not guilty of 12 charges and not proven on one
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    On all charges.
    Not proven on some I believe
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,854

    Is there a clear definition of herd immunity?
    When exactly does it set in?
    When the last infectious carrier on planet earth has either died or completely healed?
    Is California ever safe while Indiana still has it, or Montenegro, or Myanmar?
    How long does immunity persist in the individual?
    Can it be inherited?
    Is herd immunity ever a reliable protection?
    Herd immunity is the level of immunity such that infected individuals infect fewer than 1 further case, so that any outbreaks (for example imported cases) fizzle out. It is not an individual immunity, but a community effect. It relates to the population in question, so that herd immunity in one population cannot protect another.

    It is estimated to be a 60% or more rate of infection for COVID19.
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    More on the German mortality figures...much better testing in Germany, but....

    The age profile for those who have tested positive in Germany is certainly much lower than in Italy: a median of 46-years-old as opposed to 63 in Italy.

    On the other hand, German hospitals do not routinely test for the presence of coronavirus in patients who are dying or who have died of other diseases. Italy, by contrast, is performing posthumous coronavirus tests on patients whose deaths might otherwise have been attributed to other causes.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-so-much-lower-in-germany-

    Germans keep off the grass, Brits don’t
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Prey or pray?
    I think both work in this instance
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    felix said:

    Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
    #metoo is a Westminster thing apparently.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,016
    felix said:

    Interesting - not sure how that will play in Scottish politics right now. No doubt the #metoo crowd will be gutted. But given the state of the world right now it's unlikely to occupy the news pundits for long.
    I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,070
    Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-symptoms-smell-taste.html
    A mother who was infected with the coronavirus couldn’t smell her baby’s full diaper. Cooks who can usually name every spice in a restaurant dish can’t smell curry or garlic, and food tastes bland. Others say they can’t pick up the sweet scent of shampoo or the foul odor of kitty litter.

    Anosmia, the loss of sense of smell, and ageusia, an accompanying diminished sense of taste, have emerged as peculiar telltale signs of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and possible markers of infection.

    On Friday, British ear, nose and throat doctors, citing reports from colleagues around the world, called on adults who lose their senses of smell to isolate themselves for seven days, even if they have no other symptoms, to slow the disease’s spread. The published data is limited, but doctors are concerned enough to raise warnings.

    “We really want to raise awareness that this is a sign of infection and that anyone who develops loss of sense of smell should self-isolate,” Prof. Claire Hopkins, president of the British Rhinological Society, wrote in an email. “It could contribute to slowing transmission and save lives.”

    She and Nirmal Kumar, president of ENT UK, a group representing ear, nose and throat doctors in Britain, issued a joint statement urging health care workers to use personal protective equipment when treating any patients who have lost their senses of smell, and advised against performing nonessential sinus endoscopy procedures on anyone, because the virus replicates in the nose and the throat and an exam can prompt coughs or sneezes that expose the doctor to a high level of virus.

    Two ear, nose and throat specialists in Britain who have been infected with the coronavirus are in critical condition, Dr. Hopkins said. Earlier reports from Wuhan, China, where the coronavirus first emerged, had warned that ear, nose and throat specialists as well as eye doctors were infected and dying in large numbers, Dr. Hopkins said.

    The British physicians cited reports from other countries indicating that significant numbers of coronavirus patients experienced anosmia, saying that in South Korea, where testing has been widespread, 30 percent of 2,000 patients who tested positive experienced anosmia as their major presenting symptom (these were mild cases).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,016
    TGOHF666 said:

    #metoo is a Westminster thing apparently.
    Harry you must be disconsolate, totally and utterly gutted
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,438
    malcolmg said:

    I see my forecast that Salmond was innocent has been vindicated, it was obvious all along.
    Not proven isn't innocent, Malc. Can't see him as white as the driven snow. Or something like that.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Alex Salmonk..

  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    edited March 2020
    malcolmg said:

    Harry you must be disconsolate, totally and utterly gutted
    Yes - turns out all 10 women were not believable...

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 30,522
    Alistair said:

    Can we all agree to stop posting Dan Hodges tweets.

    https://twitter.com/samisam147/status/1241844687960506368?s=19

    If we agree to stop posting all Tweets, I'm in.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,016
    TGOHF666 said:

    One charge was "not proven".

    A fig leaf for you Harry, bet it was the lowest one as well
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    tlg86 said:

    It really ought not to be. If there are multiple women making allegations against an individual it is only right that they are investigated and if deemed appropriate prosecuted. Just because the jury said not guilty/not proven doesn't mean that it was wrong that the cases were brought to trial.
    Investigated, yes. But brought to trial, only if the police believe him to be guilty and believe they can prove it at a trial. Cases aren't (or shouldn't be) brought to trial speculatively.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,974
    On the positive side Scotland may develop a booming film industry on the back of this.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,272
    edited March 2020
    Foxy - i`m bought a finger pulse oximeter.

    Would you mind giving me a brief rundown of what SPo2, PR and Perfusion index mean and the danger levels I need to look out for if I or my family catch the virus?
  • 'Unlimited' always makes me think of Davros and rice pudding.

    +11 sci-fi points to anyone who gets the reference.

    Dr Who, Remembrance of the Daleks. The rather cringey speech McCoy gives to Davros towards the end of part 4. It's a decent story though.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,438
    edited March 2020
    TGOHF666 said:

    Yes - turns out all 10 women were .........

    I wouldn't repeat that if I were you; you'll get into bother, and so might OGH.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,146
    TGOHF666 said:

    Yes - turns out all 10 women were harlots and liars.

    I knew it was a majority of women on the jury but I didn't think it was ten.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    malcolmg said:

    A fig leaf for you Harry, bet it was the lowest one as well
    Would you send your daughter/niece to work alone in his office malc ?

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,505

    Investigated, yes. But brought to trial, only if the police believe him to be guilty and believe they can prove it at a trial. Cases aren't (or shouldn't be) brought to trial speculatively.
    Well, it's very difficult to prove that the authorities didn't think they'd get a conviction. Ultimately in a case link this it is one person's word against another. In this case there were a number of people making similar allegations against the defendant, so I'm struggling to see why that shouldn't have come to trial.
  • Gabs3Gabs3 Posts: 836

    I wouldn't repeat that if I were you; you'll get into bother, and so might OGH.
    Also one case was "not proven".
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,016

    Those poor women.
    More like poor Salmond, just lucky the stitch up did not see him in jail, if you look at the supposed evidence and fact defence did not question one of Salmond's witnesses who ripped a hole in all the accusations it is shocking how it ever got to court.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 764

    Their testimony was quite harrowing in parts - and not to have been believed will be very difficult.

    However, Salmond is innocent and that's the end of it.
    I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281

    Not proven isn't innocent, Malc. Can't see him as white as the driven snow. Or something like that.
    Wiki:

    not proven is interpreted as indicating that the jury or judge, respectively, is not convinced of the innocence of the accused; in fact, they may be morally convinced that the accused is guilty, but do not find the proofs sufficient for a conviction. One reason for this is the rule that in such cases the evidence for the prosecution must be corroborated in order to permit a conviction. Thus, there might be a single plaintiff or witness for the prosecution, which the jury or judge believes is both truthful and trustworthy, but no other witness or circumstances against the accused. By Scottish law, the accused then should be acquitted, but often will be so by the verdict not proven.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven
  • eggegg Posts: 1,749

    They should make it a crime to imitate a health or emergency worker for malicious purposes for the duration of this crisis. And this would count as malicious. If instead of just being turned away people were turned over to the police they would soon stop this shit.
    To be fair, is it to some degree communication issue, these people turned up not knowing it was select group happy hour, or one of the oldie GoldenHour? So they are not all selfish greedy bastards?

    Alternativly, have they been brainwashed from birth? So they are there because although they have something to eat today, they want something else. That they don’t like not getting what they want. They are are pissed off when they see someone else getting what they wanted is how they have been conditioned from birth and through out socialisation as norm of their society?


    https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/7/74/104087/Crusader-Kings-3-0.jpg


  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,626

    Dr Who, Remembrance of the Daleks. The rather cringey speech McCoy gives to Davros towards the end of part 4. It's a decent story though.
    I thought Dr McCoy was in Star Trek?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,554
    edited March 2020
    Charles said:

    So an expensive and inconvenient version of Amazon then?

    But Smiths does what it does more wholeheartedly than anybody.

    It is gloriously expensive and it is massively inconvenient. The staff tend to be slow or not there, therefore your desired transaction will take a long long time. And no cheery chat either. They are clipped and sour.

    There's no half measures. It's quite the experience. Integral part of the High St and would be a great loss.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,016
    tlg86 said:

    It really ought not to be. If there are multiple women making allegations against an individual it is only right that they are investigated and if deemed appropriate prosecuted. Just because the jury said not guilty/not proven doesn't mean that it was wrong that the cases were brought to trial.
    Fact that they were in Whatsapp groups together to discuss stories, all high up in SNP etc, it was very obvious what was going on.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    malcolmg said:

    Fact that they were in Whatsapp groups together to discuss stories, all high up in SNP etc, it was very obvious what was going on.
    Whatsapp eh ? Well then I've changed my mind.

  • I thought Dr McCoy was in Star Trek?
    Yes, this Dr McCoy was our Sylvester. Better known for the Ken Campbell Roadshow. Now that's going back to when I was a teen.
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,960
    HYUFD said:

    Send everyone (including Americans) back to where they came from then, stop all international trade and stop all international travel. Problem solved! OK we might crash the global economy even further but nevermind
    Wasn´t that the Brexit project?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,400
    Mr. Kinsella, aye, part of the Limited Edition 30th Anniversary Tin set.

    It was rather good.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Alistair said:

    Can we all agree to stop posting Dan Hodges tweets.

    https://twitter.com/samisam147/status/1241844687960506368?s=19

    He's right. We are nothing like two weeks behind Italy. Hence why people are now spouting BS like three weeks behind Italy. Italy's momentum two weeks ago was worse than ours now so the comparison is weak and void.
  • I hope for Alex Salmond that his sweeping acquittal will be the thing that people remember, and not the allegations which have been disposed of.
  • ABZABZ Posts: 441
    Jonathan said:

    Is the food stuff getting worse, not better? I have to wonder if it is all truly self inflicted panic or whether there are actual underlying problems with food supply. It would make sense.

    Perhaps in London? Outside from talking to friends / family (and also from people here) it seems less chaotic today.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,505
    malcolmg said:

    Fact that they were in Whatsapp groups together to discuss stories, all high up in SNP etc, it was very obvious what was going on.
    Well, if what your alleging is the case, there will be further legal action to come.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,626

    Yes, this Dr McCoy was our Sylvester. Better known for the Ken Campbell Roadshow. Now that's going back to when I was a teen.
    It is reassuring that at least 1 PBer believes that I don't know anything about Dr Who!
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    He's right. We are nothing like two weeks behind Italy. Hence why people are now spouting BS like three weeks behind Italy. Italy's momentum two weeks ago was worse than ours now so the comparison is weak and void.
    Whether or not we're two weeks behind Italy, his last tweet in that chain makes it very clear he's not just disagreeing with the concept, he actually doesn't understand it. He thinks that the fact that people having been saying "we're two weeks behind Italy" for several days running is inconsistent because shouldn't we be closer to catching up with them by now
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    malcolmg said:

    A fig leaf for you Harry, bet it was the lowest one as well
    Not quite:

    https://twitter.com/BBCPhilipSim/status/1242102672213381124?s=20
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,103

    More on the German mortality figures...much better testing in Germany, but....

    The age profile for those who have tested positive in Germany is certainly much lower than in Italy: a median of 46-years-old as opposed to 63 in Italy.

    On the other hand, German hospitals do not routinely test for the presence of coronavirus in patients who are dying or who have died of other diseases. Italy, by contrast, is performing posthumous coronavirus tests on patients whose deaths might otherwise have been attributed to other causes.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-is-the-coronavirus-mortality-rate-so-much-lower-in-germany-

    I'm sorry, but those are numbers are incorrect. @HYUFD has assured us that the Italians who got CV-19 were young.
  • TGOHF666TGOHF666 Posts: 2,052
    Any SNP next leader markets ?

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,554

    Whether or not we're two weeks behind Italy, his last tweet in that chain makes it very clear he's not just disagreeing with the concept, he actually doesn't understand it. He thinks that the fact that people having been saying "we're two weeks behind Italy" for several days running is inconsistent because shouldn't we be closer to catching up with them by now

    It is on the face of it compelling evidence of a lack of intelligence. Who would have guessed?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Monkeys said:

    I'm in no way commenting on the outcome of the case but no-one is ever "found innocent." You're just Not found Guilty. Say, hypothetically, OJ Simpson HAD murdered his wife, but had been found Not Guilty in court, he would still be guilty of murdering his wife. It could just have been that corroboration was difficult, which it is for some crimes.
    Surely that's wrong. You are innocent and remain innocent until found otherwise.

    Salmond entered and left the court an innocent man.

    (Separately I think the "not proven" verdict highly unsatisfactory - either there was enough evidence to convict, or there wasn't - if there wasn't then "not guilty" is the appropriate verdict. "Not proven" just leaves plenty of ammunition for the "no smoke without fire" crew)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 126,614
    edited March 2020
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm sorry, but those are numbers are incorrect. @HYUFD has assured us that the Italians who got CV-19 were young.
    If Italy is doing tests on those whose deaths might be attributable to other causes, yes their median age of catching Covid 19 will be recorded as higher.
    You are more likely to die of Covid related disease if you are older, you are not any more likely to catch Covid 19 if you are older without precautions than if you are younger
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,307
    I wonder how Peter Cook would have reacted today?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kyos-M48B8U
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Whether or not we're two weeks behind Italy, his last tweet in that chain makes it very clear he's not just disagreeing with the concept, he actually doesn't understand it. He thinks that the fact that people having been saying "we're two weeks behind Italy" for several days running is inconsistent because shouldn't we be closer to catching up with them by now
    A broken clock can be right twice a day. Hodges is a Muppet but it doesn't make him wrong.
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